Good news: Rudy thinks he might win 48 states against Hillary
posted at 4:08 pm on October 2, 2007 by Allahpundit
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To be precise, he thinks 48 states will at least be in play according to internal projections obtained by Politico. Click and scroll for maps. The point, clearly, is simply to show that he’d fare better against Hillary than would Fred or Mitt, not to suggest that he expects a landslide. But still, how do they expect people to take this seriously if they’re painting Connecticut, where Joe Lieberman wasn’t liberal enough to win the primary last year, purple? Granted, Rudy would force Hillary to spend a little extra money defending states she’d otherwise have wrapped up — but only a little, since, as Green Mountain Politics reminds us, she’ll have money to burn while Rudy will have to devote his meager cash to true swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania. Add to that the fact that 70% of the public wants to cut funding for Iraq and the fact that he’s already being snubbed by social cons in battlegrounds like Iowa and he’s looking at a scenario where, as a hawkish liberal, he’ll have to count on Hillary hatred alone to carry the south for him while he dumps the lion’s share of his cash into five or six states and prays for a clean sweep to squeak through.
And he’s our best chance. Repent, for the end is near.
Update (bp): As long as we’re bashing Rudy, here’s a Red Eye segment from last night. Levy gets in a couple of choice shots at the end.
My take on all of this: Rudy is better than Hillary but isn’t the GOP’s last, best hope. We don’t have a candidate who is that last, best hope yet but hopefully one will emerge. And I think that it’s too soon to just give up and crown her queen. Hillary has many ethical issues that should dog her, she doesn’t connect with voters well, she has extremely high negatives nationwide, etc etc. She’s pretty much a lock for the Dem nomination, but she’s quite evitable in the general.
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I’ll have what he is smoking.
Wade on October 2, 2007 at 4:10 PM
And there was much rejoicing!
Slublog on October 2, 2007 at 4:10 PM
Fred/Rudy!
Then Rudy can campaign in the blue states and Fred! can campaign everywhere else. I doubt the Dems have such a plan…
unamused on October 2, 2007 at 4:11 PM
He should say it. And repeat it every day. At least he has the balls to take on Hillary directly. Good luck to him.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Yet the liberal lost Connecticut. I will vote for a dead dog if it is the Republican nominee. Hillary would be a disaster.
Plus, we should not be the crybaby, sackcloth and ashes party that some blogs are trending towards.
Snap out of it! Sheesh!
Stormy70 on October 2, 2007 at 4:14 PM
HEY EVERYBODY IM GOING TO CONTINUE TO RUN BASH RUDY STORIES UNTIL HIS CHANCES ARE DEAD, AT LEAST WITH OUR VIEWERSHIP.
You know Allah, I’m losing respect for you. You know damn well Rudy is one of the greats in our party right now. He may not fit the perfect mold of the perfect candidate, but he’s a top runner, and a smart one at that.
Have a little decency to at least give a guy a chance to win this primary. You are constantly on the warpath at anyone but Tancredo or “Aww Shucks.”
Vincenzo on October 2, 2007 at 4:15 PM
Which blue state would vote for Fred? For that matter, which purple state?
bnelson44 on October 2, 2007 at 4:15 PM
What are you talking about, Vincenzo? I goof on Tancredo and Fred regularly. And no, I don’t think Rudy is “great.” He’s ok.
Allahpundit on October 2, 2007 at 4:16 PM
I’m really burning up now. You keep going on and on that “the end is near” trying to drum up support for a right-wing candidate to get popular.
Do you honestly, actually think the end wouldn’t be near if we ran a far-right candidate? Not that there is anything wrong with one fo them being our nominee. But do you ACTUALLY think they would have a shot in hell of winning?
So really, unless Tancredo is crowned winner, don’t continue whining that we are finished.
Vincenzo on October 2, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Come on everyone – it’s time for a song!
♪ Always look on the bright side of life ♪
Slublog on October 2, 2007 at 4:18 PM
Awwww shucks that twer’nt far!
