The notorious Jena case Update: Bail denied
posted at 11:18 am on September 21, 2007 by Bryan
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The Reverends Al and Jesse have once again parachuted into a small town to throw their weight around and relive the glory days of the Civil Rights Movement. Perhaps we’ll one day get to the point where the two reverends have become so radioactive that no one will look to them for any answers on any issue, but we’re not yet at that day. The MSM still treats them as credible, though one has blood on his hands and the other is a reverend in name only who has never led a church or even held down a real job. In a just world, the two reverends from the North would be mentioned alongside Louisiana’s own David Duke among the nation’s most notorious racists. Though northern white liberals would have us all think that racism is exclusively white and exclusively Southern, it’s neither.
But back to our story. This time, it’s Jena, Louisiana, which is currently embroiled in a case that is being compared to the Duke rape case, but in reverse: Six young black men stand accused of attempted murder for beating a young white man over an incident at the “white tree.”
The New York Times reports the sequence of events as follows.
They called it the White Tree. Not because of the color of its leaves or tint of its bark, but because of the kind of people who typically sat beneath its shade here at Jena High School.
And when a black student tried to defy that tradition by sitting under the tree last September, it set off a series of events that have turned this town of 3,000 in central Louisiana’s timber country into a flashpoint over the issue of racial bias in the criminal justice system.
Three nooses quickly appeared on the tree a day after the black student sat under it, and not long afterward, the authorities said a white student had been beaten by six black schoolmates. The white student was treated at a local hospital and released; the black students were charged, not with assault, but with attempted murder.
Wikipedia (with appropriate accuracy warning) has a useful timeline.
Racial tensions resurfaced in Jena on September 1, 2006, when hangman’s nooses were discovered in an oak tree on the campus of Jena High School after a black student had asked the vice principal if he and some friends could sit under the tree, where white students had typically congregated. The school administration recommended that the noose-hangers be expelled. The elected La Salle Parish School Board overruled the school, he and the three white student perpetrators received in-school suspension.[4][5][6] On November 30, 2006, an arson fire destroyed the main academic building at the school. On December 4, a fight broke out on campus, after which six African-American students, later dubbed the Jena 6,[7] were arrested and charged with attempted second-degree murder.
The black kid who sat under the tree showed courage; the noose hangers showed that racism is unfortunately alive and well.
But there were three months between the nooses and the attacks. There are claims that the intervening months were tense between black and white factions. That’s probably true. What’s less clear is the connection between the nooses and the attack. More on that below.
Attempted murder does look like an extreme charge to level at the six, since the victim was treated and released for his injuries on the day of the attack. If the six had wanted to murder the victim, numbers were definitely on their side. What the Times doesn’t report, though, is how the attack occurred or ended. Did the six fight the one after an argument, and did they get run off by some third parties in the middle of the attack, or did they plot the attack and slip up on the victim? Well, evidently it was the latter, according to Jason Whitlock.
There was no “schoolyard fight” as a result of nooses being hung on a whites-only tree.
Justin Barker, the white victim, was cold-cocked from behind, knocked unconscious and stomped by six black athletes. Barker, luckily, sustained no life-threatening injuries and was released from the hospital three hours after the attack.
I’m no lawyer, but if Whitlock’s account is accurate, that’s at least aggravated assault. If the attack was broken up by third parties in a way that prevented further injury to Barker, then yes, attempted murder would be among the reasonable charges the assailants could expect to face.
This gives us one important distinction between Jena and the Duke case: In Jena, the accused actually did something illegal. The only question is whether they’re facing reasonable or extreme charges, and if the charges are extreme, why that would be the case. The prosecutors seem to have answered that themselves when they scaled the charges back to aggravated battery and conspiracy. The conspiracy part goes to the overall charges’ seriousness, though, indicating premeditation as opposed to a schoolyard fight.
Whitlock goes on to describe how the case arrived at the point where the Jena Six faced such serious charges.
A black U.S. attorney, Don Washington, investigated the “Jena Six” case and concluded that the attack on Barker had absolutely nothing to do with the noose-hanging incident three months before. The nooses and two off-campus incidents were tied to Barker’s assault by people wanting to gain sympathy for the “Jena Six” in reaction to Walters’ extreme charges of attempted murder.
Much has been written about Bell’s trial, the six-person all-white jury that convicted him of aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated battery and the clueless public defender who called no witnesses and offered no defense. It is rarely mentioned that no black people responded to the jury summonses and that Bell’s public defender was black.
