Dingell proposes taxes out the wazoo to fight global warming

posted at 7:48 pm on September 27, 2007 by Bryan

Well, that’s what he says the taxes are for. He’s a Democrat, his lips are moving, you do the math.

Dealing with global warming will be painful, says one of the most powerful Democrats in Congress. To back up his claim he is proposing a recipe many people won’t like — a 50-cent gasoline tax, a carbon tax and scaling back tax breaks for some home owners.

“I’m trying to have everybody understand that this is going to cost and that it’s going to have a measure of pain that you’re not going to like,” Rep. John Dingell, who is marking his 52nd year in Congress, said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press.

Dingell will offer a “discussion draft” outlining his tax proposals on Thursday, the same day that President Bush holds a two-day conference to discuss voluntary efforts to combat climate change.

The basic points of the plan are:

—A 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline and jet fuel, phased in over five years, on top of existing taxes.

—A tax on carbon, at $50 a ton, released from burning coal, petroleum or natural gas.

—Phaseout of the interest tax deduction on home mortgages for homes over 3,000 square feet. Owners would keep most of the deduction for homes at the lower end of the scale, but it would be eliminated entirely for homes of 4,200 feet or more.

And the revenues generated will go to pay for:

Some of the revenue would be used to reduce payroll taxes, but most would go elsewhere including for highway construction, mass transit, paying for Social Security and health programs and to help the poor pay energy bills.

In other words, they would just use the taxes to pay for stuff they’re already doing but want to do more of. How does highway construction or paying the poor’s energy bills do diddly for global warming? I could see someone making an argument that more highways lead to less traffic congestion, which leads to fewer traffic jams, which leads to less waste of fossil fuels, but the green counter-argument is usually that more highways leads to more drivers driving more cars.

At any rate, before we all run off ready to pay another half buck per gallon in gas taxes, perhaps we should bone up on the science that’s supposedly driving the global warming movement. Such as, the hockey stick may have been broken.


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Time for a nice green pasture for this old gelding

Wade on September 27, 2007 at 7:52 PM

IT’S A REGRESSIVE TAX.

The corporate jet crowd won’t feel it at all, but the rest of us who have to drive to work are going to feel it.

Between this and depressing wages through welcoming illegal immigrants, how can the Democrats still pretend they’re the party of the workin’ man?

see-dubya on September 27, 2007 at 7:54 PM

Time for a nice green pasture for this old gelding berry

Wade on September 27, 2007 at 7:54 PM

This socialist crap has got to stop.

techno_barbarian on September 27, 2007 at 7:55 PM

It’s all about the taxes, always has been.

Maxx on September 27, 2007 at 7:55 PM

What a crock.

I’ll personally go to DC and toss a pie at that bast#rd if he tries to get that thing passed.

On the other hand, I bet John Edwards hates the square/foot rule.

BacaDog on September 27, 2007 at 7:57 PM

Extortion by the Democrat Crime Syndicate.

RushBaby on September 27, 2007 at 7:58 PM

The Founding Fathers are weeping at our taxes and government…

Tim Burton on September 27, 2007 at 7:58 PM

These tax happy liberals are like mold . . . they’re everywhere and you can’t get rid of them.

rplat on September 27, 2007 at 7:58 PM

Gather at the graneries everyone and receive Caesar’s grain allotment.

Limerick on September 27, 2007 at 8:02 PM

As a resident of Michigan, I can only say…

what a dingleberry

Vanquisher on September 27, 2007 at 8:04 PM

Taking CO2 out of the air will be a direct attack on the food chain. It’s an insane thing to do.

Maxx on September 27, 2007 at 8:10 PM

If they take away my mortgage interest tax break, I’m well and truly boned. Tack onto that some gas tax and increased electricity costs. It doesn’t matter how many highways they build, I won’t be able to afford to go anywhere.

It really sounds like he’s trying to “reform” American cities into Moscow, with highrise compact apartments, trains to everywhere, central control of production and all your basic needs “met” by the government.

askheaves on September 27, 2007 at 8:15 PM

Ain’t it great?

You don’t have to show results with a tax on Global Warming issues.

Just pay the tax and you’ll feel better.

Wander on September 27, 2007 at 8:16 PM

To echo see-dubya: Could the “carbon” tax and gasoline tax increase target the middle class any more blatantly?