Allah beating Tanc and Fred’s drum? Allah seems to hand it all out pretty evenly.
Limerick on October 2, 2007 at 4:18 PM
Goofing is one thing, but you are KILLING Rudy. Goofing on him would be calling him the President of 9/11, for example. What you’ve been doing is SMASHING him lately.
I don’t mean to get all huffy puffy with you, but you are one slick carrot, and carry a lot of weight in the ol’ blogosphere.
Vincenzo on October 2, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Easy to tell who is taking on water, and answering phony phone calls.
tarpon on October 2, 2007 at 4:20 PM
Great. I’ll sleep well tonight knowing 48 states will vote in a liberal Republican.
MadisonConservative on October 2, 2007 at 4:20 PM
you’d rather let a liberal democrat win?
hate to say it, rudy is the republican’s only chance in 2008. I don’t like the guy, but I’ll vote in the general for him.
lorien1973 on October 2, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Calm down… calm down boys and girls.. take a deep breath.
If you haven’t figured out what our blogger-in-chief is doing here…. I’m beginning to wonder about ya..
This is simply to balance out the other blogs in the last few days with a different slant…
Huuaaaahhh…..now doesn’t that feel better?
Mcguyver on October 2, 2007 at 4:22 PM
This is the kind of stuff my wife can’t stand about the Rudy campaign, the whole notion that Rudy is the last best hope against Hillary. All the candidates have an aspect of their campaigns that sounds hollow and falls flat; this is Rudy’s.
Weight of Glory on October 2, 2007 at 4:24 PM
What this proves is that Rudy is friggen’ insane.
He’d turn Minnesota and New York into swing states? What color is the sky in his world? As of Aug 28, Rasmussen has Hillary with a 25 point lead in NY.
And Minnesota? Rudy shows it blue for Fred and purple for him… yet Fred was slightly ahead of Rudy in Minnesota, which hasn’t gone red in a Presidential election in approximately forever. Again, Rasmussen:
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 4:24 PM
By the way AP, I hope your absence was a vacation, because you are not allowed to leave your post until January of ‘09.
Weight of Glory on October 2, 2007 at 4:30 PM
Just got a letter from the Thompson campaign that said in part:
bnelson44 on October 2, 2007 at 4:32 PM
allahpundit
you need to go through a yom kippur fast
Defector01 on October 2, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Hollowpoint
What is a “swing state” to you? Obviously Minnesota is one. 51-48 for Kerry. Wisconsin was 50-49 for Kerry. Pennsylvania was 51-49 for Kerry. Michigan was 51-48 for Kerry. I believe if the Republican nominee is Rudy he will carry all 4 of those states. Could you see the auto workers voting for Hillary? How about those steel workers? Not a chance.
Capitalist Infidel on October 2, 2007 at 4:35 PM
If Rudy has a good VP that has a strong link in the evangelical base and he suggests that the VP will handle social issues while he does the national security issues. I don’t think many evangelicals will jump ship. With that setup I wouldn’t mind voting for him.
And with the whole Iraq thing, even if 70% want a cut in funding we don’t know what will happen in six months or so. Let’s say that the troop casualties continue to drop and violence subsides. Bombs and troop deaths are not constantly displayed on our tv screens and president Bush draws down to about 80,000 before the elections. Polls will shift and a republican can run with out much worry on Iraq. His position and Hillary’s would practically be the same.
Complete7 on October 2, 2007 at 4:36 PM
“…As long as we’re bashing Rudy…”
Uh, why exactly, are “we” bashing Rudy?
JWS on October 2, 2007 at 4:38 PM
I think Connecticut helps prove his point. Lieberman was voted out by the Dem party and he still won thanks to Indpendent and crossover Repub. voters.
the Liberal and Democrat Nominee in this deep blue state lost. The logic has to be that Rudy can get the same voters that voted Lieberman in…
I still say if 2006 was about the Iraq War, Lieberman never would’ve won. It was about the war for Democrats, but not indpendents and republicans.
jp on October 2, 2007 at 4:39 PM
Why do you post things like “70% of the public wants to cut funding for the Iraq war” when you know damn well that’s (a) not what the public wants, (b) not what the poll says, and (c) a WaPo poll in the first place.