It’s almost never mentioned that Bell’s absentee father returned from Dallas and re-entered his son’s life only after Bell faced attempted-murder charges. At a bond hearing in August, Bell’s father and a parade of local ministers promised a judge that they would supervise Bell if he was released from prison.
So it’s not as cut and dried as the reverends would have the world think. Go figure. Jena is a chance for them to get back in the spotlight and be relevant again. Jesse and Al need cases like Jena.
Now, am I saying that there isn’t racial injustice in America today? No. Of course there is. But again, let’s look at the Duke comparison to understand how things are today. Yes, a black man faces more scrutiny on average than a white man. But it’s also a fact that black men commit a disproportionate share of crime. And it’s also true that an ambitious white DA can and did charge white men with a crime that they didn’t commit in order to curry favor with the same two reverends who have descended on Jena, among others, and those reverends convicted the Duke players in the court of public opinion before the case could even get to trial (which, thanks to the flimsiness of the evidence, it never got to). Those same reverends haven’t apologized for rushing to judgment against the Duke lacrosse players. They won’t apologize for making a crusade out of Jena either, even while they ignore inconvenient facts to make their case.
As things stand now, the one of the six who was convicted on the most serious charges, star athlete Mychal Bell, has had his conviction thrown out because he was tried as an adult though he was a juvenile at the time of the attack. He may be re-tried in juvenile court. That’s where he should have been tried to begin with.
By the way, Jason Whitlock, upon whose reporting I have based much of this post, is black.
(h/t on Jason Whitlock’s column to the boss.)
Update: Reader Michael sent me a link to another great Jason Whitlock column on Jena. It’s too good to excerpt, so read the whole thing.
Update: Mychal Bell’s bail has been denied. And some idiot white teenagers from Alexandria, LA have been arrested for drunk driving and inciting a riot after driving past a crowd of people from yesterday’s march in Jena with a pair of nooses hanging from the back of their pick-up. The younger of those two claims to be involved with the KKK. A local cop summed up their arrest nicely.
“I wish we had a charge in Louisiana for aggravated ignorance, because this is a classic case,” [Police Sgt. Clifford] Gatlin said.
At the very least.
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I just blogged this too. Isn’t it funny that its the democrats that promise an end to racial strife, but it keeps happening in their districts? Yet they keep getting elected.
BelchSpeak on September 21, 2007 at 11:23 AM
why wasn’t it tried in the juvenile? That would have been the very first thing I’d requested as a lawyer.
ackrite55 on September 21, 2007 at 11:26 AM
This case has been in the news down here (east texas) for a week or so now. I still can’t get the facts straight. They change on a daily basis depending on who is doing the reporting.
It does sicken me though, that a few misguided dumba$$es here in the south will give ammunition to those pimps (Jessie and Al) to continue to tell the world how racist us southerners are. I have lived my whole life in the south and traveled extensivly all over the country on business. I have found the most racist folks, Of all colors, in the north.
conservnut on September 21, 2007 at 11:30 AM
Two lessons for all Americans 1) Just because someone has been treated unfairly doesn’t mean they did not in fact commit a crime. Even villains can be persecuted. 2) Life is far more complex and human motivations less pure than portrayed by the media-weasels.
Exit question: Are Jackson and Sharpton “acting black” in Jena? Someone phone Isaiah Thomas. I think he’s American’s greatest expert on the subject.
Thomas the Wraith on September 21, 2007 at 11:34 AM
So are you saying that the veracity of the reporting has a direct correlation to the skin color of the reporter in cases where black men are charged?
Niko on September 21, 2007 at 11:35 AM
i read this http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1570075/20070919/id_0.jhtml
and if it reads like I read it, all these people are coming to the aid of a sure enough criminal IMO.
in central va if you get 6 people stomping on a persons head i dont care how old you are its an attempted murder charge, you may plead it down later but it sounds about right for an initial charge.
6 people stomped the kids head to a bloody pulp, i dont think they where inviting him to a social sheesh. luckily they didnt kill teh kid.
trailortrash on September 21, 2007 at 11:40 AM
I would agree conservanut. I have lived in Canada and Buffalo for most of my life. In Canada, Arabs and blacks will only go out if they are in a good number. In the years after 9-11 I saw about 5 Arabs get beaten senseless for no reason.
In Buffalo blacks and whites rarely congregate, even at my church there is a distinct divide. Blacks and white just don’t associate, I have been called a “cracker” and I have heard blacks get called “niggers.”
