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Islamic history month?

posted at 6:45 pm on October 3, 2007 by Bryan
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Well, they’ve already added Ramadan to the list of official holidays to be commemorated at an Illinois school, and over the objections of parents at that. Schools are banning Halloween and calling Christmas “Winter Festival.” Two Canadian cities have added “Islamic history month” to their calendars at the behest of an Islamic grievance group similar to CAIR.

The Canadian Islamic Congress (CIC) has been bombarding journalists and local politicians with press releases urging that October be proclaimed “Islamic History Month.” The cities of Victoria and Kingston have duly complied, in the same crowd-pleasing spirit that has inspired the U.S. Congress to proclaim the last week in May “National Pickle Week.”

As organizations go, the Canadian Islamic Congress is at once ludicrous and worrisome. When it is not trying to silence journalists, it is condoning militant Islamists. But just as a stopped clock is right twice a day, this time the CIC has got hold of an interesting idea.

That’s the admirable David Frum writing, and he goes on to put a twist on the idea that sounds good.

We in the West do need better understanding of Islamic history and culture. For almost three-quarters of a millennium, from the early 700s until the middle 1400s, the Muslim Middle East excelled Christian Europe in science, technology and culture. Famines and plagues occurred less often in the Middle East than in Europe; and writers and thinkers enjoyed greater liberty.

After the Middle East fell into relative decline, Islam spread through Africa and Asia largely by peaceful conversion, because it offered people a more consoling and convincing belief system than they had known before.

The joyless, obscurantist, intolerant, authoritarian and often violent Islam in the ascendant today is not Islam’s only form. Islam has been other, better, things in the past. Wider understanding of Islam’s progressive past may help to create a more progressive future. When you reach a dead end, the best thing to do is retrace your steps, and return to the point at which you made your wrong turn.

If that’s what is meant by the study of Islamic history, yes, let’s have a month of it.

And I would be on board myself, if that’s what Islamic history month amounted to.

But we all know that that’s not how Islamic history month will work out. Our politicians lack the backbone to make it work like that, even if it started out with that intent. A lot of stuff would creep in, and a lot of stuff would get tossed out.

In: Tales of Mohammed’s magnanimity.
Out: Tales of Mohammed’s warlording ways.

In: Fallacious tales equating Christianity and Islam.
Out: Any real discussion of the actual differences between the two founders and the faiths they promoted.

In: Discussions of various suras stipulating that there is no compulsion in Islam.
Out: The Ten Commandments.

In: “Jihad is an inner struggle.”
Out: Tell that to these guys.

In: The Crusades as Christian imperialism.
Out: The Crusades as Islamic imperialism, which is actually what the Crusades were.

In: The conquest of Andalusia.
Out: The Reconquista of Spain.

Etc etc. I’m sure you can come up with a few of your own.

That’s how Islamic history month would go — it would become a month-long celebration without any discussion allowed of the, um, downsides. So I’m going to go out on a limb here and step out against Islamic history month.


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In: Arabic discovery of the zero
out: they stole it

in: any Islamic “inventions”
out” they stole those too.

bbz123 on October 3, 2007 at 6:50 PM

We in the West do need better understanding of Islamic history and culture.

Screw you bub … I have all the understanding I need. We’re going in the damn wrong direction. Islam and the west do not mix, no matter what anyone says. We need to be getting islam out of our culture and country, not inviting more in. This is just insanity.

Sheep … a nation of sheep being led by the nose to the slaughter. Years from now people will be saying “Why didn’t we stop it when we had a chance?”

darwin on October 3, 2007 at 6:52 PM

In: militants
Out: terrorists

Entelechy on October 3, 2007 at 6:53 PM

this reeks of sharia.

crr6 on October 3, 2007 at 6:54 PM

“After the Middle East fell into relative decline, Islam spread through Africa and Asia largely by peaceful conversion, because it offered people a more consoling and convincing belief system than they had known before.”

Yes … the offer of death or conversion has been known to be convincing and consoling.

Idiot.

darwin on October 3, 2007 at 6:55 PM

In: Burkas
Out: Sunscreen

Limerick on October 3, 2007 at 6:56 PM

in: islamic histroy month

out: christmas, thanksgiving and easter

offroadaz on October 3, 2007 at 6:58 PM

De-demonizing a demon is hard work.

Islam is cotton candy and fuzzy puppies and scintillating rainbows and flapping ribbons and laughing children and the tinkling of little bells and happy family picnics and chaste young girls and beheaded infidels (oops!…) and, of course, peace.

