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The notorious Jena case Update: Bail denied

posted at 11:18 am on September 21, 2007 by Bryan
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The Reverends Al and Jesse have once again parachuted into a small town to throw their weight around and relive the glory days of the Civil Rights Movement. Perhaps we’ll one day get to the point where the two reverends have become so radioactive that no one will look to them for any answers on any issue, but we’re not yet at that day. The MSM still treats them as credible, though one has blood on his hands and the other is a reverend in name only who has never led a church or even held down a real job. In a just world, the two reverends from the North would be mentioned alongside Louisiana’s own David Duke among the nation’s most notorious racists. Though northern white liberals would have us all think that racism is exclusively white and exclusively Southern, it’s neither.

But back to our story. This time, it’s Jena, Louisiana, which is currently embroiled in a case that is being compared to the Duke rape case, but in reverse: Six young black men stand accused of attempted murder for beating a young white man over an incident at the “white tree.”

The New York Times reports the sequence of events as follows.

They called it the White Tree. Not because of the color of its leaves or tint of its bark, but because of the kind of people who typically sat beneath its shade here at Jena High School.

And when a black student tried to defy that tradition by sitting under the tree last September, it set off a series of events that have turned this town of 3,000 in central Louisiana’s timber country into a flashpoint over the issue of racial bias in the criminal justice system.

Three nooses quickly appeared on the tree a day after the black student sat under it, and not long afterward, the authorities said a white student had been beaten by six black schoolmates. The white student was treated at a local hospital and released; the black students were charged, not with assault, but with attempted murder.

Wikipedia (with appropriate accuracy warning) has a useful timeline.

Racial tensions resurfaced in Jena on September 1, 2006, when hangman’s nooses were discovered in an oak tree on the campus of Jena High School after a black student had asked the vice principal if he and some friends could sit under the tree, where white students had typically congregated. The school administration recommended that the noose-hangers be expelled. The elected La Salle Parish School Board overruled the school, he and the three white student perpetrators received in-school suspension.[4][5][6] On November 30, 2006, an arson fire destroyed the main academic building at the school. On December 4, a fight broke out on campus, after which six African-American students, later dubbed the Jena 6,[7] were arrested and charged with attempted second-degree murder.

The black kid who sat under the tree showed courage; the noose hangers showed that racism is unfortunately alive and well.

But there were three months between the nooses and the attacks. There are claims that the intervening months were tense between black and white factions. That’s probably true. What’s less clear is the connection between the nooses and the attack. More on that below.

Attempted murder does look like an extreme charge to level at the six, since the victim was treated and released for his injuries on the day of the attack. If the six had wanted to murder the victim, numbers were definitely on their side. What the Times doesn’t report, though, is how the attack occurred or ended. Did the six fight the one after an argument, and did they get run off by some third parties in the middle of the attack, or did they plot the attack and slip up on the victim? Well, evidently it was the latter, according to Jason Whitlock.

There was no “schoolyard fight” as a result of nooses being hung on a whites-only tree.

Justin Barker, the white victim, was cold-cocked from behind, knocked unconscious and stomped by six black athletes. Barker, luckily, sustained no life-threatening injuries and was released from the hospital three hours after the attack.

I’m no lawyer, but if Whitlock’s account is accurate, that’s at least aggravated assault. If the attack was broken up by third parties in a way that prevented further injury to Barker, then yes, attempted murder would be among the reasonable charges the assailants could expect to face.

This gives us one important distinction between Jena and the Duke case: In Jena, the accused actually did something illegal. The only question is whether they’re facing reasonable or extreme charges, and if the charges are extreme, why that would be the case. The prosecutors seem to have answered that themselves when they scaled the charges back to aggravated battery and conspiracy. The conspiracy part goes to the overall charges’ seriousness, though, indicating premeditation as opposed to a schoolyard fight.

Whitlock goes on to describe how the case arrived at the point where the Jena Six faced such serious charges.

A black U.S. attorney, Don Washington, investigated the “Jena Six” case and concluded that the attack on Barker had absolutely nothing to do with the noose-hanging incident three months before. The nooses and two off-campus incidents were tied to Barker’s assault by people wanting to gain sympathy for the “Jena Six” in reaction to Walters’ extreme charges of attempted murder.

Much has been written about Bell’s trial, the six-person all-white jury that convicted him of aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated battery and the clueless public defender who called no witnesses and offered no defense. It is rarely mentioned that no black people responded to the jury summonses and that Bell’s public defender was black.

It’s almost never mentioned that Bell’s absentee father returned from Dallas and re-entered his son’s life only after Bell faced attempted-murder charges. At a bond hearing in August, Bell’s father and a parade of local ministers promised a judge that they would supervise Bell if he was released from prison.

So it’s not as cut and dried as the reverends would have the world think. Go figure. Jena is a chance for them to get back in the spotlight and be relevant again. Jesse and Al need cases like Jena.

Now, am I saying that there isn’t racial injustice in America today? No. Of course there is. But again, let’s look at the Duke comparison to understand how things are today. Yes, a black man faces more scrutiny on average than a white man. But it’s also a fact that black men commit a disproportionate share of crime. And it’s also true that an ambitious white DA can and did charge white men with a crime that they didn’t commit in order to curry favor with the same two reverends who have descended on Jena, among others, and those reverends convicted the Duke players in the court of public opinion before the case could even get to trial (which, thanks to the flimsiness of the evidence, it never got to). Those same reverends haven’t apologized for rushing to judgment against the Duke lacrosse players. They won’t apologize for making a crusade out of Jena either, even while they ignore inconvenient facts to make their case.