SouthernDem on September 27, 2007 at 8:25 PM

And these are just Dingell’s taxes. Wait’ll Hillary gets her list fired up. And Silky, et. al. And don’t think for a minute that all those lists won’t be additive.

eeyore on September 27, 2007 at 8:26 PM

I don’t know what’s more disgusting, the insane taxes he’s proposing or the fact that this slug has been in Congress for 52 years.

AZ_Mike on September 27, 2007 at 8:30 PM

Parliamentary taxation was the most significant factor prompting the Americans to rebel in 1776. A second factor was restrictions placed on civil liberties. The third major contributing factor was that the people felt that their interests were not represented in the governance. Sound familiar?

Take heed Congress, the Sons of the Revolution are oiling the muskets.

Alden Pyle on September 27, 2007 at 8:34 PM

“Declare the pennies on your eyes.”

I can’t stop laughing! I can hardly type.

Dusty on September 27, 2007 at 8:35 PM

I’m still waiting for the air consumption tax!

Claimsratt on September 27, 2007 at 8:37 PM

Maxx on September 27, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Ugh.

Take heed Congress, the Sons of the Revolution are oiling the muskets.

Alden Pyle on September 27, 2007 at 8:34 PM

No, they’re not.

Let’s see how crazy we can get this thread. NAU anyone?

Big S on September 27, 2007 at 8:40 PM

Put the old fool out to pasture.

jeanie on September 27, 2007 at 8:41 PM

Sheesh, if all he wants is a little more revenue I know where he can find it. Just pass a federal law that all punitive financial damages in any lawsuit are to be paid to the jurisdiction in which the suit is resolved-i.e. the trial lawyers don’t see a penny of punitive damages, it all gets paid like a fine.

Uncle Sammy gets a few bucks and our insurance rates drop because there’s a little less jackpot in the justice system so there’s less incentive to sue.

beats the heck out of a gasoline tax.

trubble on September 27, 2007 at 8:43 PM

Let’s throw money at the perceived problem which we have no real understanding of.

How about we start by taking half of your congressional salary.

Kini on September 27, 2007 at 8:46 PM

I have been waiting for factual proof of MAN made global warming for 7 years!!! yet all I hear is gossip and hearsay!

I am one who grew up in the MAN made global freezing era. Global freezing of course turned out to be a failed scam.

Wheres the beef?

allrsn on September 27, 2007 at 8:55 PM

I’m still waiting for the air consumption tax

Claimsratt on September 27, 2007 at 8:37 PM

LOL
Next year.

allrsn on September 27, 2007 at 9:00 PM

I’m still waiting for the air consumption tax

Claimsratt on September 27, 2007 at 8:37 PM

LOL
Next year.

allrsn on September 27, 2007 at 9:00 PM

You scoff, but when they realize what a blog post tax would accomplish we’re all in trouble.

trubble on September 27, 2007 at 9:08 PM

How does highway construction or paying the poor’s energy bills do diddly for global warming?

do i dare say you missed the point?

if you’re gonna bash taxes, you might as well do it right. they’re democrats, they dont need to spend the tax revenue on global warming to both

a) say they’re acting on global warming

and

b) hurt american business

its still a load of crap though.

ernesto on September 27, 2007 at 9:10 PM

Wheres the beef?

allrsn on September 27, 2007 at 8:55 PM

Actually, it’s Pork.

Anthropomorphic global warming?
What does the big yellow thing in the sky contribute?

Kini on September 27, 2007 at 9:12 PM

You scoff, but when they realize what a blog post tax would accomplish we’re all in trouble.

trubble on September 27, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Ssssshhhhh, let’s not bring up another Fairness Doctrine.

Kini on September 27, 2007 at 9:15 PM

Do taxes absorb CO2 emissions?

roninacreage on September 27, 2007 at 9:15 PM

How about a scaled District-targeted Asshat Voting Tax based on how many years your congressman has been wasting our money in the halls of congress?

2-6 years in office: 5% tax
7-12 years in office: 10% tax
13-20 years in office: 25% tax
20-30 years in office: 50% tax
30 years or more: You lose your house, the government owns you.

fogw on September 27, 2007 at 9:19 PM

You’ve gone and done it now, Bryan.

