csdeven ranting about Fred in 5…4…3…2…1

doriangrey on September 19, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Hollowpoint….. Come here boy…. no over here.. the Fred post.

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Thata’ boy.
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Good boy!

Mcguyver on September 19, 2007 at 2:16 PM

I heard Mitt had to pay people to visit his site.

/snark

omnipotent on September 19, 2007 at 2:18 PM

He makes a good point about better choice being the answer. Now if only he’d express a more detailed vision on how we accomplish that then he’s golden on this issue.

FireDrake on September 19, 2007 at 2:22 PM

Keep it going Fred….

He’s leading in SC:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_primary-233.html

sunny on September 19, 2007 at 2:24 PM

I like the feel and the “closeness” of this video.

Keep it up Fred!

omnipotent on September 19, 2007 at 2:27 PM

I’m starting to think csdeven is the guy in the Mitt campaign behind the anti-Fred website.

bj1126 on September 19, 2007 at 2:34 PM

Where is it, exactly, that you find these substantive discussions of the issues? FRED’s up 4 points over RudieJulie in the last week who, by the way, is now down to 19%.

LetFred-B-Fred!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on September 19, 2007 at 2:35 PM

Also, I think cracker barrel wisdom is a nice alternative to New Yorkansas Pantsuit Fake Accent Hillary. It’ll serve him well.

How it would play against Diesel Jockey, I’m not sure. I would love to see that race if the candidates engaged in an escalating arms race of Southern authenticity, one of them pulling out a banjo and the other sporting a coonskin cap.

Not least of which for the comic dismay it will induce in a certain Hot Air blogger.

see-dubya on September 19, 2007 at 2:37 PM

Great humor and gets the point across.

Wade on September 19, 2007 at 2:42 PM

the vampire analogy falls flat though. nice little speech, but the vampire thing sucked.

he could have used an abortion zinger, instead.

imagine a party that belongs so strongly in “choice” wants to limit your options when it comes to your own healthcare.

lorien1973 on September 19, 2007 at 2:44 PM

Check out Clinton thinking from 1993 concerning limiting Doctors. Here

Wade on September 19, 2007 at 2:48 PM

Yeah, I know nobody pays any attention to my posts, but….

The point we must make about the slave state system the Open Criminal desires to impose on us is by using video of people being thrown into prison, or having guns pointed at them because they do not wish to be covered by insurance. This is the whole truth about so-called one payer or universal coverage. The people in charge will threaten you with imprisonment and even death if you do not obey the health care dictates.

Fred is using one tack to undermine the Evil One. Someone needs to make a gritty gulag spot showing what happens to those who would not submit to a government health care mandate.

ScottG on September 19, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Hillary’s entire personal and political life can be summed up in one word . . .

“Marxist”.

rplat on September 19, 2007 at 2:51 PM

If he’s going to read from cue cards, he ought to get it right. Try another take, Fred, and don’t act so fidgety.

Big S on September 19, 2007 at 2:53 PM

He could be the president of the nice, mature, common-sense kind of people. Of course, the moonbats can’t have a president, because whoever it is will have to keep troops in Iraq until we succeed. When they get it, they’ll disown him/her.

NellE on September 19, 2007 at 2:58 PM

Rudy has that glassy look in his stare.

Fred fidgets or slaps his hand on his leg (on Leno).

McCain doesn’t have perfect skin and seems to chew tobacco, or to just keep a glassball under his cheeck all the time.

The others on the right are midgets and not worth the analysis of their ticks.

I’m mitten!

Entelechy on September 19, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Hollowpoint….. Come here boy…. no over here.. the Fred post.
Mcguyver on September 19, 2007 at 2:16 PM

Do I have my very own infatuated stalker? Sorry dude, but I don’t swing that way.

Hollowpoint on September 19, 2007 at 3:10 PM

You know, there is a candidate who actually has done more than say “Hillarycare sucks.” His name is Mitt Romney and he’s the ONLY candidate who has actually tried to do something about it, love him or hate him for it.
BKennedy on September 19, 2007 at 2:29 PM

I don’t hate him for it, but from what little he’s put forth RomneyCare sounds far too simliar to HillaryCare for my liking.