Or else…

profitsbeard on October 3, 2007 at 6:59 PM

When will the world stop giving legitimacy to a death cult?

What in the world has ever come from islam that is good?

darwin on October 3, 2007 at 6:59 PM

I can’t believe Bryan is being such a racist Islamophobe!

p0s3r on October 3, 2007 at 6:59 PM

If that Illinois school was forced to allow Ramadan celebrations, perhaps the Canadians would allow Christian, Jewish and Buhdist history months after starting Islamic history month?

No freakin’ way : (

gmoonster on October 3, 2007 at 7:00 PM

In:Primacord
Out:swords

doriangrey on October 3, 2007 at 7:01 PM

Last I looked, Christmas is an official National Holiday.

Could not find “WinterFest”, “SnowWeek”, “FallingLeavesFest,”
nor Ramadan.

Creeping Galloping Sharia.
There. I fixed it.

fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 7:01 PM

In: ULULULULULU
Out: Civility

RushBaby on October 3, 2007 at 7:04 PM

Good post, Bryan. I have yearnings, but I’m with you. They would not allow any real history to be told. No truthful biography of Muhammad. I’m tired. I spent the day arguing Oak Lawn with leftists and Muslims.

Maybe when Robert is done blogging the Qur’an, we can ask him to do a series on the history of Islam.

Connie on October 3, 2007 at 7:05 PM

p0s3r-

I can’t believe Bryan is being such a racist Islamophobe.

He’s just angling for the new iPhobe.

To get the jump on AP’s iPhone.

profitsbeard on October 3, 2007 at 7:07 PM

Maybe when Robert is done blogging the Qur’an, we can ask him to do a series on the history of Islam.

Here it is … destroy, kill, rape, conquer, pillage and convert in the name of allah … get ass kicked, regroup over years, then do it all over until you win.

darwin on October 3, 2007 at 7:07 PM

And I would be on board myself, if that’s what Islamic history month amounted to.

Bryan,

I’m afraid Frum’s article is revisionist history in the extreme. Islamic society excelled because of the dhimmis. By 1400, they had all died out or converted such that they were an insignificant portion of the population. Frum should know that. It spread into Africa by the sword and slavery as well. “Kafir” and “black” are almost synonymous terms in Arabic.

PRCalDude on October 3, 2007 at 7:07 PM

In: Arabic discovery of the zero
out: they stole it

in: any Islamic “inventions”
out” they stole those too.

bbz123 on October 3, 2007 at 6:50 PM

Saw “The Story of One” on PBS a few months ago. It explained that “Arabic” numerals were copied from India, where they had been invented many centuries before religiously-condoned rape and pillage became widespread.

I am shocked that PBS allowed the secret out.

Now where is the campaign in our education system to correct this egregious historical myth?

Waiting. Starting to turn blue. Still wait ..

fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 7:08 PM

I suspect that should Islamic history month celebration move from Canada to the US, then the choice of month will change since October holds anniversaries of both the Beirut bombing in 1983 and the USS Cole attack in 2000.

rw on October 3, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Bring back Pope Urban II !!!

MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Ahh, think of the activities for the school children. They can pretend to stone a homosexual. We can show them all of the snuff films the Jihadis have made. Maybe organize a field trip to Mecca. Sure, all of the non Muslims kiddies will be executed, but they’ll die enlightened.

trubble on October 3, 2007 at 7:10 PM

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
- Pope Urban II

MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 7:12 PM

MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 7:12 PM

Who are you and what have you done with MB4?

RushBaby on October 3, 2007 at 7:22 PM

In: Burkas
Out: Sunscreen

Limerick on October 3, 2007 at 6:56 PM

I didn’t expect to laugh in this thread! Thanks:)

Spirit of 1776 on October 3, 2007 at 7:24 PM

So I’m going to go out on a limb here and step out against Islamic history month.

Moral authority on getting effed over in America belongs to Blacks. When we (the Black community) get over our own BS, no other group will have a race/faith card to play. If ever the Black community said “Black History Month, we can live without that,” Islamic history month will never, ever stand a prayer of being accepted.

Theworldisnotenough on October 3, 2007 at 7:25 PM

I bet if Timothy McVeigh converted to Islam and flown a plane into the Murrah Federal Building instead of just blowing it up, he’d have his own national holiday by now.
.

GT on October 3, 2007 at 7:26 PM

In:Primacord
Out:swords

doriangrey on October 3, 2007 at 7:01 PM

BWAHAHA!!

Theworldisnotenough on October 3, 2007 at 7:26 PM

We in the West do need better understanding of Islamic history

Hey that’s great! Let’s just veil and then validate Sharia law with a declaration western society can feel all fuzzy about.
What could go wrong?