Wait til Allah gets back and finds out you’ve challenged his “how can you ignore the empirical data, you contrarian fools – Rome burns!” ridicule of us Global Warming Hysteria skeptics deniers…

There’s gonna be hell to pay.

Jaibones on September 27, 2007 at 9:21 PM

Until the war on terror is over, I don’t give a damn about global warming or the environment. I’m going to salt as much of my little corner of the earth as I can.

Canadian Infidel on September 27, 2007 at 9:22 PM

Wait just a minute, here. Allah disappears…Dingelberry comes up with a radical new tax plan to combat global warming…coincidence?

Jaibones on September 27, 2007 at 9:22 PM

These tax happy liberals are like mold . . . they’re everywhere and you can’t get rid of them.

rplat on September 27, 2007 at 7:58 PM

maybe we need to spray them down with sulfur works great on molds.

and what kind of tax breaks can i get for growing plants???

Mojack420 on September 27, 2007 at 9:22 PM

Yet, my carbon footprint will still likely be so much smaller than Gore’s. Sigh..

Canadian Infidel on September 27, 2007 at 9:22 PM

Taking CO2 out of the air will be a direct attack on the food chain. It’s an insane thing to do.

Maxx on September 27, 2007 at 8:10 PM

You are exactly correct.

Why is it so hard for the climate change crowd to understand simple botany? Plants ingest C02 from the atmosphere, use it for fuel (it’s like a supercharger to them), and they expel O2. You know… that stuff we evil wasteful humans (and most of our other co-creatures) absolutely require to live.

I’m so sick of this extortion masking itself as ‘science’. We’ve got to put a stop to this madness right now.

techno_barbarian on September 27, 2007 at 9:24 PM

No, they’re not.
Big S on September 27, 2007 at 8:40 PM

You feel that over taxation, reduction in civil liberties, and a legislative branch that ignores the will of the people it represents can no longer push the citizenry over the edge?

Peaceful law abiding societies can break down in an instant, and over much less important issues, think Katrina, Bosnia, LA riots, Selma, Democratic Convention, Watts, et al. You’d be surprised how quickly things get ugly when the masses feel hopeless or repressed.

We are at a pivotal moment in history where we most need a strong leader and we are poised to put a socialist liberal who hates the military in office to preside over a congress that makes no attempt to hide it’s intention to raise taxes to EU levels, give the country away to criminal aliens despite the will of it’s citizens and offer our throats to the radical islamofacists.

I’m not trying to make this a crazy thread, but all things considered, and in context to similar hisorical spikes, I don’t think it out of the realm of possibilities that we live to see an uprising that brings the big hurt to congress, perhaps metaphorically, by simply voting them out, or perhaps something uglier.

Alden Pyle on September 27, 2007 at 9:25 PM

This proposal is the direct and inevitable product of 52 years in congress. Unplug this idiot from the machine.

Jaibones on September 27, 2007 at 9:28 PM

Alden Pyle on September 27, 2007 at 9:25 PM

Our country will never be defeated from without but will go the way of all great civilizations, from an internal cancerous growth. It is sad to say but it is starting to spread even as we speak.

Claimsratt on September 27, 2007 at 9:34 PM

You’d be surprised how quickly things get ugly when the masses feel hopeless or repressed.

But the masses don’t feel hopeless and repressed. They’re too busy playing Halo and looking up naked pictures of Vanessa Hudgens to take up armed revolt.

I don’t think it out of the realm of possibilities that we live to see an uprising that brings the big hurt to congress, perhaps metaphorically, by simply voting them out, or perhaps something uglier.

Alden Pyle on September 27, 2007 at 9:25 PM

I think voting them out is a more likely, and highly preferable, scenario. It only takes a day, and after voting we can get back to the naked pictures and video games.

Big S on September 27, 2007 at 9:35 PM

Global warming from CO2 is already solved (search: Carbon Sequestration), but cranks like Dingbat and his willing drones want to undermine the last, best hope for humanity to feed the idols of their superstitious idiocies.

Fire half of Congress and all of the savings would do more than any such irrelevant suggestions from these weasels.

No more junkets, frankings, or fools.

profitsbeard on September 27, 2007 at 9:45 PM

“I’m trying to have everybody understand that this is going to cost and that it’s going to have a measure of pain that you’re not going to like,” Rep. John Dingell, who is marking his 52nd year in Congress, said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press.

