Good news: Rudy thinks he might win 48 states against Hillary

posted at 4:08 pm on October 2, 2007 by Allahpundit

To be precise, he thinks 48 states will at least be in play according to internal projections obtained by Politico. Click and scroll for maps. The point, clearly, is simply to show that he’d fare better against Hillary than would Fred or Mitt, not to suggest that he expects a landslide. But still, how do they expect people to take this seriously if they’re painting Connecticut, where Joe Lieberman wasn’t liberal enough to win the primary last year, purple? Granted, Rudy would force Hillary to spend a little extra money defending states she’d otherwise have wrapped up — but only a little, since, as Green Mountain Politics reminds us, she’ll have money to burn while Rudy will have to devote his meager cash to true swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania. Add to that the fact that 70% of the public wants to cut funding for Iraq and the fact that he’s already being snubbed by social cons in battlegrounds like Iowa and he’s looking at a scenario where, as a hawkish liberal, he’ll have to count on Hillary hatred alone to carry the south for him while he dumps the lion’s share of his cash into five or six states and prays for a clean sweep to squeak through.

And he’s our best chance. Repent, for the end is near.

Update (bp): As long as we’re bashing Rudy, here’s a Red Eye segment from last night. Levy gets in a couple of choice shots at the end.

My take on all of this: Rudy is better than Hillary but isn’t the GOP’s last, best hope. We don’t have a candidate who is that last, best hope yet but hopefully one will emerge. And I think that it’s too soon to just give up and crown her queen. Hillary has many ethical issues that should dog her, she doesn’t connect with voters well, she has extremely high negatives nationwide, etc etc. She’s pretty much a lock for the Dem nomination, but she’s quite evitable in the general.


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Listen, Snookie-Wookums, I have to go

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mcguyver on October 2, 2007 at 7:14 PM

Wow. That was actually painful. Turns out being assiduously idiotic is a LOT harder than it looks. I don’t know how those guys keep it up like that.

logis on October 2, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Yep, its kind of like banging your head against the wall, the more you do it the better you feel when you stop. Of course also the more you do it the more brain dead you become over time. Kind of explains Democrats if you think about it.

doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 7:16 PM

HOT AIR NEWS FLASH: Candidate Distributes Materials that Suggest He Can Win!

Seriously, AP. Seriously.

its vintage duh on October 2, 2007 at 7:16 PM

Listen, Snookie-Wookums, I have to go

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mcguyver on October 2, 2007 at 7:14 PM

Eweee, I’m not sure which one is creeper, someone snarking you with Snookie-Wookums, or you actually being somebodies Snookie-Wookums… :0

doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 7:18 PM

HOT AIR NEWS FLASH: Candidate Distributes Materials that Suggest He Can Win!

Seriously, AP. Seriously.

its vintage duh on October 2, 2007 at 7:16 PM

And you don’t find his materials at least a bit on the ridiculous side? If Fred were issuing findings that he’d turn Massachussets into a swing state we’d be laughing at him too, and rightly so.

Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 7:26 PM

On a day when the corrupt and dangerous Democrats in the Senate — INCLUDING HILLARY AND BARACK — condemn Rush Limbaugh for saying something HE NEVER SAID and meaing something HE NEVER MEANT…

why is Allah peeing all over the one GOP candidate who stands the best chance of defeating the Dems in the Presidential election???

Why, I ask ya??????

Always Right on October 2, 2007 at 7:27 PM

Oh, and by the way, Rudy aint perfect… show me anyone who is.. but he is the only GOP candidate who spends his time attacking the DEMOCRATS rather than attacking other Republicans…

and his strategy is to go with his strength which I think is pretty WISE. His strength? Well, he cant claim he is the most socially conservative, so he doesnt try. he cant claim he is the most squeaky clean personally, so he doesnt try.

He just claims he is the MOST ELECTABLE GOP candidate in a NATIONAL ELECTION. And so he is.

Always Right on October 2, 2007 at 7:32 PM

He recognizes that boarder security is essential and has vowed to stop illegal immigration.

tommylotto on October 2, 2007 at 6:18 PM

Maybe he should also promise to stop the Earth from revolving around the Sun, because he as about as equal chance of making that happen.

His complaint (now at least) is that the feds aren’t deporting enough people, so making it more difficult for the feds to deport people and saying “we want you here” is an acceptable response? Rudy had a chance to fight- either fight the feds to get them to do a better job deporting illegals, or fight for illegals by protecting them from being reported and deported. He chose the latter.

Face it- no one outside of Rudy’s hardcore supporters is going to buy his (and your) spin.

Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 7:32 PM

He just claims he is the MOST ELECTABLE GOP candidate in a NATIONAL ELECTION. And so he is.

Always Right on October 2, 2007 at 7:32 PM

Rudy says that Rudy is the most electable? Well, that settles it then!

Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 7:34 PM

Longhorn Six on October 2, 2007 at 5:31 PM
What about with Michael Steele as VP?

