Video: Cops tase moonbat at Kerry speech just to watch him squirm
posted at 9:48 pm on September 17, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Well, not exactly. Via Jay Stephenson, the video shows the cops moving in after just one question although the article Dan Riehl found suggests the guy had been at it for a bit longer than that. I wonder what, if anything, he said or did to alarm them before the clip picks up; they’re awfully quick to grab at him after he finishes speaking and for no discernible reason. From there it plays out like the UCLA incident last year — screaming, struggling, and finally pain-compliance via the taser, which typically is supposed to be used to immobilize a suspect who’s threatening the officer, not to quiet down someone who’s in custody.
As usual with these things, everyone involved comes off badly.
Update: HuffPo’s headline captures the Arianna interpretation of the incident perfectly.
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Buzzy on September 18, 2007 at 2:02 AM
Maybe this guy just wanted to be tazered afyrt listening to John Kerry speak for two hours. It must of been very tramatic experience to go though that
The tazering was the relaxing part
William Amos on September 18, 2007 at 2:03 AM
All you need to do to see where WackoThacker is coming from is look at his/her 1:16 AM comment:
Why yes. That is how we should train our police.
Before gaining control of an agitated suspect, REALLY piss them off by reading them their rights and telling them they have a right to remain “silent”… something this gentleman was not inclined to do anyway.
That is so much better than “stop resisting” under the circumstances.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:04 AM
I’m not trying to defend this guy at all. However he would not have ever hurt anyone and that was apparent after he started speaking.
The police should have handled it differently. AND Kerry should have handled it differently. I’m sure you all will be shocked when this crackpot brings litigation not because he was right about anything but because the police here were wrong. I won’t.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:04 AM
Well he should have just put his tongue on the mic’.
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:05 AM
You’ve never seen a single episode of ‘Cops,’ have you?
Come on over. We’ll drink some Natty Light and I’ll edumacate you. Or we can watch those Chris Hanson “Catch a Predator” specials. Watching 15 cops gang tackle a 130 pound Internet perv is always funny.
What you just described above – even the exact way you describe it – shows up in just about every episode of ‘Cops.’ Here’s the hint: even if the cops are laying on you, you better quit squirming and tensing. Or they’re going to yell at you to quit resisting and apply more force. Every single time.
The only differences I can see between this video and every episode of Cops ever is: 1) Some really boring guy droning in the background, and 2) fewer tattoos.
Hey, you can start your edumakation here. Not the best example, but its a pretty good display of why you really should just chill when the cops want you to. Oh, its a nice illustration of a taser too! Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JULNrvIFz3Q&mode=related&search=
Professor Blather on September 18, 2007 at 2:05 AM
No, it wasn’t. You would never make it on a police force. Ever.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:05 AM
Christoph, my point behind that was that BEFORE she said ‘YOU ARE UNDER ARREST’ she said ‘STOP RESISTING’
Of course there is no difference. I’m sure all confrontations with people who aren’t physical threats start with ’stop resisting’ before they say ‘you are under arrest’.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:05 AM
The citizen gets his chance for his side of the story after the police have control, not before. To insist otherwise just makes it harder for everybody.
The guy who gave the hand signal to cut the mic was behind the cops and not in uniform. He must have been one of the Illuminati.
pedestrian on September 18, 2007 at 2:06 AM
Eww who knows maybe Gerado got spit on it………..
William Amos on September 18, 2007 at 2:06 AM
Blather, the difference is that those people were DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL. This guy was not.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:07 AM
I prefer being in a situation where I can do some good. In my experience with cops, they rarely do anything to help a situation. They are good at coming in after the fact and saying, yep, a crime was committed here. . . you want me to tase somebody with my handy dandy tool?
And, ‘do you know how fast you were going?’
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:10 AM
Finally ThackerAgency says something I agree with.
However, he seems to willingfully overlook the fact that there might be a loop hole in Police procedure. One that these radicals exploit.
We can concede that given all of the things they could have done to ThackerAgency satisfaction, these tactics are well known and Police do the best they can. This still leaves them in a difficult position.