Only if we fall for this Socialist money redistribution plan disguised as do-good environmentalism.

hillbillyjim on September 27, 2007 at 9:51 PM

Um, Mr. Dingellberry, if we are already losing jobs domestically, and the “disenfranchised” folks already cannot make ends meet financially, then how in the unholy hell is a tax on the energy that everyone needs, from employers on down to “everyday Joe” trying to get to and from work, going to accomplish anything besides more job loss and pain and misery for those who can least afford it?

hillbillyjim on September 27, 2007 at 10:07 PM

Global warming is just a convenient pretext for Dingleberry’s real passion-increasing taxes and government regulation. Having said that, an increased gas tax and a carbon tax are actually not terrible ideas IF and ONLY IF they’re made revenue-neutral; in other words, other Federal taxes, especially regressive ones, (e.g. FICA, AMT) are cut and there is no net increase in Federal taxation. Somehow, I don’t think that’s what Dingleberry’s really talking about; he wants to create the political equivalent of a Powerball jackpot for the Pelosi-Murtha-Byrd Congress to spend on its friends. It’s like crack for the political class.

Travis Bickle on September 27, 2007 at 10:15 PM

Why don’t they just use my social security tax for this? I’m never gonna use it.

mcptek on September 27, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Alden Pyle on September 27, 2007 at 9:25 PM

You are absolutely correct. I’ve been saying for some time now that the USA will not exist in 15 years. A republican will not be elected president and the liberals/socialists will take this country right down the sewer. They don’t think/believe that we are in a fight for our lives with the Islamofacists, illegal immigration is A-OK (some repubs think this also), global warming hysteria, national health care plan where no one will have health care, envirnomental whackos; can’t drill our own oil, can’t build new refinerys, etc. The list goes on. We will be history, but nobody is going to record it. I’m just saying.

cjs1943 on September 27, 2007 at 10:21 PM

IT’S A REGRESSIVE TAX.

The corporate jet crowd won’t feel it at all, but the rest of us who have to drive to work are going to feel it.

Between this and depressing wages through welcoming illegal immigrants, how can the Democrats still pretend they’re the party of the workin’ man?

see-dubya on September 27, 2007 at 7:54 PM

Exactly.

These are the sort of proposals that should and could start riots in the street. Does the Democrat Party have a flag I could burn?

I bet Dingell doesn’t even pay for gas for his car either – We probably pick up the tab for him as taxpayers.

Come to think of it, I want to know exactly what perks these “representatives” get so we the people can take every freaking one of them away from them. Better yet, we can propose to tax their benefits AND take them away from them.

Buy Danish on September 27, 2007 at 10:27 PM

Why don’t they just use my social security tax for this? I’m never gonna use it.

mcptek on September 27, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Too late.

Just like liberals to tax the hell out of something that is “wrong” instead of making incentives to do something that is “right”.

mojowire on September 27, 2007 at 10:31 PM

[James] Hansen has some explaining to do. The public deserves to know how he was converted from an apparent believer in a coming ice age who had no worries about greenhouse gas emissions to a global warming fear monger. — John Lockwood

It turns out that James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies is an old hand at climate change fear mongering. A recent discovery shows that Hanson was deeply involved in the early 1970’s global ice age scare. According to Hansen’s said beliefs at the time, we should be in a global Ice Age right now.

Hansen was also awarded a grant of $ 250,000 dollars from the “charitable” organization headed by Teresa Heinz Kerry, apparently for no other reason than Hanson having expressed his brave views on climate change. But thankfully, Mr. Hansen stated that the grant had no effect on his views

But apparently a quarter of a million dollars wasn’t enough to buy Mr. Hansen’s brave views for very long because now its been discovered that the George Soros operated “Open Society Institute” has awarded Mr. Hansen an additional $ 750,000 dollars under the institute’s so called politicization of science program. Isn’t that dandy ?

Gee, if anybody wants to give me a million dollars I might be able to believe in man-made global warming for at least a little while too. Anybody ? Anybody ?

Maxx on September 27, 2007 at 10:32 PM

Sorry, I just gotta add to my previous comment.

I wasted two hours of my life listening to those blathering idiots in the debate last night. When it came to global warming issues they all just kept saying we have to move away from the current types of energy that we use now. I just kept yelling “To what?!?!” at the television. The girlfriend was getting pissed.

