Audio: Ahmadinejad should be “physically restrained” from going to Ground Zero, says McCain; Update: Ahmadinejad backs down?

posted at 3:26 pm on September 20, 2007 by Allahpundit

He’s half-joking but it may come to that. Against all odds, this thing looks like it’s going to happen. The word today from the relevant powers that be is that there’s simply nothing they can do — nothing to stop him from entering the country, nothing to restrict his movement when he’s here, and nothing to keep him away from one small spot downtown. It’s an absurd microcosm of American impotence in the face of terror. He might as well drop trou and take a leak into the pit just to prove the point.

The NYPD wants no part of it but the Secret Service says it’s obliged to provide security and will be there to protect him if he ventures downtown. The Port Authority, which owns the Trade Center site, claims it hasn’t received any requests from the Iranian mission but I think their approval would only be needed if Ahmadinejad wanted to enter the footprint, which the NYPD has already ruled out. If he wants to lay a wreath on the public sidewalk surrounding the site, we’re told, they can’t stop him. Or can they?

There may be a number of grounds for restrictions to be laid on the Iranian leader. Individuals may be denied a visa to come to New York under the terms of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which can bar a visit for national security reasons, according a State Department official who requested anonymity.

A recent example is the case of Ali Reza Moaiyeri, Iran’s ambassador to the U.N. institutions in Geneva, Switzerland. The State Department confirmed yesterday that Mr. Moaiyeri was barred from joining the Iranian delegation to the U.N. General Assembly next week.

But the restrictions under the Immigration and Nationality Act have never been applied to a head of state. “We are the host here. Just because we don’t like somebody, we can’t refuse them entry to the United Nations,” the State Department official said.

If you can refuse him entry to the country, you can limit his visa to Turtle Bay and the immediate vicinity while he’s here. In fact, John Bolton offered that as a compromise solution to NRO this morning. Another alternative is for the city to close the site, either de facto by granting a permit to the thousands of protesters who are expected down there Monday morning to greet Ahmadinejad that would let access and surround the site, or de jure by negotiating something with the Port Authority and Larry Silverstein to declare the footprint and the area immediately around it a temporary safety hazard of some sort. No one will mind and it’ll let Bloomberg show that Rudy’s not the only mayor with balls when it comes to Islamist scum.

Some of the left, in its exquisite enlightenment, has decided he should be allowed down there to take a metaphorical dump in the cemetery lest we be seen as meanly denying a terrorist his right to propaganda. Sample quote, almost endearing in its precious, childlike gullibility: “[H]ere this man comes, to make an ostensibly good-faith gesture and to pay respects to our dead.” Read Roggio for the latest on that “good faith.” On that note, I offer you another clip, this one from his press conference the other day. Skip ahead to halfway through and marvel at how closely his “good faith” tracks classic Nazi invective — except, of course, for the substitution of the politically correct euphemism “Zionists” for “Jews.” The UN won’t tolerate anti-semites, after all.

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Update: Drudge has the siren up:

IRANIAN PRESIDENT SAYS HE WILL NOT PUSH TO VISIT GROUND ZERO; WAS ONLY THINKING OF PAYING RESPECT

Fine. He can cry on the left’s shoulder. As he long stays away.

Update: Here’s Drudge’s transcript of the interview with 60 Minutes, replete with Ahmadinejad’s nod to the leftist stooges who are defending the visit: “How can you speak for the whole of the American nation?”


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Ahmadinejad has no intention of becoming a martyr. Noone who ascends as high as he has ever does. Just look at OBL and Yassir Arafat-they always espouse(d) martyrdom to their followers, but make it very clear that they have no intention to lead by example.
He’s not crazy, he’s evil. There’s an important difference.
As far as his surprise at the outrage his potential GZ visit is engendering, I am not surprised that he is surprised. Where do you think he gets most of his news about the US from? I’ll guarantee you it’s our MSM (either directly or through the filter of his intelligence briefers), and they are part of a political Left that is so blatantly anti-American that even Hugo Chavez and OBL see them as fellow-travelers and allies.
As far as violence against him while he is here, yes it is fun to contemplate, but that is the one thing that WE MUST NOT DO. Like it or not, he will be here as our guest, with not only a diplomatic passport but the full protections due to a recognized Head of State. Yes, the Secret Service WILL protect him, because an act of violence against him while he is under Uncle Sam’s protection becomes, ironically, an act against the United States. Imagine if a guest at your party attacked another guest. Even if you hated the guest who was attacked, it is still your responsibility to protect him. Only in this case, such an attack would have planetary implications. Believe me, the propaganda value Ahmadinajad would get from a broken nose (or worse) would be far greater than the momentary elation we would feel. Also, remember that he is just a front-man. The Mullahs safely back in Tehran are the ones who are really running the show.

