Flip flips the lid off Hsugate?

posted at 12:39 pm on September 21, 2007 by Allahpundit

Not quite yet but it’s looser than it was yesterday. He starts with a simple question: why is Norman Hsu, the bundler di tutti bundlers, listed as the bundlee on a donation he made in June of this year? Hsu’s supposed to be out there rounding up new contributors for the Democrats; he’s the last guy who’d need to be solicited for a donation by some other fundraiser. From that slender thread comes a pattern linking his contributions to those of Fred Hochberg, CEO of the Lillian Vernon catalog company, fellow “HillRaiser” and trustee of the New School, and former cabinet member in the Clinton administration. Hsu didn’t make his first political donation until 2003 but Hochberg’s been donating to Democratic campaigns for years — and, funny thing, Hsu seems to favor (and disfavor, in the case of Chuck Schumer) the very same candidates Fred Hochberg does. Is Hochberg simply advising him on which Democrats are “good eggs” and which are bad or is there something more to the apparent collusion here that might explain, at least in part, how Hsu came by all that filthy lucre that went into the Democrats’ coffers? That’s the part of the lid that hasn’t come off yet. But like Flip says, this much would seem to be true:

There are still a lot of details yet to emerge that will undoubtedly shed additional light on these linakges, but it seems quite clear that Norman Hsu and Fred Hochberg are and have for some time been closely associated. It’s abundantly clear that the Clintons and Hochberg are quite intimately associated. This seems to draw Hsu and Clinton uncomfortably close to one another.

And while the complexity and duplicity that saturates this whole affair may offer Hillary a bit of confusion cover that she can use to equivocate when pressed, it’s now becoming increasingly far-fetched that Hillary took Norman Hsu for no more than a kindly, deep-pocketed fan.

Expect to see the Hochberg story in the news next week sometime, most likely in the Journal. That’s how far out in front of it Flip is. Click.


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Ken Lay has be reincarnated as Norman Hsu…..another reason for public financing.

scooter on September 21, 2007 at 12:46 PM

Ken Lay has be reincarnated as Norman Hsu…..another reason for public financing.

Public financing? Sure…that’ll work.

No chance of corruption there.

Slublog on September 21, 2007 at 12:48 PM

If Billy and the Beast could be knocked out of the race I may actually regain a flicker of hope for our Republic.

bbz123 on September 21, 2007 at 12:48 PM

I think flip is a little off here because alot of fundraising is events. Such as if you check below you wil find Hsu at these various events

http://www.arcinvestmentpartners.com/enews/121405_bb/121405.html

http://www.lmcc.net/art/programs/2007.1spitzer/index.html

http://www.speaktruth.org/benefit06/benefit.html

http://www.andrewcuomo.com/newsroom_details.asp?id=865

If said people are also at the same events and gave at the same time then that explains the similarities

But these are by invitation only events. Hsu had to have some kind of contact to make it into the big leagues. Is possible that someone got him in there

Just think its the cart before the horse type of argument

William Amos on September 21, 2007 at 1:13 PM

Flip should get a Pulitzer, or the blog equivalent.

JammieWearingFool on September 21, 2007 at 1:13 PM

I still want to know why Hsu was risking getting his cover blown by leaning on donors and such.

What was he getting out of all this? Access to big donors didn’t really seem to be an issue for him anymore.

Was he just dumb? He seems more careful than that.

see-dubya on September 21, 2007 at 1:17 PM

What an entertaining rabbit hole this is. Thanks to Flip for doing the heavy lifting.

TexasDan on September 21, 2007 at 1:24 PM

From that slender thread comes a pattern linking his contributions to those of Fred Hochberg, CEO of the Lillian Vernon catalog company, fellow “HillRaiser” and trustee of the New School, and former cabinet member in the Clinton administration.

Ah yes, Fred and Norman, fellow trustees at the New School.

Here is an early explanation of how this came to pass:

Bob Kerrey, a former Nebraska Democratic senator who is president of the New School in Manhattan, met Mr. Hsu through a mutual friend a few years ago. Mr. Kerrey declined to say who the mutual friend is. Mr. Hsu endowed a scholarship in his own name at the New School’s Eugene Lang College and joined its board.

WND speculated that the friend could have been Bernard “Loral” Schwartz, but maybe it was Hochberg.