As things stand now, the one of the six who was convicted on the most serious charges, star athlete Mychal Bell, has had his conviction thrown out because he was tried as an adult though he was a juvenile at the time of the attack. He may be re-tried in juvenile court. That’s where he should have been tried to begin with.

By the way, Jason Whitlock, upon whose reporting I have based much of this post, is black.

(h/t on Jason Whitlock’s column to the boss.)

Update:
Reader Michael sent me a link to another great Jason Whitlock column on Jena. It’s too good to excerpt, so read the whole thing.

Update: Mychal Bell’s bail has been denied. And some idiot white teenagers from Alexandria, LA have been arrested for drunk driving and inciting a riot after driving past a crowd of people from yesterday’s march in Jena with a pair of nooses hanging from the back of their pick-up. The younger of those two claims to be involved with the KKK. A local cop summed up their arrest nicely.

“I wish we had a charge in Louisiana for aggravated ignorance, because this is a classic case,” [Police Sgt. Clifford] Gatlin said.

At the very least.


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No, it is standard DA tactics to charge as heavy as possible, so that you can get a plea bargain.

However it is unconscionable to inflame racial passions to try to get 6 thugs a free pass for their criminal activity.

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 6:18 PM

Looks like it didn’t work in this case. The Legion of Black Leaders came to the rescue.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 6:21 PM

The entire beating took place very quickly, and the witness statements are very conflicting. It was broken up within a matter of maybe 2 minutes (guesstimating here). Barker was up and walking around by the time the ambulance got there, and spent just about 3 hours in the ER. His CT scan was fine. Plenty of lacerations, bleeding like head wounds always do, swelling, etc. His mother said he had blood clots in his eye, but that would be in his follow up visits so I don’t know. He doubtless felt like crap for a couple of weeks, but he was well enough to attend his ring ceremony that night.

Wow, that guy’s a real whiner. I know, I know, you just want the perpetrators to be charged appropriately. Fine, but stop trying to downplay what happened.

I’m going to take a wild guess and say you’ve never been “jumped” or kicked in the head.

It was broken up within a matter of maybe 2 minutes (guesstimating here).

Start counting now – “One, one-thousand, two-one thousand” and “guesstimate” how many times you could be kicked or hit before you get to 120.

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 6:22 PM

much of this thread is an embarrassment unworthy of malkin, preston and apundit.

this is specifically on account of doriangrey and prcaldouche, the latter of who i’ve previously called out as a white nationalist troll.

jummy on September 21, 2007 at 4:33 PM

This need to be repeated. There are several more that could be added.

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 6:23 PM

I quoted that very part to her.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 6:20 PM

Me not read good.

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 6:23 PM

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 1:18 PM

Not sure why the animus against Amy Goodman. She pointed out that the principal quit when the school board (the DA) wouldn’t support his recommendation for expelling the students. He obviously felt strongly about it if he quit his job. But I think you and I are in agreement about it being totally blown out of all proportion.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Unless you are black, you prove my point “But we are not at the point yet where as a community many feel it is time to share the internal disputes”

Jaibones on September 21, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Where exactly did I say that whites are racist? Or even imply it for that matter? Where did I say whites commit more crimes against blacks than black against white? I said that most black crime is directed against other blacks. Which a thinking person would realize supports the fact that whites are at less risk from an attack from a black person than a black person is. GET IT?
Once again I sense Jaibones is jumping to conclusions after reading one or two posts instead of following the thread and reading all of the posts.

He merely identifies with his race. People of every race do so. Except for European-Americans.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 1:30 PM

Odd, considering I am European American myself.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 4:31 PM

Excellent post.

Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 6:23 PM

This need to be repeated. There are several more that could be added.

Oooooh a list! Me too!

boris on September 21, 2007 at 6:24 PM

It was broken up within a matter of maybe 2 minutes (guesstimating here). Barker was up and walking around by the time the ambulance got there, and spent just about 3 hours in the ER.

But I still think it’s unconscionable to bring 2nd degree attempted murder charges for this. If Walters had brought the 2nd degree battery charges the first time, I’d have had no problem with it.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 6:16 PM

So, let me get this straight… 6 “youths” conspired to beat someone (malice of forethought), picked a white guy at random? Hit him from behind (fist?), he goes down, and then kick him for TWO MINUTES? and you think that its a simple assault?

Premeditation. Assault. Continuing to kick when down and not fighting back.

I’ll admit to more than a bit of Martial Arts training, but I can KILL you in less than a SECOND… let alone 2 minutes.

That he was not seriously injured does not absolve them of the intent. It would be like someone taking a gun and shooting at someone, and missing… do you not still charge them with attempted murder?

Romeo13 on September 21, 2007 at 6:24 PM

Start counting now – “One, one-thousand, two-one thousand” and “guesstimate” how many times you could be kicked or hit before you get to 120.

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 6:22 PM

Probably a few hundred times, depending on what kind of shape your attacker is in.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 6:26 PM

This need to be repeated. There are several more that could be added.

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 6:23 PM

Why repeat an unfounded slander? No fair mined person does that. No person with a persuasive argument does that either.

MB4 on September 21, 2007 at 6:27 PM

Romeo13 on September 21, 2007 at 6:24 PM

Most one-on-one fights last under 10 seconds. So we’re talking an additional power of 10 here with multiple attackers while the guy was down. Kicking somebody on the ground is assault with a deadly weapon in a lot of states. Sounds like the charges fit.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Having spent more two minute rounds on the business end of padded fists than I care to recall, I can assure you that one man with bad intent can do ALOT of damage to another equally prepared man in two minutes time.