All that said, I support (though I can’t be there) all attempts to physically and legally get between him and GZ. I would love to see on Foxnews his entourage and Secret Service escort being blocked by every off-duty officer and vehicle in the NYPD and NYFD, plus civilians.
I wouldn’t worry about a shoot-out, at least not one started by the Secret Service. They will only be there to protect him wherever he is, not to make sure he can go wherever he wishes. And I think that, in the event, they will point that out to him very clearly.

Lancer on September 20, 2007 at 5:41 PM

So, the lil’ fella is “amazed” that his gesture hasn’t gone over very well?

Let’s see. Oh! Let’s knock something down in “Persia.” Something really important … and on the world stage. And then offer to come and lay a wreath at the pile of rubble.

Yeah. That’s it. OK, let’s knock down … we can knock down … how about knocking down … :O(

Is there anything in “Persia” worth knocking down?

OhEssYouCowboys on September 20, 2007 at 5:42 PM

I think we should let him visit “ground zero”.

I also think all of us – Democrat & Republican – should stand together with him and give him the “one finger salute”.

GT on September 20, 2007 at 5:46 PM

As far as violence against him while he is here, yes it is fun to contemplate, but that is the one thing that WE MUST NOT DO — Lancer on September 20, 2007 at 5:41 PM

Why not? That’s the only thing an islamo-Nazi understands.

Your attempt to respect his rights is noble; but the only message the islamo-nazis will get from that is that we are weak and gullible.

You’re casting your pearls before swine, as the Bible says.

jimbo2 on September 20, 2007 at 5:47 PM

Ahmadinejad has no intention of becoming a martyr. Noone who ascends as high as he has ever does. Just look at OBL and Yassir Arafat-they always espouse(d) martyrdom to their followers, but make it very clear that they have no intention to lead by example.

Lancer on September 20, 2007 at 5:41 PM

I wouldn’t too sure about that. We don’t know that Osama is still alive, and I don’t doubt for one second that bin laden would love to have himself martyred at Ground Zero.

Arafat was not in it for islam. He was totally secular and cared only about money and little boys. He never got into the “martyring” parade until Hamas came on the scene and the al Aqsa brigades needed to be assembled, to catch the religious lunatics for Fatah, too.

He’s not crazy, he’s evil. There’s an important difference.

Ahmadinennenjad is both.

As far as violence against him while he is here, yes it is fun to contemplate, but that is the one thing that WE MUST NOT DO. Like it or not, he will be here as our guest, with not only a diplomatic passport but the full protections due to a recognized Head of State. Yes, the Secret Service WILL protect him, because an act of violence against him while he is under Uncle Sam’s protection becomes, ironically, an act against the United States. Imagine if a guest at your party attacked another guest. Even if you hated the guest who was attacked, it is still your responsibility to protect him. Only in this case, such an attack would have planetary implications. Believe me, the propaganda value Ahmadinajad would get from a broken nose (or worse) would be far greater than the momentary elation we would feel. Also, remember that he is just a front-man. The Mullahs safely back in Tehran are the ones who are really running the show.

So, they can storm American soil and take embassy personnel hostage but we should be hospitable enough not to harm the current mad leader of that regime. Doesn’t work for me. Not in the least bit.

Ahmadinejad getting hurt here would send a strong message to the arab/persian/muslim world (and others) that the US will not be tread upon.

progressoverpeace on September 20, 2007 at 5:50 PM

Is there anything in “Persia” worth knocking down?

OhEssYouCowboys on September 20, 2007 at 5:42 PM

Nothing they can’t rebuild in an hour or so…

JWS on September 20, 2007 at 5:50 PM

I already know that the answer is: Absolutely nothing, but knock yourself out.

Buy Danish on September 20, 2007 at 5:36 PM

I pity you.

If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 33, January 3, 1788

Bloombergs attempts to enforce NYC’s anti-second amendment laws on the rest of the nation…Combined with his failure to make every effort to keep a individual known to be responsible for the death of American servicemen and women in Iraq unquestionable justifies Hamilton’s admonishments…and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.

But like I said, I don’t expect you to get the connection. You would have to be familiar with the writings of the founding fathers to see the connection. You obviously are not.

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 5:52 PM

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 5:52 PM

Don’t be so hard on him. He also helped me understand what I thought. I think…

JWS on September 20, 2007 at 5:59 PM

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 5:52 PM

Don’t be so hard on him. He also helped me understand what I thought. I think…

JWS on September 20, 2007 at 5:59 PM

I know very well and do not ever forget that all the good things in my life were made possible by the risks and sacrifices made by the founding fathers of this great republic.

