Video: Bar flies Mexican flag above American flag — until vet takes “direct action”
posted at 11:35 pm on October 2, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Traffic’s collapsed. The big A’s hopped up on Vicodin. The dream of the iPhone is farther away than ever. There’s nothing left to do except scrape together the reddest meat I can find and toss it to you guys like chum off the boat.
So open that yapper. Because this meat’s so red, it’s still twitching. Click the image to watch.
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mojojojo on October 3, 2007 at 2:48 AM
I’ve got Firefox on Windows. I’ll try IE.
MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 2:54 AM
Been putting off those dreaded periodic updates, huh??
fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 2:55 AM
Of course I do, count on that. I was just ribbing you. See Tancredo thread.
Entelechy on October 3, 2007 at 2:57 AM
Been putting off those dreaded periodic updates, huh??
fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 2:55 AM
I’m in mainframe IT, semi-retired now, so the last thing I want to do is computer stuff at home!
MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 3:00 AM
Ditto. Semi-retired myself. Now teaching instrument flying after starting in computer field in 1965 - Surveyor project.
Have a great evening guys and gals - remember to check http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
Wednesday for Reno news.
fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 3:09 AM
He plays us like a Stradivarius.
see-dubya on October 3, 2007 at 3:10 AM
Call it the Vicohadeen.
Bad Candy on October 3, 2007 at 12:43 AM
soundingboard on October 3, 2007 at 3:11 AM
Well done, soldier.
Flag laws aren’t completely consistent from state to state, but the federal mandates are that no other country’s flag is to fly above Old Glory, and no higher if flown on a separate mast. Some states demand that any other national, state or provincial flags cannot be flown on the same must under ANY circumstances, and MUST be lower even when flown on separate masts.
One other federal regulation I’m clear on. The Stars and Stripes dip for nothing and nobody. An example of this is during the opening ceremony of Olympic Games; as each national contingent arrives at the host nation’s dais, they dip their flag. All but the U.S., that is. Military honor guards and color guards dip all other flags during the National Anthem or invocation/benediction prayers at formal ceremonies, but the National Ensign remains upright.
Freelancer on October 3, 2007 at 3:12 AM
Late breaking Reno update - ID theft details that started the whole thing:
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071002/NEWS18/71002052&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews
This is the FIRST story in RGJ about the real victims, instead of the 2-a-day “what about the children” sob stories. My comment to the paper:
fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 3:19 AM
fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 3:19 AM
Unreal.
Not our fathers
OldsmobileAmerica.MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 3:34 AM
Alright!
We’re a rare, exquisitely crafted instrument.
AP pulls the bow across the strings and creates a tone that resonates through the instrument.
Sometimes harmonic.
Sometimes dissonant.
Most-times thought provoking.
At no times dull.
soundingboard on October 3, 2007 at 3:35 AM
Now teaching instrument flying after starting in computer field in 1965 - Surveyor project.
fred5678 on October 3, 2007 at 3:09 AM
FORTRAN?
MB4 on October 3, 2007 at 3:37 AM
Oh I’d love to see some Liberal Prosecutor get that vet on trial, whew the fireworks would be something Nevada wasn’t too likely to forget
EricPWJohnson on October 3, 2007 at 5:23 AM
I love the smell of live red meat in the morning.
Captain America on October 3, 2007 at 5:40 AM
This is what happens when you f**k a stranger in the ass, Larry!
The Ugly American on October 3, 2007 at 5:43 AM
Good point.
And how is it left to states to decide the punishment, whent it seems to be more of a Federal issue?
Anyway, the blank look of the bar owners (I’m assuming they’re the owners) is priceless.
JetBoy on October 3, 2007 at 5:54 AM
AP, please keep us up to date if the vet is charged. I think we could scrape a few nickels up for his defense.
Texas Nick 77 on October 3, 2007 at 6:32 AM
That is PATRIOTISM my friends.
That man loves the country he fought for.
Whoever he is, we should find him and nominate him for Senator.
Always Right on October 3, 2007 at 6:40 AM
Fish heads: the other red meat!
Jaibones on October 3, 2007 at 6:43 AM
Bar flies. Drunk insects. What do you expect from drunk insects?
saved on October 3, 2007 at 7:16 AM
The byline to this story on the front page is “Yeah, super”
What this country has been missing for decades is direct citizen involvement to protect traditional values. We don’t see that anymore. Everyone is too pansified, regulated, lawyered, afraid, politically correct, or just downright ambivalent to get personally involved these days. Except for the Left. Those clowns invented direct action to the detriment of the country, unfortunately. Everyone else, however, does nothing, except occasionally complain.