JiangxiDad on October 2, 2007 at 5:35 PM

NOW you’re talking!

Longhorn Six on October 2, 2007 at 6:40 PM

Steele is actually very close to Giuliani on most issues. So much that I’m surprised that you guys aren’t calling him a RINO too.

Big S on October 2, 2007 at 7:36 PM

Oh, and by the way, Rudy aint perfect… show me anyone who is.. but he is the only GOP candidate who spends his time attacking the DEMOCRATS rather than attacking other Republicans…

and his strategy is to go with his strength which I think is pretty WISE. His strength? Well, he cant claim he is the most socially conservative, so he doesnt try. he cant claim he is the most squeaky clean personally, so he doesnt try.

He just claims he is the MOST ELECTABLE GOP candidate in a NATIONAL ELECTION. And so he is.

Always Right on October 2, 2007 at 7:32 PM

Which Republican has Fred attacked, I think I missed that one. It probably happened right around the time Fred was attacking Rudy…….Oh wait, the only place Fred attacked Rudy, was in the poll standings.

doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 7:37 PM

He just claims he is the MOST ELECTABLE GOP candidate in a NATIONAL ELECTION. And so he is.

Always Right on October 2, 2007 at 7:32 PM

Just because he ‘claims to be’ doesn’t make it so. If that were the case, we’ll I’ll claim myself to be the most electable GOP candidate in the National Election and forgo the entire primary process.

Hillary is a weak candidate. She will do more to mobilize the base than ANY republican candidate. Rudy won’t make a ‘better’ showing against her. People will vote against her so it would be wise to put up a conservative to appeal to the base and get the base out.

Once the people understand she’s going to raise taxes, she won’t appeal to anyone. And whoever runs against her will win. Rudy doesn’t make a difference to anyone except the Conservative base of the Republican party. . . I think it’s valid to discuss why now before they stay at home because their issues aren’t represented.

ThackerAgency on October 2, 2007 at 8:13 PM

Suzanne, I WOULD ANSWER IF YOU CALLED, even if I was talking to Ronald Reagan.

otcconan on October 2, 2007 at 8:26 PM

The point, clearly, is simply to show that he’d fare better against Hillary than would Fred or Mitt

And in this, Rudy is 100% correct.

Social conservatives, please: GET THE HELL OVER YOURSELVES. This is one of those situations where you have to go for the common good. The alternative is four to eight more years of a Clinton in office.

Vyce on October 2, 2007 at 8:29 PM

Even though Fred is my man, let’s face it, a liberal GOP candidate will do better at getting those centrist votes that all candidates need on Super Tuesday. You need to appeal to the base to win the nomination, but after that, you need to go towards the center to take the country as a whole. Notice that Clinton is doing the same thing, just as her husband did. She positions herself to the right of her rivals, sure it pisses off the base, but then she is looking better once she get the nomination and has to get votes from people in rural areas.

Ultimately, Clinton can not win because she alienates too many centrist voters. She alienates too many Reagan democrats. She is radioactive for the center. You can not win without the center. You need your base to get the nomination, but you need to offend your base a bit to get the Whitehouse. Clinton offends her base but also alienates the center. She is unelectable as a result. Reagan offended his base somewhat but he appealed to the general electorate. Bill did the same. It works.

That means that Rudy has a better chance on Super Tuesday than Fred, if Fred keeps an anti-abortion message as a platform plank. This is why Rudy is liberal on that issue. It is good super Tuesday politics.

jihadwatcher on October 2, 2007 at 8:34 PM

CT is actually a pretty “purple” state. I lived there during Liebs fight against Lamont and voted for him even though I’m a die hard Republican. I did it to make a statement about the rank anti-semitism and racist character of Lamont, but most Republicans just liked the guy.

I just moved to S.C. and granted a Republican from CT looks like a commie next to one from here, but there’s a pretty strong Republican presence there that keeps a low profile because of the loud liberal activists and doesn’t get much play in the far left leaning print media. If Hillery runs trust me, the Nutmeg state will surprise you.

Rob Taylor on October 2, 2007 at 8:36 PM

Looks like I’ll be holding my nose and voting for Rudy. Just like I had to do for Gdubya.

Lawrence on October 2, 2007 at 8:36 PM

The GOP candidate will have a better chance to win with the right running mate.

Condi can be the silver bullet. She’s pro – Second Amendment, pro- parental notification , anti Partial birth abortion, anti Fed funding of abortion. She is also a good friend of Fred and open to running if enough folks want her to. Even Dick Morris says so.

Lothar on October 2, 2007 at 9:25 PM

Why, I ask ya??????

Always Right on October 2, 2007 at 7:27 PM

“Cause he’s as conservative as Hillary is…

JWS on October 2, 2007 at 9:28 PM

And he’s our best chance. Repent, for the end is near.

Wrong. He’s not our best chance… and the end is not near.
The Republican landscape will be vastly different as the second tier candidates quickly fold. Be patient, oh young pundits.

edgehead on October 2, 2007 at 9:34 PM

Lothar on October 2, 2007 at 9:25 PM

Try again. While I like Condi, many will call her a RINO.

