Survey: Christianity’s reputation declining among 16-to-29-year-olds
posted at 7:13 pm on October 2, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Due in part, surely, to population growth among America’s non-Christian citizens, but only in part.
The study shows that 16- to 29-year-olds exhibit a greater degree of criticism toward Christianity than did previous generations when they were at the same stage of life. In fact, in just a decade, many of the Barna measures of the Christian image have shifted substantially downward, fueled in part by a growing sense of disengagement and disillusionment among young people…
Among young non-Christians, nine out of the top 12 perceptions were negative. Common negative perceptions include that present-day Christianity is judgmental (87%), hypocritical (85%), old-fashioned (78%), and too involved in politics (75%) – representing large proportions of young outsiders who attach these negative labels to Christians. The most common favorable perceptions were that Christianity teaches the same basic ideas as other religions (82%), has good values and principles (76%), is friendly (71%), and is a faith they respect (55%).
Even among young Christians, many of the negative images generated significant traction. Half of young churchgoers said they perceive Christianity to be judgmental, hypocritical, and too political. One-third said it was old-fashioned and out of touch with reality.
I would have guessed the main cause was the pedophile-priest scandal but Barna suggests that it has more to do with increasing mainstream acceptance of gays. The more comfortable people are with them, the more uncomfortable they are with Christianity’s hostility to homosexuality. Whether that’s because they’re simply not buying the idea that Christians hate the sin but love the sinner or whether it’s because they don’t think of homosexuality is a sin isn’t clear, but probably a bit of both.
Here’s the trend in a nice, neat, straight line:
And here, from Gallup today, is the favorable ratings for the top-tier candidates among “non-religious” Americans. If Barna’s right about which way the wind is blowing, the Democrats’ newfound interest in faith will be a very passing fancy.
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The public schools has promoted all of these ideas, why would anyone be surprised ?
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 7:17 PM
Com’ere Rudy shills, tell me, I pray, how is this going to look 4 yrs….8 yrs. from now?
Mcguyver on October 2, 2007 at 7:20 PM
Let’s face it- most Christians arrived at their faith because they were raised in it, me included. Now with parents more concerned with letting their kids “express themselves” rather than instilling a set of values, it’s no wonder that the anti-Christian influences would’ve taken greater hold.
I suspect most of us who attended church regularly as a kid didn’t do so because we eagerly wanted to- we did because our family did, and often left us with little choice in the matter. I’m not suggesting that’s bad- parents have a legitimate role in shaping thier kids value system.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 7:22 PM
ATHEIST AWAKENING, BABY!
Allahpundit on October 2, 2007 at 7:24 PM
As a practicing Catholic, I couldn’t care less. I’m more than happy with a smaller Church as long as it’s full of believers instead of people who really aren’t faithful. The world will always hate Christians anyway.
Sydney Carton on October 2, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Maybe present-day Christianity has promoted these ideas….at least in part.
speed911 on October 2, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Word.
I may have mentioned this before, but the onset of my atheism came after 9/11. I asked myself how people could honestly believe that God wanted them to commit murder, and it caused me to re-examine my own faith. Upon reflection, I found my own faith to be lacking – God’s just too subjective. He seems more like something we invented to cope with our fear of death.
Plus, God always seemed a little too interested in what adults do with their privates. If that’s not a clue that God is an invention of man, I don’t know what is.
Enrique on October 2, 2007 at 7:28 PM
Yeah, that’s a small part of these results too, I’m sure.
Allahpundit on October 2, 2007 at 7:29 PM
(78%), … too involved in politics
This is the one that gripes me the most. Leftist have been pounding away promoting the idea that Christians have no say in political matters. Of course they never explain why the majority of citizens in America should remain silent on politics, they just say it over and over again without qualification. The idea is never challenged by anyone and after a while, people start to believe it.
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 7:33 PM
I’d be interested to see what the data was regarding “than did previous generations when they were at the same stage of life.” Methodologies, variance between samples &c.
While I don’t doubt that generally affluence weakens faith, we’re importing quite a few non-affluent Americans who bring with them a very strong faith culture.
And I can’t help feeling a little “Media Matters” vibe over at the link, especially the near- worthless graph of– hold on to something for this– old people are more religious than young people.
a4g on October 2, 2007 at 7:34 PM
More likely a cognitive adaptation that provided a natural selection advantage.
Exactly the point.