In any case I have thought all along that Kerrey was lying here:

Mr. Kerrey says he enjoyed talking about the fashion business with Mr. Hsu and appreciated his Asian roots. “I thought he would be a great addition to our community,” Mr. Kerrey said. He acknowledged he did not know much about Mr. Hsu’s businesses or the source of his abundant checks.

Puhlease. Bob Kerrey, a fashionista?

Clearly, FOBs and FOHs wanted him on the board, not to benefit the New School, but to benefit Hillary and other Democrats.

That gave him that certain “cachet”.

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 1:34 PM

I still want to know why Hsu was risking getting his cover blown by leaning on donors and such.

see-dubya on September 21, 2007 at 1:17 PM

Was he being blackmailed? Bring in those donations or we’ll spill the beans that you are a crook?

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 1:37 PM

To me the damning thing politically isnt who was giving to who but rather was some campaign giving Hsu political cover and legitimacy ?

If you go back to michelle’s post a few days ago about Hsu interacting with members of Hillary’s staff and also remember that when doubts were raised back in June and Hillary’s west coast director stood up for Hsu saying “he’s one hundred percent legit”

That is more distirbing to me.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17/hill-bill-footed-by-hsu/

BTW will add there is some kind of connection between one of Obama’s staffers and Hsu also. He use to work with hillary and had contacts with Hsu but then moved on to Obama. Will try and find the reference I saw

William Amos on September 21, 2007 at 1:37 PM

The part about Schumer fascinates me. That requires more research.

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 1:51 PM

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 1:37 PM

Yeah, but that brings them down too…and Hsu would know it, so it doesn’t seem like a credible threat.

see-dubya on September 21, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Wow, Flip. Impressive!

Here, the Hsu-slighted senior Senator from New York pitches in by serving as the exception that proves the rule. Schumer actually used to enjoy regular financial support from Hochberg. He and his company made several sizable contributions to Schumer’s campaigns between 1997 and 2003… then the gravy train came screeching to a halt. Not a single contribution after March 2003. It’s anyone’s guess why, but if Chuck did something to sour Hochberg, it would explain his conspicuous absence among both Hochberg’s and Hsu’s bountiful largesse heaped on just about every other notable Democrat in New York State over the following 4 years.

Fantasizing now: Schumer under oath. He knows what’s going on, and precisely why. There’s a grudge to be avenged, Senator!

RushBaby on September 21, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Hochberg is gay (has or had an HIV-positive partner). Schumer is against same-sex marriage.

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 2:01 PM

You know, it used to be the average politician just had to worry about the skeletons in their closet… now they also have to worry about the number of Hsu’s in their closet too

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on September 21, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Hochberg is gay (has or had an HIV-positive partner). Schumer is against same-sex marriage.

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 2:01 PM

Isn’t Hillary too? Or at least she says she is for civil unions but against homosexual marraige? I could be wrong but that was my impression.

Zetterson on September 21, 2007 at 2:25 PM

Zetterson on September 21, 2007 at 2:25 PM

No, you’re not wrong. She’s pretty good at giving people impressions. heh.

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 2:34 PM

I commented on Flip’s site, but Schumer campaign didn’t get Hsu money, but Schumer got plenty – PLENTY of Hsu money for the Dem Senatorial Committee – something like 30 or 40 grand (maybe more)

Topsecretk9 on September 21, 2007 at 3:02 PM

One thing just jumped out at me as I read this article and viewed the Lillian Vernon catalog.

Looks like most of the crap LV sales came from China.
Seems to me to be a good way to launder Chinese money through a legitimate US company.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

1sttofight on September 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM

Topsecretk9 on September 21, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Thanks.

Is Hsu married?

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 3:13 PM

I haven’t seen this yet anywhere else but I can’t imagine I’m the first one to have thought of this:

Should Flip rename himself (herself) Hsuitably Flip?

A fine scotch on September 21, 2007 at 3:16 PM

As Robert Byrd would say, “Dirty, Dirty, Dirty, Dirty”.

Helloyawl on September 21, 2007 at 3:48 PM

BTW will add there is some kind of connection between one of Obama’s staffers and Hsu also. He use to work with hillary and had contacts with Hsu but then moved on to Obama. Will try and find the reference I saw

William Amos on September 21, 2007 at 1:37 PM

It should be noted that Hsu did donate also to Obama and then Hsu put their campaign in touch with Mark Gorenber a venture capitalist who is now an Obama bundler and prior was a John Kerry bundler

CommentGuy on September 21, 2007 at 4:49 PM

grr thats Mark Gorenberg

CommentGuy on September 21, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Is Hsu married?