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:10 AM
I think this is another part of the liberals vs conservatives test
Instead of “M”a and “W”s they electrify a mike and see how many shocks it takes for a liberal to learn that ranting the same crap over and over again before the universe cracks down on you with its tazer of karmatic justic
William Amos on September 18, 2007 at 2:11 AM
You’re such a looney. Seriously.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:12 AM
THANK GOD FOR THAT!!!
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:13 AM
The other thing you have to keep in mind when police are at these events where you have a Senator there, is that they’re not acting just in their capacity as law enforcement officers. They are also there to assist with security, executive protection.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:13 AM
Damn right! Wait… wasn’t it John Kerry?
Thinking…. Thinking… Thinking…
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:15 AM
Sigh. And I was so enjoying just being snarky. But I just saw something too stupid too ignore.
That is a frankly offensive remark and so ill-informed (and so deeply indicative of a bias you’ve been concealing) that I don’t know whether to laugh at you or tase you. Can I do both?
That you are uneducated in both the law and criminal justice has been apparent throughout the thread. But I honestly thought you were having a good-faith discussion.
In reality, you’re a cop-hater, aren’t you? You honestly believe they “rarely do anything to help a situation?”
Do I really need to rhetorically dismantle you – or would you like to consider and perhaps apologize for that statement which is 1) laughably and obviously inaccurate and 2) offensive to many thousands of law enforcement officers?
Get back to me.
When you’re done apologizing, if you’d like, I’ll be happy to explain to you 1) exactly what laws this dumb sap clearly violated (I count a minimum of three) and 2) why your suggestions that they should have let him go or informed him of his crime or read him his rights prior to securing him (were you serious?) are not only brain-dead suggestions but contrary to basic constitutional law and well-decided case precedent …
C’mon, kid. You don’t really mean that ill-tempered remark about men and women in uniform, do you? And you don’t really think police need to inform a person of their crime and read them their rights before escorting them out of a private function in which they’re causing a disturbance … do you?
Do you?
Why’d you have to ruin my buzz?
Professor Blather on September 18, 2007 at 2:16 AM
Interestingly can anyone name the single US network carrying this story ?
William Amos on September 18, 2007 at 2:18 AM
I am always glad to see the police. As bad as this guy was, they always have to consider somebody else in the room who may decide to take matters in their own hands.
Had I been there (right), I would not have been like the sheep. I would have stood up and told him to “shut the hell up”.
Now what would be his response? He might err and call me a name. Well then it is on. “What did you call me?!!”
That is the scenario that cops have to deal with, even in a crowd of pacifist/liberal/democrat Kerry lovers (cause they are so peaceful and all).
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:20 AM
but he did nothing illegal. I was at an event with my senator this weekend. Anybody at any time could come up to him and agree or disagree. Kerry was inviting comments. This guy was agreeing with Kerry.
This guy was a nut, and I’m not defending what he said. BUT HE DID NOTHING ILLEGAL. . . The cops did.
Every time there’s a break in here, the police come by and take a report but do nothing. They can’t do anything. I’ve had friends shot dead in cold blood, police come by and say, yep, he was murdered. . . I have nothing against them, but I sure don’t depend on them. . . WHEN I SAY HELP I EXPECT THE POLICE TO SLOW DOWN UNLESS I AM A DIRECT THREAT TO THEM. . . But I know situations where they have beaten other people up who weren’t threats to them.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:20 AM
Sigh.
Simple question: are you aware of the legal definition of “arrest?” Do you believe police must arrest someone to temporarily detain them? Do you believe police must charge someone with a crime prior to detaining them?
Think carefully.
Buzz kill.
Professor Blather on September 18, 2007 at 2:21 AM
You just figure that out?. Anybody who saw how that guy started swinging when he got to the door, and then asks “did they read him his rights?”…
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:23 AM
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:24 AM
OK, well lets see, the local news TONIGHT here just indicted 2 police chiefs on FEDERAL CORRUPTION CHARGES. . . and another down east is under arrest for BURYING 9 puppies alive.