You can tax increase cigarettes for example, your alternative is to quit. Great. Fine.

You don’t tax a needed product unless a reliable, and ultimately feasible, alternative is available.

mojowire on September 27, 2007 at 10:42 PM

Why don’t they just use my social security tax for this? I’m never gonna use it.

mcptek on September 27, 2007 at 10:19 PM

Don’t worry, they’ve already spent your social security money along with mine and everyone else’s. Why do you think they need a global warming tax ?

Maxx on September 27, 2007 at 10:43 PM

How about a scaled District-targeted Asshat Voting Tax based on how many years your congressman has been wasting our money in the halls of congress?

2-6 years in office: 5% tax
7-12 years in office: 10% tax
13-20 years in office: 25% tax
20-30 years in office: 50% tax
30 years or more: You lose your house, the government owns you.

fogw on September 27, 2007 at 9:19 PM

Now that’s one of the better ideas I’ve read in a long time. Let’s do it.

Zorro on September 27, 2007 at 10:45 PM

Don’t worry, they’ve already spent your social security money along with mine and everyone else’s. Why do you think they need a global warming tax ?

Give them a few years and it will be the Cosmic Ray Tax or the Andromeda Tax or some such nonsense. Maybe the Asteroid Mitigation Tax? Buckle up, folks. Unless you’re willing to vote these guys (who know much better than YOU how to spend YOUR money) out of office, the sky’s NOT the limit.

hillbillyjim on September 27, 2007 at 10:52 PM

We will be history, but nobody is going to record it. I’m just saying.

cjs1943 on September 27, 2007 at 10:21 PM

Taken out of context, that sounds just like the global warming fanatics’ rantings. I think the Earth, and the USA, will be fine. Neither CO2 nor Democrats will be the end of us, although too much of either might raise our discomfort levels somewhat.

Big S on September 27, 2007 at 10:52 PM

“I’m trying to have everybody understand that this is going to cost and that it’s going to have a measure of pain that you’re not going to like,

yeah,,, I feel the pain already. We’re all feelin the pain.
Every freekin time I turn on the news,, all you and all your comrades in crime do is give us all, the American people, pain! And it is never ever enough! If we screamed out in agony until the very sky cracked it would not be enough for you! You would continue to press and squeeze until nearly every drop of life was given up from our very bodies! You live, it seems, to inflict pain on the American people! It is your passion! You seem to crave the cries of the people as one craves fruit from a tree! It is what you must look forward to each and every day!! In fact, I doubt you could sleep at night if you thought there was an American somewhere, someplace sitting contently, minding their own business, happy and untouched by your wretched crooked hand! I bet your hand is crooked too! It has to be! Your fingers must be long, crooked and bent with nails that are yellow and twisted just like your old 52 years in the congress mind!! Am I ranting!! Yes!! I deserve a good rant! If only more Americans would rant! I work all day in a stinking job I hate trying to pay the bills while my wife is going to college,,, yeah we have dreams and hope,, we’re doing ok,, I am not ranting to complain about my life!! ! but I have to sit down and read after a long day of hard work how some millionaire smarter than all the freaking world elitist probably smells of alcohol 52 years too long in the stinking congress congressman with long crooked fingernails is proposing more pain in the way of grossly higher taxes for every American to fix a stinking unbelievable the sky is falling stupid HOAX!!!!!

OK,, I’ve got it together now!! I’m fine!

JellyToast on September 27, 2007 at 11:27 PM

JellyToast on September 27, 2007 at 11:27 PM

Nice rant, JellyToast!

I feel better already.

hillbillyjim on September 27, 2007 at 11:37 PM

For what it’s worth, Dubya sent Condi out to publicly jump on the global warming bandwagon today
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9fe5b5aa-6d33-11dc-ab19-0000779fd2ac.html

Which prompted an email from me, announcing I no longer support them. Certainly I’ll support policies they’ve put in place I’ve believed in in the past, even if they’re mismanaging them, and I’d obviously choose anyone in this administration for… anything… over any prominent modern Democrat, but this global warming thing is the last straw for me. I mean, Bush has grudgingly gone along with it in recent years, but to dispatch Condi to do the same indicates a shift (IMO), and I’m just done with this sh**. We have the NASA GISS scandal that only the blogosphere talked about which should have rewritten the entire debate, yet instead it is ignored and now this Republican administration is stupidly getting on board.