Big S on October 2, 2007 at 10:02 PM

aero on October 2, 2007 at 6:24 PM

Molto buon!

MB4 on October 2, 2007 at 10:27 PM

Anybody but Hillary. If Rudy thinks this, I say more power to him. I hope he’s right, no matter what peceived “flaws” he may have.

jeanie on October 2, 2007 at 11:51 PM

Condi can be the silver bullet. She’s pro – Second Amendment, pro- parental notification , anti Partial birth abortion, anti Fed funding of abortion.
Lothar on October 2, 2007 at 9:25 PM

If a Republican candidate needs help with any of those issues, there is absolutely ZERO chance he will win.

logis on October 2, 2007 at 11:53 PM

Condi can be the silver bullet. She’s pro – Second Amendment, pro- parental notification , anti Partial birth abortion, anti Fed funding of abortion. She is also a good friend of Fred and open to running if enough folks want her to. Even Dick Morris says so.

Lothar on October 2, 2007 at 9:25 PM

Are you kidding me?

America is not going to accept a black woman as a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world. That’s the general downside to Condi. The specific downside is that she’s been a prominent part of the Bush administration since the beginning, which makes her, for all purposes, highly tainted goods and a bit of a pariah. No, the GOP contenders are going to have to, softly but surely, distance themselves as far away from Bush as possible, so picking up members of his administration isn’t going to looked upon favorably.

I really just don’t get it with some of you social conservatives. All of this nonsense over gay marriage & abortion. I hate to tell you this, but abortion? NEVER going away. And a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage couldn’t even get passed a few YEARS ago, back when Bush’s approval ratings weren’t in the toilet and Republicans held all of the cards in the legislature.

Vyce on October 3, 2007 at 1:57 AM

Could you see all the union auto workers voting for Rudy? Not a chance.

Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 5:02 PM

The union rank and file will vote dhiminicrat. No doubt about that.

Texas Nick 77 on October 3, 2007 at 7:42 AM

Wow. That was actually painful. Turns out being assiduously idiotic is a LOT harder than it looks. I don’t know how those guys keep it up like that.

logis on October 2, 2007 at 6:37 PM
Yep, its kind of like banging your head against the wall, the more you do it the better you feel when you stop. Of course also the more you do it the more brain dead you become over time. Kind of explains Democrats if you think about it.

doriangrey on October 2, 2007 at 7:16 PM

I know of a religion that requires their faithful to do that five times a day. Could that explain the followers’ tendency to blow themselves up?

Texas Nick 77 on October 3, 2007 at 7:56 AM

I can’t vote for Rudy. He is no freind of the 2nd Amendment. He and Fat Teddy are on the same page when it comes to disarming law abiding citizens and coddling illegal-gun toting criminals.

Alden Pyle on October 3, 2007 at 10:18 AM

Maybe he should also promise to stop the Earth from revolving around the Sun, because he as about as equal chance of making that happen.

His complaint (now at least) is that the feds aren’t deporting enough people, so making it more difficult for the feds to deport people and saying “we want you here” is an acceptable response? Rudy had a chance to fight- either fight the feds to get them to do a better job deporting illegals, or fight for illegals by protecting them from being reported and deported. He chose the latter.

Face it- no one outside of Rudy’s hardcore supporters is going to buy his (and your) spin.

Hollowpoint on October 2, 2007 at 7:32 PM

You make a good point, but…

As mayor of NYC, a suit to force the feds to deport illegals would have a 0% chance of success (there is this thing called federal supremacy — asked Fred about it — its the flip side of states rights) and would have a 100% chance of pissing off the 400,000 illegals in his city that he was going to be stuck with regardless of suit or no suit. Plus, he woud have a 100% chance of being labled a racist by the remainder of the population that did not already think he was a racist.

The suit that he actually filed had a much better chance of success legally and a much better chance of innuring benefits to the city. Was he doing a little pandering with some of his comments — sure. He is a politician.

However, he has a long record of unsuccessfully requesting the feds to deport illegals. He even said back then that a program of deportation would be the equivalent of a massive federal grant for the city. However, he was given lemons. So, he made lemonaid.

The main point is that what he did as mayor is not necessarily indicative of what he would do as POTUS. You need to look at all the circumstances. As mayor, what was in the city’s best interests? How did he go about accomplishing what was best for the city? Most unbiased analysis agree he did a remarkable job both pre- and post- 9/11 running a crazy city with 8 million souls.

tommylotto on October 3, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Hollowpoint

I’m sorry I don’t have all day to post here due to work requirements but if you read my first post I was talking about “steel workers” and “auto workers” We all know that the largest, by far, union is the NEA, teachers will never flip but those blue collar types like I mentioned will either vote for the Republican or not vote at all. Again I ask, do you really think those guys are going to pull the lever for Hillary? If so, I think you’re quite naive.

Capitalist Infidel on October 3, 2007 at 12:27 PM

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