I don’t ‘hate’ cops. . . but I don’t necessarily trust them either based on my experiences. I don’t expect them to help me if I’m in trouble.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:24 AM
Thank you’re just stupid. Word chosen intentionally because it describes your position to a T.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:25 AM
Blather, I’d like to think that before someone can be arrested they need to be breaking a law.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:25 AM
Thank = Then.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:25 AM
Wow, too many of you are quick to play the sheep. He’ll have his day in court, and that’s good and well, but the most police lose when they make wrongful arrests mistakes is a few days pay if that. While it cost the innocent guy jail time, court & administrative fees, possibly his job, and months to prove his innocence, and the only lesson he learned is to be a better sheep.
Free Constitution on September 18, 2007 at 2:26 AM
Yuck! I thought you said “Cops taste moonbat”… I was feeling pretty darned bad for those cops.
Kevin M on September 18, 2007 at 2:27 AM
Wow. Just wow. You ignored his comment at 2:21. And at 2:16.
You completely missed the point.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:27 AM
Christoph, your just an A$$. Word chosen carefully because it describes your characterization of me on this whole thread. Had this happened in Iran you would all be talking about how terrible it was that Iran was cracking down.
I never have and would never ask for help. . . mainly because I don’t expect the police will. . . as evidenced in this clip.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:27 AM
I feel sorry for you. Have you every gone up to the cops in your neighborhood and said “officer I am concerned about my block, do you mind driving through now and then?”
Perhaps your neighborhood has the “don’t snitch” mentality. Cops should ignore you. I wonder were there witnesses to the crimes you mentioned. Did anyone help the police?
Perhaps there is something in the water where you live, and people just snap and shoot folks. Or do people know who the bad guys are but they “don’t wanna snitch”?
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:29 AM
ThackerAgency, this comment:
… is the one you hanged yourself with. The rest were just dumb.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:29 AM
Oh. Never mind. You really are just a cop hater.
Just a fashionable sort of bigotry. Enjoy it.
As for me, I’ll go on showing a little respect to those who do a tough job that might put their lives on the line to protect mine … and yours.
You’re a little too transparent now, Thacker.
But for God’s sake, get yourself educated. Some basic criminal law and constitutional law courses would help.
The police can lawfully detain you for any number of reasons. That does not equate to arrest and it does not necessitate criminal charges.
When police give you a lawful instruction, if you disobey – you just committed a misdemeanor in every jurisdiction.
This dumb kid clearly violated that statute; he was also clearly disturbing the peace and clearly guilty of disorderly conduct. A decent DA could find half a dozen other charges that would stick.
All of which is largely irrelevant. The police gave him a lawful order. All he had to do was walk out of the place and talk to them quietly.
Never mind. Neither the law nor common police procedure nor the facts interest you. You’re just a bigot, aren’t you?
Explaining this to you is like explaining Martin Luther King day to a Klansman. Nothing is getting through the hate, is it?
I take it back. No Natty Light for you.
Good night all. This putz has depressed me. I thought open cop hate went out of style after 9/11. Sad to find it here.
Professor Blather on September 18, 2007 at 2:30 AM
Stuff happens and life isn’t always a bed of roses. But this guy was just making life harder for himself, as would anyone resisting arrest. Trying to make the world a just place when you are outnumbered 6 to 1 by armed cops is just stupid. There’s just a better way.
pedestrian on September 18, 2007 at 2:30 AM
I’ve definitely seen and experienced good and bad cops. But still. The amount of good and necessary work the police do outweighs the bad by an order of magnitude.
I’m sure this sniveling “read me my rights you terrible goons” crybaby would by screaming for the police when the wolf shows up at the door.
Now the question, ThackerAgency, is which person am I talking about?
The answer is: yes.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:32 AM
Blather, I don’t know why you call me a ‘cop hater’.
Nifong is the DA about 30 miles from me. He’s a peach!
I don’t hate cops. I don’t think they help. I don’t expect them to help. I just told you what happened. It is fact. I don’t hate anyone because of it. Characterize me as a putz if you want to for telling the truth. But it doesn’t make you right.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:34 AM
I’m not sure what he is. He sounds like he is making it up.
If he was a poor kid living in the ghetto (we so many of those in here) – he wouldn’t have started with all this legal jazz.
