Video: Rudy takes a phone call — during his NRA speech
posted at 2:57 pm on September 21, 2007 by Allahpundit
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He played it for laughs to lighten the mood before a polite but unfavorably disposed audience.
It … did not succeed.
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Oooh. Bad sign when you’re the only one laughing at your joke.
Tennman on September 21, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Well that was, um, awkward.
Slublog on September 21, 2007 at 3:03 PM
Bad choice for Rudy. He was obviously trying to break the ice with a group he knew was going to be a tough crowd.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 3:03 PM
putz!
scooter on September 21, 2007 at 3:03 PM
Once a gun grabber… always a gun grabber. I don’t trust this guy one bit.
Maxx on September 21, 2007 at 3:04 PM
Was that a Star Trek communicator?
Kini on September 21, 2007 at 3:05 PM
That’s OK his support for our second amendment is a joke too.
Speakup on September 21, 2007 at 3:05 PM
I didn’t think it went badly…
Canerican on September 21, 2007 at 3:06 PM
yuck, yuck, yuck
RushBaby on September 21, 2007 at 3:07 PM
Was that crickets I heard in the background?
CP on September 21, 2007 at 3:10 PM
I like it better when he is the tough guy. Leave the comedy to…
I guess no one is politics is funny anymore.
right2bright on September 21, 2007 at 3:10 PM
Weird. Either planned or spontaneous, that’s just weird.
Spirit of 1776 on September 21, 2007 at 3:10 PM
Meh. It was a tossaway.
Giuliani has been pretty clear: he’ll make it a state’s rights issue. Kansas ain’t New York.
TallDave on September 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Which wife called him?
VolMagic on September 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Was Norman Hsu calling looking for a pardon?
JammieWearingFool on September 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM
HE’S FINISHED.
Allahpundit on September 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM
To say the least. That went over just as well Waffles non-joke about education and Iraq.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 21, 2007 at 3:14 PM
LOL… That was uncharacteristically trollish of you, AP. But I agree. :-)
DaveS on September 21, 2007 at 3:16 PM
Doh……..officially kicked to the curb by AP…thats gonna leave a mark…but wait…what if Rudy got you a iPhone???
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 3:16 PM
The Constitution isn’t a states rights thingy. The Second Ammendment pertains to every state. Free Speech (the First Ammendment) isn’t a ’states rights’ issue. NO CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES ARE NOT STATES RIGHTS ISSUES. New York can not ban guns and still maintain its residents’ Constitutional rights.
ThackerAgency on September 21, 2007 at 3:18 PM
Well, in that case…
HE’S STILL FINISHED.
Allahpundit on September 21, 2007 at 3:18 PM
As a certified Fred! man I don’t think any of the top four are finished. Each one has strengths and weaknesses (depending on your flavor of choice). I keep saying it and will say it again…..outside events between now and Feb will decide this thing. Iran, Israel, Pak, who knows? But the wind is blowing and it will decide who ends up in the box.
Limerick on September 21, 2007 at 3:18 PM
That was painful.
gmaninatl on September 21, 2007 at 3:19 PM
ugh my edits are bad. NO CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES ARE STATES RIGHTS ISSUES.
Really, I edit it in my head, fix it and then forget to re-proofread it. I’m just lazy.
ThackerAgency on September 21, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Between memories of this and his blathering on the effectiveness of the Brady bill in reducing crime to Sean Hannity immediately following the Republican debate a few weeks ago, I just can’t believe that he suddenly supports the right to keep and bear arms.
Frankly, I consider allowing a phone call to interrupt a speech quite rude. As an NRA member, I find Rudy’s disrespect in this case rather insulting. It’s even worse if it was some kind of staged stunt.
Sorry Rudy, I’m not convinced.
mojojojo on September 21, 2007 at 3:19 PM
…this is five times the idiotic play considering that he’s one of the worst possible republicans on record towards the second amendment.
I repeat, if he’s the GOP candidate, I’m voting third party or staying home.