That said 6 men beating on an unsuspecting ill prepared man for two minutes is slaughter. I bet the two minutes felt like two hours to the man on the receiving end. Unconsciousness was a welcome relief for him.

Alden Pyle on September 21, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Romeo, it is alleged that Barker was “talking trash” and taunting Robert Bailey for having his “a$$ whipped” at the Fair Barn that weekend, also that he and his friends (the noose-hangers) called him a ni****.

If that is true, as I think is likely, it still doesn’t excuse the beating. As to the gun analogy – there is no reasonable expectation that you will kill someone with your fists or tennis shoes. (DA Reed Walters says the shoes are weapons, and State of La. v. Munoz supports that claim.) It’s entirely different from firing a gun, which any reasonable person knows can kill.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 6:30 PM

Why repeat an unfounded slander? No fair mined person does that. No person with a persuasive argument does that either.

MB4 on September 21, 2007 at 6:27 PM

Thanks. I usually choose to ignore people like that.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 6:31 PM

I wish I hadn’t included that guesstimate. It was mine, not from the witness statements. I was trying to estimate, based on what these people all wrote, how quickly this went down. Based on the lack of injuries, I tried to pick a really short time. But then I don’t have a lot of experience with fighting.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Symbolism over substance.

(1) The nooses

(2) Attempted murder charge

The symbolic distress must be enormous to offset an attack capable of inflicting permanent damage.

Engaging in a mutual fight is about as similar to a gang beating as consensual _ _ _ is to _ _ _ _.

boris on September 21, 2007 at 6:33 PM

This need to be repeated. There are several more that could be added.

Oooooh a list! Me too!

boris on September 21, 2007 at 6:24 PM

lol.

I’m making a list, checking it twice, going to find out who’s been naughty or nice.

Santa Self-righteous is coming to town.

MB4 on September 21, 2007 at 6:34 PM

New twist to this story: Watch how silent Barak Hussein Obama is on this issue.

There is no good position he can take here. If he sides with the race pimps he alienates himself from the grownups, if he sides with the law he plays right into the “not black enough” crowd. This will be great theatre. Pass the pop corn, please.

Alden Pyle on September 21, 2007 at 6:35 PM

Romeo, it is alleged that Barker was “talking trash” and taunting Robert Bailey for having his “a$$ whipped” at the Fair Barn that weekend, also that he and his friends (the noose-hangers) called him a ni****.

If Bailey was that mad about it, he should have manned up and thrown down with him right there.

Usually, if you get beat up bad in a fight, people will make fun of you, especially if you have a huge mouse under your eye or something. Kinda stings, but it’s just pride messing with ya.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 6:36 PM

Based on the lack of injuries.

How does “non life threatening” become “lack of injuries”? Clearly the victim could have lost sight in one eye.

boris on September 21, 2007 at 6:37 PM

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 6:23 PM

Agree with this poster or you are a White Nationalist KKK Racist Troll.

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 6:39 PM

I wish I hadn’t included that guesstimate. It was mine, not from the witness statements. I was trying to estimate, based on what these people all wrote, how quickly this went down. Based on the lack of injuries, I tried to pick a really short time. But then I don’t have a lot of experience with fighting.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Your lack of knowledge of Hand to Hand fighting is apparent… so why don’t you let the “experts” decide? You know, the guys who do this for a living, the Police and DAs?

Once out and on the ground, any further “beating” IS not only dishonorable, but aggravates the charges in most states.

And once again… you try to mitigate the charges because “barker was “talking trash” and taunting… if this was not premeditated, then why the conspiricy charge?

And I don’t care what you say… we do have a little thing called FREEDOM OF SPEECH in this country… Barker may have been an idiot, but that does not mean he could not legaly say whatever he please… it does NOT make what the Jena 6 did right, or mitigate it in any way.

Romeo13 on September 21, 2007 at 6:40 PM

there is no reasonable expectation that you will kill someone with your fists or tennis shoes … It’s entirely different from firing a gun, which any reasonable person knows can kill.

Matthew Sheppard?

boris on September 21, 2007 at 6:41 PM

Though northern white liberals would have us all think that racism is exclusively white and exclusively Southern, it’s neither.

Preach on, brother.

The Ugly American on September 21, 2007 at 6:42 PM

Once out and on the ground, any further “beating” IS not only dishonorable, but aggravates the charges in most states.

Heh. I dunno. Mount to posture to fists is pretty cool.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 6:43 PM

Romeo13 on September 21, 2007 at 6:40 PM

This is the problem PC has bestowed upon us. No matter how clear cut the situation is, if a black (or 6) is involved, the mental gymnastics that people will go through to somehow “understand” are beyond amazing. Be sure that had these savages killed him, we would have been assured that that wasn’t their intent…

JWS on September 21, 2007 at 6:45 PM

Be sure that had these savages killed him, we would have been assured that that wasn’t their intent…

JWS on September 21, 2007 at 6:45 PM

Heh. “Savages.”

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 6:48 PM

I’m going to take a wild guess and say you’ve never been “jumped” or kicked in the head.

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 6:22 PM

Wrong. And the types of injuries I’d expect to see from the way that some people have described this attack would include facial fractures, renal injuries, broken nose, and missing teeth. I just don’t see how this kid was “stomped” by six athletes.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 6:50 PM

This is my last post on this issue. A white person can never understand the emotions driving this issue. I hope conservatives just close their mouths on this issue, cus if they start defending the crap going on down there, then they are going to lose people like me.

A word is enough for the wise…there are extreme emotions in this issue. I even see racial insensitivity in many of the comments here. Unless you are black, you probably won’t get it. People carrying nooses around in 2007, makes you angry on a whole ‘nother level…

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 6:50 PM

Just how bad would six thugs have to beat an unconscious person before you feel they should be punished?