I mean, hell, on any given day, if you polled me and asked me if I thought the government should be spending less, I’d say yes.
Being disingenuous, or just fear-mongering to drum up some action in the comments?
benjamin on October 2, 2007 at 4:39 PM
Vincenzo on October 2, 2007 at 4:19 PM
I’m starting to think Allahpundit might actually be David Guthartz.
Big S on October 2, 2007 at 4:40 PM
great question…
‘conservative’ blogs, playing to lose.
jp on October 2, 2007 at 4:43 PM
I’d rather not vote for a liberal, PERIOD. I don’t want my second amendment taken away, I don’t want abortions to continue to be funded by the state, I don’t want nationalized health care, and well, I could really give a damn about gay marriage.
So am I going to vote for someone who does? HELL NO. I’m not giving up my principles, my beliefs, and my integrity just so the letter next to the president’s name reads R rather than D. It wouldn’t matter that much in a Giuliani-Clinton race.
MadisonConservative on October 2, 2007 at 4:44 PM
AP could do non-stop, wall to wall Hillary “bashing” on real issues of corruption, awful political ideas, etc. He could do something that would benefit the country as a whole, since having that piece of crap in the WH would be nothing less than a disaster. He claims to be a conservative, yet spends lots of time being “balanced”. He hasn’t jumped the shark yet, but it seems he’s slipping into his water skis…
JWS on October 2, 2007 at 4:45 PM
Fred! leads in South Carolina AND nationally.
Buh, bye Mittster.
Dude, get a tissue.
omnipotent on October 2, 2007 at 4:46 PM
No prob. Hillary will give them up for you.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 4:49 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/an_in_depth_look_at_who_votes_decides_the_gop_primaries_a_commentary_by_douglas_schoen
bnelson44 on October 2, 2007 at 4:50 PM
Kerry was one of the weakest candidates the Dems have run since Dukakis, and he still won Minnesota. Neither Rudy or Fred has much chance here, but Rudy’s chances certainly aren’t any better than Fred’s- and probably worse, since outstate Republicans are pretty conservative socially.
I’m 37, lived in Minnesota my entire life, and am still not old enough to remember Minnesota’s electoral votes going to a Republican.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 4:50 PM
Good news: Rudy thinks he might win 48 states against Hillary
Good news: MB4 thinks he might invent warp drive and cure cancer.
MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 4:51 PM
My sense from these threads is that for far too many of us nothing short of digging Reagan out of his grave and making him run again will do. Perhaps this is an overreaction to the faults of W – too many years of having to put up with overspending, catering to Fifth Column Dems, refusing to fight back, etc for the sake of the war – but it is certainly not very strategic pulling into 08.
I’ve looked and listened long and hard at all of them, and Giuliani gives me the most convincing gut feeling about governing truly conservative. His private life and personal views may not all be 100% super right-wing, but that’s not what we’d be electing him for, is it? If he indeed is the candidate, I’d hate to see all the stuff “our” side is now saying about him used as ammunition by the Clinton campaign…
Halley on October 2, 2007 at 4:51 PM
The end is far away and at this point completely unpredictable, the regal attitude and coronation from the icy left notwithstanding. I’m with Bryan on this one, for similar reasons, especially because the tea party was not in vain.
However, I know of no one, in all the world, who can pull so many strings, for so many reasons, with so few words, while enjoying it all. Wit, talent, playfulness and psychology, often against thy own. You deserve a robot and a phone for x-mas.
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Good news: Rudy thinks he might win 48 states against Hillary
Bad news: Rudy has been into the bad hootch.
MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Yeah, who’d have thought Republicans would want to discuss Republican nominees for the Republican nomination elections. SHOCKING!!!
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 4:53 PM
Red Eye (best show on Fox News) REALLY nailed Rudy on his pathetic stunt at the NRA.