MadisonConservative on September 21, 2007 at 3:20 PM
I hate cell phones.
locomotivebreath1901 on September 21, 2007 at 3:20 PM
Blatantly staged. It’s almost as bad as Silky Pony using his wife to defend him; Rudy knows he’s in unfriendly territory and is hoping that bringing his wife into it he won’t get beat up as badly.
Given that Rudy sued gun manufacturers for the actions of criminals who illegally used a product made and distributed completely legally, I don’t buy his phony states rights stance. He’d sign new gun control legislation if it hit his desk just as Romney says he’d also do.
Hollowpoint on September 21, 2007 at 3:22 PM
Bob Newhart is alive, well, and runnig for President!
http://www.bobnewhart.com/
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on September 21, 2007 at 3:24 PM
Those of us who value the second amendment don’t take kindly to joking about it. The liberals aren’t satisfied with reasonable limits on the 2nd. The scum are completely committed to snatching every single firearm they can get their hands on.
Don’t try to make funny Rudy. No one is laughing except for the left who marginalize you for coming off like Oliver Twist begging for more gruel.
” Please Sirs, May I Have Some More?”
csdeven on September 21, 2007 at 3:27 PM
LOL. Rudi “Eddie Haskell” Giuliani. “Why, Yes, Mr. Cleaver, I respect gun rights!”
jaime on September 21, 2007 at 3:30 PM
I see that ThackerAgency beat me to the punch. So I’ll just add, Giuliani is ignorant of this nations Constitution and the Bill of Rights, like most politicians. And they wonder why we don’t trust them.
cmdrsubfleet on September 21, 2007 at 3:30 PM
I thought he was your guy.
Esthier on September 21, 2007 at 3:31 PM
What an insult to the membership of the NRA (which I am one). Telling the NRA that the people who can reach him by phone are more important than they.
That’s why they have voice mail service, Rudi.
I don’t see and endorsement from the NRA.
Helloyawl on September 21, 2007 at 3:32 PM
Nah, the big A dumps on Rudy every chance he gets. My bet is that the big A is rooting for Edwards.
JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 3:33 PM
The pen may be greater than the sword and in this case the phone is greater than the gun.
JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 3:34 PM
I’m amused that you think since, if you put a gun to my head, I’d probably vote for Rudy.
The fact is, though, the social cons don’t like him and he does have a nasty demagogic impulse.
Allahpundit on September 21, 2007 at 3:35 PM
Still a abortionist and gun grabber, always will be.
A leopard may hide his spots to fool his prey, but they are revealed in the bloodbath that follows.
Rudy said “”Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety”.
No Rudy, the right to change our goverment, and self defense comes from our Creator and is affirmed by the 2nd Amendment.
Rudy believes if the crime rate goes up, you lose your rights.
Dersu on September 21, 2007 at 3:39 PM
?
Did that comment get flushed?
RushBaby on September 21, 2007 at 3:43 PM
I’m fairly certain that was safe bet long ago.
I don’t necessarily like him, but I’ll take any R (except for Ron Paul) over any D. Most people I know don’t see much of a difference any more, but the terrorism and the war have really drawn a line in the sand.
Esthier on September 21, 2007 at 3:45 PM
Seems like the opposite should be true.
Esthier on September 21, 2007 at 3:46 PM
I think it’s gonna come down to Mitt and Fred, and unless Fred pulls a real boner, he’s gonna get the nod. Here’s why:
McCain is dead in the water, with the lead weight of amnesty tied around his neck.
Social cons hate Rudy, plus he’s anti-gun and ran a sanctuary city.
Too many people think Mitt is too slick and way too many don’t like the fact that he’s a Mormon.
Huckabee turned off anti-nanny-state conservatives with his national smoking ban, and he’s too far behind. Plus, admit it, President “Huckabee” just doesn’t cut it on the
international stage.IrishEi on September 21, 2007 at 3:49 PM
That was……………Strange!