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Justin Barker, the white victim, was cold-cocked from behind, knocked unconscious and stomped by six black athletes.

This sounds vaguely familiar

The Ugly American on September 21, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 6:50 PM

Can’t argue with that. Ok then, the White kid is part of a larger conspiracy, designed to further trample on the civil rights of the poor black man by_________(please complete the statement BEFORE taking your medication)

JWS on September 21, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 6:52 PM

And yet, I bet that the bias and racism in your own posts eludes you.

Your message, give black criminals a free pass or you will vote democrat. What a shock.

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 6:55 PM

And some idiot white teenagers from Alexandria, LA have been arrested for drunk driving and inciting a riot after driving past a crowd of people from yesterday’s march in Jena with a pair of nooses hanging from the back of their pick-up. The younger of those two claims to be involved with the KKK.

If there’s anything we southerners hate more, it’s racist white trash.

No doubt they had a Confederate Battle Flag pasted somewhere on that truck too.

I despise them.

The Ugly American on September 21, 2007 at 7:01 PM

This sounds vaguely familiar…

The Ugly American on September 21, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Don’t forget this. Not terribly good for race relations, though not as bad as this. But let these not keep us from flagellating ourselves.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 7:01 PM

JayHaw, I don’t know why you’re trying to make it seem like I advocate no punishment at all. That’s a load of crap.

I’ve said repeatedly that they should be punished if found guilty after a fair trial. (Which they probably will be, but my point is that the process is important.)

But I believe Reed Walters charged them with 2nd attempted murder to get them into adult court and keep them there, when if he had charged them with 2nd degree battery the first time, they would have been kept in juvenile court. That’s wrong and I can’t support it.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 7:02 PM

I hope conservatives just close their mouths on this issue, cus if they start defending the crap going on down there, then they are going to lose people like me.
Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Lose people like you? Oh no…

…A white person can never understand the emotions driving this issue…
Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Riiiight. How is it that blacks always seem to find a way to justify thuggish, violent behavior?

JWS on September 21, 2007 at 7:02 PM

Woops. I meant “though not as bad as this.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 7:02 PM

A white person can never understand the emotions driving this issue.

This is so true! Those misguided foolish white kids had no idea what they were doing. They clearly did not comprehend the hell force they were tampering with. They probably read about stuff in the library with no sense of the danger involved.

This is why black youth need to be protected from white foolishness and white kids need protection from the consequences of their foolish friends. Separate schools is the only answer.

boris on September 21, 2007 at 7:03 PM

then they are going to lose people like me.

How low many principles should we compromise to keep you then?

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 7:04 PM

But let these not keep us from flagellating ourselves.

White Guilt(TM) has never tasted so good.

The Ugly American on September 21, 2007 at 7:04 PM

How low many principles should we compromise to keep you then?

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 7:04 PM

Drat. I need to start using preview.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 7:05 PM

Separate schools is the only answer.

boris on September 21, 2007 at 7:03 PM

Perhaps Tolkein’s view of diversity really is the best.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 7:08 PM

I guess all the racists can feast on me now. I have said my piece. Do with it what you may…

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:08 PM

People carrying nooses around in 2007, makes you angry on a whole ‘nother level…

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Too bad you let yourself be manipulated like that.

jaime on September 21, 2007 at 7:12 PM

I guess all the racists can feast on me now. I have said my piece. Do with it what you may…

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Chudi, Sorry for the comments of a few. Hey, now their quoting Tolkein on diversity!

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 7:13 PM

I’m going to take a wild guess and say you’ve never been “jumped” or kicked in the head.

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 6:22 PM

Wrong. And the types of injuries I’d expect to see from the way that some people have described this attack would include facial fractures, renal injuries, broken nose, and missing teeth. I just don’t see how this kid was “stomped” y six athletes.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 6:50 PM

I didn’t say anything about renal injuries, etc., and I’ve seen the pictures of Justin Barker taken after he was attacked. I also read this post of yours:

Seriously, future comments where I see someone going on an on about these dire injuries and “bleeding out his ears,” I’m deleting it. I don’t care who it’s from or whether there is anything else of value in the comment. Whether the writer intends it or not, it’s a lie, and this photo proves it. And don’t give me the whole “$12,000 in medical bills,” either. Over half of that was the ambulance ride, ER and CT scan, and the rest was probably for more expensive testing in a desperate attempt to justify these excessive charges. I’ll put the best possible face on it and suggest it was CYA for the doctors or “concerned parent” medical overkill. That, or they flew him to the Mayo Clinic. Jeez. What utter crap. This really makes me mad.

Mocking his parents? Wow.

You’re so invested in this that you’re linking to a story about a kid IN KANSAS who only got five years for hitting someone with a baseball bat.

Hey, the kid didn’t deserve to be beaten with a baseball bat, but maybe he said something, right? We don’t know the whole story.

And, come on – “critical condition”?? What a load of crap. Probably playing it up for the big civil suit.

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 7:14 PM

I guess all the racists can feast on me now. I have said my piece. Do with it what you may…

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:08 PM

I suggest wearing a cotton “T” under that hairshirt – less itchy that way.

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 7:18 PM

People carrying nooses around in 2007, makes you angry on a whole ‘nother level…

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 6:52 PM

Chudi’s talkin’ Hillary speak.

( I keed I keed ; )

The Ugly American on September 21, 2007 at 7:21 PM

This issue is more than 6 kids in a fight. you can call them criminals all you want, but kids fight in school yards everyday…I’m sure this wasn’t the first time kids in this school had a serious school yard fight. Throw in the nooses, and the attempted murder charges, and you have a powder ked waiting to explode.