Health care is a problem, unfortunately it’s a problem with no good solution (at least I’ve not seen one). Every proposal either involves government bureauracy, a reduction in the quality of care, leaves some people out or involves an increase in costs to users or taxpayers.

Hollowpoint on September 19, 2007 at 3:19 PM

The thoughts of others, applicable to Hillary Clinton, our would-be, Marxist President:

“He She pretends to be devoted to the people, and lives in a palace, preaches socialism, and draws a salary that would support a province [from Vera, or the Nihilists].”
- Oscar Wilde

“Socialists do not merely want a welfare state, they absolutely must have one. They must have a groveling dependent class from which to obtain their daily opiate: an hallucinogenic euphoria which comes from the delusion of being superior to, … all others.”
- Edward Britton

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
- William Pitt the Younger

“This is the greatest danger that today threatens civilization: State intervention; the absorption of all spontaneous social effort by the State, …

In our days the State has come to be a formidable machine … set up in the midst of society … anonymous … a machine whose existence and maintenance depend on the vital supports around it … sucking the very marrow out of society.”
- Jose Ortega y Gasset

“Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom; socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: where democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community … The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.
- Alexis de Tocqueville

OhEssYouCowboys on September 19, 2007 at 3:37 PM

McCain doesn’t have perfect skin and seems to chew tobacco, or to just keep a glassball under his cheeck all the time.

Isn’t that from his bout with cancer?

I’m mitten!

His hair is amazing, isn’t it?

SouthernDem on September 19, 2007 at 3:42 PM

Don’t polls show that most Americans support socialized medicine at this point? I’m not aware that there’s the kind of opposition to Hillarycare that there was a decade ago. Most Americans hear “free health care for the needy” and they think it’s a great idea.

You know, because most Americans are idiots.

We just passed socialized health care in Wisconsin, and there wasn’t some massive public outcry. And by the time Hillary takes office, the negative effects of Wisconsincare won’t be obvious yet, so I think she’ll get it, especially since she’ll have strong Democrat majorities in Congress.

Isn’t it too late at this point? Aren’t we all spiraling toward socialist hell with no way back? That’s the sense I get.

Enrique on September 19, 2007 at 3:57 PM

Isn’t it too late at this point? Aren’t we all spiraling toward socialist hell with no way back? That’s the sense I get.

Enrique on September 19, 2007 at 3:57 PM

Americans want Socialism. They’ve been indoctrinated, from elementary school on. I truly believe that the America that I grew up in is lost. Now, it’s only a matter of time before it becomes just another stagnant, socialist cesspool. The quotes above were just my method of venting. My America is lost - and the cattle will just keep chewing their cud [the cud being provided by the State - of course].

OhEssYouCowboys on September 19, 2007 at 4:05 PM

… the perception that Hillary’s taking this issue seriously enough to formulate a detailed plan while Fred’s pulling his chin and spouting cracker-barrel wisdom isn’t as easily shaken.
posted at 2:12 pm on September 19, 2007 by Allahpundit

I’ll let you in on the dirty little secret: there never has been, and there never will be, anything complicated about politics.

I don’t know if you’ve been paying any attention to the news, but a little while back there was some flack over a 400-page plan to finally fix America’s immigration problem once and for all. You could count on one hand the number of people who bothered to read it.

Turns out, the vast majority of Americans could not possibly care less about how “competent” our civil servants constantly tell us they are. And the more amazingly complicated their latest Plan To Make All Our Problems Melt Like Little Lemon Drops In a Warm Summer Rain is, the less we want to hear about it.

Newsflash: NOBODY CARES what Hillary’s Five Year plan says. Only a very small percentage of people, when it comes right down to it, get a warm fuzzy feeling when we hear the phrase: “I’m with the government, and I’m here to help you.” And the more she tries to tell us about all those wonderful little details, the more we will hate it - and her.

You can trust the average person to know that the Devil is in the details, but they don’t have patience for much else. If we let liberals suck us into their moronic argument about how much better our version of Socialized Medicine is than their version of Socialized Medicine, then we’ve already lost.

logis on September 19, 2007 at 4:20 PM

radjah shelduck on September 19, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Gawd knows Mitt, Rudy, John or radjah would never do that.

Limerick on September 19, 2007 at 4:44 PM

Hillary will be nominated for the Dems as the front runner. That’s pretty much guaranteed at this point. Fred has only has to out conservative the front runner conservatives to win the GOP nomination. At this point it’s not a battle between Fred and Hillary. It’s more like a battle for the GOP.