It’s aweful.
Down South there is a lot more mixing, I went to church and black families and white families sit next to each other, in public whites treat blacks as equals.
Now, I can’t stand the North for reasons like that… But maybe the Reverends should work on teaching these Liberal Northern Elitists that blacks and whites should get along, and besides the color of our skin, there is virtually no difference.
Racism is so ugly, its sad to know that its still out there and powerful…
Canerican on September 21, 2007 at 11:43 AM
This case just goes to prove that the most racist people in America are African-Americans. I perfectly O.K. in their minds for six black kids to attack a white kid. Why weren’t these black kids charged with federal hate crimes? Oh thats right, I forgot, only whites can be racists, only whites can be charged with hate crimes.
When six black kids assault one white kid, 40,000 African-Americans march into Jene to ensure that the white population gets punished for even daring to suggest that the black kids be punished for assaulting a white kid.
Yea, there is your African-American sense of social justice for you.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 11:44 AM
He’s saying Whitlock can’t be accused of racism in his reporting.
amerpundit on September 21, 2007 at 11:45 AM
“Manufactured Controversy” would be an applicable header for this story as well.
infidel4life on September 21, 2007 at 11:45 AM
So, if the kid leaving the hospital 3 hours after the assault indicates to you that there was no serious injury, thus no attempted murder, then by that same logic, if I shoot at you and miss, I should not be charged with attempted murder as you received no injury?
JayHaw Phrenzie on September 21, 2007 at 11:49 AM
probably because there’s both white and black people in democratic districts. Hard to have racial strife in a rural area thats 97% white.
and leave it to HA to somehow make this about reverse racism.
crr6 on September 21, 2007 at 11:50 AM
Whitlock is putting out tremendous work. I really enjoy reading his stuff, he’s sure seems to have his head on straight – and where I’m from the major city newspaper columnists are mostly about stirring up controversy and less about truth. Whitlock is solid.
Spirit of 1776 on September 21, 2007 at 11:50 AM
Let’s not forget this little gem while we’re recollecting what went on in Jena. They use the classic “blame the victim” strategy that Hitler and the Islamists used and use so well.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 11:50 AM
Are minorities somehow incapable of racism because they’re in the minority?
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Thank you, Bryan, for a level-headed, non-inflammatory statement of the facts of this case.
Signed,
A grateful, white Mississippian
Last is First on September 21, 2007 at 11:53 AM
No. Just providing one more inconvenient fact to the race mongers.
Bryan on September 21, 2007 at 11:55 AM
No reverse racism, racism is racism whether it is whites or blacks or any other ethnicity engaging in it. When 40,000 people show up to ensure that six people who should be charged with federal hate crimes are not punished it is institutionalized racism on a massive scale.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 11:55 AM
The pendulum has certainly swung in the opposite direction from 40 years ago, hasn’t it?
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 12:01 PM
- The appeals court overturned the case and sent it back last week. Bell has been in jail for a few months now, unable to post the 90K bail. He doesn’t have the moneyed relatives the Duke kids had.
- There is no statute for putting nooses in a tree but the school mishandled that part for sure. Perhaps a suspension from school could have prevented much of the aftermath.
- The Jena population is 85% white.
- I’d have much preferred to see protesters in West Virginia to march against the six white people who imprisoned and repeatedly assaulted a black woman. Reported on 11 Sep 07.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296429,00.html
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Seriously, Bryan, thanks for this write-up. I read Drudge’s link to the article about the Jena 6. THOROUGHLY muddled by the shoddy reporting. You have managed to clearly compile the facts. Maybe you should teach Journalizm 101?
craig on September 21, 2007 at 12:06 PM
why did the six black youths decide to put a beat down on Justin Barker? was he one of the white youths that was fingered for the noose hanging incident and received punishment or was he just a white victim chosen at random by the “Jena 6″? i admit, i’m not very knowlegable concerning this matter.
mfnorman on September 21, 2007 at 12:06 PM
Would you agree that without the hate crimes statute, this should have been simply seen as a fight amongst juveniles? Two wrongs don’t make a right kind of thought in my mind.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:07 PM
Agreed. If the reports are accurate, and I have no reason other than the MSM’s long record to be suspicious, the school definitely mishandled the case.
Bryan on September 21, 2007 at 12:07 PM
Some liberals just need to be hijacked by reality to understand how the world works, just like the faculty at Columbia University, which has a large Jewish contingent.