Looking to the future less Christian religion = more Islam.
boris on October 2, 2007 at 7:34 PM
The irony I see is that moral certainty is the thing that is killing the church.
The other irony is that it’s moral certainty about the normality of homosexuality which is killing the church. This in the wake of a scandal involving, disproportionately, the abuse of preteen and teen boys by gay priests. I would have thought this would have given some people pause about homosexuality (particularly the male kind) as well as Christianity, but apparently not.
Lots of irony.
John on October 2, 2007 at 7:35 PM
I think its a mix of things, but the gay issue is probably in the top reasons, I would argue that its that most believe teh ghey is a genetic or natural occurance, and people my age don’t really see the need to overly antagonize gay people with things like the FMA and even being aggro against civil union.
That’s only one of many things though, and I’m guessing that it works in conjunction with other factors.
Bad Candy on October 2, 2007 at 7:35 PM
That’s fairly bizarre. What would make you think that ?
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 7:36 PM
Well, maybe Islam can take up the slack.
Egfrow on October 2, 2007 at 7:40 PM
I also think its representative of dislike of central authority…I found myself going to mass less when a bunch of quasi-socialistic crap started escaping the priests mouth(hated the gut anyway). Didn’t want to hear it, and went less.
Bad Candy on October 2, 2007 at 7:41 PM
As a member of that age group, I’d agree the gay issue is a big driving factor. The media and schools have been teaching that gays are awesome for years, and they want to be accepting of them (which is fine), but I think that people are uncomfortable being accepting of gays, and then maintaining faith in a religion that is hostile to it (to whatever extent – some Christian sects are more accepting of gays than others but I think public knowledge of this is low). I would wager that the same age group overwhelmingly supports gay marriage, and that plays into this big time.
Factor in the common Christianity ripping in the media/pop culture + being raised by a less religious generation, and it’s no surprise.
brak on October 2, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Hi…I’m a special post. Please take a couple of seconds to read me before you start drafting that response.
This thread could go up to 200 posts if you, oh friendly reader, wish it to. Chances are you’ll endlessly rehash thoughts and ideas until the personal attacks start. Let’s not do that…again.
Everytime you tear into each other bickering over unprovable concepts of faith/unbelief, you encourage more of these kinds of posts. Think before you break out a clever bible verse or QQ about how you became an atheist because your life didn’t turn out to be all candy and sugarplums.
Let’s talk instead about those things we can all agree upon…like the greatness of the Dallas Cowboys. Won’t someone please think of the NFL!
Asher on October 2, 2007 at 7:41 PM
That has never been a good thing.
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 7:42 PM
With regards to this survey, I suspect that we’re looking at a case of correlation vs. causation. Non-religious types are probably going to be friendlier to gays than the religious.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Argh…premature post! I should note that part of the dislike of central authority comes from messages we don’t accept, like rejection of free markets.
I should also note, its easier to find people with similar values online.
Bad Candy on October 2, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Besides, it doesn’t matter how atheists vote, because they’re forbidden from doing so…
…what they’re not? When did this happen? A travesty I tell ya.
* ducks *
I wish I didn’t have to explain that, yes- I’m joking.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 7:45 PM
I don’t think it’s bizarre at all. Christianity and Christians (not all of them, so don’t jump me), are to blame, in part, for the decline. Consider sanctimonious Hypochristians who lecture me about going to hell for not believing, but use some of the most un-Christian-like vocabulary to make their point. There’s also something to be said about spreading the word through hate and fear.
Then consider that the outspoken Christian right is threatenting to run a third-party candidate. If that’s not political activism I don’t know what is……and it’s certainly not an example of the schools perpetuating a stereotype.
speed911 on October 2, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Mass media’s constant complaints about those judgmental, hypocritical, old-fashioned, and overly-political Christianist wackos obviously had no influence on young people–it’s all about the Christianist bias against teh ghey!
Teach your kids good conservative values AND encourage their creativity today. If not, we’re all screwed tomorrow.
ScottMcC on October 2, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Heh.
Bad Candy on October 2, 2007 at 7:47 PM
I wonder if this perception is in part due the media? Look at the a certain Hotline headline that got more than 50 comments today. Just a thought.
terryannonline on October 2, 2007 at 7:47 PM
Sorry I meant Hotair…. my apologies. I must be tired.
terryannonline on October 2, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Noted, and you’re absolutely right that that’s a huge factor we’ve forgotten.
