Anti-Ahmadinejad protesters removed from Ground Zero? Flashback: U.S. denied Arafat UN visa in 1988

posted at 11:43 am on September 24, 2007 by Allahpundit

There simply must be more to this story than PJM knows. The Port Authority couldn’t actually be clearing a path for him. Could they?

UPDATE: Andrew Marcus – on video assignment for PJM – reports that the Port Authority evicted protesters from Ground Zero this morning. Group – including family members of 9/11 victims – was in front of the PATH station protesting possible appearance at Ground Zero by Ahmadinejad.

There was supposed to be a mass protest at 10 a.m. but I can’t find hide nor hair of it on the wires. It may have been scotched after Ahmadinejad hinted he wouldn’t push his request to visit the site, which itself may have been a way to defuse efforts to block him so that he could sneak down there today without meeting resistance. Nowhere will you find a more pithy expression of the impotence and tone-deafness of the administration on this than Condi Rice — who, as head of the State Department, could have denied him a visa — acknowledging this morning on CNBC that an Ahmadinejad visit to Ground Zero would be a “travesty” even while plans may still be afoot for him to visit.

You would think a looming humiliation for the administration would be enough to get the left to line up against a Ground Zero visit, too. But with respect to the fringe, at least, you’d be wrong.

Update: There is an anti-Ahmadinejad rally scheduled for noon, but that’ll be held uptown outside the UN and, as I said in an earlier post, Ahmadinejad’s not scheduled to be at the UN today. Rudy says he’ll be there in spirit. Why not in person?

Update: Like I say, Condi very well could have denied him a visa if she had wanted. State Department bulletin, November 26, 1988:

In summary, we find that:

* Tbe PLO, through certain of its elements, has employed terrorism against Americans;

* Mr. Arafat, as Chairman of the PLO, knows of condones, and lends support to such acts; he, therefore, is an accessory to such terrorism;

* Terrorism and those involved in it are a serious threat to our national security and to the lives of American citizens; and

* The headquarters agreement, contained in Public Law 80-357, reserves to us the right to bar the entry of those who represent a threat to our security.

Not good enough? How about the fact that a federal district judge slapped Iran with a $2.65 billion judgment three weeks ago stemming from the 1983 Marine barracks bombing? The president at the time was the current supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. If they want a visa, let them pay.

Update: Another blogger already caught the Arafat angle.

Update: Kevin McCullough e-mails to say he was there and Pajamas got it right.

My listeners (about 160) in total were hustled away from the primary elevator shaft on the north side of the PATH train stop (the primary spot at Ground Zero on street level.)

The woman who was given the most grief was Desiree (Jones?) from Brooklyn a long time listener/reader AND a 911 family member. She had tasteful signs that were rested neatly along the outer fencing of the area where we were and was giving a talk to those in attendance about the dangers Ahamdinejad presented to the free world.

Her sobering question – she repeatedly asked those who were passing by and gathered to hear her was, “what if we knew enough to stop another one of these from happening?”


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We are doomed. Political correctness is destroying us, and the liberals are doing tier best to destroy this country. Ahmadinejihad/Hitler good, Bush/US bad. What a shame.

jdawg on September 24, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Told you. East coast blah, blah, blah. Pussies.

Bump me if you want

LtE126 on September 24, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Dude, there is nothing that anyone can do to stop him. NYPD said ‘no’. . . what are they going to do? Taze him and arrest him? Hello international crisis.

ThackerAgency on September 24, 2007 at 11:50 AM

Ahmadinejihad/Hitler good, Bush/US bad. What a shame.

No no, see, you’ve got it all wrong.

Bush/US = Hitler.
Ahmindajihad = Misunderstood and cuddly.

Cause Kos said so!

MadisonConservative on September 24, 2007 at 11:51 AM

Who gives a shit. Everyone hates us anyway. Mainly ’cause we have balls. So have some balls.

LtE126 on September 24, 2007 at 11:52 AM

…and yet no amount of shame, responsibility, or general decency can convince them to evict the Truthers from any one of their numerous protests.