Speakup on October 3, 2007 at 7:29 PM

For almost three-quarters of a millennium, from the early 700s until the middle 1400s, the Muslim Middle East excelled Christian Europe in science, technology and culture.

We caught up and passed them. Their minds have stood still and still live in the 1400s. Is it going to be an ancient history month?

In: laser guided precision bombs.
Out: gunpowder cannons shooting rocks

Tennessee Dave on October 3, 2007 at 7:31 PM

In: Smelly, festering foot baths on every corner.
Out: Bacon, sausage and barbecued ribs.

How does anyone live without bacon, sausage and barbecued ribs?

RedWinged Blackbird on October 3, 2007 at 7:31 PM

How does anyone live without bacon, sausage and barbecued ribs?

RedWinged Blackbird on October 3, 2007 at 7:31 PM

Heh heh heh and you wonder why they hate us so much…

doriangrey on October 3, 2007 at 7:35 PM

I think home schooling just got a huge boost.

jeanie on October 3, 2007 at 7:35 PM

“Islamic History Month” – and how many converts will they win during this month? What in the world has happened? Why were Islam and Muslims so very very quiet before 9/11, and now the grievances of Muslims wanting their faith to be included is so loudly evident everywhere? Why did I never, ever see a “hijab” in my town before 9/11, and now I see them everywhere, INCLUDING at my all-female health club where it must be hot and difficult to work out in those things, which I understood were to be worn as “protection” against MEN not other women? Is it now required to wear these as “protection” against non-moose-lims? Whey are they suddenly and loudly everywhere, demanding special recognition?

reine.de.tout on October 3, 2007 at 7:36 PM

by the way, I purchased and will proudly wear to my health club the “I Will Not Submit” hoodie, and I just dare, dare anyone to confront me about it. That is my statement about my own decisions, nothing more and it should not be offensive to anyone. Let’s see what happens.

reine.de.tout on October 3, 2007 at 7:38 PM

Creeping BS.

infidel4life on October 3, 2007 at 7:39 PM

Another take on this story – no subscription needed:

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_271104049.html

I bet if Timothy McVeigh converted to Islam and flown a plane into the Murrah Federal Building instead of just blowing it up, he’d have his own national holiday by now.
GT on October 3, 2007 at 7:26 PM

He may have done almost that! Have you read “The Third Terrorist”? See: http://www.jaynadavis.com/

fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 7:40 PM

Now hold on. We don’t want to keep spitting on them do we? Like Tanc?

JWS on October 3, 2007 at 7:41 PM

Islamic History Month? What do Muslims have to be proud about? Suicide bombings? Cutting off people’s heads? Stoning women? Hanging gay people? Cutting the hands off shoplifters?

SoulGlo on October 3, 2007 at 7:49 PM

In: Fanciful Stories of Muhammad’s greatness
Out: Basically Any verse in the Quran.

BKennedy on October 3, 2007 at 7:49 PM

Out: Bacon, sausage and barbecued ribs.

How does anyone live without bacon, sausage and barbecued ribs?

RedWinged Blackbird on October 3, 2007 at 7:31 PM

Out: the Freedom to eat bacon, sausage and barbecued ribs.

And hell, there are priorities!
Cows, chickens and pigs would all have and idyllic life save for one teency problem…they’re tasty.

Speakup on October 3, 2007 at 7:53 PM

Seems to me if it would be wise, per Hot Air, to have our government recognize ramabomb, it would be doubly so to have islamic history month. What harm could it cause? Think of the hearts and minds we’ll win…

JWS on October 3, 2007 at 7:53 PM

Dorian, who gives a flying f why they hate us. They need to learn the lesson many have learned. The wrath of the American people, when wronged can be awesome to behold. Ask the Japanese.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on October 3, 2007 at 7:53 PM

Who are you and what have you done with MB4?

RushBaby on October 3, 2007 at 7:22 PM

We have assimilated him.
You are next
We are the Borg.

MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 7:55 PM

Here is the History of Islam:

Rape
Pillage
Opress
Murder

Next.

americaslaststand on October 3, 2007 at 7:56 PM

I’m against Islamic History Month because it will inevitably be loaded with revisionist history. Even the little blurb block-quoted is loaded with tell-tale signs.

At one time, the “islamic world” was richer and more technologically advanced than Europe. The question to consider is if this was because of Islam. Most people assume that ot be the case, but I don’t.

