Manufactured controversy of the day: “Mandela’s dead,” says Bush

posted at 10:46 am on September 21, 2007 by Allahpundit

I wish I could hang this on the nutroots but even al-Reuters is pushing it. It’s perfectly clear what Bush means: after 30 years of state-sanctioned terror against political dissidents, there are no peacemakers left in Iraq to reunite the country through their leadership and moral example as Mandela did in South Africa. That’s a line Ryan Crocker has used repeatedly, including in his testimony last week. Bush expressed it more forcefully here, but more effectively for having done so. Think Progress’s headline: “Bush inartfully suggests Saddam killed Mandela.” Not only do they have a funny, jerky little habit of misunderstanding members of the administration when the opportunity allows, their rebuttal to Bush in their post is feeble. If you want to criticism him for this, you’ve got two good grounds: (1) if the Mandelas were all dead before we got there, perhaps that should have been taken into account pre-invasion, and (2) the fact is there are a few Mandelas still left in Iraq. They just can’t get political traction.

Update: America’s newsman apparently demagogued this last night too. Prediction: If and when a reporter calls him on it, he’ll tell him to lighten up because it’s just a comedy show, dude. Clown nose off, clown nose on.

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I was watching that live yesterday at the Auto Shop while getting my brakes fixed, and when I first heard it I just knew the media was gonna take it and run with it, and not in a good way either.

Mindcrime on September 21, 2007 at 10:47 AM

The liberal nutjobs at a message board I frequent are trying to exactly this. Forget what he actually SAID, let alone meant, this is simply stupid to suggest he said either Mandela was dead and/or that Hussein killed him.

Many people are beyond reason.

Darksean on September 21, 2007 at 10:48 AM

He should call Ann Coulter and ask what she does in the exact same situation.

MadisonConservative on September 21, 2007 at 10:52 AM

It is just lame to suggest that Bush was being woodenly literal in that statement. It is irresponsible for a legitimate news organization to run with that story.

nailinmyeye on September 21, 2007 at 10:52 AM

Wouldn’t it be the media and liberal bloggers (an soon to be Chris Matthews) who are the idiots in this case for thinking that Bush meant the actual Mandella family?

If I said, “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.” and Chris Matthews said, “what do chickens have to do with this?” Who is the idiot?

Jimmy the Dhimmi on September 21, 2007 at 10:54 AM

i was watching yesterday too and just knew someone would make something out of that comment when he said it, typical bs

trailortrash on September 21, 2007 at 10:55 AM

Saddam killed Mandela. We should invade that country, arrest Saddam, and hang that bastard.
What, we already did that?

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 10:55 AM

the fact is there are a few Mandelas still left in Iraq. They just can’t get political traction.

I assume he’s taken that into account. In order to be a “Mandela” you need to have some kind of pre-existing political clout.

Big S on September 21, 2007 at 10:59 AM

But if you really know the history of the Terrorist Mandela, the reason he was put in jail for all those years is because he put a bomb at a bus stop and set it to go off at rush hour. He KILLED 11 women and children.

Mazztek on September 21, 2007 at 11:00 AM

and let’s please stop vaunting our moral superiority by competing over who can praise mandela’s holiness the most. dude has issues, as of late.

AdrianG on September 21, 2007 at 11:02 AM

It is just lame to suggest that Bush was being woodenly literal in that statement. It is irresponsible for a legitimate news organization to run with that story.

nailinmyeye on September 21, 2007 at 10:52 AM

There would have to be a legitimate news organization before they could take this in a responsible manner, all of the MSM are suffering from BDS and have long since ceased being legitimate news organizations.

doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 11:05 AM

It’s funny watching Bush present this issue as something he needs to bring the rest of us up to speed on. Many of the stumbling blocks we’ve faced in the past 4 years are ones that his father (and certainly his VP) were well aware of. Not sure exactly what happened. I guess it was haste and a fracture between Defense and State.

Always glad though when the President updates us that it’s really not that easy to take three tribal societies in a country artificially created by the British in the 20’s, who have suffered under a corrupt dictatorship for two decades, and turn them into modern democratic society within a few months. You think?

dedalus on September 21, 2007 at 11:06 AM

This is the price that Bush pays for ever saying anything positive about Mandela in the first place.

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 11:15 AM

Comment from ThinkProgress:

Bush wasn’t speaking metaphorically. He didn’t know what the hell he was saying. And if you right wing lunatics want to keep pretending that your brilliant leader was trying to do so, keep at it. Anyone with a lick of sense and a fourth grade education can see that this guy was just babbling. Keep defending this braindead loser and take your party down even faster.

Comment by mosh

Good thing there are some commentators there to actually smack them into somewhat reality, saying Bush didn’t literally mean that Saddam killed Nelson Mandela.

Progress.

amerpundit on September 21, 2007 at 11:17 AM

doriangrey,

Methinks you suffer from a form of BDS too: Bloomberg Derangement Syndrome.

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 11:17 AM

Come on………..I know you don’t want to say it but sometimes the guy is such a boob!

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 11:18 AM

Anyone BDS-free knows what Bush meant.

JammieWearingFool on September 21, 2007 at 11:19 AM

There would have to be a legitimate news organization before they could take this in a responsible manner, all of the MSM are suffering from BDS and have long since ceased being legitimate news organizations.

You are so correct, a legitimate network would cut away their cameras and audio so we would think he said something naughty.

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 11:22 AM

References to his death — Mandela is now 89 and increasingly frail — are seen as insensitive in South Africa.