Nice.

James on September 24, 2007 at 11:52 AM

How would it be a humiliation for the administration from the view of the left if he doesn’t go?

They obviously want to demonize the admin. for *not* letting him.

Anwyn on September 24, 2007 at 11:53 AM

There are people outside of Columbia, that I know…but I’m here in the city and haven’t heard of anyone being removed from the WTC site…but I’m a bit uptown from there, so who knows.

But I highly doubt the PA would be getting people out of there. Doesn’t Ahmabibblebabble have to speak today at the UN? His Columbia speech is at 1:30, figure what…an hour or so, then they’ll whisk him away.

I just don’t see him going to Ground Zero today.

JetBoy on September 24, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Hello international crisis.

Bring it!

CurtZHP on September 24, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Dude, there is nothing that anyone can do to stop him.

They could have denied him a visa. There’s precedent for it. Watch for my update.

How would it be a humiliation for the administration from the view of the left if he doesn’t go?

Because the left fancies itself the “real” terrorist fighters. That’s why they’re continue hammering Bush about not having caught Bin Laden and having “created more terrorism” by invading Iraq. This is a golden opportunity for them to take the mantle of anti-Islamist crusader while scoring points off Bush. They can’t bring themselves to do it.

Allahpundit on September 24, 2007 at 11:57 AM

Again, despite the Pauiains et al, this slug is causing the “international crisis”, not us.
The sooner this bug gets squashed, the better.

bbz123 on September 24, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Amazing….the entire world press would be on 24/7 if bush backed his golf cart over Barney yet we can’t find out the who/what/when/where of Satan as he walks around NYC.

I pray the people of NY get the hell out from behind their desks and out of the cubicles and get in the streets.

Limerick on September 24, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Finally someone in the Bush admin speaks up

Rice says Iranian “Ground Zero” visit would be travesty
Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:12am ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) – U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Monday that it would have been a travesty for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to visit the “Ground Zero” World Trade Center site in New York.

“I think it would have been a travesty,” Rice told cable TV channel CNBC in an interview. “This is somebody who is the president of a country that is probably the greatest sponsor — state sponsor — of terrorism, someone who is a Holocaust denier, someone who has talked about wiping other countries off the map. I think it would have been a travesty.”

William Amos on September 24, 2007 at 11:59 AM

There just really isn’t much to say is there? The behavior of the people who have facilitated this embarrassment is sickening.

csdeven on September 24, 2007 at 12:01 PM

They could have denied him a visa.

And they should have. My point here now is that once he’s in the country, unless he breaks a law, nobody can stop him from doing what he wants.

He should not have been allowed to step foot on this soil as long as there is evidence that he is killing our troops.

Let Europe host the UN for a few decades please.

ThackerAgency on September 24, 2007 at 12:02 PM

But, as I said in an earlier post, this guy has beaten us politically ever since he’s been in office. We should have started ‘negotiations’ last year on his first failure to comply with resolutions with a nuclear bomb in their desert (again not killing anyone for all you people apalled) as our ‘negotiation’ starting point.

ThackerAgency on September 24, 2007 at 12:04 PM

Good morning TV….
Britany, Alred, Clooney, Heroes, Sex and the City. Normal day in the American press.

Limerick on September 24, 2007 at 12:04 PM

They could have denied him a visa.

Could they? If he’s here on official UN business, isn’t he allowed? As for any other travel, I assume it would have to be cleared.

But can a nation’s leader be barred from going to the UN?

JetBoy on September 24, 2007 at 12:04 PM

But can a nation’s leader be barred from going to the UN?

No, but by denying him a visa, he would have been confined to the UN, unable to set foot on American soil

Slublog on September 24, 2007 at 12:05 PM

“Hello international crisis.”

Like we haven’t been engaged in an “international crisis” for the past century?

