Are they both reading the same book and interpreting it differently, or are their two books like the “Old and New Testaments” where one chooses the meanings of their chosen deity.

That or we could all throw our support behind Obama, I guess.

On a more serious note, It is interesting to see a muslim cleric arguing against war. Do you think it may be because they are facing ultimate failure in all they do?

They need time to regroup and so propose a temporary ceasfire just like Muhammad’s Treaty with the Meccans at Hudaibiyyah. Pretty standard Muslim tactic.

Same old shitty song and dance. When are we going to learn?

….It is interesting to see a Muslim cleric arguing against war. Do you think it may be
because they are facing ultimate failure in all they do?

….prior to 9-11. Every day since then has

brought the darkness which is Islam into the light of rational thinking.

Could these attacks on Osama by like minded muslims be acts of self preservation? Are they trying to stop the hemmoraging of their jihadists and supplies? Funny how on the eve of 9-11 all these trash talking muslims were on Osama’s side.

Funny that after they have had their asses kicked all over the middle east that NOW they don’t agree with him anymore.

Guardian on September 23, 2007 at 2:11 PM

Dam you’re good!…. So good it needed more highlighting.

It’s definitely an oblique admission of defeat on the jihadist’s part.

Thanks AP, for posting this, your humor and your analysis of the subject.

let’s make a deal with Benazir Bhutto or Nawaz Sharif that trades U.S. support for their leadership in return for sustained operations in the tribal areas.

But it’s not Musharraf’s role as president that gives him power; his role as Chief of the Army does that. Without the support of the Army Bhutto or Nawaz will look good on TV giving orders no one will follow. The army is under-motivated to fight in the tribal areas to say the least. The same ethnic divisions that split the nation split the army.

There are no official figures about the ethnic background of officers or men, yet according to Stephen Cohen of the Brookings Institution and Prof Hasan Askari Rizvi, Pashtun representation in the army is between 15-22 percent among officers and between 20-25 percent among men. Pashtuns from the NWFP and tribal areas together comprise only 16 percent of the country’s overall population, while Punjab, which represents 56 percent of the population, provides 65 percent of officers and 70 percent of men.

Nawaz is seen as a shill for Punjabi business interests, and a corrupt one at that. Bhutto’s husband is known as “Mr. Ten Percent” because of his massive kickback scheme. These figures will not unite Pakistan and may actually make things worse (gulp).

The best we can hope for is a compromise with Bhutto as president (if they drop the outstanding corruption charges against her) and some non-Pashtun general as Army Chief. Then Musharraf can quietly fade into exile abroad. That is a delicate dance to pull off. The odds are small and the window of opportunity short. Presidential elections are scheduled for 10/6 with general elections some time after. That’s if Musharraf doesn’t declare martial law and drive Pakistan to the edge of an unprecedented disaster.

Just kidding,,,, but seriously AQ you guys should think about that, actually Zawahiri was once held by Egypt US apostate ally hmmmm

What is so stupid about Hollywood to me is that how this GWOT is fought in large part in the shadows their really is no limit to the movies that could be spun off. But then I guess having the good guys win US would be carrying Bush’s water so we get never ending LLL garbage that has pulled the lowest box office numbers ever. Pitiful..

There’s reason to doubt.

This is what happens when they are Muslim first, Pakistani second.

The Soviets had to send money, tanks, troops, “advisors”, pilots and airplanes to spread Communism and turn a country into a satellite.

All these guys need to do is send in a few zealots, scare the locals and wait….

On a more serious note, It is interesting to see a muslim cleric arguing against war. Do you think it may be because they are facing ultimate failure in all they do?

Islam is suffering ever increasing hatred from non-muslims and facts are meeting the fiction of Islam in ways that weren’t possible before. Most non-muslims were oblivious to islam prior to 9-11. Every day since then has brought the darkness which is Islam into the light of rational thinking.

Could these attacks on Osama by like minded muslims be acts of self preservation? Are they trying to stop the hemmoraging of their jihadists and supplies? Funny how on the eve of 9-11 all these trash talking muslims were on Osama’s side. Funny that after they have had their asses kicked all over the middle east that NOW they don’t agree with him anymore.

I got 10 bucks on Team Zawahiri !