I don’t get it Rudy, but that is the wrong crowd to bomb with. Without the NRA endorsment, forget the nomination.
conservnut on September 21, 2007 at 3:50 PM
Where does one go to become certified?
scooter on September 21, 2007 at 3:52 PM
I expect a Mitt and Fred race in the end too. Although I can’t call it for Fred yet. I expect Mitt to pick up a lot of the Rudy drop offs and Fred to get a lot of the McCain supporters.
I fully expect it to be a horse race at the end.
conservnut on September 21, 2007 at 3:53 PM
Yeah, sure he’s finished. Just like he was last month, back in July, and every time he has run into a little resistance. He hasn’t even engaged his republican opponents yet, except for that spat he had with Romney over sanctuary cities a couple of weeks ago. At the time everybody was saying that he’s vulnerable on the issue, but who, may I ask, won that one?
Big S on September 21, 2007 at 3:53 PM
The NRA will not endorse until after the nominees are selected by the 2 parties, as I understand it.
Dersu on September 21, 2007 at 3:56 PM
Romney.
jaime on September 21, 2007 at 3:58 PM
Actually, come to think of it, if this were staged, it might have been a smart move. This clip is the only thing that anyone will remember about the speech, but listen to what he’s saying when the phone rings…that the 2nd amendment is just as important as any of the others, and that the wording of it states that “the people” have the right to bear arms. Any time this clip is played, people will hear him saying that.
Big S on September 21, 2007 at 4:05 PM
Please. I’m getting dizzy.
jaime on September 21, 2007 at 4:09 PM
I agree.
IrishEi on September 21, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Not an authority but….leaving it up to the states doesn’t seem like such a bad idea. If any state decides on a gun ban, it then could be tested against the Constitution where it would most certainly lose? thereby reinforcing the amendment? It would keep very liberal states in check?
jeanie on September 21, 2007 at 4:14 PM
If you’re a Fredhead, you already are.
Anyway, this was dumb. Really dumb. GFJ Guiliani, way to make yourself appear even more lame in front of a group that dispises you. You could have at least set your tune to Guns N Roses.
BKennedy on September 21, 2007 at 4:14 PM
From TPMElection.com
Take a look:
Dersu on September 21, 2007 at 4:15 PM
Aarrgghhh! Where’d everything go?
Wanted to add that there is still a slight possibility that Newt will jump in. Just read somewhere that if he can come up with $30 million he will consider it…sometime in November. I would vote for Newt in a heartbeat but far too many people (conservatives included) think he hasn’t got a prayer in the general.
IrishEi on September 21, 2007 at 4:15 PM
It was funny when it couldn’t happen and an act, then it was humorous when the tech first allowed it. Now, it’s an annoyance.
Now if she had been calling to remind him to thank the NRA for all it’s done in defending our 2nd amendment rights, the stunt would have been a hit. As it is, he was allowing himself to be rude to his audience and makes me wonder if I would have to endure the same c**p during his SOTU addresses.
Dusty on September 21, 2007 at 4:16 PM
I disagree. Maybe in your mind, he won the debate, but it did not translate into increased support for him or decreased support for Giuliani. A draw on an issue like that is a “win” for Rudy.
Big S on September 21, 2007 at 4:21 PM
From that vid I linked above.
Rudy’s wife is learning to speak spanish, then she can deliver his speech for him.
That really impresses me.
PUKE
Dersu on September 21, 2007 at 4:21 PM
But those who think the second amendment provides an individual with an unfettered right to carry military hardware (including cluster bombs, urainium tipped artillery and suitcase nukes) are certifiably nutz. And many of those loons were in that room with him. If you can’t have a laugh at the insane, what’s this world coming to?
Rudy grabbed guns in NYC, but do you really want 8 million well armed New Yorkers??? No thanks, I choose life.
tommylotto on September 21, 2007 at 4:26 PM
You know what would be interesting, Big S? Seeing you defend Giuliani’s lawsuit against the gun manufacturers. Maybe you could put it in terms that I could understand.
jaime on September 21, 2007 at 4:31 PM
Yep, if you’re the only one laughing it’s not funny. Used to tell my daughter that every time she goofed up and tried to laugh about it.