The fact is that only whites are expected not to act in their own interests, collectively. Latinos, Blacks, and many Asians unabashedly promote their own racial interests, as we’re seeing right here. The government even encourages this, using them against the majority (for the next 10 or so years) whites in a classic divide et impera strategy to maintain control. Just like the Long Beach incident last Halloween, whites are again being beaten for things that happened 40-200 years ago.
“I’m a convict of a racist crime. I’ve only served 19 years of my time.” – Ian MacKaye
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 12:08 PM
I believe the school expelled, but the superintendent overturned, yes? School did fine.
Spirit of 1776 on September 21, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Also of note from Jason Whitlock’s piece:
This punk kid was enabled by people suffering from white guilt and football fever.
Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Yes you are correct on that. The following are extracts from this article which shows a little more of the contributing factors. Good on the school board president for his convictions. If true, the impetus for the protesters makes a bit more sense.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070918_tipping_the_scales_of_justice_in_jena/
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:17 PM
But what of this incident?
For every white-on-black crime, there’s 50 in the opposite direction. Whites are expected to just take it lying down, without saying a word.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 12:17 PM
I just spent a good amount of time reading the timeline of events here: (Use the interior scroll bar and scroll down. The timeline is an image, not text)
The Jena Times
I also just finished reading Leonard Pitts, who obviously used wikipedia for his source. He’s no better than Sharpton or Jackson.
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Correction to above should read “good on the school principal”
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:19 PM
No I would not. Six on one regardless of the race is never simply a fight amongst juveniles. Even if every one involved were of the same race it is not simply a fight amongst juveniles. Remember, somebody had to be taken to a hospital because of this event.
These “kids” should be prosecuted as adults and for attempted murder. The only way to make this kind of thing stop, is to make it perfectly clear to everyone that it is very serious and will not be tolerated.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 12:19 PM
What a thoroughly fatuous conclusion.
As one case in point, just look at the race-baiting careers of the Justice Brothers, Al and Jesse, and you’ll see that they have made a career of stirring things up, well before “hate crimes” were codified.
Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 12:20 PM
And there should have been marches there as well. I don’t agree with your assertion that whites are expected to take it lying down.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Then you are living with your head in the sand.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 12:23 PM
The Chicago media is claiming this to be a CIVIL RIGHTS case reminiscent of the 1960’s, adding fuel to the fire. They had a “protest march” in the Chicago yesterday.
The issue of “overcharging” the kid may or may not be valid, but 6 of them beat another kid senseless. That’s not racism, that’s at least aggravated assault.
So Assholes Jackson and Sharpton flew 1st class or private jet to LA, then got limoed to Jenna, because 6 kids of THEIR RACE beat the snot out of a white kid, and THEY ARE CLAIMING RACISM?
When 5 BLACK people rape and murder two white people in TN, and these two f*cktards DO NOTHING, they don’t have the right to play the race card.
georgej on September 21, 2007 at 12:24 PM
Regardless, we have been since 1965.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 12:24 PM
The guy who was assaulted attended a school function the same night of the assault.
You seem to want maximum punishment simply because Jesse and Al showed up. Separate the two elements.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:25 PM
the da prosecuting this case is a democratic and the surrounding community have sent democratics to office from governor to legislative.
http://louisianaconservative.com/?p=221
jummy on September 21, 2007 at 12:26 PM
From my understanding, he was beaten up by these 6 because he laughed about a black kid who had gotten beaten up by some white kids. I’m not sure how many white kids, but it sounds like those white kids got off. I could be wrong, but that is how I understand it.
StephC on September 21, 2007 at 12:30 PM
First, I’d like to say: When stomping on someone’s head, the next stomp could be the one that ends his life. Attempted murder is not out of the question. Violent hate crime is a given!!!
New, let’s get some facts straight:
The noose incident was 3 months prior to the attack on the victim. It is unknown but unlikely the victim hung the nooses.
The gun incident was also 3 months prior to the attack. It involved one of the attackers and a friend of the victim (who had pulled a shot gun out of his vehicle after being chased from a convenience store. It is unknown if the victim was present at the ‘gun incident’.
The victim lost sight in one eye for several weeks and sustained injuries to his face, hands, ears, and right eye. Witnesses claim the beating was stopped and did not last very long. The victim was knocked unconscious when his head was smashed into the cement. Witnesses claim that his head was being stomped on.