Greg, Bill, and Andrew are the Holy Trinity of Comedy.
omnipotent on October 2, 2007 at 4:53 PM
He’s talking about the general election, not the primary, and the need for Republicans not to destroy their potential candidates in advance. Any problem with that?
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 4:53 PM
MM included prickly. But point well taken. Brilliant.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 4:56 PM
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 4:53 PM
He’s still trailing the lazy, cradle-robbing redneck who captured that Russian sub.
Oh yeah, and Fred! just got in the race.
If Rudy can’t handle some jibes from commenters/bloggers on lil’ ol’ Hot Air, how is he supposed to handle the terrorists???
omnipotent on October 2, 2007 at 4:57 PM
Hollowpoint
Looks like the last time Minnesota went to a republican was Nixon against McGovern:
http://www.sos.state.mn.us/home/index.asp?page=650
bnelson44 on October 2, 2007 at 4:58 PM
I was 2 years old at the time. And the time before that? Eisenhower in 1952.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 5:01 PM
Rudy can beat the pantsuit off her; not 48 states, but more than enough to win.
We have 13 months to keep exposing this fraud, and there’s plenty to work with.
JammieWearingFool on October 2, 2007 at 5:02 PM
a great talking point next year will be to simply ask people if they want to continue the pattern of “Bush, Clinton, Bush…..Clinton?”…..and say its time for a change, blah, blah…
jp on October 2, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Could you see all the union auto workers voting for Rudy? Not a chance.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Rudy’s not here as far as I know. So don’t know how you can say he can’t handle the heat. Also, we have some people here equating Rudy with Hillary, and thinking that that choice doesn’t matter. So it ‘aint just some jibes we’re talking about.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 5:04 PM
Yeah, JianxiDad, adorable prickly, if you wish.
Unrelated to our diety, some here are way too sensitive. The right and the left provide oodles of entertainment and idiocies, and need to be called on them. No one appointed us campaign managers for the candidates. Too early to take any too seriously. It’s not even a year out from the electins.
This two-year old ‘foreplay’ is assumed to produce this huge leftie ejaculation, from a Glacier. Instead, an elephant will gestate.
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 5:07 PM
If Rudy cant stand up to Allahpundit then he has no prayer against the Clinton Machine.
doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Rudy Giuliani speech when he was NYC mayor – “Two days ago I announced that the City of New York has filed suit against the federal government. We are challenging a provision of the recently enacted federal Welfare and Immigration law.
This new federal law is part of an anti-immigration (The federal law delt with ILLEGAL immigration, not legal immigration) movement that can be seen throughout the United States, unfortunately.
Here in New York City we know the value of immigration. New York the greatest city in the world was built by the hands of immigrants and it continues to be built and strengthened by immigrants. New Yorkers know that any effort to eliminate immigration or unfairly burden immigrants (He is clearly from above and below saying illegal “immigrants”) could destroy the very process that is the key to New York and
America’s success.
That’s why the City of New York has filed suit in federal court. Our lawsuit contends that the new federal law violates the Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution by invalidating New York City’s Executive Order 124. For those who may not know, Executive Order 124″
is New York City’s policy regarding undocumented immigrants. This order was issued seven years ago by Mayor Ed Koch and then later reissued by Mayor Dinkins and then by me. Executive Order 124 protects undocumented immigrants in New York City from being reported to the
U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service while they are using City services that are crucial for their health and safety, and critical for the health and safety of the entire city.
Joining me in defense of fair treatment for immigrants (Again, you know he means ILLEGALS) is a coalition of well-known individuals and organizations (I wonder who that would include? LaRaza? CARE? Ted Kennedy? Vicente Fox?) who oppose the anti-immigration (You know that he is talking about ILLEGAL immigrants) forces in Washington
(That would be a majority of Republicans in the Congress, not just Tancredo and Hunter) and elsewhere (That would be us bad nasty nativist rednecks, I would assume”
MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 5:09 PM
Before we start crowning victors and predicting races, let’s just remember that at this point in the 2004 cycle, John Kerry was at 7% nationwide, and badly trailing in both IA and NH.