I have very little in the way of patiences for those who do not know and have never taken the time to learn what those risks and sacrifices were, or what the men who took and made them thought and had to say.

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 6:09 PM

I didn’t say I liked not hurting him. I’d love to, but the political damage to the US would overshadow any message to the Mullahs. For one thing, any potential allies in the Muslim world would perceive an attack against a guest as barbaric even by their decidedly low standards. And does it really make sense to give our opponents ammunition to crow about in the UN?

That said, I do agree that he should not be allowed in the US at all in the first place (but that’s Bush’s decision, and considering his views on securing the border…).

In fact I think we should throw the UN out of the US and have an Orthodox Rabbi dedicate/hallow/whatever-the-term-is the entire UN building complex as the world’s largest synagogue.

Lancer on September 20, 2007 at 6:12 PM

As far as his surprise at the outrage his potential GZ visit is engendering, I am not surprised that he is surprised.
Lancer on September 20, 2007 at 5:41 PM

Very true. Moonbats and Ahmadinijead agree: Bush is the Great Satan.

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 5:52 PM

Kerist. This is not about the Second Amendment. It is about a head of State coming to New York, the host city, to visit the U.N. and a request to visit Ground Zero during that visit.

There has been no “injury to the Constitution”, but apparently you would throw it out the window and replace it with mob rule. Would you like me to mail you a pitchfork?

Buy Danish on September 20, 2007 at 6:12 PM

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Not sure you picked up the sarcasm but I’m on your side…

JWS on September 20, 2007 at 6:13 PM

Kerist. This is not about the Second Amendment. It is about a head of State coming to New York, the host city, to visit the U.N. and a request to visit Ground Zero during that visit.

There has been no “injury to the Constitution”, but apparently you would throw it out the window and replace it with mob rule. Would you like me to mail you a pitchfork?

Buy Danish on September 20, 2007 at 6:12 PM

I’m not even sure how to respond to that. So I will let the founding fathers respond…

How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!
Samuel Adams

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams

Washington Firearms are secondary only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples liberty teeth.

John Adams Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion….in private self defense.

Samuel Adams The constitution shall never be contrued..to prevent the people of the United States who are peacable citizens from keeping their own arms.

Thomas Paine Horrid miscief would ensue were the law abiding deprived the use of them..the weak will become the prey of the strong.

Franklin Never trust a government that does not trust it’s own citizens with guns.
And the true reason for abolition-

Jefferson The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves from tyranny in government.

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 6:22 PM

As far as violence against him while he is here, yes it is fun to contemplate, but that is the one thing that WE MUST NOT DO — Lancer on September 20, 2007 at 5:41 PM

Please tell me the rational for not whacking this idiot when the opportunity presents itself?
Is it so we can be viewed as taking the moral high ground? cuz we all know how well that works out in the islamotarded world.

Wake up.

Viper1 on September 20, 2007 at 6:23 PM

Not sure you picked up the sarcasm but I’m on your side…

JWS on September 20, 2007 at 6:13 PM

Oh I got it, like I said however I have very little patience for those who do not know their history and have allowed themselves by virtue of that lack of understanding be brainwashed into believing in the values of Ingles and Marx rather than Jefferson and Adams.

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 6:25 PM

Now to add insult to injury…….

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doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 6:36 PM

Just over on Mark Levin…

Columbia cancels the wee one’s visit. Claims “security/logistical” problems. Yeah right.

IrishEi on September 20, 2007 at 6:37 PM

I have very little in the way of patiences for those who do not know and have never taken the time to learn what those risks and sacrifices were, or what the men who took and made them thought and had to say.

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 6:09 PM

GFY, Stephen. I’d hazard a guess that you suffer from a Napoleon complex.

As for your latest picks from Bartletts’ quotations: This has nothing to do with guns, you jackass.

I have to go out now. Do try to come up with something that is on topic to Ahmadinijead’s visit to New York in my absence.

Buy Danish on September 20, 2007 at 6:37 PM

I say let him in the pit and we’ll pull a silence of the lambs on him

“It puts the lotion on it’s skin or it gets the hose again”

csdeven on September 20, 2007 at 6:49 PM

Buy Danish on September 20, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Talking with you is like talking to a troofer, nothing gets through to you.

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 6:52 PM

I believe Thomas the Wraith from above has it correctly.
The problem here is that the UN is in the United States. The problem is only made worse by it being in New York City. Turtle Bay should be bulldozed with an American made bulldozer. Every foreign UN dignitary escorted to the airport and made to pay for their flights out of here. If the UN was not here, Ahmadinejad would not be coming.