If Fred can get the attention from the GOP supporters then he wins. If Fred does win, then he will have to contend with Hilldog.

Egfrow on September 19, 2007 at 4:46 PM

You know what pisses me off about Fred? He makes great statements and then leaves them hanging.

“The best way to improve health care….is to expand choice”

F’n A BUBBA! But then what Fred? Give us the details!

“That’s a thought scary enough to make you sick.”

hahaha That’s a great line.

csdeven on September 19, 2007 at 5:00 PM

This ad was obviously stage just like the Michael Moore video. But it was still pretty clever even if it was devoid of details.

csdeven on September 19, 2007 at 5:05 PM

csdeven, you’re amuzing, even self-amuzing :) Cheers!

Isn’t it too late at this point? Aren’t we all spiraling toward socialist hell with no way back? That’s the sense I get.

Enrique on September 19, 2007 at 3:57 PM

No

SouthernDem on September 19, 2007 at 3:42 PM

To be sure SD, I wasn’t making fun of his cancer. I just looked quickly for anything to parody them all with, except of course “Mr. Beautiful/Perfect”.

Entelechy on September 19, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Big S on September 19, 2007 at 2:53 PM

Yeah, you got that right.

csdeven on September 19, 2007 at 5:10 PM

radjah shelduck on September 19, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Bwahahahahahaa!!!!!!

csdeven on September 19, 2007 at 5:14 PM

Ok…..I’ll bite…..

Please detail the Mitt/Rudy/McCain plan. Please provide links.

Limerick on September 19, 2007 at 5:18 PM

Fred knows more about protecting Libyan terrorists than reforming medical care. He should stick to what he knows.

tommylotto on September 19, 2007 at 5:16 PM

The lawyer that Fred gave advice to should’ve just advised them to cross the border illegally and move to NYC where Rudy would protect them.

Hollowpoint on September 19, 2007 at 5:20 PM

Hollowpoint on September 19, 2007 at 5:20 PM

The fact remains that Fred lobbies for dictators and gives legal advice to terrorists.

csdeven on September 19, 2007 at 5:22 PM

Rudy has a plan…

Expand Choice Through Tax Code Reform: America’s tax system penalizes millions of citizens without access to employer health care, including 40 percent of employees at small firms. Americans without employer-based insurance should have tax benefits just as the 175 million Americans with employment-based coverage do. Rudy proposes an income exclusion of up to $15,000 for those without employer coverage to make insurance more affordable.

Help Low-Income Individuals and Families Secure Health Insurance: Rudy proposes a Health Insurance Credit to low-income Americans that can be coupled with other revenue sources such as Medicaid and employer contributions to make coverage more affordable to millions of the uninsured.

Drive Quality and Price Transparency: Rudy believes creating visibility of price, provider qualifications, and risk-adjusted procedure outcomes will expand competition and open up new motivation for improving quality and reducing cost.

TRANSFORM BUREAUCRACIES AND CHANGE HEALTH CARE DELIVERY

Reform the Medical Liability Legal System: Defensive medicine is a tremendous burden on our nation with liability insurance in some states costing over $200,000 for OB/GYNs. Rudy’s commitment to end frivolous lawsuits without limiting compensation for real economic loss is key to comprehensive health care reform.

Reward States For Innovative Solutions: Rudy will encourage states to improve health care quality and make health insurance more affordable by offering block grants to encourage innovation, reduce health costs, enroll eligible uninsured, and solve adverse selection issues.

Require Availability of Low-Cost Insurance Options: Regulation must not deny access to affordable coverage, and currently over 1,900 state mandates limit coverage options and increase costs from 20 to 45 percent. If a state?s mandates prevent affordable health care coverage, citizens should be allowed to purchase coverage through interstate markets.

Save Lives and Reduce Costs by Streamlining the FDA Process: Rudy will bring greater accountability and efficiency to the evaluation process for new drugs by ensuring that government regulation does not delay new cures or needlessly cost lives. The current process is so regulated that a new drug takes 12-15 years to get to the market.