Who would have thought before the immigration debacle that McCain would have cratered to the single-digit Huckabee territory overnight? Who would have predicted after the cratering that he would climb back into third in the key early states?
Clark1 on October 2, 2007 at 5:10 PM
leftie ejaculation from a Glacier. Now that’s the kind of prose I expect from AP. Well done.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Wait. Let me understand this. You think, and hope, that some heretofore unknown, unannounced, dark horse will come onto the GOP scene and win the 08 election, yet you pontificated months ago now that Fred? was already too late to enter the race?
jihadwatcher on October 2, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Can’t we be happy for two minutes??
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 5:14 PM
Brevity is wit!
omnipotent on October 2, 2007 at 5:16 PM
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Rasmussen: Connecticut: Clinton 46% Giuliani 40%
I’d call that purple right now.
bnelson44 on October 2, 2007 at 5:17 PM
what I like about Allah is that he is fair across the board is showing the weaknesses of the Republican candidates. We need to know them.
In case you missed it. Rudy did respond to why he answered that phone call.
And it’s a doozy.
Rightwingsparkle on October 2, 2007 at 5:18 PM
This might lift your spirits. In a “The Way We Were” sort of way.
km on October 2, 2007 at 5:20 PM
km, 2008 will NOT be 2004.
Entelechy on October 2, 2007 at 5:22 PM
RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
Its Tommy on October 2, 2007 at 5:23 PM
I don’t know who did the polling for Rudy, but the map that shows Maryland as a tossup is absolute Barbra Streisand. I (unfortunately) reside in the “Free State,” and I can tell you that no Republican will carry MD in the forseeable future. If you doubt me, I will remind you that MD is one of the few states to have gone for both McGovern and Dukakis. They also elected a vegetable to the US House, but that’s another story.
Longhorn Six on October 2, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Can’t we be happy for two minutes??
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 5:14 PM
Wouldn’t be prudent and it is too early to start drinking.
MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 5:33 PM
What about with Michael Steele as VP?
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 5:35 PM
Rudy tootie fresh and fruity!
omnipotent on October 2, 2007 at 5:36 PM
That is very impressive. You got every position of Rudy’s wrong. He agrees that the 2nd gives INDIVIDUALS the right to bear arms, he supports the Hyde Amendment, he has a very detailed proposal for free enterprise health care, and he believes that MARRIAGE should only be between a man and a woman.
RINO myth vs. Rudy reality.
tommylotto on October 2, 2007 at 5:36 PM
You think, and hope, that some heretofore unknown, unannounced, dark horse will come onto the GOP scene and win the 08 election
jihadwatcher on October 2, 2007 at 5:12 PM
*
Where have all the good men gone
And where are all the gods?
Where’s the streetwise Hercules
To fight the rising odds?
Isn’t there a white knight upon a fiery steed?
Late at night I toss and turn and dream
of what I need
I need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ’til the end of the night
He’s gotta be strong
And he’s gotta be fast
And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ’til the morning light
He’s gotta be sure
And it’s gotta be soon
And he’s gotta be larger than life
Somewhere after midnight
In my wildest fantasy
Somewhere just beyond my reach
There’s someone reaching back for me
Racing on the thunder and rising with the heat
It’s gonna take a superman to sweep me off my feet
I need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ’til the end of the night
He’s gotta be strong
And he’s gotta be fast
And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ’til the morning light
- Bonnie Tyler
MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Can you comment on MB4 at 5:09?
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Oh no its not, not only would our founding father disagree with you (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin) As well you know I disagree with you…….Believe me brother these discussions call copious amounts of beer.
doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 5:43 PM
“evitable?”