RonRockstar on September 20, 2007 at 7:06 PM

I suspect that only the President now can stop this.

bnelson44 on September 20, 2007 at 3:55 PM
Don’t hold your breath.

SIJ6141 on September 20, 2007 at 7:12 PM

Viper1,

Okay, let’s see if this has occurred to you:

Attacking Ahmadinejad while he is here in the US puts you squarely up against the Secret Service, a group of men and women whose very willingness to carry out their job descriptions (see: “bullet-catcher”) makes them among the greatest patriots currently alive. Mind you, I’m an Iraq veteran.
You won’t get A without going through them. If that’s worth it to you, have at. He’s not to me.

Lancer on September 20, 2007 at 7:17 PM

Viper1,

Okay, let’s see if this has occurred to you:

Attacking Ahmadinejad while he is here in the US puts you squarely up against the Secret Service, a group of men and women whose very willingness to carry out their job descriptions (see: “bullet-catcher”) makes them among the greatest patriots currently alive. Mind you, I’m an Iraq veteran.
You won’t get A without going through them. If that’s worth it to you, have at. He’s not to me.

Lancer on September 20, 2007 at 7:17 PM

Well and truthfully said my friend, well and truthfully said…

doriangrey on September 20, 2007 at 7:20 PM

This little wiseacre has the US completely discombobulated. When his plane touches ground, there ought to be a polite inquiry made into his involvement in the 1979 embassy takeover. That’s the way you handle this little fucker. You don’t give him the keys to lady liberty’s apartment for a little convenience marriage on the way passing through.

pc on September 20, 2007 at 7:30 PM

When he says, “physically restrained” does he mean “shoot his plane out of the sky like the Vietnamese did me”?

Finally, something we agree one.

Tim Burton on September 20, 2007 at 8:34 PM

This is where the war is being lost, on the cultural front. Actaully it’s being lost on every front if you think about it.

aengus on September 20, 2007 at 8:49 PM

I wonder if Bush would pardon “someone” if “something” happened to Assmadinejad while he attempted to visit Ground Zero, and a court found that “someone” was at fault for that “something” happening?

RightWinged on September 20, 2007 at 8:57 PM

Turtle Bay should be bulldozed with an American made bulldozer. Every foreign UN dignitary escorted to the airport and made to pay for their flights out of here. If the UN was not here, Ahmadinejad would not be coming.
RonRockstar on September 20, 2007 at 7:06 PM

Actually, Turtle Bay is an incredibly beautiful part of New York with lovely brownstones surrounding a garden, so bulldozing it is a really stupid idea.

You are correct about one thing:

If the UN was not here, Ahmadinejad would not be coming.

Doriengrey,

I see that you have not been able to come up with any quotations that are actually relevant to the discussion so you are left with nothing but foolish charges that I am like a “troofer” (SIC).

That’s okay. I know how easily you get “disturbed”, and you’re the crowd control expert, after all, so maybe Bloomberg should have hired you to handle L’affaire Ahmadinijead.

Buy Danish on September 20, 2007 at 9:38 PM

Actually, Turtle Bay is an incredibly beautiful part of New York with lovely brownstones surrounding a garden, so bulldozing it is a really stupid idea.

You are correct about one thing:

If the UN was not here, Ahmadinejad would not be coming.

Doriengrey,

I see that you have not been able to come up with any quotations that are actually relevant to the discussion so you are left with nothing but foolish charges that I am like a “troofer” (SIC).

That’s okay. I know how easily you get “disturbed”, and you’re the crowd control expert, after all, so maybe Bloomberg should have hired you to handle L’affaire Ahmadinijead.

Buy Danish on September 20, 2007 at 9:38 PM

Keep the garden, level the UN building, and put a bigger garden in its place.

BKennedy on September 20, 2007 at 10:17 PM

The President of the United States of America is the Commander-in-Chief as well as the Chief Executive.

The SECRET SERVICE reports to him. He order that no Secret Service Service protection be provided to Ahmadinejad should he attempt to travel to Ground Zero or Columbia. As the US Marshals are also part of the Executive Branch, as is the State Department, and ICE, he can order that they arrest and immediately deport Ahmadinejad should he attempt to travel anywhere other than his hotel and the UN.

And when they do, I hope they show the video of him handcuffed with a bag over his head in rememberance of how he treated our embassy staff.

Michelle was correct tonight. The United States CAN prohibit his presensce in the USA. The United States can deport him immediately, as well as the entire Iranian UN contingent on national security grounds. I wish we do just that!

georgej on September 21, 2007 at 2:52 AM

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