Screw you Condi and screw you Bush you freakin’ morons. It was one thing to be afraid to lash out at the media and the left, thinking you’ll come off looking better if you stay above it all… I don’t care if this recent move is actually a shift in to you fully endorsing this man made global warming lie, or if it’s just another attempt to stem criticism… It’s over between us. I’ll be by to pick up my sweater this weekend.

RightWinged on September 27, 2007 at 11:39 PM

JellyToast:

I LIKE YOUR STYLE.

RushBaby on September 27, 2007 at 11:48 PM

RightWinged on September 27, 2007 at 11:39 PM

According to the a**hole’s supporters he does not care about polls. In this case it is proof that is not the true.
I voted for him but all I can say in defence is that I chose the less of two evils.

SIJ6141 on September 28, 2007 at 12:13 AM

Dingell’s state has the highest unemployment and people are leaving in droves. I know. I live in Arizona and it seems every third person moved here from Michigan! Raising the gas tax is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in this current “climate.” A war with Iran would raise gas prices north of $5 a gallon. A big hurricane hitting the gulf could get us close. If they won’t let us drill for our own oil, or build nuclear power plants, WHAT DO THEY WANT FROM US?! Already answered in many of the posts above. Good news is it’s a dumb enough idea as to go nowhere fast. Bad news is it could happen once it gets cold enough in a certain place. I know. Kinda scary.

Ordinary1 on September 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM

This is as done a deal as the Hillary Presidency was a year ago. Bush telegraphed his intention to go into Giveback Mexican President mode re the “interior” as a means of gathering the political capital needed to force the Dems to state the obvious. Thus they stated it in the Wednesday democrats debate. The obvious? Ask Brian Baird. He seems to have a decent grasp on the obvious now.

pc on September 28, 2007 at 1:02 AM

It’s politics people. Get your panties out of a wad. You thought we weren’t going to start tapping that Hammurabi sweet sweet crude without going soft on another issue? That would be nice but this is still a semi-functioning democracy. This was good old fashioned horse trading. The President only wanted his Iraqi initiative validated. The Dems gave him this Wednesday. Give a little to get a lot. And freaking figure out how to go a little greener with your wheels. I for one can’t wait to turn to 99 mpg solution for my commuter vehicle.

pc on September 28, 2007 at 1:10 AM

Some of the revenue would be used to reduce payroll taxes, but most would go elsewhere including for highway construction, mass transit, paying for Social Security and health programs and to help the poor pay energy bills.

Can anybody be so dumb as a Democratic Politician?

What really scares me is some cracker legislator will propose actually trying to REVERSE global warming, and really foul the earth up.

I hope some Senator and/or Congressman gets a draft amendment ready to kill just such a proposition, stating there must be baseline measurements agreed by the scientific community, and controls placed on implementation in case the proposed “actions” either don’t work or “work too well.” Since the science on cause and effect is so well “understood,” this will be a poison pill to any global warming legislation.

desertdweller on September 28, 2007 at 1:36 AM

I think he’s angling for some young, loose, hippie tail.

Mephistefales on September 28, 2007 at 1:59 AM

How about a BS tax? Heck, congress alone could pay off the national debt.

BobK on September 28, 2007 at 5:24 AM

Don’t you foolish people realize that pollutant gases are blocking the sun creating world-wide cooling of brobdingnagian proportions? This will lead to the extinction of 99.9 % of the world’s flora and fauna including all of humanity. The Amazon rain forest buried in a snow blitz. Ice floes in Tahiti.

To avoid this nightmare scenario I would gladly accept oppressive and outlandish tax increases paid to loving, understanding and wise people who stash bribe money in deep freezes, engage in fellatio in the oval office, accept stolen campaign money and whose answer to global terrorism is total denial and obsequity.

Oops, sorry. I was reading from the wrong script. Oh you secular sinners, ’tis getting warmer, much warmer– hotter even than Dan Rather’s neck. Coastal cities flooded, Bush-created hurricanes increasing exponentially…palm trees in Anchorage. We can only atone by more taxing and spending.

MaiDee on September 28, 2007 at 5:30 AM

Dingell’s state has the highest unemployment and people are leaving in droves.
Ordinary1 on September 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM

His state is home to the auto industry which makes his plan all the loonier.