There will be no vote from me for anyone that does not come out clearly against illegal immigration and supports efforts at protecting this country from the nutjobs in the ME. All the other issues can be fixed.
24K lady on September 21, 2007 at 4:32 PM
Dang, that was cold!
CP on September 21, 2007 at 4:37 PM
I think this does a good job of showing Rudy’s opinion on gun control. Everyone at that meeting knows that they should have their cell phones turned off during a meeting, but Rudy takes the exception. Rudy would also be glad to sign a bill preventing gun ownership, with him being the exception. Like with his cell phone, he can have one, but no one else should. The hypocrisy goes beyond his cell phone’s range.
I wonder if the audience in that meeting can sue the cell phone manufacture for interrupting their meeting?
KCtheKat on September 21, 2007 at 4:45 PM
Aw, come on! I thought that was kind of cute.
Kensington on September 21, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Allah, your link goes to an article from February.
BadgerHawk on September 21, 2007 at 5:02 PM
And for what it’s worth, I grew up on a farm hunting. My dad owns over 40 firearms, including 3 .45 pistols and a .50 sniper rifle. He’s got 4 bears that he shot in the attic and is a devout NRA member. But he and I both think that in a place like New York people shouldn’t be able to run around the streets with whatever kind of hardware they want to.
BadgerHawk on September 21, 2007 at 5:06 PM
You got it Toyota, a right wing (not that Rudy is a right winger) candidate won’t see the Whitehouse without the NRA, second amendment advocates are serious about their cause.
Just another good reason why Rudy isn’t likely to beat HillBill, especially since she just had a fresh coat of Teflon app-lied last week.
Speakup on September 21, 2007 at 5:07 PM
Back in mid August in a thread here at HotAir titled, Rudy on immigration, civil unions: I’m a conservative too!, I wrote, “Let me know if Rudy ever insults my intelligence by deciding to start supporting the second amendment so that I can be appropriately offended.”
I’ll stand by that comment…
FloatingRock on September 21, 2007 at 5:10 PM
Once you admit that some sort of limitation on an individual’s right to carry military hardware (such as weilding a shoulder launched anti-aircraft missile in a flight path) is permissible under the constitution, you admit that some reasonable gun control is permissible. Then it becomes a matter of what is reasonable.
Any right under the bill of rights can be checked by a compelling state interest. Does that not assume that one State might have a compelling state interest that is different from another State? The particulars of living in a densely populated city like NYC are different from the fly over states — the different states have different interests. It is only logical that said interests would only become compelling enough to overide a person’s second amendment rights depending on where in the country you are (i.e., what State’s interests the individual is impacting). His stated position on the second amendment is the only logical legal position to hold. Whether you believe him is another question, which will be based on who’s propoganda you listen to.
I agree the decision to file the lawsuit against gun manufacturers was not Rudy’s finest moment, but it was not totally deranged. He alleged that gun manufacturers were intentionally flooding NYC with guns that they knew were in violation of the local gun control laws. If he could prove there was that specific intent (as opposed to just selling guns legally in the surrounding states), the case would have legal merit. For example, if the gun manufacters set up outlet stores just outside the city limits and offered a 10% discount to NYC residence, it would be hard to argue that the manufactures were not trying to frustrate the NYC gun laws. What I suspect is that Rudy was using the lawsuit as a bargaining chip (or club) to get reasonable concessions from the gun manufacturers.
tommylotto on September 21, 2007 at 5:12 PM
FloatingRock on September 21, 2007 at 5:10 PM
You’d be offended either way.
Big S on September 21, 2007 at 5:12 PM
thats as far as I read, with all due respect, I’m sure you are a fine lawyer…But screw you……i refues to admit that for even one single second, why you ask?
If I have to say any more then you are too stupid to understand what I might have to say.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 5:17 PM
How do you figure?
FloatingRock on September 21, 2007 at 5:18 PM
The vast majority of people do not harm others.