Well, this guy did something, and by doing so, he sent a message. I bet no other business pulls that stunt. His simple action improved the country. I think that deserves a bit more respect and admiration than a sarcastic “yeah, super”.
jihadwatcher on October 3, 2007 at 7:18 AM
It’s not “illegal” in the sense that we usually think of things being illegal. There are a set of rules and regulations in the U.S. Code dealing with the display of and respect for the flag, but they are not enforceable unless the organization displaying it are government agencies (like the post office.) For civilians, they are largely voluntary.
Big S on October 3, 2007 at 7:43 AM
I was looking for blood stains in that high definition video. That was sweet.
Hening on October 3, 2007 at 8:05 AM
I’m all for US citizens voluntarily enforcing those rules and regulations regarding the flying of our flag then.
Maybe that’s where the problem starts. “Illegal” becomes just another “rule” or “regulation” that is considered to be “unenforceable”. Maybe that’s exactly how we came to have 12 to 20 million “illegal” people in our country.
Maybe we should redefine “illegal” as being “criminal” and deal with those actions as such.
Buzzy on October 3, 2007 at 8:09 AM
Buzzy on October 3, 2007 at 8:09 AM
The thing is, the veteran can get in trouble for this, since he destroyed the private property of another individual. The owner of the flag might even have an assault case against him depending on how Nevada’s laws are defined. However, the owner of the establishment can’t be arrested or fined; it was his private property, and his own free speech rights as defined by the Constitution and upheld in a number of Supreme Court decisions.
Big S on October 3, 2007 at 8:20 AM
i agree that to display another flag above Old Glory is improper and disrespectful. To declare that it is illegal,however, is far from clear. Look at the text of 4USC7(c), the federal code pertinent to this:
“(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed
of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.”
True, the second sentence begins “No person shall…” But note that the first sentence begins “No other pennant or flag should be placed above… the flag of the United States of America.” The word “should” is not synonomous with “must” or “required” or “illegal to do otherwise.” Rather, “should” is suggestive that it is good citizenship to fly the American flag highest, not declarative that the coercive power of the law will punish those who do otherwise. Which by the way, if you read the entire code section there is no mention of punitive measures for failing to comply with 4USC7(c), again indicating that this is an advisory code rather than a law that can clearly be broken.
I think instead of cutting down flags we should simply not patronize the businesses of extablishments that display the Mexican flag above Old Glory.
radjah shelduck on October 3, 2007 at 8:24 AM
Oh, whoa - that was awesome! That guy just did something that lots and lots of us wish we had the nerve to do. I know, I know - he “stole” the flag, the property wasn’t his, yada, yada, yada. But you know, he did nothing violent, and it is just time, past time actually, that Americans begin to take back our country in any non-violent way possible.
reine.de.tout on October 3, 2007 at 8:24 AM
radjah shelduck on October 3, 2007 at 8:24 AM
You are correct. Also see Texas v. Johnson and U.S. v. Eichman . While they deal explicitly with flag burning cases, the decisions affirm the right of individuals to desecrate the flag, based on their 1st Amendment rights to free expression.
Big S on October 3, 2007 at 8:30 AM
He’s nicer than me. I was thinking he should have pissed on the Mexican flag after he threw it on the ground.
Jaibones on October 3, 2007 at 8:33 AM
Okay, okay, here’s the obligatory “give AP some traffic” post.
And mark my words (sage that I am), this sort of thing will start happening more and more because right-minded folks are getting fed up with being diverse and tolerant and stuff.
Now it’s off to work, where there is NOT a flag in my classroom.
Bob's Kid on October 3, 2007 at 8:50 AM
At least not a ‘real” classroom one. I have stuck up a couple of small ones.
Bob's Kid on October 3, 2007 at 8:51 AM
I’d've put lighter fluid on it and lit a match……..
TwinkietheKid on October 3, 2007 at 8:56 AM
The bar owner flew a Mexican flag above Old Glory to support the Hispanic community? Are all hispanics now to be considered Mexican? And he says he’s a citizen of the United States. How about revoking his citizenship? Let him pick whatever Hispanic country he would like to live in, and he can fly the Mexican flag there. So many soldiers made the ultimate sacrifice so that ungrateful idiots like this can be free. The veteran who saved the flag is now a hero all over again. God Bless him.
lilyjac on October 3, 2007 at 9:03 AM
Personally, if the vet gets arrested for removing our flag, I want to know about it!