Buy Danish on September 28, 2007 at 8:08 AM

One of the problems here is,, we have way too many people in congress been there for way too long. 52 years,,, say it reeeaalll slooowwww,, FFFIIFFTTYY TTTWWWOOOOO YEEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRSSSS ,, more than half,, HALF!! a freakin century in government interfering and messing with peoples lives! It should be time to go now and GET A JOB!! Go and do something for a change other than spending all your waking moments legislating the lives of others! Show us by YOUR EXAMPLE how you would run a business, raise a family and contribute to your own community in some way other than just making laws and policies that others are forced to live by but you are exempted from!!! Now I am wondering,,, how many Republicans will speak out about this nutcase Democrat today??? Or will it all only be on talk radio??? The other problem is,,, I just get this sense on “our side” that too many Republicans are a little embarrassed to speak out about conservative principles! That is sooo frustrating!!! Some how,, they think it is just out of style,, or those days are over!! I am sorry,, well,, no I’m not,,, but our liberty and freedoms are never out of style!! Gross taxation and big government will always be a burden on the people,,regardless of who “the people” are or from where they come! Our liberties, our Constitution,, our Bill of Rights,,, the right to own property, the right to free speech, to peaceably assemble and petition our government,, the right to keep and bear arms WILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER BE IN STYLE!!!!! A thousand years from now,, whether our nation is still around and if the Lord Jesus has not yet returned,, if man has somehow colonized other planets and moved beyond this galaxy,, liberty and freedom from tyranny will still be as sacred as it is today!

JellyToast on September 28, 2007 at 8:12 AM

Great way to throw the country into a depression.

Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

If Ronaldus had said “Democrats” instead of government”, he’d go down in history as a seer.

N. O'Brain on September 28, 2007 at 8:21 AM

Rather than condemn Dingell, let’s think a little outside the box. Dingell’s plan has merit if combined with a revenue neutral reduction in the income tax. This would be an excellent first step in replacing the income tax with a consumption tax.

And for those that don’t get it: a consumption tax means a tax rate of zero on capital gains and dividends.

Both economically and ecologically a consumption tax makes sense. I know most of you don’t care about the ecology, but the economic part of it should make you happy.

thuja on September 28, 2007 at 8:21 AM

When first I heard it argued that global warming theory was mainly an excuse for the left to raise taxes and enlarge government control over our lives, I thought it was a bit paranoid.

After several years of curious observation, I am… sad to say… a believer.

petefrt on September 28, 2007 at 8:53 AM

And for those that don’t get it: a consumption tax means a tax rate of zero on capital gains and dividends.

thuja on September 28, 2007 at 8:21 AM

What makes you think that? History suggests a consumption tax will mean an added tax, rather than a reduction in anything. That’s why it won’t fly.

petefrt on September 28, 2007 at 9:14 AM

Rather than condemn Dingell, let’s think a little outside the box. Dingell’s plan has merit if combined with a revenue neutral reduction in the income tax. This would be an excellent first step in replacing the income tax with a consumption tax.

And for those that don’t get it: a consumption tax means a tax rate of zero on capital gains and dividends.

Both economically and ecologically a consumption tax makes sense. I know most of you don’t care about the ecology, but the economic part of it should make you happy.

thuja on September 28, 2007 at 8:21 AM

So your saying that even though man-made global warming is a fraud… it still might be a good idea to base our taxed on that fraud…. so they can make our tax system better and so we should just trust them because after all they are only trying to help us.

You will do well … at least for a little while, in the brave new world.

Maxx on September 28, 2007 at 9:30 AM

So your saying that even though man-made global warming is a fraud… it still might be a good idea to base our taxed on that fraud…. so they can make our tax system better and so we should just trust them because after all they are only trying to help us.

You will do well … at least for a little while, in the brave new world.