So to answer your question, yes, I do want 8 million well armed New Yorkers. Were that the case, those who wish to do harm to others will find themselves out gunned.
Esthier on September 21, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Answering the phone was simply rude and disrespectful of his audience, regardless of whether it was real or staged. If someone answered their phone while Rudy was talking or listening to them, he’d probably smack them upside the head without hesitation and with great justification. Stupid move.
aero on September 21, 2007 at 5:35 PM
The only way to protect the people from the tyranny of a nuclear armed state is to have a nuclear armed citizenry. If you agree with that, why the hell would you agree we should have gone into Iraq looking for WMD — wasn’t Saddam just exercising the same rights that you and I have under the second amendment to bear nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Or is it possible that when it comes to the second amendment, you and alot of other people are certifiably nutz.
tommylotto on September 21, 2007 at 5:45 PM
if rudy cannot stand up to his wife, he cannot stand up to .. yada yada yada
lorien1973 on September 21, 2007 at 5:49 PM
I suppose “Eddie Haskell” Giuliani supports tort reform?
jaime on September 21, 2007 at 5:49 PM
Well, if he didn’t support the second amendment, and thought that it was OK to infringe upon your Constitutional rights, you’d be OK with it?
Big S on September 21, 2007 at 5:55 PM
Come on dorian, easy on the name calling. Stuff like 50 round banana clips and armor piercing rounds didn’t exist back then. There obviously has to be come limit to what people can carry around. You can’t honestly believe it’s ok to mount a .50 cal to the back of your pick up truck or carry around a LAW in your duffel bag. The problem is defining the limit. The left says restrict almost everything, the NRA says f*** off.
BadgerHawk on September 21, 2007 at 6:14 PM
And just like magic, the mask drops.
Mike H on September 21, 2007 at 6:16 PM
I hope you mean the mask of the insanity of an unlimited second amendment. I hope you don’t mean the mask of my hidden liberalism or some such nonsense. I believed and believe the war was the right thing to do. The statement above was a logical argument designed to should the absurdity of doriangrey’s position. How can he claim that every US citizen has the right to carry WMD, but the government of Iraq does not. Anyone who would hold that position would be an illogical fringe lunatic. Surely you are not one of those are you?
tommylotto on September 21, 2007 at 6:28 PM
should = show
tommylotto on September 21, 2007 at 6:30 PM
And you should not, he hates guns, has never held one, shot one, hunted with one, bottomline he is not a gun person.
And if he is elected president he will easily forget all about what he told the NRA.
AprilOrit on September 21, 2007 at 6:42 PM
jaime on September 21, 2007 at 6:50 PM
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 5:17 PM
Since you are so fond of quoting the Founders (usually as a non sequitur, but I digress) do you think that, say, Jefferson would say that the First Amendment means that there are no limits on free speech and as such there can be no such thing as community standards?
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Great WMD analogy BTW.
Did you happen to catch Dorien’s bizarro email to Bloomberg yesterday? If you didn’t see it, let me know and I’ll dig it up for you. He’s very proud of it, so he won’t mind.
Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 6:55 PM
I see what you mean, but no, I’m not offended that Rudy doesn’t support the 2nd amendment; only that he expects people like me to believe that he actually supports the 2nd amendment now that he wants to be president, apparently really very badly. Obviously it’s nothing but another blatant pander. If it’s an honest change of heart on Rudy’s part then good for him. I hope that if he fails to get the nomination, (which would be my preference), he will go back to NY and try to undo the damage he caused to the Bill of Rights.
FloatingRock on September 21, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Comedy isn’t Rudy’s strong suit. But I’d still vote for him over the tax raising socialists running on the other side.
SoulGlo on September 21, 2007 at 7:08 PM
That’s really all it boils down to isn’t it SoulGlo. I’m an independant so I don’t even know why I bother in these primary debates. I’ll be voting Republican come November unless by some Satanic curse Ron Paul gets the nomination.
