What does the worthless U.N. have to say about all of this ?

Maxx on September 28, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Issuing another pointless resolution maybe?

Check out I.M.A.O.’s Top 10 U.N. Slogans. All too real, but really funny.

http://www.thoseshirts.com/imaoun.html

Also, key, this is a very decisive moment for which direction China wants to take. All eyes are on you too!

Entelechy on September 28, 2007 at 4:11 PM

Random Burma Fact: China is the largest supplier of weapons to the Burmese Military Junta. Burma is China’s water outlet to the Indian Ocean.

gabriel sutherland on September 28, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Unfortunately for Burma it is close to China. Too close for us to interfere anymore. Close enough to be useful to China as a footpath, a buffer, and for raw materials

That, coupled with an effective state-run media, keeps the people loving them. I would say the people have little desire for a change of systems in China. They only care about the economy these days. (I’ve lived here for almost 5 years)

p40tiger on September 28, 2007 at 10:17 PM

A sturdy system is hard to displace. People caught in systems can have a hard time dislodging them if the system is well tuned. I am praying for these people because they will have to do it alone, and it is possible if they become successful, and turn the military to their side, that China will interfere against the people. Burma could become the next annexation since Tibet

The fall of the Communists in Poland, East Germany, the Soviet Union, Romania and Czechoslovakia, et al., didn’t occur because the People had AK-47s. They didn’t. The Communists had made sure of that. The Communists fell because the People rose up en mass … and I mean en mass. Not Tiananmen Square style, but as a whole and throughout the country. They demanded freedom from the Communists, and when they rose up – as a People – the Communists knew that they were through.

There were outside pressures, without doubt, but, in the end, the Communists fell because the People rose up and cast them off – from within.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 28, 2007 at 7:17 PM

Not to take away from your point, it’s valid. But does that mean you would not support providing support to the people of Burma and Darfur ?

OhEssYouCowboys

The ‘89 Tiananmen protests weren’t the only ones going on in the country. Every major city had the same thing going on. It wasn’t isolated in Beijing. It is just that the foreign news was in Beijing at the time. After the crackdown, most of the protestors in the other cities went home, and the leaders were punished.

Tony737

The “Chicoms” are unlike other communist regimes of the past. They have pretty much given up their ideals in exchange for power. If you spend any length of time in China, you will find that today, China is very capitalist–in some ways more so than America. However, they will never admit that. They made a tacit agreement with the people after ‘89. We’ll let you have the things (economically) that will make you have a comfortable life, as long as we can stay in power. While they are still very communist in areas of social control, economically, they are pretty open.

That, coupled with an effective state-run media, keeps the people loving them. I would say the people have little desire for a change of systems in China. They only care about the economy these days. (I’ve lived here for almost 5 years)

The end is nigh.

Hmmmmmm!

Freedom only comes, because the People demand it from within.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 28, 2007 at 5:08 PM

But sometimes the people have no means to fight back. You can’t go hand to hand with trained military carrying AK-47’s. We should arm them and provide supplies. We should do the same in Darfur.

Maxx on September 28, 2007 at 5:36 PM

The fall of the Communists in Poland, East Germany, the Soviet Union, Romania and Czechoslovakia, et al., didn’t occur because the People had AK-47s. They didn’t. The Communists had made sure of that. The Communists fell because the People rose up en mass … and I mean en mass. Not Tiananmen Square style, but as a whole and throughout the country. They demanded freedom from the Communists, and when they rose up – as a People – the Communists knew that they were through.

There were outside pressures, without doubt, but, in the end, the Communists fell because the People rose up and cast them off – from within.

But, let’s face it…UN means UNecessary.

As to the shooting of Buddhist monks, their being arrested, and the Buddhist temples being raided by the Burmese Army, Burma is primarily a Buddhist country (it has been said that Burma is the land of Buddha no matter what). The soldiers are also Buddhist. Burmese Buddhist monks live by begging for money, food, whatever. Now, the monks have been rejecting the offerings of the soldiers in the name of liberty and freedom. By not accepting donations from the soldiers, this is a form of excommunication directed towards the soldiers by the monks. Hence, the soldiers are now frustated combined with the anger of combating the cries of freedom from tyranny by the civilians of Burma.

Hopefully more soldiers will mutiny and help protect the civilians. Perhaps if they can make contact with the indigenous people like the Kachins, Jingpaws, etc., who reside in the jungle, they might have a good chance of survival and to fight those soldiers who are chasing after them.

My God, what a shame that this is going on. How horrible.

September 28, 2007
Rangoon: ‘army mutiny’ reported
Troops refuse to fire
on crowds

Reports from Rangoon suggest soldiers are mutinying. It is unclear the numbers involved. Reports cite heavy shooting in the former Burmese capital.

The organisation Helfen ohne Grenzen (Help without Frontiers) is reporting that “Soldiers from the 66th LID (Light Infantry Divison) have turned their weapons against other government troops and possibly police in North Okkalappa township in Rangoon and are defending the protesters. At present unsure how many soldiers involved.

Using compare and contrast, it would seem that Burma, would be one of the best candidates and yet … … ….

Good point about China, Entel. I really did believe that they’d overthrow their commie dictators like the Russians and the East Euros (Romanians!) did.

The Chicoms, and other communist government, know full well what happened in the former USSR and Eastern Europe, and are determined not to let the same thing happen to them.

We should arm them and provide supplies

Yep…we’ve got a great track record of doing just that

Freedom only comes, because the People demand it from within.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 28, 2007 at 5:08 PM

But sometimes the people have no means to fight back. You can’t go hand to hand with trained military carrying AK-47’s. We should arm them and provide supplies. We should do the same in Darfur.

OhEssYouCowboys on September 28, 2007 at 5:08 PM

OR the USA imposes it from without. See IRAQ, Afganistian, Europe, Japan.

My prayers go out to the people of Burma.

OEYC and Tony, China wants the cake and eat it too – it doesn’t work like that. Their lower classes, who’re into the multi-millions, have not benefitted from the up-swing, and will some day, hopefully sooner than later, demand to be heard. They can’t shoot them all.

Burma and Cuba must be free in my lifetime!

Entelechy on September 28, 2007 at 4:45 PM

That’s my point – change, if it comes, will only come from within. The world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about freedom, either in China, or in Burma. Freedom only comes, because the People demand it from within.

They can’t shoot them all

There are far more efficient ways of disposing of large numbers of undesirables…I daresay we’ll see some creative use of them before long.

Are they fighting over ethnicity, religion, form of government…?