He would have come out and said – F*ck the Police.
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:36 AM
I really believe that this incident and this thread has convinced me to become an attorney. I can’t believe that people think it is OK for police to rough up someone who hasn’t committed a crime.
Even if I ‘loved the police’ (I always do what they say but I try to avoid them as much as possible), I’d think that what happened here was a travesty. And as I say, I REALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS GUY AND THINK HE’S A NUT. But I would defend him in a second after just seeing this video tape.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:37 AM
Sadly, no.
I wouldn’t bet on that.
Which s/he completely doesn’t understand.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:38 AM
I don’t hate the police agrippa. they are just basically impotent when it comes to deterrence. I’m not making any of this up. The cops here were indicted in no small part for being ‘racists’ . . . TONIGHT.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:38 AM
One of the other studies said that conservatives have more nightmares. I think we’re are just more aware of what dangers are out there. For a brief time after 9/11 the whole country was, but now it’s back to just us.
pedestrian on September 18, 2007 at 2:38 AM
There is, but my temper wouldn’t allow for me and many others who know they are being wrongfully arrested to comply. Nobody deserves it. I’ve been arrested and my disdain for cops shows. We expect a lot from them, and at the same time not enough. From my experience they should better understand their constitutional obligations.
Free Constitution on September 18, 2007 at 2:41 AM
I assume you’ve read that article, pedestrian, the one I linked to in that comment. If so, great. If not, you’ll enjoy it.
Now this time I really do need to go! It’s been fun. Dissin’ someone — and not feeling guilty because they really are as stupid as you say they are — just gets me off.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:41 AM
You will very quickly learn that not obeying an order from an officer in uniform is a crime, or you will be a very lonely attorney.
pedestrian on September 18, 2007 at 2:41 AM
Ahh, but the line is blurred when that order conflicts with the first amendment, the second amendment, etc. Then what to do… Don’t tell me to be a sheep.
Free Constitution on September 18, 2007 at 2:43 AM
Wow Christoph, I used to have some respect for you. . . but you are really an A$$
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:43 AM
You can do both.
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 2:44 AM
Police need help. They are not clairvoyant. Just human.
ThackerAgency – I don’t know what you call yourself, but you are a liberal. Expecting cops to prevent crime without help from the community is childish.
Have you EVER seen a drug dealer, pimp, or hooker? What did you do about it?
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:46 AM
Oh god we’ve got another one…
Agrippa2k on September 18, 2007 at 2:48 AM
Are you really going to lay it all down for the right to address goofy questions to a idiot senator?
It’s fine to talk about sacred 1st & 2nd ammendment rights, but this guy didn’t even want to hear the answers. He might as well have been yelling at strangers on the sidewalk.
pedestrian on September 18, 2007 at 2:51 AM
Well I’m more rational. The guy was disorderly, disrespectful, and a little more resistant to the cops than I thought necessary even if he was truly being treated unjustly. After all they just wanted him to leave (right?). But this was a forum for political speech, where courts devote extensive scrutiny on government actions such as these, and for good reason.
Free Constitution on September 18, 2007 at 2:52 AM
Well, honestly, it’s probably much more exciting than selling health insurance in Greensboro, North Carolina.
But you really need to step back for a moment and realize that your basing ALL YOUR POINTS on your EMOTIONS after watching the little video snippet, as I pointed out earlier.
Some peoples emotions override their common sense (if they had any to begin with) and they go with the knee jerk reaction while being completely void of three things:
1) The whole story
2) Any actual working knowledge of the laws involved
3) Any actual working knowledge of police policies and procedures.
College and University campuses, while obviously observing and enforcing state laws, have a whole sub-set of their own laws to observe and enforce. Not to mention, they have their own set of campus rules, policies, and procedures as they deem appropriate.
One more time I’d like to also point out that the nitwit that chose to be a douche rather than walk out peacefully like a mature adult was NOT TASED. He was STUNNED, and it’s a huge difference. The Campus Police used pain compliance as opposed to pain debilitation. They could have just as easily whacked him with a sap or a stick and been justified based on douche bag’s actions.