Virtually every country on earth is dominated by either socialists, tyrants, dictators or islamists. Australia seems to be about the last country left besides us that hasn’t succumbed, although they’re traveling done the same path we are. It’s been us against everyone else for a while now, the main difference today is that we are also fighting the enemy from within as well. Everyone wants to bring us down to their own crappy level of misery.

darwin on September 24, 2007 at 12:06 PM

Wimps…Wusses…we send soldiers to do battle on foreign lands, and we can’t stand here and say “you’re not welcome, say your piece and go home”.
Maybe Bush or Condi should hire a marine to do their talking…Ididntwanttogotobed would get the message real clear and real quick, and would not want to visit our sacred site.
Bush is really pis*ing me off, he can’t take the lead, can’t stand up to this punk. Looks like Vicente is right, he is just a windshield cowboy.

right2bright on September 24, 2007 at 12:06 PM

Because the left fancies itself the “real” terrorist fighters. That’s why they’re continue hammering Bush about not having caught Bin Laden and having “created more terrorism” by invading Iraq. This is a golden opportunity for them to take the mantle of anti-Islamist crusader while scoring points off Bush. They can’t bring themselves to do it.

Allahpundit on September 24, 2007 at 11:57 AM

Excuse me for still being dense. So you’re saying, if they were to clamor against him going and he still *did* go, *that* would be the humiliation?

If so, I misunderstood. I couldn’t see how it could be a humiliation if they clamored against him going and he *didn’t* go.

Anwyn on September 24, 2007 at 12:06 PM

November 26, 1988

Reagan.

amerpundit on September 24, 2007 at 12:07 PM

No, but by denying him a visa, he would have been confined to the UN, unable to set foot on American soil

Slublog on September 24, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Exactly, what is so hard about this to understand? Let him go to the UN and say his cr*p. Then say “thank you, good night, see you later, bye bye, have a nice day, here is your ride to the airport, be sure and write”.

right2bright on September 24, 2007 at 12:09 PM

From Sen. Gravel:

But Ahmadinejad is Iran’s elected head of state and by snubbing him, we snub the Iranian government and its people.

How does this translate when thinking about the various desired “snubbing” of Bush (ranging from frogmatch to assassination fantasies) by the same leftist fringe? Hell, according to them Bush “won” his elections the same way Littl’ Mahdi genuinely won his, so that card of “Bush wasn’t elected” is out within their own perspective. Are these people so full of self-loathing that the thought doesn’t even come up?

Wineaholic on September 24, 2007 at 12:09 PM

[Slublog on September 24, 2007 at 12:05 PM]

Are you saying that he could fly into Kennedy, take a helicopter to the UN roof and then helicopter back to Kennedy and fly home? Seriously, I don’t know the precedent and must have missed it if mentioned in a different post.

Dusty on September 24, 2007 at 12:09 PM

1988 was also an election year and we had less political correctness as a whole than today….and of course Reagan could articulate his position better than Bush could. the world was a different place then…

jp on September 24, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Actually, looks like I was mistaken. We could have denied him a visa. Shame on Rice.

Slublog on September 24, 2007 at 12:11 PM

Reagan.

amerpundit on September 24, 2007 at 12:07 PM

MadisonConservative on September 24, 2007 at 12:11 PM

So you’re saying, if they were to clamor against him going and he still *did* go, *that* would be the humiliation?

No. The humiliation would be allowing this cretin to go to Ground Zero. The left could exploit that as a political opportunity by taking a hardline against letting him go down there and then bashing Bush for letting it happen if and when it does happen.

Allahpundit on September 24, 2007 at 12:13 PM

I’m pretty much over Condi Rice. She’s been a disappointment as Sec. of State.

CP on September 24, 2007 at 12:13 PM

Exactly how many American soldiers have been killed our wounded by IEDs set by this guy’s goons?

pedestrian on September 24, 2007 at 12:13 PM

Dusty on September 24, 2007 at 12:09 PM

So you can’t do anything unless it has been done before?