The victim did attend his school’s ring ceremony later in the evening, but left early do to pain (his right eye was swollen shut). The victim claimed that he had been waiting years to attend the ceremony and wouldn’t have missed.
dougless on September 21, 2007 at 12:30 PM
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I believe most crime committed by blacks is against other blacks. Not quite sure what you feel you have to lie down and take it about.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:31 PM
They beat him unconscious and he had to be taken to a hospital, what the he11 is wrong with you?
No…As far as I am concerned nobody gets a free pass for that. When six people jump one and then they beat them unconscious those six people regardless of race go to prison for a damn long time. Period…End of story…
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Yes, that’s true. But they are also 9 times more likely to be incarcerated than whites, and several more times likely to be murdered. They commit much more of the total crime than whites in raw numbers, and much more of the violent crimes. Whites usually end up in jail for narcotics convictions.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Dorian,
From Washington Post:
“The state’s 3rd Circuit Court of Appeal ruled that Mychal Bell, 17, should not have been tried as an adult by LaSalle Parish District Attorney J. Reed Walters, and that the trial judge erred in allowing Bell to be tried as an adult on charges of aggravated second-degree battery. Under Louisiana law, teenagers can be tried as adults for certain violent crimes but not battery, the court said.”
I said nothing about a free pass.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:39 PM
That’s a really good analogy.
This is another one of those situations where no one is in the right. Hanging nooses from a tree is never acceptable behavior, no matter what your age. It’s either a blatant act of racism or an implied threat. The school schould have expelled, not just suspended, the students responsible. 6 students cold cocking a student from behind and them beating him should be punished harshly, but attempted murder?
The facts of this case are still too unknown, and made only worse by two of America’s most prominent racists, Al and Jesse, rolling into town and creating a circus.
Why did they pick this student (did they just pick a white student they didn’t like)? Did they stop beating him or was it broken up (did they intend to do more harm than they were able to)? Those two questions are pretty important in understanding whether or not the punishment fits the crime.
BadgerHawk on September 21, 2007 at 12:39 PM
There’s been quite a bit of misreporting. Here’s a FAQ from the Alexandria Towntalk.
I’m in Baton Rouge and know some people from the Jena area in central Louisiana. Certainly there is racism in Jena just as it exists in L.A., Chicago or Washington D.C. Most people in Jena tend to get a long fairly well.
IMO the DA screwed up when he tried to charge 5 of the young men with attempted murder. They should have been charged with assault. FWIW Mychal Bell was on probation when the beating occurred and probably would have been put in juvenile lock up anyway. He’s a thug and I think the DA was tired of dealing with him. He already had 4 juvenile convictions.
roux on September 21, 2007 at 12:41 PM
You miss the point. Whites are at much less risk from blacks committing crimes against them. So what is there to lie down about?
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:41 PM
They didn’t beat him until he was unconscious… they continued to stomp of his head after smashing it into concert which had knocked him unconscious.
When stomping on someone’s head, remember, the next stomp could be the one that ends his life.
The fact is that lethal force was used against the victim.
dougless on September 21, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Uh, where did I say, or even imply that? I brought the Justice Brothers up as an illustration that hate crime legislation is not necessary in order to get stories treated as more than a fight among juveniles, which was YOUR dumbazz assertion.
Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Read dougless on September 21, 2007 at 12:30 PM, it was broken up otherwise the kid being attacked would probably be dead.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 12:43 PM
I believe that it was discovered that the women in that case had a relationship with one of her male attackers.
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Throw these animals in the clink.
Attempted murder? Yes.
Race- related? Inconsequential.
Book ‘Em Danno!
omnipotent on September 21, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Here in Atlanta, this past week there were marches at some black colleges in support of the “Jena 6.” As one student said, it was important to show their support of the Jena 6. The same day this march took place, the day before a 7-year-old boy (black) was shot in the head while he was sleeping. His family was ready to testify against a black gang that had broken into their home.
Too bad Jesse and Al are too busy race-baiting instead of protesting the senseless crime, such as this 7-year-old boy who didn’t deserve to die.
moonsbreath on September 21, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Yes, we’re at much less risk, but only because we self-segregate. During the block-busting in Los Angeles in the 50s and 60s, whites had to leave their neighborhoods because blacks moved in and crime went way up. The same was true for East Los Angeles (and now the rest of the state) with the Mexicans in the 70s. So we do avoid it, but only because we’re forced to sell our houses and move out of their areas and take our kids out of their schools. Yet incidents still happen, as we saw with the Long Beach incident and the double homocide in TN. In the case of the Long Beach incident, the perps walked after wrist slaps, while the victims were left to undergo mountains of surgeries to reconstruct their faces.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 12:48 PM
If what you say is true about black on black crime (and I believe it is), then why are Al & Jesse in Jena instead of Philadelphia?