Bad Candy on October 2, 2007 at 7:49 PM
One other point:
The Dallas Cowgirls will choke it away. The season is young…
brak on October 2, 2007 at 7:50 PM
I couldn’t tell from your comment if you thought the church was right or wrong in its certainty.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 7:51 PM
hmm, it seems to me those polled are pretty “Judgmental” themselves.
what absolute idiots our culture has turned people into.
jp on October 2, 2007 at 7:51 PM
And I should note I’m in this age group.
Bad Candy on October 2, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Here in the UK where there is very little hostility to homosexuality, the CoE has moved to a very liberal stance on Homosexuality. The favourability ratings of the CoE are very high. (The pews are empty)
zane on October 2, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Meanwhile the JYB News Bureau reports another survey:
see-dubya on October 2, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Anyone see the correlation between waning Christianity/accepted mores and the insanity that is our culture?
mountainmanbob on October 2, 2007 at 7:55 PM
I’ve never had anyone so much as look at me the wrong way because I’m not a Christian. And I see nothing wrong with Christian people having preferred political candidates. Were these people in your family?
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 7:55 PM
lol
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 7:56 PM
yes, its our postmodern(meaningless) culture. the forces behind it go back a good ways though, its not just a recent thing.
jp on October 2, 2007 at 7:58 PM
OK… I see where you are coming from and your perception is shared by many. But that is not at all what I thought you were saying originally.
I thought you were saying that Christians had stopped promoting Christianity. And I couldn’t figure out how anyone would think that.
But you are merely saying that many people are turned-off by Christianity and I can’t argue with you there. That’s a fact. An unfortunate fact.
I’m a little perplexed by your statement; If that’s not political activism I don’t know what is, …. Of course it’s political activism, why shouldn’t Christians be involved in the political process ?
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 7:58 PM
It actually might help the churches if they were less squishy and took a hard line, it might actually help them in the long run, offer a clear alternative to the media.
Bad Candy on October 2, 2007 at 8:00 PM
Zane makes a good point. There’s a big difference in a “favorability rating” and actual church attendance and membership. I went to a megachurch for the first time last Sunday and it was standing-room-only for three different services each Sunday, plus a Sunday night meeting (don’t know if that one is usually full or not). I bet the local youth probably don’t care too much for it.
Besides which, churches are supposed to be controversial. Perfect favorability ratings would mean we weren’t doing something right.
see-dubya on October 2, 2007 at 8:00 PM
Sigh…entertainment and popular culture.
Bad Candy on October 2, 2007 at 8:00 PM
wow, saw this one coming.
ernesto on October 2, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Hmmm, you know, now that I think about it, maybe there’s a little backlash on the stoning.
see-dubya on October 2, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Yeah, kind what I said. I probably should have linked to it though.
terryannonline on October 2, 2007 at 8:08 PM
There’s a big surprise.
PRCalDude on October 2, 2007 at 8:08 PM
I should add that whilst the CoE pews are empty, the new evangelical churches are brimming, they are even giving mosques a run for their money in attendence numbers. Largley these churches are made up of immigrants from Christian communities in Africa etc.
The Catholic Churches are also seeing a huge uptick thanks to immigration from catholic communities in Eastern Europe. These churches stand diametrically opposed to the liberal stance of the CoE.
Drive past one of the thousands of beautiful CoE churches in England on a Sunday Morning you will notice the aging worshipers and dwindling numbers.
Having said that two of my closest friends consider them selves born again having found faith in their early 20’s when we were at school, this in in the late 90’s. They both attend CoE churches, the “happy clappy love everybody” kind (forgive my terminology). But i think that had more to do with their respective families attendence of those churches. The ones their parents would go to on Christmas eve and ignore the rest of the year.
zane on October 2, 2007 at 8:09 PM
If only I had greater confidence that Islam’s reputation weren’t rising amongst the same demographic.
Blacklake on October 2, 2007 at 8:10 PM
With such *wonderful* preaching coming out of America’s pulpits, is it any wonder it’s in such decline?
PRCalDude on October 2, 2007 at 8:12 PM
I think moral uncertainty will kill a church much faster. Look what Zane has to say about the Church of England.
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 8:13 PM
Zane–I know what you mean, because I lived it. here’s a long guest post on exactly that issue in England (scroll down past the Sweden stuff).