Interesting way to lead.

right2bright on September 24, 2007 at 12:14 PM

National Press Club w/Ahmedinibinajhab on C-SPAN

Ordinary1 on September 24, 2007 at 12:14 PM

Oh brother…if you’re near a TV, put on C-Span2…Ahmadinijad is speaking to the National Press Club in DC in a minute via satellite.

JetBoy on September 24, 2007 at 12:15 PM

Fox just dumped the live web broadcast of his gig at the National Press Club. It was on their site until about 11:59, then poof.

Numenorean on September 24, 2007 at 12:16 PM

So you’re saying, if they were to clamor against him going and he still *did* go, *that* would be the humiliation?

No. The humiliation would be allowing this cretin to go to Ground Zero. The left could exploit that as a political opportunity by taking a hardline against letting him go down there and then bashing Bush for letting it happen if and when it does happen.

I think we just said the same thing. I follow you now. But that’s what the right is doing: howling about the possibility of him going there and then bashing the admin if he does. You wouldn’t seriously expect the left to take the same tack?

Anwyn on September 24, 2007 at 12:16 PM

Because, seriously, they have to be assuming the administration doesn’t want him there whether the admin says so or not. So their absolutely automatic response is that he’s got just as much right to come as Tony Blair.

Anwyn on September 24, 2007 at 12:19 PM

I say let the little bastage go to ground zero, but only if the minute he lays his wreath the US Military fires off the first round of that speculated strike on 2700 targets in Iran.

doriangrey on September 24, 2007 at 12:21 PM

OK, Arafat was denied UN access, but he wasn’t the head of a recognized UN nation, no?

But I agree…let him speak, and get him out of here.

JetBoy on September 24, 2007 at 12:21 PM

I’m listening to Ahmadinnerjacket at the Nat’l Press Club via CSPAN2. What a rambling load of crap.

CP on September 24, 2007 at 12:22 PM

God and love…….I’m gonna be sick.

Limerick on September 24, 2007 at 12:22 PM

[right2bright on September 24, 2007 at 12:14 PM]

I’m neither implying that or hold that view, r2b.

I’m asking how it is possible to visit the UN without a visa and, by implication, whether it has been done before. If a visa is not needed, how was Arafat kept out and why did Assad and Abbas decide not to go in 2005 merely because it was taking a long time to get a visa, ’cause after all one needen’t have one?

Dusty on September 24, 2007 at 12:26 PM

Live vote on MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20953344/

Should Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad be permitted to speak at Columbia University? * 15353 responses

Yes 43%
No 52%
I’m not sure 2.2%
I don’t care 2.9%

William Amos on September 24, 2007 at 12:27 PM

How about the fact that a federal district judge slapped Iran with a $2.65 billion judgment three weeks ago stemming from the 1983 Marine barracks bombing?The president at the time was the current supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. If they want a visa, let them pay.

Now, now, now, AP. You’re making too much sense. That would be too easy.

Mcguyver on September 24, 2007 at 12:27 PM

Well dinnerjacket is issuing the traditional Islamic declaration of war against the United States.

doriangrey on September 24, 2007 at 12:29 PM

This might be the worst speech I’ve ever heard. What the hell is he talking about? Reminds me of a bad college philosophy class….

World B. Free on September 24, 2007 at 12:30 PM

Are there any other “dignitaries” visiting Ground Zero?

Anyone know where Chavez is? Assad?

Didn’t Ahmadinejad come here last year? I don’t recall him wanting to go down there any time before this.

JammieWearingFool on September 24, 2007 at 12:30 PM

LOL…he just used the Lenin model of the role of the press to berate the media…..and they will give him a pass on it.

Limerick on September 24, 2007 at 12:32 PM

The loudest, most obnoxious, anarchist, tantrum-throwing fools getting all the attention in this country are the progressive left. Yet they are a minority. These anti-Americans have been pushing and poking hard. So much so, that the slumbering majority is being irritated into awakening and is gathering the energy to flex its powerful muscle.