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 3:13 PM

He was at the time of his original Ponzi scheme about the gloves, he divorced shortly after that.

CommentGuy on September 21, 2007 at 4:52 PM

Sam E. Antar, the CFO behind the infamous Crazy Eddie Fraud and now the author of the blog White Collar Fraud, explained how fraudsters construct images to coax investors into trusting them:

Fraudsters like myself, we build a whole world of respectability around ourselves. I gave money to a lot of charities while I was committing my fraud. My cousin Eddie, he gave a lot of money with his stolen money to a lot of charities. He gave a lot of money to politicians. He built wings on to hospitals and built a big aura of respectability around him and people were in awe of him. This is what fraudsters do

CommentGuy on September 21, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Hochberg is gay (has or had an HIV-positive partner). Schumer is against same-sex marriage.

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 2:01 PM

It is a fallacy that Democrats support gay marriage, so that doesn’t make sense, unless Hochberg is just ignorant and buys the myth that Dems are for it.

And as far as Hillary saying she’s not a lesbian, don’t forget this is the Clinton’s we’re talking about. There’s a big loophole with “bisexual”. Of course this has nothing to do with Norman Hsu!

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 5:15 PM

And as far as Hillary saying she’s not a lesbian, don’t forget this is the Clinton’s we’re talking about. There’s a big loophole with “bisexual”. Of course this has nothing to do with Norman Hsu!

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 5:15 PM

I really can’t even picture Hillary having a sex life at all.

If Hsu had anything to do with Hochberg, then there can be legitimate questions asked about exactly who Hsu was trying to please and why. Could be the guy just liked feeling important or it could be more than that. Everyone said Hsu didn’t ask for anything in return for what he was doing, but what if he was getting some non-material payment. That’s why I asked if he was married.

Hillary Clinton Campaign Targets

The Hillary Clinton presidential campaign becomes more aggressive in courting the gay and lesbian vote …

Last night in Washington, the campaign held its first major fund-raiser targeting gay and lesbian donors. The Washington Post reports several hundred guests attended the event at the Mayflower Hotel, hosted by a who’s who of Beltway A-list gays such as recording industry lobbyist Hilary Rosen and and former Clinton Administration official Fred P. Hochberg.

Hochberg and Rosen have long been affiliated with the Human Rights Campaign—Rosen’s former longtime partner Elizabeth Birch headed the group for eight years, backstory in our recent article for The Advocate—and the campaign has recruited some high-profile names from the group, such as strategist Luis Vizcaino.

Clinton campaign hires HRC marketing whiz

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 8:20 PM

Should Flip rename himself (herself) Hsuitably Flip?

A fine scotch on September 21, 2007 at 3:16 PM

Flip = XY

flip on September 21, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Connie,

Yeah, it occurred to me that Hsu is Hochberg’s lover. Maybe he pressured him to get all these donors to give money to Democrats so they could get married and live happily ever after.

As for Hillary’s sex life, this why I support don’t ask don’t tell especially if she partied with Janet Reno and Donna Shalala.

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 10:30 PM

flip on September 21, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Sheppard Smith reported today that Norman’s last name is not pronounced “Shoe” after all, but is “Su”.

So you could be SUitably Flip.

Buy Danish on September 21, 2007 at 10:37 PM

I believe (hope?) that eventually the wheels are going to come off and the Clinton candidacy is going to un-glue, I hope it doesn’t happen until after she gets the nomination. That Hillary is radically corrupt shouldn’t suprise anyone, altho that can be said about almost every politician.

If it does happen, and it happens after she gets the nomination, the Presidency, the Senate, and House would probably wind up Republican controlled.

Currently the democrats are heading the country to a disaster.

Rode Werk on September 21, 2007 at 11:05 PM

Yeah, it occurred to me that Hsu is Hochberg’s lover.

No. Hochberg has a steady partner. Forget his name.

Right now, I’m looking at Elliff, Hsu’s attorney. Donor to Kerry.

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 11:06 PM

Right now, I’m looking at Elliff, Hsu’s attorney. Donor to Kerry.

Connie on September 21, 2007 at 11:06 PM

Are you saying Elliff could be Hsu’s boyfriend or just that he could be the man behind the curtain?

Buy Danish on September 22, 2007 at 10:58 AM