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 12:52 PM
That is true but surely you aren’t excusing the crimes committed against her? She was forced to eath her own waste and submit to horrible assaults.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:53 PM
DID I MISS THIS PART OF THE ARTICLE
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on September 21, 2007 at 12:55 PM
I’m not their spokesperson. Read the summary of events at
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070918_tipping_the_scales_of_justice_in_jena/
and you may understand why the protesters decided to go to Jena. By their attendance Jesse and Al cause things to get confused very quickly. Partly because of their past behavior and partly because of the reaction some have to their presence. In the process the issue at hand takes a backseat.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Oy.
BohicaTwentyTwo on September 21, 2007 at 12:59 PM
The assault was horrific and disgusting. I’m just pointing out that I think the prior relationship was the reason no hate crime charges were brought.
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 12:59 PM
Understand. I’m not a fan of hate crime statutes for the most part. Maybe for exceptionally heinous crimes and used very sparingly.
Welcome to my state ;(
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 1:02 PM
My question was rhetorical, but I’ll read your source, if you read the one I posted upthread.
see:
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 1:03 PM
I’d have much preferred to see protesters in West Virginia to march against the six white people who imprisoned and repeatedly assaulted a black woman. Reported on 11 Sep 07.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296429,00.html
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:04 PM
But what of this incident?
For every white-on-black crime, there’s 50 in the opposite direction. Whites are expected to just take it lying down, without saying a word.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 12:17 PM
ackrite55 on September 21, 2007 at 1:09 PM
I read the timeline you linked to. Good comprehensive synopsis of events. It appears that cooler heads within the community did try to iron things out and once the media got involved, it started to spin out of control, and I think also hardened the resolve of the DA.
As I had mentioned before sometimes an incident among high school students is really just that and should be handled locally within the school and law enforcement authorities. The appeals system does work and though not sure, I think the 3rd court is probably a largely white group of judges.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 1:13 PM
If whites would criticize whites and blacks would criticize blacks, these issues would cease to exist. As it is, blacks criticize whites and refuse to criticize blacks and whites do criticize whites yet cannot criticize blacks.
And the MSM sells their souls to keep the strife just below the boiling point in order to sell papers and attract viewers.
csdeven on September 21, 2007 at 1:14 PM
I think blacks do criticize blacks. But we are not at the point yet where as a community many feel it is time to share the internal disputes. You are right about the desired end state.
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Wow. Amy Goodman? Give me a break.
First of all, it’s my understanding that the black kid made a snarky “comedic” remark asking if blacks could sit under the “White Tree.” Who was it exactly who referred to it as the “White Tree?” Blacks who observed whites sitting there? Were blacks deliberately or forcibly kept from sitting there? In any school, kids segregate themselves from others for many reasons that don’t have anything to do with race at all.
There was also a private party in the timeline of events. Black kids attended the private party by invitation. A bunch of black kids who weren’t invited tried to crash the party. I would hardly say the white kids were racist if they invited blacks to their party.
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 1:18 PM
I grew up in the town of Wappingers Falls where Sharpon and Maddox came into our town and DESTROYED lives and planted racial division and hate where they did not exist.
I was friends with both a local TV news and newspaper reporter and got an inside view of the vicious race baiting of Sharpton and his racist thugs.
Sharpton is a lying hateful opportunist of the worst kind.
186k on September 21, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Agree with you there. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion.
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 1:20 PM
I don’t think so. There’s three middle class black women in my office that got pretty mad at me when I suggested OJ Simpson was a murderer. They all have education and money. All three are Christians.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Jessie & Al are the race pimp version of the aging grey ponytailed hippies who have spent the last 25 years looking for their “next Vietnam”.
They are drunk with excitement, they have a war, kooks protesting on the capital and manufactured raaaaacist crimes, all on the eve of a presidential election.
All they need now is the assassination of a well known leader of a social niche to complete the picture….I can think of two who would put a hit on each other to use the event as a platform for self promotion.
Alden Pyle on September 21, 2007 at 1:23 PM
What did they say to you? How did they defend him?