Terryann–so that’s the one you meant!
see-dubya on October 2, 2007 at 8:14 PM
Oy, veh. Again with the “Christianity sucks” religion thread. I’m done. I’m just going to not even venture into these again.
mjk on October 2, 2007 at 8:14 PM
Interesting…
From reading the comments here for the past year that it’s the 16-to-29 year-olds that frequent this blog are also the ones that want more conservative-oriented, peer-produced video content available to them.
Don’t expect us to listen to talk radio and read newspaper columns, geezers. We want the HD.
And I promise you that if Billy Graham was born in 1978 rather than 1918, he’d be evangelizing Youth for Christ on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, iTunes podcasts, and through his network of .com/.net/.org/.mobi sites…
and it would be GLORIOUS.
ScottMcC on October 2, 2007 at 8:22 PM
There’s a lot of other things that can be said about those who are between 16 and 29 that would signify a lack of wisdom and maturity.
Joshua P. Allem on October 2, 2007 at 8:25 PM
As a fellow member of a megachurch, I’m inclined to agree with you. Our church has baptized almost 500 people in the last 5 months. We have 2 services that are packed full (about 11000 each Sunday including all of the kids, children’s workers, etc), and over 7000 who come on Wed nights to community groups (100 different groups open to anyone in the community that teach very practical things like car repair, computer skills, scrapbooking, sewing, ice skating, etc.) and Campus Church (a contemporary service geared to the college and high school students in the area). It’s growing at a tremendous rate, and I think part of it is because people are willing to check it out, realize that we’re not all a bunch of judgemental freaks, and subsequently, their lives are changed when they meet Jesus.
I think many times, people like those surveyed don’t know any authentic Christians. When they do meet one, their eyes are opened. All I can do is make sure that when I do meet people and they find out I’m a Christian, they walk away with a good taste in their mouth and not a bad one. I think most Christians think much more about living like Christ than how other around them don’t. At least I know that I do. I love the quote (and I can’t remember who said it) “Preach the gospel daily. If necessary, use words.”
acleaver on October 2, 2007 at 8:27 PM
But then again, education in Christian doctrine isn’t what it used to be. Biblical education has declined just as public education has. So it’s no wonder the opinion of Christianity has declined as well.
Joshua P. Allem on October 2, 2007 at 8:27 PM
With the almost total negative reflection of Christianity in the nationa media, I’m not surprised.
Yet I wonder how this compares with (within the congregations I know) the increase in the number of younger people in this age group remaining in churches.
Lawrence on October 2, 2007 at 8:28 PM
Yes. Great legacy for the godless, isn’t it? Soros loves it.
Connie on October 2, 2007 at 8:30 PM
Yes, and as Marxist/Socialist (moonbattery) ideology becomes more ‘mainstream’ the anti-Christian bias it contains is embraced as well.
infidel4life on October 2, 2007 at 8:30 PM
Congratulations. Socialism and atheism… We’re looking like Europe more and more every day.
edgehead on October 2, 2007 at 8:32 PM
I’d care about this a whole lot more if I believed atheists actually existed.
Wingo on October 2, 2007 at 8:35 PM
And this is the crux of the issue. You could say that it is a good thing because our Christian heritage is so strong. When you are up, you can only go down.
ThackerAgency on October 2, 2007 at 8:38 PM
I find the notion of a god who’s involved in my everyday activities quite…bizarre. I’m 37. Am I a pioneer?
SouthernGent on October 2, 2007 at 8:41 PM
I wonder if the Catholic Pederast Society had any impact on this data?
Trust me, we are here and we are near.
TheSitRep on October 2, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Cold Case, last Sunday was about a promiscuous teen who was killed. As soon as the investigators found out she had joined a Christian virgin club in an attempt to turn her life around, I knew the killer was someone in that group. Turned out she was stoned to death by the whole group, cuz, y’know, that’s what it says we’re supposed to do to hos in Deuteronomy.
Pathetically predictable.
Wingo on October 2, 2007 at 8:44 PM
If you don’t believe in hell, or don’t believe you are going there, what does it matter what someone else says, thinks or does. A Christian witness is an act of love, not hate or condemnation, and should be taken in that vein (no matter how ham handed it may be). Should I believe that all Republicans or Conservatives are “hypoconservatives” or blow hards because Mark Levin and Michael Savage get a little extreme when making a valid point?