The outrage that people feel, about the iranian thug-in-chief desecrating the WTC site with his propaganda-serving presence, will only add to the momentum. Historically, our country will only act and triumph when pushed to the wall by outrageous attacks that “live in infamy.” It’s inevitable and unfortunately necessary. It appears that the deterioration of our culture and honor, by our indulgence and political appeasement of the vocal minority, means 9/11 just wasn’t enough.

blue sky on September 24, 2007 at 12:33 PM

I tried i really tired but when that goat F%^$ing tool started talking his crap i almost kicked in my television.
Can he be pelted with raw bacon as a form of performance art?

Mojack420 on September 24, 2007 at 12:37 PM

While he’s at it…….Why doesn’t someone take Iminajihad to some choicer sections of Harlem. Let him walk up to the 100′s to say, BillyJeff’s office. Have someone put out a story on the street the Iminajihad ordered the killing of Biggie, Tupac, etc., and Diddy is next. Problem solved!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 24, 2007 at 12:39 PM

Taze him and arrest him?

ThackerAgency on September 24, 2007 at 11:50 AM

I’d love to see that!!!

jdawg on September 24, 2007 at 12:44 PM

But with respect to the fringe, at least, you’d be wrong.

HuffPo? That’s not the fringe…that’s the base. Well, OK…so Gravel’s the fringe of the base.

flipflop on September 24, 2007 at 12:50 PM

Arafat was never, contrary to his delusions, a head of state. We cannot deny heads of state bound for certain UN functions (like the GA) visas. We can restrict their movements otherwise, but we can’t Madhi out in this case unless we’re in an active and avowed military conflict with his nation.

Number 2 on September 24, 2007 at 12:52 PM

Condi Rice has been a disgrace as Sec of State.

Someday our State Department is going to have to actually stand up for OUR interests but as long as we have a non-ending stream of gutless fools in there, that time will never come.

VinceP1974 on September 24, 2007 at 12:55 PM

Dusty on September 24, 2007 at 12:26 PM

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
I think we can give limited visas and restrict movement.

right2bright on September 24, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Bush: Ahmadinejad speech to Columbia “OK with me…”

Earlier Monday, President Bush said that while he’s “not sure” he would have offered the head of a state sponsor of terror a platform from which to outline his agenda, he thinks it’s OK that Columbia University did invite Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak.

“This is a place of high learning and if the president (of Columbia) thinks it’s a good idea to have the leader from Iran come and talk to the students as an educational experience, I guess it’s OK with me,” Bush told FOX News in an interview. “The problem is Ahmadinejad uses these platforms to advance his agenda, which I suspect in this case … He doesn’t want America to know his true intentions.”

Slublog on September 24, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Those quotes by Bush that Slublog posted are so outrageous.

I can’t wait for this man [Bush] to be gone.

VinceP1974 on September 24, 2007 at 1:07 PM

President Bush said that while he’s “not sure” he would have offered the head of a state sponsor of terror a platform from which to outline his agenda, he thinks it’s OK that Columbia University did invite Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak.

Nice one George. Your “not sure” but then “Ok” with it. Nice way to stay focused and on message about how much of a threat Iran is.

FireFly on September 24, 2007 at 1:13 PM

November 26, 1988

Reagan.

amerpundit on September 24, 2007 at 12:07 PM

MadisonConservative on September 24, 2007 at 12:11 PM

INC on September 24, 2007 at 1:17 PM

Nowhere will you find a more pithy expression of the impotence and tone-deafness of the administration on this than Condi Rice — who, as head of the State Department, could have denied him a visa

Pathetic. Embarrassing. Disgraceful.

PRCalDude on September 24, 2007 at 1:20 PM

Not good enough? How about the fact that a federal district judge slapped Iran with a $2.65 billion judgment three weeks ago stemming from the 1983 Marine barracks bombing? The president at the time was the current supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. If they want a visa, let them pay.

How about the fact that many of the Americans taken in the 1979 embassy hijacking have identified Ahmedinejad as being one of the hijackers, and that he was the most violent one, often calling for the hostages to be tortured or worse?