You can all dismiss it, and say that Al and Jesse are trying to whip up something out of nothing. They usually do that…but this case is different, and it all originated from those nooses under the ‘white’ tree. You can make fun of it, but I say again, that unless you are black, you won’t get it.

The racists here can attack me, and twist my words to fit their bigoted misconceptions of what happened. That’s fine…but 4000 people didn’t go down there for fun. For all the people crying about racism against whites, I wish you would go a day with this skin color, and see what real racism is like.

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:23 PM

No, John, it wasn’t my intent to mock his parents. My point was I can’t see where $12k in medical bills came from, and I’d had comment after comment from people claiming to be in Jena who had dramatized his injuries beyond all belief. I was extremely frustrated with them telling me repeatedly how badly this kid was hurt and I just didn’t know everything that was going on, and when CNN showed the photo, that was my reaction. I referenced renal injuries because if you’re prone and being kicked and stomped, renal injuries and broken ribs are something you might expect to see.

And yes, I think the kid in Kansas is pertinent to this story. I never said he had it coming, jeez, where do you get that from? But can you see any relation whatsoever between kids without weapons (well, tennis shoes) being charged with 2nd degree attempted murder and even after the charges were lowered, possibly 22 years in jail, and another kid who used a baseball bat only getting 5 years? How can you not see how that’s pertinent?

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 7:26 PM

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:23 PM

My brother went to a majority black HS and he knew exactly what racism was like.

EnochCain on September 21, 2007 at 7:28 PM

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:23 PM

thought you said you were done… cause us White folk wouldn’t understand?

/shakes his head and wanders off to his Black freinds house for a cocktail…

Romeo13 on September 21, 2007 at 7:31 PM

And John, here’s the part you left out –

I knew Reed Walters didn’t have any serious medical testimony to back him up, but I figured the photos had to be sufficiently gory for the jury to come back with that verdict. How anyone can look at this photo and think “beaten half to death” or “stomped on face” or any of the other rhetoric that has been thrown around so liberally is beyond me.

“beaten half to death” was the rhetoric people were using to describe Barker’s injuries. If you can’t look at that photo- which they’d been claiming to have for some time – and see how that’s BS, I don’t know what to say.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 7:31 PM

EnochCain on September 21, 2007 at 7:28 PM

I was bused to a school that was 95% black when I went to High School.

I had a daily lesson in Racism for four years, and blacks were not the victims.

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 7:32 PM

And the reason why how badly Barker was injured is pertinent is State of Louisiana vs. Jason Helou. 2nd degree battery charges were vacated by the Louisiana Supremes, and sent back for simple battery because of the extent – or lack of – of the victim’s injuries. That case led to long discussions over many posts about how badly Barker was injured; because it was directly relevant to what might happen to Bell.

NOT because I think Barker’s beating was no big deal.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 7:38 PM

Jeez, I really need to hit that preview button from time to time.

sent back for simple battery sentencing

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 7:39 PM

No, John, it wasn’t my intent to mock his parents.

Then why the “quote marks” around “concerned parent”?

And yes, I think the kid in Kansas is pertinent to this story.

It might be, if he’d been tried in LA, or the “Jena 6″ (note the quote marks) were being tried in KS.

I never said he had it coming, jeez, where do you get that from?

Maybe I should have used quote marks.

Again, if you think the suspects were overcharged, fine, but I don’t see why you feel the need to minimize this kid’s injuries. If that were your child, I doubt you’d be telling friends, “Stomped? Come on, he wasn’t stomped – he was kicked in the head a few times, but it was over in no time, and he was up and around by the time the ambulance got there, and he went to a school function later, so it’s no big deal. Sure, our medical bills were $12,000, but, come one – over half of that was the ambulance ride, ER and CT scan.”

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 7:44 PM

I guess all the racists can feast on me now. I have said my piece. Do with it what you may…

Why does every debate end in the victim card? Disagree, hm, must be racist.

The severity of injuries, Laura, are not always visible to the immediate observation. Especially true when you are not there in person. Internal bleeding, which a matter of some serious concern (not cited for this case)for example. Additionally, attacking an unconscious person – the amount of damage that can be done is astronomical. Not only are you depraved or your conscious defense, but also your unconscious (ever blink when something comes near your eye?) That can’t be overstated. The matter of time is not nearly a critical whether it be 2 minutes or 1 minute or whatever. This kid should be extremely thankful the assault was interrupted.

My position: justice must be blind. No excuse for either side dependent on color or ethnicity.

Spirit of 1776 on September 21, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Then why the “quote marks” around “concerned parent”?

As a parent, I have sometimes pushed for extra testing or things that the doctor did not suggest. It made me feel better, and so I was happy to pay for it. “That’s concerned parent” medical overkill – on top of the CYA defensive medicine that doctors already practice.

I’m not his parents. I shouldn’t be expected to take the same view as his parents. Nor should the jury, which is what I informally put myself on (just like everybody else with an opinion on this case) when I started looking at the evidence that was available to me back in June, and spending time researching similar cases. I don’t think I’m minimizing his injuries, I think I’m describing them accurately. And while I’m sympathetic to Barker and his family, as someone who has also been the victim of a crime, I just can’t get on board with the idea that Reed Walters is being reasonable or fair about this.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 7:53 PM

“beaten half to death” was the rhetoric people were using to describe Barker’s injuries.