Invest In Health IT to Reduce Medical Errors, Improve Efficiency, and Detect Health Threats: Each year, thousands of hospital deaths are attributed to preventable medical errors. Public-private partnerships to improve and set standards for health IT without overbearing regulations can play a major role in improving care and reducing costs.

REFORM HEALTH CARE COVERAGE TO PROMOTE A HEALTHIER AMERICA

Improve and Expand Health Savings Accounts: Health savings accounts provide incentives for consumers to maximize the value of services tailored to their needs. Rudy will expand access to these accounts by simplifying the rules and regulations so that insurance coverage will meet the health care goals of individuals and families.

Infuse Incentives in Insurance Markets That Promote Wellness and Better Outcomes for Chronic Diseases: Health insurance must be redefined to cover wellness as well as sickness. In conjunction with recommendations from doctors and nurses, Rudy will propose new initiatives to promote healthy lifestyles and wellness programs, and tie Medicaid payments to a state’s success in promoting preventative care and tracking obesity for children.

tommylotto on September 19, 2007 at 5:23 PM

Mallard T. Drake on September 19, 2007 at 4:44 PM

How long are you going to reside in lala land?

csdeven on September 19, 2007 at 5:24 PM

For over 30 years this country has been trying to get the free-market approach to healthcare to work right, and still can’t do it. For self-employed me to get the “choice” that Fred extolls, it costs $850 per month, and that’s still with a sizable deductible. I’ve shopped around, and usually anything less than about $900 per month for a family of four means you are under-insured. Many find that intolerable and will not be persuaded by the “anti-Marxist” scare arguments any more. Not everyone has Clinton Discernment Syndrome (opposite of BDS) like I do, and we could easily lose in 08 if all we have is negativity to offer on this issue.

G. Charles on September 19, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Really good points, all. Unfortunately, the cost to health care providers/insurers keeps going up, and so they just turn around and pass the costs along to us. And where lies the blame? Plaintiff lawyers probably #1 culprit - continuously going after physicians, hospitals, and Big Pharma. And it’s hard for me to imagine a politician out on the campaign trail repeatedly blasting ambulance chasing trial attorneys. He would get castigated.

RushBaby on September 19, 2007 at 5:25 PM

csd….LOL…yeah…so workable and all that ;0

I’m still on the Blue side of the lawn folks. The longer we go on fighting each other the better the odds are that Billary will be CIC. I’m with Newt (and Allah)…….you all better thaw out the crow because not a single one of these candidates of ours is making an impression on Joe Public.

Limerick on September 19, 2007 at 5:37 PM

Limerick on September 19, 2007 at 5:37 PM

I tend to disagree. Right now, it is too early, and there’s too many candidates to choose from. Once the 2nd tier gets fleshed out, we’ll be in a much better position to take on Hitlery.

jdawg on September 19, 2007 at 5:44 PM

Fred was exactly right in what he said. Why should you have a detailed plan on something that the Feds should have nothing to do with? My solution to the so called “health care crisis” would be as follows. Make all Health Care Insurance illegal. This would take us back to the 30’s or 40’s when medical costs were reasonable. I know I am going to get a lot of flack over this thought but consider this, it was not a problem until we got insurance companies involved.

duff65 on September 19, 2007 at 5:49 PM

No problems. People just got sick and died.

No more ofter than they do now my friend.

duff65 on September 19, 2007 at 5:54 PM

jdawg

Tort reform might even be better but it will never happen when most of congress are lawyers.

duff65 on September 19, 2007 at 5:58 PM

From Fred’s website:

I am committed to a healthcare system that:

* Realigns programs and creates a system around individual consumers and patients by providing more information and more opportunities to choose affordable health care options that best meet their needs and those of their families.
* Improves the individual health of all Americans by shifting to a system that promotes cost-effective prevention, chronic-care management, and personal responsibility
* Modernizes delivery and administration of care by encouraging the widespread use of clinical best practices, medical information technology, and other innovations.
* Increases competition and consumer choice while streamlining regulations through free-market solutions that benefit individuals and reduce costs for employers.
* Promotes and speeds medical research and life-sciences innovation.

RushBaby on September 19, 2007 at 6:02 PM

Make all Health Care Insurance illegal. This would take us back to the 30’s or 40’s when medical costs were reasonable. I know I am going to get a lot of flack over this thought but consider this, it was not a problem until we got insurance companies involved.

duff65 on September 19, 2007 at 5:49 PM

Health care has advanced exponentially (and got a lot more expensive) since the 40’s. Banning health insurance makes zero sense for anyone but the rich.