PRCalDude on September 24, 2007 at 1:25 PM

This is a golden opportunity for them to take the mantle of anti-Islamist crusader while scoring points off Bush.

Not at all. To do that would be to admit that Iran is associated with terrorism which would in turn be an admission that

1. there is a problem with terrorists that is beyond Bin Laden.
2. that terrorism wouldn’t just disappear if we withdrew from Iraq.
3. that there is such a thing as Islamism / Caliphascism.
4. that Iran is not a fine, upstanding nation trying to live in peace with the rest of the world.
5. that something (terrorism from Iran) is not Bush’s fault.
6. that some problem isn’t America’s fault.
7. that it is reasonable to hold anti-Western leaders to account for their actions.

None of that can be conceded, so it’s an non-starter for the left.

Annoying Old Guy on September 24, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Regarding the judgement against Iran, if nothing else, they should have the Sheriff, or Bailiff (or whichever court official does these things) sieze the Iran Air jet he came in on. And the fuel in its tanks. And the funds used to pay for the fuel. And anything else lying around on the plane.

A little creativity and aggressiveness goes a long way in these things.

Blaise on September 24, 2007 at 2:02 PM

International law is crap. Any and all current or former members of the Iranian government should be apprehended and killed whenever possible. Same for all members of other terrorist supporting and communist governments. All out war, everywhere. They’ve been doing it to us for decades, and we have neither the courage nor the will to fight back for our safety.

Having the UN in NYC just makes the first step in this policy easier. Grab all the terrorists and commies t the UN, announce the new policy, then bring in the Spandau ballet company. It’s well past time for serious action.

libertarianuberalles on September 24, 2007 at 2:21 PM

Only two possibilities available…

1) move the protests a few blocks uptown, effectively creating a road block with a wider radius.

2) it is up to the NYPD. they may even have to go up against the secret service.

Unlikely as neither organization were organized enough to plan for this likelihood.

Agrippa2k on September 24, 2007 at 2:22 PM

…then bring in the Spandau ballet company.

libertarianuberalles on September 24, 2007 at 2:21 PM

True.

James on September 24, 2007 at 2:26 PM

LtE126 on September 24, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Lieutenant, my instincts are the same — blame the New York leftist wimps. But I’m from Chicago, and the pussies in New York have nothing on the f*cking nitwits that run Illinois and Chicago. I’ve got Durbin and Obama – they’ve got Shrillary and Schemer. It’s a draw.

They have Columbia, we have Northwestern. Meh.

As I read the scathing comments from Bollinger (whom I have been reaming), I see that he had bigger stones on this than Bush.

Condi called Iran the greatest state sponsor of terrorism, and then sat by with her thumb up her *ss while he waltzed into Morningside.

We get the government we deserve.

Jaibones on September 24, 2007 at 4:06 PM

Bush is a disgrace. He tried his best to give our country away with that crap amnesty bill. Now, he finds nothing wrong with letting a terrorist that he KNOWS is killing our troops, roam free in America…

JWS on September 24, 2007 at 5:19 PM

Bush is a disgrace. He tried his best to give our country away with that crap amnesty bill. Now, he finds nothing wrong with letting a terrorist that he KNOWS is killing our troops, roam free in America…

JWS on September 24, 2007 at 5:19 PM

Agreed. He’s been a total disaster and led me to never, ever, compromise on a pseudo-conservative again. Hunter 08.

PRCalDude on September 24, 2007 at 7:11 PM

Who gives a shit. Everyone hates us anyway. Mainly ’cause we have balls. So have some balls.

LtE126 on September 24, 2007 at 11:52 AM

If we had balls, we would have shot him down using an F-22. It isn’t like they could detect the plane attacking him, plausible deniably.

Tim Burton on September 24, 2007 at 7:59 PM

There’s a video of the cops kicking out a Pro-American 9/11 suvivor from the WTC

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/09/the-zero-is-a-n.html

It’s absolutely infuriating. WTF kind of country is this… how long are we going to tolerate this.

VinceP1974 on September 24, 2007 at 8:56 PM