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 1:23 PM
As I sit here, FOX has a banner up saying that the ghostwriter of OJ’s book thinks it’s a murder confession.
Connie on September 21, 2007 at 1:25 PM
Bradky on September 21, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Once again, Bradky reinforces the perception that he is stupid, but also infected with the liberal disease that causes the knee-jerk responses “whites are racist” or “it’s America’s fault”, depending on the situation.
This one is an easy “whites are racist” story for you, but as usual, none of the facts fit your prejudiced opinion. To support your prejudice, you present Amy Goodman, leftist ass-clown? Come on, dude.
As for this odd sentence you wrote, what does it mean? “Whites are at much less risk from blacks committing crimes against them?” Less risk than what? Than from blacks committing crimes against blacks, is what I think you mean, and this is no doubt true, but so what? Blacks commit far more violent crimes…period. If you actually mean that whites are at less risk of crime from blacks than blacks are at risk of crime from whites, then you are sadly misinformed.
Blacks commit many times more crimes against whites than the reverse. Try another angle of attack, Bradky.
Jaibones on September 21, 2007 at 1:26 PM
Funny I do not recall Sharpton making a statement about this.
Theworldisnotenough on September 21, 2007 at 1:28 PM
I was just making some sarcastic remark like, “…yeah, and OJ Simpson is innocent.” One lady immediately said, “Well I wasn’t there, so I’m not going to pass judgment.” The other said something to the effect of, “How dare you! You should say ‘There for the grace of God go I.’” She then proceeded to give me a hard time for saying what I said, but I just kept insisting. Pretty formative experience. No wonder Larry Elder is hated so much.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 1:28 PM
It’s not that. He merely identifies with his race. People of every race do so. Except for European-Americans.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 1:30 PM
Michael Graham had the kooky organiser of this protest on the air this morning in Boston 96.9 FM.
When Graham pointed out that 94% of crimes against blacks are commited by blacks the organiser showed his “truther colors” by claiming that crimes in white neighborhoods are just as high but the justice system and media cover them up because there is a giant conspiracy against blacks. uh huh.
Alden Pyle on September 21, 2007 at 1:38 PM
Yep, they are the big winners.
I think Al and Jesse would do far more good if they focused on positive accomplishments, instead of defending thugs.
reaganaut on September 21, 2007 at 1:38 PM
(AP)
Busloads of protesters including members of Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, Earth First, and The Earth Liberation Front, are expected to arrive in Jena LA. tomorrow to protest the removal of the “White Boy Sittin Under Only Shadin Tree” from the grounds of the Jena High School.
A spokesman for the group, Euell “I ain’t really dead” Gibbons stated “the tree was a mere sapling and should have been prosecuted under the juvenile and not the adult “old growth” statutes of Louisiana law. The death penalty should not have been applied in this case.”
The groups are demanding that forty thousand trees be planted on the high school grounds to make up for the one tree lost, to allow adequate shade for everyone no matter what race, creed, or color, nationality, or religion, and to offset CO2 produced by the buses carrying the protesters to the site.
Area merchants are preparing for the arrival of the protesters by un-boarding their windows and marking up prices on all organic tea and granola based products.
scooter on September 21, 2007 at 1:39 PM
Best kept secret in North America….Black Racism….certainly in the Northeast.
lobosan5 on September 21, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Unless you’re a white man in prison.
PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 1:46 PM
While we’re on the subject of racism, I vividly remember plenty of whites publicly and vociferously objecting to the acceptance of “Ebonics” in the late 1990s due to its deleterious effects on the English language and on young African-Americans that would be unable to properly communicate (and be therefore unqualified for higher-paying jobs) in our modern society…
Yet I’ve heard next to nothing from whites who are against the degradation of the English language via TXT MSGS 2 MY BFF N IM CHT that has become so prevalent in our culture that it’s being used unapologetically in advertising copy for high-priced electronic items targeted mostly at young upper-middle class whites. Why is it acceptable for suburban white kids to have their own language and not young urban blacks?
There is NO difference. Any fair-minded and logical person would agree.
ScottMcC on September 21, 2007 at 1:48 PM
It’s the secret that America refuses to confront. The white guilt of the liberal elitists ensures that black racism will continue to flourish and prosper. Al and Jesse will forever be the heralds of black racism because the liberal elitists assuage their guilt for things they themselves never did but they still feel guilty over by projecting Al and Jesse as saviors of diversity.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 1:49 PM
I am a staunch conservative, I’m also black, and it is disgusting to me that many of the people on this website are defending the crap going on down there in Jena. Unless you are black, you are not going to understand the visceral reaction of having nooses hanging from a tree, it is feeling that is impossible to put into words.