Islamic empire(s) were expanding and gobbling up innovations and wealth from those cultures they dominated. Self-loathing western scholars who fawn all over how “advanced” various Islamic rulers and empires were are the same ones who heap scorn upon Roman and British “Imperialism”.

I made the mistake of watching a BBC/PBS program about the history of numbers and math the other day. While grudgingly giving India credit for coming up with the concept of zero, the show unbelievably portrayed Rome as using numbers for little more than counting war dead along with their stolen money, while much more “enlightened” rulers like Al Hakim, advanced science and trade. No mention made of his habit of smashing churches.

forest on October 3, 2007 at 7:56 PM

Question: When a Muslim uses a public foot bath, what does he do with his smelly socks?

RedWinged Blackbird on October 3, 2007 at 8:00 PM

The Turks were setting their clocks and watches by the sun rising at the turn of the last century. Yep, those Muslim fella’s were some smart. The Cannuks should try that during Muslim month to celebrate their genius.

Hening on October 3, 2007 at 8:03 PM

I do hope that Islamic history month will include some of the great Islamic advancements in science, including the ones that Mohammad himself contributed.

Bukhari:V9B87N115 “If you spit on the left side of your bed the bad dream will not harm you.”

hari:V7B71N590 “The climate of Medina did not suit some people so the Prophet ordered them to drink camel urine as a medicine.”

Bukhari:V2B21N245 “A person slept in and missed the morning prayer. So the Prophet said, ‘Satan urinated in his ears.’”

Bukhari:V4B54N516 “The Prophet said, ‘If anyone rouses from sleep and performs ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blow it out thrice because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.’”

That is only a small sample of Islamic science. Where would we be without these great advancements?

MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 8:20 PM

Only ONE month? Islamic Rage Boy demands their heads!

Dork B. on October 3, 2007 at 8:22 PM

Bryan, I posted the Islamic History Month link at the Chicago Tribune blog where I’ve been most of the day. (I thought it would thrill Khad). If anyone wants to help out there, please feel free. I’m exhausted.

The link is the same one Bryan posted above.

Connie on October 3, 2007 at 8:22 PM

Only ONE month? Islamic Rage Boy demands their heads!

Dork B. on October 3, 2007 at 8:22 PM

Islamic Rage Boy demands Dork B.’s head

MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 8:28 PM

Who are you and what have you done with MB4?

RushBaby on October 3, 2007 at 7:22 PM

We have assimilated him.
You are next
We are the Borg.

MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 7:55 PM

Oh my gosh!!!! That had me rolling!

j_ehman on October 3, 2007 at 8:28 PM

Wouldn’t it be more appealing as:
The Mohammed Minute?
Rape, pillage, plunder, behead, repeat.

There. Islamic history. done. No mo’ need for a month.

CrimsonFisted on October 3, 2007 at 8:30 PM

Creeping.

Creepingly Creepy.

Lawrence on October 3, 2007 at 8:33 PM

I prefer Islamic Action Week:

Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays: Kill Muslims of other tribes/denominations (Sunni, Shiite, Sufi, etc.)

Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays: Cooperate with Muslims of other tribes and denominations in the killing of non-Muslims

Sundays: Go home and butcher own people

Lancer on October 3, 2007 at 8:48 PM

In: Hummus
Out: Beer and Pork Rinds

Kini on October 3, 2007 at 9:00 PM

(Anticipating the MKH video coming up in a few minutes) I’ll bet she could shoot a wild boar, field dress it, butcher it, cook it, eat it… and look great through the entire process.

RedWinged Blackbird on October 3, 2007 at 9:05 PM

Where are those Lost Without ACLUe and the Freedom From Religion Gestapo over the celebration of Ramalamadingdong in gummint-run skoolz? Oh yeah, that’s right. It’s only Christians and their holidays that they hate. For the Religion of Piece (of Arm, of Leg, of Torso), it’s OK. It’s called tolerance.

Tell ya what, “tolerance” is going to get millions of people killed one day and maybe cause the end of the U.S. as we know it.

pdigaudio on October 3, 2007 at 9:50 PM

We in the West do need better understanding of Islamic history and culture. For almost three-quarters of a millennium, from the early 700s until the middle 1400s, the Muslim Middle East excelled Christian Europe in science, technology and culture. Famines and plagues occurred less often in the Middle East than in Europe; and writers and thinkers enjoyed greater liberty.

After the Middle East fell into relative decline, Islam spread through Africa and Asia largely by peaceful conversion, because it offered people a more consoling and convincing belief system than they had known before.
–David Frum

What Frum has to say here has no factual basis whatsoever. It’s merely a fantasy of Islamic studies departments. I suggest reading Robert Spencer’s Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam to get the truth about this era of Islamic history.