In the end, Speed, all you really need to know is that Christians don’t send you to hell, God doesn’t even send you to hell — neither the Christians you are offended by nor God (especially not God) want you to go to hell. Only you can decide whether or not you go to hell, Christ paid your way into Heaven and its up to you to take the ticket from His hand.
But the Christian life is about more than where you’ll spend the after life — thinking about it in those terms is like thinking about life as a build up to retirement.
srhoades on October 2, 2007 at 8:44 PM
I’ve met people of every religious persuasion who easily convinced me they were what they claimed to be.
I’v never met an atheist who was able to convince me they were actually an atheist. Many who have proclaimed their atheism have convinced me they were agnostic – which coincidentally happens to be my position on the existence of atheists. I don’t believe they exist.
Wingo on October 2, 2007 at 8:49 PM
Yes, by all means, let’s reject Christianity and embrace moral relativism. It’s done wonders for Europe.
packsoldier on October 2, 2007 at 8:49 PM
You are perhaps very correct in your statement. I think both believer and non-believer are probably barking up the wrong tree. But I can not substantiate that.
But I am most sure that the answers lay not in ancient middle eastern lore.
ODIN RULES!
TheSitRep on October 2, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Yes, indeed, atheism is what America needs. More atheism in the school system and in evangelical Hollywood, and in the press. Also, more atheism online, too. I left the Daily Kos because I couldn’t take the preachy Bible thumpers over there.
Europe shows what can be accomplished if you replace Christianity with atheism. A better future for everybody. More rights, less taxes, less terrorism, small government. That’s Europe. Why can’t America be more like Europe? I’m glad that human secularism is sweeping the western world. Look at all the achievements that the Christian world could have made if only it weren’t Christian. Look at the non-Christian world and see how much more advanced they are and how much better their social conditions and the human and civil rights.
And for those that insist on believing in a silly religion, there will always be islam to fill that role. Together, human secularism, atheism and islam herald a bright future for the human race. Wherever they have been tried, they have elevated mankind. What has Christianity given the world? Nothing but misery. Marxism, communism, terrorism, fascism, nihilism, environmentalism, Charles Manson and Michael Moore – all products of Christian theology. Atheism is the answer to those scourges.
Hopefully one day, the Christian foundations of America and Europe will be totally removed. Then, out from under the oppressive yoke of Christianity, this nation can finally achieve greatness for once, instead of being the poor, theocratic backwater it has been for 231 years. One day, atheism will take us to the moon. We might not make it on the first try, but we’ll get there some day. One day we shall be prosperous. One day atheism will grant us each inalienable rights. One day we shall be powerful. One day the whole world will want to come here.
jihadwatcher on October 2, 2007 at 9:06 PM
I’m kinda coming late to this topic but, for my money, this isn’t too surprising; and I don’t think that it amounts to a cultural shift. First, a majority of those in the age range polled view everyone as judgmental and hypocritical, and old fashioned: Their parents, their teachers, administrators, coaches, et al. It is not surprising, then, that when the question is asked, do you think Christians are these as well, the answer would be yes. Also, kids in High school and college always like to think of themselves as “outsiders.” They hate the idea of being placed in a nice mold, mainly due to the fact that they have spent their nice little sarcastic livelihoods mocking various well defined groups such as Christians. After all, if you were to identify yourself as a Christian, then those South Park episodes take on a different hue. Obviously, I don’t like how they perceive the Church; and I would like to see it trend the other way. But I am also not going to look at this report as more than it is.
Weight of Glory on October 2, 2007 at 9:07 PM
“Hostility” is a loaded word and its not accurate to say Christianity is hostile to homosexuality. Christianity calls “homosexuality” a sin and that is just a statement of fact in accordance with the scriptures.
I’m sure you wouldn’t say that Christianity is hostile to heterosexuality. Yet I’m sure there are as many, if not more references in the Bible to heterosexual sex being sinful, when it’s outside the bonds of marriage.
Christianity doesn’t “pick-on” homosexuality. It merely states that it is sin, just like it states lots of other things are sin, like heterosexual sex outside of marriage.
So saying that Christianity is hostile to Homosexuality is just anti-Christian spin and nothing more.
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Hillary isn’t doing well in any of the categories. What’s next?