Once that happened, this was a powder keg waiting to blow up. I suggest you guys go read the situation down there well, before making misguided comments. Nobody is suggesting that the boys should get off easy, but they should get the same treatment that whote students get when they do the same crime. One of the students involved in this incident, had a bottle broken over his head by a white student a week before this…the white student wasn’t even treated with the same level of punishment that these kids are getting. Imagine attempted murder for a school yard fight…give me a break.
p/s: Two men were arrested yesterday for having nooses hanging from their trucks during the march yesterday. They also had a gun in their truck. they were driving around the protesters and looking for a fight. Imagine their ages, 19 and 16. This country has deeeeep problems with racism, and many of you here don’t get it. Unless you are black, I probably don’t think you will ever get it.
I go to medical school in Boston, and live in predominantly white Brookline. I cannot tell you the number of times I’ve been stopped on the street by cops just because I was walking down the street in Brookline. One of them even told me there were reports of car break-ins at the gas station down the street, and he wanted to know if I have ever been there. Can you imagine that…in Boston, the liberal mecca. Trust me, this country is awash in racism, and I’m sorry to say that white people and conservatives don’t get it. White liberals are probably the most racist…
I’m just stating my opinion. I want you guys to not revert to the default position of dismissing any act of racism. Just because Al and Jesse are crappy human being (I hate them by the way), doesn’t mean they are not right sometimes. They are right about Jena.
Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 1:54 PM
Ebonics was being formally taught in public schools, to teachers anyway. If a kid turns in a paper with text message abbreviations, they’re going to get an F.
There is a big difference between what advertisers do and what public schools do.
I don’t see the point. If you go on a job interview speaking ebonics, expect not to get hired*. If you use text message-speak, expect not to get hired*. If you have purple hair and 37 piercings, expect not to get hired*.
*For higher paying jobs, I assume you mean professional careers and such.
reaganaut on September 21, 2007 at 1:55 PM
Chudi on September 21, 2007 at 1:54 PM
Get back to me on that when 40,000 African-Americans show up anywhere demanding that a Black person be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Had that been six white boys who knocked a black student unconscious and then proceeded to stomp his head into the sidewalk and only stopped when forced to you would be screaming for them to be charged with hate crimes and attempted murder.
doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Chudi,
The fact is that some of the six attackers used lethal force. They were stomping on an unconscious kid’s head. One more stomp could have killed the kid, luckily they were stopped.
The racial tension is terrible. No one is defending the offensive acts of the white kids at this school. But the line is drawn at physical violence and after that is the line of lethal force. Stomping on someone’s head is a lethal attack especially considering it was 6 to 1. That is attempted murder and a hate crime since the violent act was racially motivated.
dougless on September 21, 2007 at 2:02 PM
That actions of others does not excuse stomping on someone’s head, nor should it be cause for leniency in charges or sentencing.
dougless on September 21, 2007 at 2:05 PM
http://www.thejenatimes.net/home_page_graphics/home.html
Bradky…. PLEASE read this… not somthing from a Wiki site…
I also read from a local source that the REASON they didn’t believe the nooses had any racial conotation was pretty simple…
There was a rally with the slogan “Hang em High” for a sporting event the DAY PRIOR… and the nooses were painted in School Colors.
I might add, I never thought of a noose as a Racial insult… this looks like a MEDIA driven problem… they created the tension, by saying there was tension. They created the outrage, when initialy, according to local sources, there really was none… in fact very few kids even saw the nooses…
Romeo13 on September 21, 2007 at 2:06 PM
typo: The action…
dougless on September 21, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Unless you are black, you are not going to understand the visceral reaction of having nooses hanging from a tree
So basically you admit that the white high school boys had no idea how bad that was. Also admitting that young black men can’t control themselves and become dangerously violent over symbolic expressions only they can understand.
boris on September 21, 2007 at 2:09 PM
We got Isiah on this board now?
Alden Pyle on September 21, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Chudi, a black friend of mine says the same thing that you said regarding racism in Boston. Very interesting.
Bryan on September 21, 2007 at 2:12 PM
I never considered racism a conservative or liberal belief….merely an ignorant one.
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” Abraham Lincoln, 1858
White liberal?
scooter on September 21, 2007 at 2:16 PM
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