One good suggestion that’s been made is to allow insurance companies to operate like other types of insurance in that they can compete nationwide under the same rules.

Hollowpoint on September 19, 2007 at 6:08 PM

tommylotto

I was not suggesting that things have not improved since the 30’s, 40’s or 50’s. I was suggesting that we get the federal government and the insurance companies out of “health care”.

duff65 on September 19, 2007 at 6:11 PM

Here in California we cap all medical malpractice pain and suffering damage awards at a max of $250,000. So if an incompetent doctor is grossly negligent botches an operation and leaves your child permanently disfigured, disabled and in excrutiating pain for the rest of her miserable life, the most you can be awared in California for her pain and suffering is $250,000…

The insurance company want this type of “tort reform” across the counrty saying we need to discourage frivolous lawsuits. Tell me, if the case is so frivolous, why would the jury award more than a quarter million dollars. I will tell you why, tort reform is not designed to protect us from frivolous lawsuits. It is to protect the insurance companies from MERITORIOUS lawsuits. Fivolous lawsuits may cost a fortune to defend or result in an unfair pre-trial settlement, but a cap on damages has no impact, can have no impact, on frivolous lawsuits. If damages were awarded, particularly in an amount greater than $250,000, the case is by definition — not frivolous.

P.S. The damage CAP in CA has not resulted in lower insurance rates or better health care. Exit question: Who gets to keep the money when the jury awards more than $250,000 to a damaged Plaintiff and the award is reduced by operation of law?

tommylotto on September 19, 2007 at 6:14 PM

You know what Thompson’s problem is? Unlike Mitt, or Rudi, or McCain, he just doesn’t LOOK presidential. He looks like the type of guy who would lie around the house in a dirty, torn tee shirt, scratching himself in unmentionable places and farting very loudly.

radjah shelduck on September 19, 2007 at 4:25 PM

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Or do you think it’s time for a metrosexual president?

TexasDan on September 19, 2007 at 6:16 PM

As the man said: “There are no easy answers. But there are SIMPLE answers.”

logis on September 19, 2007 at 6:16 PM

Who is the man, Ron Paul?

tommylotto on September 19, 2007 at 6:18 PM

For over 30 years this country has been trying to get the free-market approach to healthcare to work right, and still can’t do it. For self-employed me to get the “choice” that Fred extolls, it costs $850 per month, and that’s still with a sizable deductible. I’ve shopped around, and usually anything less than about $900 per month for a family of four means you are under-insured. Many find that intolerable and will not be persuaded by the “anti-Marxist” scare arguments any more. Not everyone has Clinton Discernment Syndrome (opposite of BDS) like I do, and we could easily lose in 08 if all we have is negativity to offer on this issue.

G. Charles on September 19, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Oh, I figure we’ll lose and lose big in 2008. We’ll lose the White House and lose seats in both the House and Senate. We’re going to lose on healthcare because the “free market” has more control over our political representation than we do. In effect the “free market” has become a unruly and sometimes even evil wild market. In effect the same people that complain when Cavuto plays a Paris Hilton clip don’t even bat an eye when Mattel lays off tens of thousands of Americans and ships it business to China and then has the huevos to sell Americans toys poisoned with lead paint. To keep this in the realm of health care the self same free market conservatives don’t bat an eye at the fact that the health care insurers have, for decades, made obscenely huge profits while a huge segment of the American voters struggle to pay their health care premiums every month. I’m not even going to go into the fact that many of these insurers own a part of the very hospitals they pay out money to.

Now I like freedom and even free markets but freedom without an equal amount of responsibility is dangerous. I have nothing but disdain for parents who let their children run wild and then complain one day that they cannot control them so why should I feel sorry for Mattel or the insurance companies who we allowed to take advantage of us.

Yeah, we’re going to lose and lose big come November ‘08 but it’s all our own fault. Our pet “free markets” have been biting the voters hands for too long now and our response has been to make them more free and more wild so now the voter is going to try Hillary’s socialized medicine and our businesses are going to be taxed to the hilt and our government will get even bigger and more wasteful.

Buzzy on September 19, 2007 at 6:39 PM