Who – blog commenters? On CNN they say exactly what you did – he was in the hospital for a few hours,

but he went to a school function that night

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But I apologize – I didn’t realize you were just trying to put things into context because of the legal ramifications. I was reacting to your saying:

Seriously, future comments where I see someone going on an on about these dire injuries and “bleeding out his ears,” I’m deleting it. I don’t care who it’s from or whether there is anything else of value in the comment. Whether the writer intends it or not, it’s a lie, and this photo proves it. And don’t give me the whole “$12,000 in medical bills,” either. Over half of that was the ambulance ride, ER and CT scan, and the rest was probably for more expensive testing in a desperate attempt to justify these excessive charges. I’ll put the best possible face on it and suggest it was CYA for the doctors or “concerned parent” medical overkill. That, or they flew him to the Mayo Clinic. Jeez. What utter crap. This really makes me mad.

John from WuzzaDem on September 21, 2007 at 7:53 PM

Well, I was mad… and I’ve often said things I wish I could take back, but once it’s out there I don’t feel right about changing it or deleting it. Blog commenters were telling me for months this kid had been beat “half to death” and they had the photo to prove it. So this was the photo.

Still, I shouldn’t have phrased it like that.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 8:05 PM

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 8:05 PM

How badly should someone be beat before you are willing to punish the beaters?

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Just as hippies can burn a flag, Panthers yell black power, Hamas Jack-asses mock the holocaust, etc, etc, then the dopey kid in the truck can hang a noose in his car.

I find it repulsive but so are many other forms of free speech but I served in the Marines to protect the rights of morons to freely express themselves.

I’m surprised the ACLU isn’t taking their side.

Alden Pyle on September 21, 2007 at 8:14 PM

Asked and answered, JayHaw:
Laura on September 21, 2007 at 7:02 PM

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 8:21 PM

I guess all the racists can feast on me now. I have said my piece. Do with it what you may…

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:08 PM

You are trying to play the martyr now. You are the one who seems to be doing most of the “feasting”. Can’t you see that? Can’t you see that you have picked the wrong 6 people to defend who do not merit it?

I wish you would go a day with this skin color, and see what real racism is like.

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:23 PM

Does “this skin color” have to be dark skin color or just different from the majority at a local? I went to school on an Indian Reservation. I have light skin, blue eyes and then had blood hair (brown now, NOT GREY!!!). Am I still condemned to be a clueless “whitey”?

MB4 on September 21, 2007 at 8:27 PM

Life has all sorts of challenges for teenagers as they prepare for adulthood; it’s the job of us adults to assist them in meeting those challenges, not to intensify them.

Zaire67 on September 21, 2007 at 5:27 PM

Ding! Ding! We have a winner. This sums up how the Jena situation was allowed to escalate. All of the adults involved–black and white–abdicated their responsibilities, either in the short-term or long-term.

baldilocks on September 21, 2007 at 8:29 PM

This sounds vaguely familiar…

The Ugly American on September 21, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Don’t forget who rescued him.

Bobby Green (a truck driver), Titus Murphy, Terri Barnett (boyfriend and girlfriend), and Lei Yuille (a dietitian), who had been watching the events on TV, came to Denny’s aid. All four are black. Bobby Green was a trucker with a license and this allowed him to drive Denny’s truck. They loaded Denny into the truck and escorted Denny to the hospital.

baldilocks on September 21, 2007 at 8:40 PM

…or as crr6 claims the overly harsh sentences they received from the racist courts.

After a few jury changes, the jury arrived at a verdict of not guilty for all charges except a felony count of mayhem for Williams, and one misdemeanor assault charge for both Williams and Watson on October 18. Watson was then given credit for time served and was released.

Williams was denied bail and sentenced to a maximum of ten years in prison on December 7, 1993 by Judge Ouderkirk. Damian was released early for good behavior in 1997.

Alden Pyle on September 21, 2007 at 9:02 PM

Though northern white liberals would have us all think that racism is exclusively white and exclusively Southern, it’s neither.

That’s for sure, racism is alive and well up here in Brooklyn, Queens and especially on the South Shores of Long Island.

It’s unbelievable, you might be shocked to know that there is probably more racism here than down there.

AprilOrit on September 21, 2007 at 10:23 PM

As jew I am obviously horrified by any nooses hanging anywhere. Noose hangers generally don’t care for my type either.

I am curious to know what did the parents of the noose hangers have to say about the nooses hanging on the white tree?

AprilOrit on September 21, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Noose hangers generally don’t care for my type either.

By all means, let’s try them as adults!

boris on September 21, 2007 at 10:44 PM

And the reason why how badly Barker was injured is pertinent is State of Louisiana vs. Jason Helou. 2nd degree battery charges were vacated by the Louisiana Supremes, and sent back for simple battery because of the extent – or lack of – of the victim’s injuries. That case led to long discussions over many posts about how badly Barker was injured; because it was directly relevant to what might happen to Bell.

NOT because I think Barker’s beating was no big deal.

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 7:38 PM

Then this is the core issue in determining their charges.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 10:51 PM

The racists here can attack me, and twist my words to fit their bigoted misconceptions of what happened. That’s fine…but 4000 people didn’t go down there for fun. For all the people crying about racism against whites, I wish you would go a day with this skin color, and see what real racism is like.

Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 7:23 PM

Don’t need to. I went to a school where I got to spend two quality years with a group of black students. Despite my interest in making new friends among my classmates, I was instead exposed to an unending lesson in racism. Violent and hateful blacks became part of my daily life.

I live in any area that is majority black, and have black friends. But I don’t defend white racists, and I don’t defend white criminals for any reason, and certainly not because they’re white.

So, Chudi, you can whine about white racism and nooses all you want, but it’s all crap when you’re defending black criminals.