I assume that’s as in “Evita,” right? And I wish I agreed she wasn’t in-evitable.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 2, 2007 at 5:44 PM
There is no saviour on the horizon. We will get the candidate that wins. If it is Rudy, all of us need to get behind him and push. The alternative is just totally unacceptable. We cannot have a Stalinist such as Hillary Clinton in the Whitehouse. Her and her evil husband are unconvicted criminals who have used public office for their own enrichment and to foist their beliefs upon otherwise free Americans.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on October 2, 2007 at 5:45 PM
After noticing that Thompson wasn’t listed, I did a little checking
In other words, it’s old. Really old.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 5:48 PM
Heh heh heh…Websters online is your friend….evitable
doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 5:51 PM
Truth dat……..
doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 5:51 PM
Some people here who support Rudy “Sanctuary City Mayor’ Guiliani remind me of that old joke about the woman who catches her husband in bed with another woman.
The husband says “Who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?”
– or -
Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?
In the movie Duck Soup this line is spoken by Chico Marx, who is dressed up as Groucho.
[Variant]: Who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?
MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 5:56 PM
People on here remind me of a bunch of numbnuts who want to lose
tomas on October 2, 2007 at 5:57 PM
Of course the union leadership won’t vote for Rudy, but the rank and file will go Rudy by over 2-1.
Capitalist Infidel on October 2, 2007 at 5:57 PM
bnelson44 on October 2, 2007 at 5:17 PM
CT actually has an extremely popular moderate Republican governor right now. It’s a very “blue” state, but only when the national Republican party insists on things like pushing Constitutional amendments banning abortion and gay marriage, fighting embryonic stem cell research, and acting as if God Himself personally endorsed them for office. New Englanders, as a general rule, are extremely private people, and tend to find overt moralizing, and digging into the personal lives of others very off-putting.
Big S on October 2, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Believe me brother these discussions call copious amounts of beer.
doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 5:43 PM
If there
areis nocigarsbeer in Heaven, I shall not go.- Mark Twain
MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Their state by state results show Hillary winning in New York, but their map shows Rudy winning it. The map you linked to appears not to have been updated.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 6:03 PM
People on here remind me of a bunch of numbnuts who want to lose
tomas on October 2, 2007 at 5:57 PM
Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it.
- Confucius
MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 6:04 PM
In 2000, approximately 2/3 of the union vote went to Gore.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 6:09 PM
A RINO record is Rudy reality, no matter how he tries to spin it now.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Hmmm, let me think about that one for a couple of minute as I drink my Samuel Adams Boston Lager and smoke my Backwoods cigar…..
doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 6:16 PM
I have in the past, but will try again. Immigration is a federal issue. The federal government alone has the power to stop illegals at the boarder and to deport them when they cross illegally. The mayor of NYC has no power to deport illegals. When Rudy took over NYC he inherited 400,000 illegals. He wanted those illegal aliens guilty or suspected of crimes deported. He would report thousands of illegal alien criminals, but the feds would only bother to deport at most a few hundred of them (the illegal alien criminals). NYC was in an impossible situation. It was flooded witth illegals and there was nothing that it could do, because the feds were not cooperating. NYC could report all the illegals it wanted, but the reporting would do no good, because the fed wasn’t going to do anything with the names after they were reported. The feds were not even deporting the illegal aliens that commited crimes for petesake.
So the prior mayors faced with this situation made a rational decision based on the circumstances. NYC would not report illegal aliens seeking education or health and safety services. It was better to have illegal kids in school learning English than roaming the streets committing crimes. It is better to have illegals reporting crimes than to have immigrant communities decend into chaos with each communities’ version of “omerta.” It is better to have illegals getting health care rather than getting sick and spreading communicable diseases.
It should be noted that Dinkins did not report even those illegal suspected of criminal behavior. Rudy reversed that. Those illegals who committed a crime or were suspected of a crime were still reported. But remember, the fed never deported even a fraction of the criminal illegal aliens reported by Rudy’s NYC.
So, the federal law would require NYC to report otherwise law abidding illegal aliens, even though the feds had more than their hands full just dealing with the criminals reported.
