- The Cat

The world isn’t round! It’s kinda lumpy and bumpy—approximating an egg shape actually.

No, actually, it is quite round to the eye.

We know evolution happenned by comparing the DNA of different species, which is indeed measurable. They form a rather neat tree full of evolutionary branches. It’s the exact mechanism of evolution that is unclear.

Tantor on September 19, 2007 at 6:06 PM

Uh, with each new discovery scientists have to admit that it’s anything but “neat”, and they abandoned the old “tree” earlier this year because it just wasn’t working anymore as ACTUAL EVIDENCE came in. Revealingly they still praised the debunked tree as a method to get non-believers (in evolution) to believe, whether it was dishonest or not.

You don’t have “a rather neat tree” either. You have conjecture and distortion being forced on it against the actual data.

jdpaz on September 19, 2007 at 6:23 PM

Couldn’t have said it better. Sadly, the “scientists” brainwashed a couple generations with this BS before abandoning it, but do you think they’ll work as hard to tell people the “tree” is a myth?

Oh, I wasn’t actually thinking of the imaginary god as the designer.

You’re spouting the party line about a topic you are obviously not prepared to debate.

You mock my belief in an “imaginary” Designer and yet you freely admit your theory has no mechanism (not even a conceivable one).

You don’t have “a rather neat tree” either. You have conjecture and distortion being forced on it against the actual data.

Actually, it isn’t when the designer is an imaginary god while the DNA is real. Evolution is a simpler explanation for the differences between species which have a common origin than an all powerful god who did it with magic.

jdpaz: “Don’t flippantly toss out that 5% difference as being nothing. Do the math and you find that you need to average 120 positive mutations per generation (a measurable thing). We find that here in the real world there is hardly such a thing as a positive mutation (think Downs Syndrome).”

Evolution among a species does not progress linearly but rather massively in parallel. Characteristics of species are tested for fitness to the environment in every individual along with combinations of of characteristics. A successful characteristic of combination of characteristics can propagate throughout the population fairly quickly in terms of generations.

jdpaz: “So where (macro)evolution is measurable, it falls very flat.”

We know evolution happenned by comparing the DNA of different species, which is indeed measurable. They form a rather neat tree full of evolutionary branches. It’s the exact mechanism of evolution that is unclear.

Couple quick points… Christians don’t say that science and the Bible contradict each other. They say the wild assumptions and interpretations made by the mainstream science community are bogus, and if we are to do honest studying and reporting, there aren’t conflicts. It’s the same as global warming… any logical person realizes what a pile of crap it is, but we’re told there’s a “consensus” and that the “debate is over”, etc. etc. Also, evolutionists constantly use “science” and “evolution” interchangeably, which is wrong. You say you disagree with evolution, instantly the rection is “but it’s science!”. But no, it’s not science, it’s a belief system based on what most believe to be a ridiculous interpretation of the evidence, and we have daily discoveries throwing wrenches in the prewritten Darwin tale.

Tantor on September 19, 2007 at 4:23 PM

I don’t think anyone’s suggesting that ape and human DNA are so similar because of coincidence. Like a Porsche and a VW, a common designer is just as adequate an explanation as a common ancestor.

Don’t flippantly toss out that 5% difference as being nothing.
Do the math and you find that you need to average 120 positive mutations per generation (a measurable thing). We find that here in the real world there is hardly such a thing as a positive mutation (think Downs Syndrome).

So where (macro)evolution is measurable, it falls very flat.

Actually, the fact that human and chimpanzee DNA are mostly identical except for about 5% is proof that we had a common ancestor. That infers that we evolved from that common ancestor in different ways. All animal life shares common DNA to greater and lesser degrees, which means we sprang from a common ancestor. All flora and fauna have some small amount of common DNA which infers plant and animal life started from a common ancestor.

Now you can argue about how that divergence occurred but every living thing on Earth carries the proof in its DNA that all life evolved from lower forms. The odds of primates having all that common DNA by coincidence is infinitesimal.

That common DNA also infers that life on Earth was begun from a single spark. You’d think that if life arose spontaneously from conditions on Earth, there would be competing life forms with no common DNA. The fact that life all began from a single source leads me to believe that its basic form was introduced from outside the Earth. Perhaps the basic building blocks of life combined over billions of years and combinations out there in the cosmos and just one came to rest on Earth, perhaps in cosmic ice, in the right place where it could flourish.

Evolution is a theory that has been observed an demonstrated within species, but never from one to another. A finch may adapt to it’s environment and become a finch with a different kind of beak or whatever, but it’s still a finch! There is still no proof that monkey’s become chimps become humans, etc.

Genesis 1: 24 “And God said, ‘Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.’”

According to their own kind ain’t “evolve into other kinds.”

I think that’s what she meant to say!

She’s not sure if the earth is flat?

Wow! …..just WOW!

I never heard of this woman. Has she ever done anything besides, “The View?” I want to know what to avoid…

JannyMae on September 19, 2007 at 3:39 PM

Again, knew a trap was coming but didn’t know how deal with it.

She was Brad Garrett’s character’s partner on Everybody Loves Raymond. Sherri Shepherd

- The Cat

P.S.

I don’t give her credit for knowing anything about the bible. But if she WAS going there, there’s always Isaiah 40:22. :-)

Laura on September 19, 2007 at 3:26 PM

I don’t either, but it’s a commonly used tactic. And Isaiah is a good one to respond with.

Kokonut on September 19, 2007 at 2:06 PM

Not to be nit-picky but the rotational speed of the earth is the same everywhere on the surface. The tangential velocity is what’s greater at the equator (I’m a poet!1!) The increased tangential velocity (not rotational) at the equator is why the SeaLaunch project was started. There’s no such a thing as “centrifugal force”—it’s “centripetal”.

Ok, I’m being nit-picky…

My point (and I had one) was that it’s a simplification to say that the earth is any kind of exact shape at all. It’s generally spheroidal but in reality it’s a bumpy rock.

Evolution is a faith and its followers are just as dogmatic as any christian I’ve ever met.

Wow! …..just WOW!

I never heard of this woman. Has she ever done anything besides, “The View?” I want to know what to avoid…

Evolutions is real. All you need for evidence is Hollywood.
On-my-soap-box on September 19, 2007 at 1:38 PM

That would be DEvolution, wouldn’t it? I watched Stage Door Canteen the other night and marveled at the change in Hollywood.

P.S. Whoopi was probably going to pull the “Oh you beleive everyword in the Bible and take it litterally, well what about ‘The Four Corners of The Earth’ verse? Huh? Huh? Well?” Of course not taking into the fact that in Hebrew it’s 4 quarters no corners. Ya know like North/South Hemisphere East/West Hemisphere. Look 4 quarters.

MirCat on September 19, 2007 at 1:10 PM

I don’t give her credit for knowing anything about the bible. But if she WAS going there, there’s always Isaiah 40:22. :-)

In faith vs science argument, science will always win with reasonable people. There’s no immutable law in either discipline that two must be mutually exclusive.

As a card-carrying agnostic, I’m happy to believe in a higher power who kicked life, the universe, and everything into motion, and I’m just as happy to see the virtue of the evolution hypothesis of how humans came to be. There is no contradiction there for me.

For once, I think Whoopie is actually being reasonable here.

That woman needs to get out of Kansas once in a while.

Nah, the bottom rung is always occupied. They’re just the birds currently perching there. It’s the magic of Hollywood that has brought them together making it look like humanity’s devolving.