(My last tete-a-tete argument over this issue was with a Polish Ph.D. candidate in Islamic studies. He totally embraced every Islamic fundy political line and turned around and denounced the Polish government for being theocratic. Judge him yourself. You don’t even need a high school diploma to consider the logic of his position.)

thuja on October 3, 2007 at 9:53 PM

In: Discussions of various suras stipulating that there is no compulsion in Islam.
Out: The Ten Commandments.

.
WAIT! Who started early, dammit?

shooter on October 3, 2007 at 10:21 PM

From Front Page Magazine: The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth by Dr. Serge Trifkovic.

The problem with turning this list of intellectual achievements into a convincing “Islamic” golden age is that whatever flourished, did so not by reason of Islam but in spite of Islam. Moslems overran societies (Persian, Greek, Egyptian, Byzantine, Syrian, Jewish) that possessed intellectual sophistication in their own right and failed to completely destroy their cultures. To give it the credit for what the remnants of these cultures achieved is like crediting the Red Army for the survival of Chopin in Warsaw in 1970! Islam per se never encouraged science, in the sense of disinterested enquiry, because the only knowledge it accepts is religious knowledge.

As Bernard Lewis explains in his book What Went Wrong? the Moslem Empire inherited “the knowledge and skills of the ancient Middle east, of Greece and of Persia, it added to them new and important innovations from outside, such as the manufacture of paper from China and decimal positional numbering from India.” The decimal numbers were thus transmitted to the West, where they are still mistakenly known as “Arabic” numbers, honoring not their inventors but their transmitters.

INC on October 3, 2007 at 10:22 PM

From Dhimmi Watch: Irshad Manji and Islamic history by Robert Spencer.

The first Arabic-language medical treatise was written by a Christian priest and translated into Arabic by a Jewish doctor in 683. The first hospital, another source of pride among Muslims and often a prominent feature of Islamic accomplishment lists, was founded in Baghdad during the Abbasid caliphate by a Nestorian Christian. A pioneering medical school was founded at Gundeshapur in Persia — by Assyrian Christians. The world’s first university may not have been the Muslims’ Al-Azhar in Cairo, as is often claimed, but the Assyrian School of Nisibis.

INC on October 3, 2007 at 10:26 PM

INC on October 3, 2007 at 10:22 PM
INC on October 3, 2007 at 10:26 PM

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Well what’dya expect? They stole (made up) their own damn religion. Mo bought books not chosen or cleared for the bible, found a convenient ‘heir loom family tree’ in Abrahams illegitimate son and then twisted the Tora and the Bible into having a brand new cult. A third ‘religion’ with a flying horse/donkey/crow/ass kinda thing that flew him to the Temple Mount one night ( first LSD trip) and then he made it up as he went….Anyone didn’t like it?.. he killed ‘em. That worked well enough for mo, so he submitted that ‘encouragement’ into his cult, called it allah.
Hence the koran, the recited version of a bad trip. Hell no one even wrote anything down for decades ( probably still a crime to rape 6 year olds back then, no reason to document his entire evilness).
True story.

shooter on October 3, 2007 at 10:42 PM

shooter, good connection. I should have seen it.

INC on October 3, 2007 at 10:48 PM

Perhaps Muslims could join in the celebration of National Pork Month.

“It’s National Pork Month and Famous Dave’s of Bellevue is recognizing the quirky awareness month this October by encouraging locals to celebrate pork while recognizing the importance of mealtime with the family.”

MrC_5150 on October 3, 2007 at 11:02 PM

And let Oct. 31st end the month of celebration with the big
Trick or Treat

spike on October 4, 2007 at 12:30 AM

Interesting political angle that in Canada, their Thanksgiving holiday falls in October.

RD on October 4, 2007 at 1:07 AM

How does anyone live without bacon, sausage and barbecued ribs?

RedWinged Blackbird on October 3, 2007 at 7:31 PM

One might survive without the mentioned trilogy, but it wouldn’t be anything I would call living.

soundingboard on October 4, 2007 at 1:56 AM

out…God Bless You
In…Peace Be Upon HiM

soundingboard on October 4, 2007 at 1:57 AM

1AM

In…Red Eye
Out…(for 1 hour) HA.

Why do I feel guilty?

soundingboard on October 4, 2007 at 1:59 AM

I can’t wait until I have to take my 2nd grader to Michael’s Crafts Store to but styrofoam and balsa wood and little model jetliners to build that diorama of the World Trade Center being decimated.

Captain Scarlet on October 4, 2007 at 3:29 AM

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