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 9:09 PM
Let’s talk instead about those things we can all agree upon…like the greatness of the
Dallas CowboysOakland Raiders. Won’t someone please think of the NFL!Asher
I saw a typo there and figured I had to fix it. I don’t know how a guy can get that kind of thing confused, but you may have been thinking about the cheerleaders.
No charge, Asher, no charge. It’s what I do.
Krydor on October 2, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Thanks. What you said isn’t as important as having fun, but I liked it nevertheless.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 9:10 PM
That is precisely right.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 9:13 PM
Personally, I like a big dose of Unitarianism if I need religious silliness.
Wingo on October 2, 2007 at 9:15 PM
If your post would be true it w/b humorous and also impactful.
I enjoyed it anyway, for creativity.
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 9:16 PM
Sorry, jihadwatcher, I shoul have put your handle up (a sincere oversight).
In support of my statement, though, Putin, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Gore were/are more religious than you’d claim. Also, to mix all those -isms with atheism is really silly every time.
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 9:20 PM
ATHEIST AWAKENING, BABY!
Allahpundit on October 2, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Hillarious.
The more comfortable people are with them, the more uncomfortable they are with Christianity’s hostility to homosexuality.
Allahpundit
What a chic, and yet childlike, pathetic, thing to say…
JWS on October 2, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Correction – should have, of course (E, use preview button)
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Pathetic how they can’t simply not believe without needing to attack Christianity…
JWS on October 2, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Agreed, and goes both ways.
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Agreed, and goes both ways.
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 9:24 PM
What goes both ways?
JWS on October 2, 2007 at 9:25 PM
jihadwatcher on October 2, 2007 at 9:06 PM
That was sarcasm. It was dripping with sarcasm… I think.
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 9:27 PM
VERY well said!
ThackerAgency on October 2, 2007 at 9:28 PM
No tip jars over here, though. ;)
Connie on October 2, 2007 at 9:29 PM
In case he’s not here, I can assure you it is dripping with sarcasm.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 9:31 PM
What a relief.
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 9:33 PM
I never mentioned people, I mentioned ideologies. All those ideologies require the abolition of, or are hostile to, Christian principles. The twentieth century was the century of the -ism, wiseguy, secular ideas that killed hundreds of millions of people, mostly as experiments in social engineering.
jihadwatcher on October 2, 2007 at 9:36 PM
I saved it.
Connie on October 2, 2007 at 9:51 PM
This guys’ “conservatism” is his business; spreading lies about Christianity, to prop up his own deadened view, is plain wrong. Funny how just above this nonsense (re: Limbaugh), he scolds others for spreading lies, then turns around and does the same. Sickening…
JWS on October 2, 2007 at 9:52 PM
It may be sarcasm, but it is accurate and well stated.
The Bible is a GUIDE BOOK. It is a HISTORY of a people in the OT, and the story of Jesus in the NT. If you do what it says, your life will be good. If you don’t do what it says, you’ll have problems similar to those historical stories that are documented within the text.
sin is bad, all sin is bad, but all sin is forgiven through Jesus (God).
Christianity is not hostile toward homosexuality any more than it is hostile to all ’sins’ that might keep you from leading as fulfilling a life as God (the Creator) would prefer for his beloved Creation.
Believe what you want, but I don’t see much militancy with regard to homosexuality coming from anywhere but the homosexual community.
ThackerAgency on October 2, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Think you might have addressed this to the wrong guys,or misunderstood something. No argument here.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Define church going.
Most kids in that age group are brought up in pagan homes that think infant baptism makes them Christians and church going means once a decade.
Hening on October 2, 2007 at 10:11 PM
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And GOD BLESS YOU, seriously.
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thanks jw.
shooter on October 2, 2007 at 10:17 PM
Thacker Agency:
You wrote this:
and on another thread, you wrote this???
Are you a father and son on this site?
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 10:18 PM
I don’t think that’s correct. It’s “this guy’s” job to generate traffic and to keep us entertained and nobody does it better anywhere on the net. I doubt there is any ill will in any of it, it’s just his job to sometimes make himself an easy target in order to fuel the debate.
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 10:26 PM
ThackerAgency on October 2, 2007 at 10:02 PM
I think you may have misunderstood. JiangxiDad was not saying that MY post was sarcasm, instead he was pointing out that jihadwatcher’s post at 9:06 was sarcasm.
Maxx on October 2, 2007 at 10:33 PM
I thought it was sarcasm and humorous.
Tim Burton on October 2, 2007 at 10:33 PM
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