Oh great. Thanks for that tidbit, al-Reuters. But references to President Bush’s when seriously made by BDSers are not insensitive all, no, not at all.

Brat on September 21, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Yet more evidence that the liberal left is more interested in scoring debate points than finding solutions to problems.

Yet more evidence that the liberal left rejects what is said because of who said it, rather than what it meant.

Yet more evidence that the liberal left is so blinded by their bigotry that they can’t see anything beyond their prejudice.

Hour by hour, day by day, the liberal left demonstrates that they have become the very bigots they so hated in their youth, unwilling, and unable to question their conclusions.

rockhauler on September 21, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Yet more evidence that the liberal left is more interested in scoring debate points than finding solutions to problems.

Yet more evidence that the ultra conservative right rejects what is said because of who said it, rather than what it meant.

Yet more evidence that the ultra conservative right is so blinded by their bigotry that they can’t see anything beyond their prejudice.

Hour by hour, day by day, the ultra conservative right demonstrates that they have become the very bigots they so hated in their youth, unwilling, and unable to question their conclusions.
Makes about as much sense!

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 11:31 AM

It’s perfectly clear what Bush means: after 30 years of state-sanctioned terror against political dissidents, there are no peacemakers left in Iraq to reunite the country through their leadership and moral example as Mandela did in South Africa.

Mandela? You mean the terrorist responsible for the sorry state of South Africa today? If he’s a moral example, then there’s plenty of Mandelas in Iraq for the Iraqis to model themselves after.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 11:39 AM

It’s perfectly clear what Bush means: after 30 years of state-sanctioned terror against political dissidents, there are no peacemakers left in Iraq to reunite the country through their leadership and moral example as Mandela did in South Africa.

Mandela? You mean the terrorist responsible for the sorry state of South Africa today? If he’s a moral example, then there’s plenty of Mandelas in Iraq for the Iraqis to model themselves after.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 11:39 AM

I hope you are not showing a preference for the apartheid government as opposed to the democracy in South Africa today. Yes South Africa has a long way to go but this is a young government and should be given the say time that many say is required in Iraq. Forming nations appears to take a little time. What did Rumsfeld say about being a little messy?

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 12:09 PM

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 11:17 AM

Bite me….

doriangrey on September 21, 2007 at 12:40 PM

Forming nations appears to take a little time. What did Rumsfeld say about being a little messy?

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 12:09 PM

I can only laugh at this (under)statement.

PRCalDude on September 21, 2007 at 1:18 PM

Gotta love that reality based community! Not sure what reality, but, they do give credence to the “alternative universe” theorists.

William Teach on September 21, 2007 at 1:37 PM

Now they don’t even know what the meaning of is is.

We have a few posters on here that do the same thing. I guess it is just to difficult for “educated” people to understand.

This mentality (or lack of) is why Newt can never win. Most of the people wouldn’t take the time to understand, and the ones that do, would twist the words our of context. An intellectual will never win the presidency.

right2bright on September 21, 2007 at 2:50 PM

hope you are not showing a preference for the apartheid government as opposed to the democracy in South Africa today. Yes South Africa has a long way to go but this is a young government and should be given the say time that many say is required in Iraq. Forming nations appears to take a little time. What did Rumsfeld say about being a little messy?

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Yes, you are right. Give them another 10 years to accomplish and reach the level of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. Of course you approve of the way things are going in both countries ?

SIJ6141 on September 21, 2007 at 4:09 PM

It’s a manufactured controversy that relies upon a “BigLie” because Nelson Mandela was a Stalinist-ANC terrorist who was jailed for a bombing and his legacy was manufuctured while he was in prison. His semi-ex-wife was a corrupt murderer who ran her own organized crime syndicate in Nelson Mandela’s name, and his hand-picked successor, Mbeki, supports the tyrant Hitler-worshipping racist Mugabe, and practically caused the AIDs epidemic in South Africa by blocking all attempts by other nations to provide assistance.

The transparent reason?

The assistance offered wasn’t readily divertable… in other words… since Mbeki couldn’t take his cut millions died and millions more will die.

That’s the real legacy of the Nelson Mandela myth. Tolerance of Socialist-in-name-only tyranny that perpetuates poverty and misery in southern Africa.

I’m not defending apartheid… but these were wealthy nations that should be leading Africa out of poverty and not dragging them down into a holocaust.

DANEgerus on September 21, 2007 at 5:30 PM

Stopping apartheid was the beginning of the end of South Africa, the only country in the whole continent that actually worked. Apartheid served a necessary purpose, it was just too un-PC to survive a UN filled with leftists, marxists, and black tinpot dictators.

jihadwatcher on September 21, 2007 at 8:30 PM

What a bunch of Einsteins. And yes, I mean they are all legendary physicist Albert Einstein.

Jim Treacher on September 21, 2007 at 10:37 PM

If Hillary or Obama had made a similar gaffe the right would have been on them like white on rice.
Too much manufactured outrage over the reaction to a typical Bushism.

Bradky on September 22, 2007 at 12:15 PM

1) To interpret this as a “Bush error,” you have to not only be dumb enough to think that Bush thinks Saddam killed Nelson Mandela, but that Nelson Mandela was a group of identical clones, all of which were killed by Saddam (or that everyone named Mandela was killed by Saddam).

In other words, you have to be a Bradky to believe something that inane.

By the way, innovative use of the “passive aggressive” meme there, Brad. Manufacture an incident and then characterize the reaction to it as “manufactured.”

Merovign on September 22, 2007 at 3:03 PM