Jaibones on September 21, 2007 at 11:06 PM

Laura on September 21, 2007 at 8:05 PM

Laura, your discussion here has been unpersuasive in the extreme, bordering on stupid. The stunning line of reasoning that the victim of a six on one beating “really wasn’t hurt as bad as everyone says” will go down as a classic of blame whitey self-hate.

You are profoundly diminished in my eyes.

Jaibones on September 21, 2007 at 11:10 PM

Mychal Bell’s bail has been denied.

Apparently, he’s a habitual criminal and the judge isn’t a liberal.

Kini on September 21, 2007 at 11:15 PM

For the last time, blacks hate Whites. It is pointless to try to reason with them. The hatred can be subtle or overt, but if you can’t see it, it’s your fault. Kill em, beat em? NO! Hang nooses from trees? NO! Ignore them-YES…

JWS on September 21, 2007 at 11:15 PM

For the last time, blacks hate Whites. It is pointless to try to reason with them. The hatred can be subtle or overt, but if you can’t see it, it’s your fault. Kill em, beat em? NO! Hang nooses from trees? NO! Ignore them-YES…

JWS on September 21, 2007 at 11:15 PM

So glad you cleared that up. I was just beginning to love my fellow man, than you came along and set me straight. Where do get the pointy hats?

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 11:21 PM

For the last time, blacks hate Whites. It is pointless to try to reason with them. The hatred can be subtle or overt, but if you can’t see it, it’s your fault. Kill em, beat em? NO! Hang nooses from trees? NO! Ignore them-YES…

JWS on September 21, 2007 at 11:15 PM

Dude you are hanging out at the wrong site I think. All these commenters must seem terribly leftist to you. Stick with ilovearyans.com if you are looking for comrades.

Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 11:25 PM

Here in blogspace we can only make do with whatever set of “facts”, hearsay and rumors that show up on the net. Let’s tally score so far at this point.

Physical damage:

1. School arson
2. Fistfight, possibly mutual consent, black kid loses
3. Brandished shotgun stolen later returned
4. White kid attacked, knocked down unconscious and kicked in the face in non-consensual fashion

Symbolic damage and psychic distress:

1. Nooses in tree months earlier
2. Attacker overcharged, later dropped.
3. Attacker, 16 yr old varsity football athlete, charged as adult
4. Gang attack described as schoolyard fight as if mutual consent
5. Injuries exaggerated
6. Injuries minimized

Not that the symbolic stuff matters to the case but they’re the main things the net is obsessing over.

boris on September 21, 2007 at 11:41 PM

What I object to is piling 40k people into a tiny town in what, to me at least, is an overt attempt to scare justice into the result some people want. It says put this guy back on the street or we’ll riot. I don’t like it when blacks do it and I don’t like it when whites do it.

In the Jena6 case the black community may have some concerns that the defendants were charged with a higher and more serious crime than the law supports but in that case the black community should make damned sure these guys have good defense attorneys so that justice is served correctly.

But what I see and hear about the case is that the black community wants these defendants to walk away free and clear from this crime irregardless of their guilt. At least that’s what I believe I’m hearing and what “free the Jena6″ means.

Buzzy on September 22, 2007 at 12:52 AM

This thread has 277 comments, and some people here are telling me there is not a race problem in this country.

Chudi on September 22, 2007 at 1:24 AM

Chudi on September 22, 2007 at 1:24 AM

And remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
- Confucius

MB4 on September 22, 2007 at 1:47 AM

You are dead on, Buzzy, as are several others on this thread

and Bradky still is, not suprprisingly, an uneducated dim-bulb troll who has the time to spend tweleve hours on this thread engaging in his favorite rhetorical fallacy of downplaying while once more hijacking a debate about an obvious racial double-standard into new levels of vaguely leftist gibberish

W

Janos Hunyadi on September 22, 2007 at 1:57 AM

Janos Hunyadi on September 22, 2007 at 1:57 AM

Okay Herr Janos. Execute them all at dawn. They upset whitey.
Tool…

Bradky on September 22, 2007 at 2:00 AM

Doesn’t the fact that the conviction was thrown out the matter sent back to juvenile court show that the system is working, that the checks and balances are effective and apply to everyone? This seems to be another case of the media turning a local story into a national crisis.

I’m not trying to ignore the broader issues, however, I think that the media and the race-baiters are insinuating themselves into the situation in a way that is not going to lead to a wider dialog but rather to heightened tensions. If the house is on fire, you put the fire out first and THEN you do the arson investigation and hold the fire safety classes. Sharpton, Jackson, the media and others are blocking the firetrucks so they have a great background shot for their “We care about fire safety” video, meanwhile, the locals who own the house stand by helplessly while they lose everything. I fear that this is going to fracture the Jena community in a way that makes reconciliation nearly impossible for years, if not generations, to come. I’d be interested in reading how the students are coping and if this is causing racial divides among students who were previously friends.

deepdiver on September 22, 2007 at 2:32 AM

the da prosecuting this case is a democratic and the surrounding community have sent democratics to office from governor to legislative.

http://louisianaconservative.com/?p=221

jummy on September 21, 2007 at 12:26 PM

The Kingfish may be gone, but he still casts a lengthy shadow down here.

Some places, Birth Certificates have party affiliation check boxes.

Guess which box is redundant?

soundingboard on September 22, 2007 at 3:59 AM

“I wish we had a charge in Louisiana for aggravated ignorance, because this is a classic case,” [Police Sgt. Clifford] Gatlin said.

At the very least.