I want to chip in for bail and legal fund!
Thank you sir, for acting like a true American!
MITX on October 3, 2007 at 12:45 AM
Count me in.
Ernest on October 3, 2007 at 9:06 AM
Is the knife dude in legal trouble? If he is, I’ll be happy to pitch in to help pay legal fees.
Sue on October 3, 2007 at 9:17 AM
Me too!
Sue on October 3, 2007 at 9:18 AM
You know, he could have just told the bar owner he was doing it wrong. Guy said he didn’t know.
Sorry. Overboard.
Meryl Yourish on October 3, 2007 at 9:34 AM
I’m sure that Crocodile Dundee approves.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on October 3, 2007 at 9:42 AM
C’mon—the guy would have to be brain-dead to miss the symbolism of putting the Mexican flag above the American flag on American soil. He could not possibly have been surprised when Americans took offense. I accept that he probably did not know if it was breaking any laws, but not that he had no idea it would be offensive. And apparently people’s outrage went on for hours before the news crew showed up and the vet cut the flag down. You’re telling me the bar owner remained blissfully and innocently ignorant of the problem all that time, that he “just didn’t know he was doing it wrong,” despite an angry crowd outside his establishment? Don’t think so. It’s far more likely he knew exactly what they were angry about and was being defiant in leaving the flags up there the whole day like that.
aero on October 3, 2007 at 9:47 AM
You see how simple it is to solve a problem, Take action, its as easy as that.
Viper1 on October 3, 2007 at 9:47 AM
Isnt there also something about our Flag never bowing to anyone? I am thinking of the Olympics with the parade of Nations and all of them dip when passing the VIP except the USA.
Bravo to this man! God Bless Him!
It was pretty amusing to see the bar owner just stand there and watch. He never made a peep while Jim was doing his duty as a Citizen. It was only after Jim walked (or stalked!) away that this guy identified himself by getting the other flag.
I guess flying the mexican flag isnt worth confronting a VVet with a Bowie knife!
labwrs on October 3, 2007 at 9:53 AM
Heroics!
JustTruth101 on October 3, 2007 at 10:04 AM
Spc Steve, as to whether the KBar was Army issued or not, back in the day, my commander told me to buy the knife I wanted to use. Most preferred the KBar due to legend and true field testing.
Sensei Ern on October 3, 2007 at 10:05 AM
You know, he could have just told the bar owner he was doing it wrong. Guy said he didn’t know.
Sorry. Overboard.
jed58 on October 3, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Let me add, would we go up to our enemy in battle and say “would you please not do that”? We are in a war with this issue
jed58 on October 3, 2007 at 10:18 AM
pwned!
Kendrick on October 3, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Bravo Zulu!!
Mooseman on October 3, 2007 at 10:27 AM
Way..to..go..Jim! Knife was a tad dull though.
captivated_dem on October 3, 2007 at 10:36 AM
Clip is gone from their site, now.
desertdweller on October 3, 2007 at 10:55 AM
just watched it and all i can say is ” Great Job ”
and the remark the owner was just showing support for the Hispanic community {code for illegals } is laughable.
I also like they went right “ICE getting a super size to go order from Micky D’s”
Mojack420 on October 3, 2007 at 11:36 AM
It’s here.
erik on October 3, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Fantasic Stuff.
conservnut on October 3, 2007 at 11:51 AM
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what a shepherd looks like.
If congress does not overcome their cranial sphincter inversion soon, we are going to see more and more of such acts, and in response, the
criminallaw-breakingillegalundocumented residents will react and eventually, this is going to be fought in the streets. We are heading towards looking like a third world country (which we often do in the news lately anyway what with the types of protests the Truthers and insundry anti-war/anti-WTO/anti-establishment tend to hold).deepdiver on October 3, 2007 at 12:09 PM
pwn3d, awesome, Jim.
Thanks, erik
desertdweller on October 3, 2007 at 1:07 PM
Se fue…
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Blaise on October 3, 2007 at 1:23 PM
I found it here
Great story. The look in the shop owners face tell a lot.
Ll Migra
Kini on October 3, 2007 at 1:41 PM
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