Maxx on September 28, 2007 at 9:30 AM

What I am suggesting is that we do what Reagan did in 1986: negotiate with the Democrats to reform the tax system. The Wikipedia article does not mention that this 1986 act was intended to be revenue neutral–neither cutting nor raising government revenue, which of course equals the total amount of taxes paid.

thuja on September 28, 2007 at 9:41 AM

LIBERALS ARE LUNATICS

NRA4Freedom on September 28, 2007 at 9:46 AM

What I am suggesting is that we do what Reagan did in 1986: negotiate with the Democrats to reform the tax system. The Wikipedia article does not mention that this 1986 act was intended to be revenue neutral–neither cutting nor raising government revenue, which of course equals the total amount of taxes paid.

thuja on September 28, 2007 at 9:41 AM

Unfortunately, this isn’t even close to where the Democrats are headed in all this tax talk. They are gonna add ‘em all up and the middle class will be riding the bus everywhere assuming there is enough take home pay left in our checks for bus fare.

Ordinary1 on September 28, 2007 at 9:49 AM

Term limits are a good thing. A Congressman (Senators included) should never hold office longer than 12 years. And I’m speaking as a resident of the state that kept electing Strom Thurmond into office.

Can you imagine what Massachussets would be like without the Kennedy stranglehold? West Virginia without that KKK moron?

Career politicians turn into a new aristocracy. America was never meant to have a permanent ruling class.

angryoldfatman on September 28, 2007 at 9:50 AM

We are told by the global warming fear mongers that the debate is over and that the consensus of scientists agree that the warming is anthropogenic.

If the debate is over then why are there 17,100 scientists who signed an afidavit stating that they did not agree with that premise. Their names are listed here: http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

singleton000 on September 28, 2007 at 10:05 AM

Unfortunately, this isn’t even close to where the Democrats are headed in all this tax talk. They are gonna add ‘em all up and the middle class will be riding the bus everywhere assuming there is enough take home pay left in our checks for bus fare.

Ordinary1 on September 28, 2007 at 9:49 AM

I agree with you about the Democrats. However, if the Democrats are serious about this issue, then they should be willing to negotiate. Negotiation is what distinguishs politics from religion.

thuja on September 28, 2007 at 10:44 AM

John Dingell is one of the poster-boys for TERM LIMITS.

And I don’t want to hear or read any smarta$$ remarks like ‘We have term limits; it’s called voting’ either.

Obviously voting doesn’t work for term limits when someone, as Dingell has done, can stay in elected office for 52 years.

Isn’t it odd that Congress has an ever closer single-digit approval rating yet so many of the same charlatans continue to be re-elected.

It’s time for a national referendum on term limits.

eanax on September 28, 2007 at 10:56 AM

Look, I’m willing to pay another $.50 a gallon for gas. As a tax paying American I need to step up to the plate and make sure that the unwed mothers, illegal aliens and others enjoying a “free ride” on Uncle Sam’s purse, get their “due rights”. If you and I don’t pay for it then who will?

Nah just kidding. It’s times like these that I hate being middle class. I make too much to get any of Uncle Sam’s money, but not enough to set up tax shelters to “protect” my income. Oh well such as life. Just tell me who to make the check out too.

I just wish someone would come along and tell me how to parlay $1,000 into a little under $10,000 in less than a year.

SPIFF1669 on September 28, 2007 at 11:30 AM

Well, at least my liberal sister couldn’t blame Bush for high gas prices anymore……

ctmom on September 28, 2007 at 12:03 PM

Why don’t they just use my social security tax for this? I’m never gonna use it.

mcptek on September 27, 2007 at 10:19 PM
Don’t worry, they’ve already spent your social security money along with mine and everyone else’s. Why do you think they need a global warming tax ?

Maxx on September 27, 2007 at 10:43 PM

When Perot was running for President his group had a meeting in our area. Dingell came to speak to the crowd of mostly seniors. The Q & A got ugly. One woman complained about a legal immigrant senior she knew who came into the US and immediately got an SSI check (SSI = Supplementary Security Income for aged, blind or disabled who never paid into Social Security). One senior said he paid over $200,000 into social security and demanded to know was his money now?

Dingell lost it and lambasted the audience that Social Security was never meant as a retirement income. He caused a near riot. Dingell is not a softie, and has no trouble inflicting pain that he will never feel with his gigantic Congressional income, Health benefits and pension to come. I got to see the inner Dingell that night and I will never forget it. He had to beat those elderly punks into line

entagor on September 28, 2007 at 12:18 PM

John Dingell. Yet another example of why we desperately need Term Limitation imposed on Congress. Right now!

pilamaye on September 28, 2007 at 7:29 PM