Rudy being a rational man charged with executive responsibilities involving the well being of 8 million people realized that the negative consequences of reporting, as discussed above, (and knowing that reporting would not lead to deportation) was worth fighting.
Rudy was fighting for NYC. That is what he does. He fights. If he were POTUS he would fight for America with different tools and different responsibilities. Since 9/11 (there you go!) he has changed. (Having a building fall down on top of you can do that.) He recognizes that boarder security is essential and has vowed to stop illegal immigration.
tommylotto on October 2, 2007 at 6:18 PM
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Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 5:48 PM
If this was done about two years later, it would actually make sense.
In the meantime, we’ll have to rely on a little thing called common sense. And trying to move to the left to beat Hillary Clinton? That just don’t add up.
logis on October 2, 2007 at 6:18 PM
Please provide proof
Even if so, can you see them voting for Hillary?
Capitalist Infidel on October 2, 2007 at 6:19 PM
Y’know, I’m for Rudy right now, but I have to admit that that stupid cell phone call almost turned me into a Fredhead on the spot. I immediately envisioned this scene:
Riiiing
RUDY: “Excuse me, this is my wife. Hello, dear. What?….Mrs. Sarkozy has a more stylish handbag than you?….Well, of course we can’t have that. We’ll get you a new one asap……..uh huh…….uh huh……..Listen, Snookie-Wookums, I have to go……Yes, I’m giving the State of the Union address right now……you know, all of Congress, the Supreme Court, and a hundred million or so Americans are waiting for me to finish, Sweetiekins….Would you like to say hello?…………Hahahaha!…..Okay, I love you too, Cuddle-Bunny. Bye-bye!…..No, you hang up!…..I’m not gonna hang up–you hang up! …….No, really! You hang up! [makes kissy noises into the phone and finally puts it back in his pocket]…….Now, where was I?”
aero on October 2, 2007 at 6:24 PM
Never mind, I found it, while union households went to Gore 59% to 37% that’s far less than the 67% that would be required for a 2/3 majority
Capitalist Infidel on October 2, 2007 at 6:24 PM
Rudy would have scored major points if when he got the call he:
Said “ah F**k it’s the ol’ lady, I’m pushing Ignore”
That’s what real men do.
TheSitRep on October 2, 2007 at 6:30 PM
I still can’t imagine America electeing the shrill Mrs. Clinton. I just can’t…unless the Republican nominate a boring candidate like Mr. Thompson even if most of what he says is alright. It’s all about appearances!
SouthernGent on October 2, 2007 at 6:37 PM
Sure, but that was with Bush as our candidate. If we run a MODERATE Republican instead, everything will be completely different.
I mean, look how bad it turned out last time we had a “hard core” Republican Presidential. Reagan got completely CREAMED by Jimmy Carter in the polls two years before the election.
Besides, Gore and Kerry were pretty darned sharp cookies. I think these Clintons don’t really have their act together that well. Odds are Hillary won’t be able to energize her base at all, so we should take the safe route: don’t worry about our base, play it moderate and just coast with whoever the polls said was most popular a year or two before the election – because we all know that the media wouldn’t trumpet a potential candidate unless they thought that doing so would help the Republican Party, right?
…Wow. That was actually painful. Turns out being assiduously idiotic is a LOT harder than it looks. I don’t know how those guys keep it up like that.
logis on October 2, 2007 at 6:37 PM
NOW you’re talking!
Longhorn Six on October 2, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Thanks for taking the time to do that.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Thought that might interest you. Me too. And might make a few blue state voters think twice.
JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 6:44 PM
Nice one- you had me going for a couple seconds.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 6:53 PM
Glad to see you agree with Fred!
omnipotent on October 2, 2007 at 6:57 PM
Nice try- did you think I’d not check the link for myself, or did you interpret “union members” as being the same as living in a household with a union member?
It was 62%/34%, with Gore getting 4% less than 2/3 and Bush getting 1% more than 1/3. I assumed that people understood that it wasn’t going to be exactly 66.666% when I said 2/3.
Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 7:02 PM
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