BadgerHawk on September 21, 2007 at 7:20 PM
Oh please. The Bill of Rights is doing just fine, except where Liberal Courts have tried to redefine it (such as where Freedom of Religion was redefined to mean Freedom from Religion). New York is doing really well also, and we can thank Rudy for that.
What is it with people who oppose all gun control and hyperbole? What is it you imagine Rudy would do as President that scares you so? Appoint judges who would rule that we cannot possess any guns at all?
Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 7:24 PM
3 Down and OUT…
RUDY, McCAIN, and FREDDY..NowLUKEMITT now. The force is with youLUKEMITT…Legions on September 21, 2007 at 7:37 PM
I found it interesting that he said the “2nd amendment is a freedom just as important as any other freedom in the first 10 amendments.” Anyone else catch what word he pointedly left out of his comments? RIGHT! The 2nd Amendment rights are just as important as the rights ensured by the rest of the Bill of Rights. Maybe I’m being overly analytical and nitpicky here, but in my mind a “freedom” is not the same as a “right”.
I have the freedom to drive around on the public system of roads, however, it is not a right. The state can revoke my freedom to do so by revoking my driver’s license or declaring my car illegal to drive. The state cannot revoke my right to keep and bear arms, my right to free speech, my right to be protected against illegal search and seizure, etc. It is our rights which secure our freedoms, not our freedoms which secure our rights.
Methinks ol’ Rudy said much much more than he intended about his world and constitutional views.
deepdiver on September 21, 2007 at 9:53 PM
Generally I agree with most of what you say, however, on this point you are way off base. The need for armed citizenry to be able to combat a tyrannical government has long since past. Unfortunate, but true. As was mentioned by someone else on this post, the country has nuclear war heads; the citizens have none. The only way to protect from a tyrannical government now is to inform the public of the true benefits of conservatism and hope that if our military was ever ordered to attack citizens en mass, they would refuse and over throw the corrupt government that ordered them to do so.
Troy Rasmussen on September 21, 2007 at 9:56 PM
I gave up on Rudy in February, when that story first came out.
And no, if he does get the nomination, I will not support him. I’m tired of holding my nose and giving my support to ‘barely suitable’ candidates, those who are pretend conservatives. It might take 8 more years of Clinton to bring Conservatives back to the Republican Party. Worth the wait, if the country can survive another Clinton.
‘Dump the Neocons’. Unless Fred! and/or Newt gets the nomination, there’s no other alternative.
Serr8d on September 21, 2007 at 10:10 PM
Rudy’s on right now, on NRA News…
Serr8d on September 21, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Not necessarily. If someone knocks on my door and insists I wear a burka, I’ll be counting on the Second Amendment to straighten the dude out.
Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 10:18 PM
I understand, but if they were Marines and had a Platoon backing them up you wouldn’t get very far in your rebellion.
p.s. I’m not a military person so I don’t know if Marines are organized into platoons or whatever.
Troy Rasmussen on September 21, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Troy Rasmussen on September 21, 2007 at 10:40 PM
I picture them taking over through an insidious demographic overload. One day there will be more of them than us and they’ll want to replace the Constitution with Sharia Law.
However, under that scenario they won’t have Marines backing them up.
Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Ahhh. I misunderstood. Your talking about Islam taking over. I get it. In that scenario your right. It will be a gradual, demographic change. I was just thinking about a tyrannical government in general.
And more tyrannical than BOOSH!!
Troy Rasmussen on September 21, 2007 at 10:51 PM
From the Feb 2007 WaPo article linked above (emphasis mine):
Anyone else read this RudyQuote about a border fence as being a tacit copout regarding a barrier that works (otherwise known as a WALL)?
Meanwhile the cellphone stunt, IMHO, was just plain stupid: an example of bad manners at its finest.
If by some miracle Rudy gets the Republican nomination, I’ll hold my nose and vote for him. But I hope like hell the Republican nominee is more aligned to the core values of the party base than Rudy. From what I’ve read, he’s not quite a Democrat, but as a Republican, he’s an empty suit.
Wanderlust on September 21, 2007 at 11:30 PM
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