If that were the case,half my neighbors would should be picked up on suspicion.

soundingboard on September 22, 2007 at 4:03 AM

I believe it typical that district attorneys in Louisiana file very serious charges against a perpetrator initially, just to plea bargain down to a more appropriate charge.

So these young men, athletes mind you, gang up on a lone victim and beat him unconscious. The charge of attempted murder may seem excessive, but it may just be an attempt of the DA to get a guilty plea instead of having to go through a full trial.

Texas Nick 77 on September 22, 2007 at 5:52 AM

Black kids beat a white kid? Okay. Whites are to blame.

White kids be a black kid? Not okay. Call the Justice Dept.

What am I missing here. NOT ONCE did I ever hear CNN say they the black kids beat a white student. No. Their coverage was all about how unfair the sentences are, how this is an ‘historic’ moment for blacks, how their photos and videos will be used for blogs.

I guess this act gives whites a free pass to burn a major city, say, ‘Chocolate City’ the same as what happened after Rodney King.

madmonkphotog on September 22, 2007 at 6:44 AM

Blacks commit many times more crimes against whites than the reverse. Try another angle of attack, Bradky.

Jaibones on September 21, 2007 at 1:26 PM

The race baiter’s like JJ and AS think enforcing the laws on criminal blacks is akin to committing crimes against blacks.

csdeven on September 22, 2007 at 6:49 AM

csdeven on September 22, 2007 at 6:49 AM

My anger is not directed against you CS but since your quote had me as part of it I am replying.

Hysterical reactions such as those of Jaibones show how desperately some whites want to play the aggrieved victim. For the record this is what I said:

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I believe most crime committed by blacks is against other blacks. Not quite sure what you feel you have to lie down and take it about.

Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:31 PM

You miss the point. Whites are at much less risk from blacks committing crimes against them. So what is there to lie down about?

Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:41 PM

Too many are unwilling to separate this into the different elements once they read the names Jackson and Sharpton. Once they see those names they suspend any pretense of examining the rest of the facts. Nor do very many call out commenters such as JWS for patently racist comments.
And the right wonders why many blacks want nothing to do with Republicans.

Bradky on September 22, 2007 at 7:37 AM

Hysterical reactions such as those of Jaibones show how desperately some whites want to play the aggrieved victim.

Heh. Nice bizarro-world view, Bradky.

Jaibones on September 22, 2007 at 8:07 AM

Jaibones on September 22, 2007 at 8:07 AM

The shoe fits you in this case Jaibones. Go hang out with your bud JWS.

Bradky on September 22, 2007 at 8:08 AM

Whites are at much less risk from blacks committing crimes against them. So what is there to lie down about?

No, you miss the point.

Just because blacks suffer the most from their own crime, DOES NOT MEAN that whites have to put up with elevated rates of black crime. The existence of black victims does not detract from the situation that there is a large number of white victims that result from black cultural pathologies. Whites have every bit as much right to demand taking responsibility and addressing that as blacks to demand ending racism.

boris on September 22, 2007 at 8:20 AM

boris on September 22, 2007 at 8:20 AM

That doesn’t make sense. If you agree with the statistics that most black crime is perpetrated against black victims, where do the large number of white victims come from?

Bradky on September 22, 2007 at 8:38 AM

where do the large number of white victims come from?

Obviously you fail to understand the point. If the black crime rate was as low as the white crime rate there would not only be fewer black victims, there would also be fewer white victims.

You probably don’t understand that either.

boris on September 22, 2007 at 9:30 AM

Bradky on September 22, 2007 at 8:08 AM

Racist? Oh no! Shudder! Look bro, don’t even think about tossing out the R bomb until you start dealing with all black high schools and colleges, the black congressional caucus (still my favorite-a racist group which is deeply concerned about racism), all of your “leaders” who have left the marty king dream for dead, million dollar afleets who insist on referring to themselves as “slaves”, etc. As for reality, for every decent man like Thomas Sowell, there are thousands of angry “victims” out there just itchin to rationalize a 6 on 1 beating.

Name callin is always welcome. It means your “argument” is as weak as a sand castle on a beach. When you say things like “They upset whitey”, you really have to be careful using the R word. Another tried to tie me to the KKK (something about pointy hats…). The KKK, unlike the new black panthers, or the congressional black caucus, has been rendered moot by us racist “whities”, because we understood how evil it was. I advocate ZERO violence towards blacks. I also choose to have nothing to do with them, and “rallies” like the one going on down south right now, and the obligatory rationalizations for the beating is just one reason why…

JWS on September 22, 2007 at 10:29 AM

From what I found online last night after the issue came up, most sources seem to agree that 55-57% of violent crimes by blacks are perpetrated against whites. Blacks, in raw numbers also attack whites more often than than other blacks. That fact was totally contrary to my understanding from MSM reports over the years. It is only in calculating the victim rate within the black population that the argument that blacks are more likely to be attacks by blacks than are white can be made.

Another factor I found fascinating and disturbing is that white perpetrator statistics include non-black hispanics. If an illegal Mexican gang member shoots a black gang member in LA, it goes down in the FBI records as a white attack on a black person. It is absurd and calls many of the crime stats into question on various levels and inflates significantly the actual rate and number of white crimes.

deepdiver on September 22, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Another factor I found fascinating and disturbing is that white perpetrator statistics include non-black hispanics. If an illegal Mexican gang member shoots a black gang member in LA, it goes down in the FBI records as a white attack on a black person. It is absurd and calls many of the crime stats into question on various levels and inflates significantly the actual rate and number of white crimes.

deepdiver on September 22, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Lesson 1: Hispanics are not a race. Hispanics are an ethnic group. Thus the designation non-hispanic white.

scooter on September 22, 2007 at 11:21 AM

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