SilverStar830 on September 18, 2007 at 2:52 AM
And as humans, police make mistakes like the ones in this video even though the dude was making ridiculous comments.
yes? I’ve seen drug dealers, pimps, a hookers?
my stances on those WOULD make you consider me liberal.
But I am a conservative in so much as I believe in smaller government – ya know, freedom?
I make a distinction between crimes with a victim and without a victim. I’m not scared of drug dealers, pimps, or hookers (legal in Nevada).
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:53 AM
My ancestors did, and there’s a lot of Americans like that idiot who want those questions answered. Why should I not lay it all down for the right to speak no matter how absurd.
Free Constitution on September 18, 2007 at 2:54 AM
Silver star, but I make a lot more money than cops do, and I’m in insurance as a family business, and my job is to basically automate it (over the computer) so that I can live in the bahamas and let this world full of ‘righteous cops’ do what it wants to.
I try to help people save money like geico. I certainly don’t try to harm anyone and would never.
But I’m working as hard as I can to be as apathetic as possible to ANYBODY’S plight.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 2:58 AM
In public and NOT ON A UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE CAMPUS. University campus sponsored events in campus halls are NOT covered by the 1st Amendment, nor are they scrutinized extensively by the courts in any way shape, or form. The University/Campus authoritys have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason in those forums every bit as much as a merchant has the right to refuse service to anybody they see fit to refuse service to.
It’s a given that a University/College campus would seek to allow the same constitutional rights in a forum such as this incident as one may receive in public, but they’re not obligated to under the constitution or any public law if they don’t want to.
/the more you know
SilverStar830 on September 18, 2007 at 3:00 AM
I’m glad of your business success. This is commendable.
Not only do you create wealth for yourself, which is good, you create it for others through exchange. And some of this money goes to buy TASERS and assorted electronic pain compliance devices.
Yippee.
:-)
Christoph on September 18, 2007 at 3:01 AM
Two words then…
Spell Checker.
/your websites need it badly
SilverStar830 on September 18, 2007 at 3:03 AM
That’s just disrespectful to those ancestors. I don’t know which war you are referring to, but WWII was about people being rounded up and slaughtered like animals. The Revolution was about people being forced to sell to one and only one customer without any recourse or natural rights.
Idiotic questions are just nonsense the rest of us have to tolerate. The elections in 2000 and 2004 were decided according to the law, and there is no legitimate evidence the decisions were wrong. Not liking the outcome is not evidence of fraud.
pedestrian on September 18, 2007 at 3:03 AM
The guy asked for it, I admit. But from the first video, it appeared that he got kicked out for asking a stupid question.
HAD THAT been the case, I would say this punk’s outrage was justified, and the cops’ actions wholly unconstitutional.
I still think 6 cops could have forced him out without stunning him.
Free Constitution on September 18, 2007 at 3:04 AM
You’re treading on sacred ground buddy. My ancestors died for freedom. Do you know what that is? From your arguments it seems not.
Free Constitution on September 18, 2007 at 3:06 AM
It’s late here. We can pick this up again later.
pedestrian on September 18, 2007 at 3:10 AM
I can’t imagine General Washington telling his tired starving troops in Valley Forge freezing to death, that “we must fight on and defeat the redcoats, so we can sell to more than one customer!”
Free Constitution on September 18, 2007 at 3:12 AM
thanks silverstar. I know. My website is not now what it originally started out to be because of changing rules and regs. It’s a nationwide site now but started out as a single state site. I do experiments on it to see about search engine optimization. I’m actually on the cutting edge with SEO techniques because of trial and error.
My site has a TON of errors on it and spelling is a big problem. My focus though has been on rankings and traffic moreso than selling. . . now I’m spilling my secrets.
Anyway, I have good products with good companies and I do a little more every day. This is just one site, I have several. This site I change a lot but it needs to have an independent professional to look at it and clean it up, but I’m still messin with it.
Thanks for the help though. I appreciate it because I need as much constructive criticism as I can get.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2007 at 3:12 AM
It’s always interesting reading comments from people who have no clue about law enforcement blaisely explain how the cops were abusive and had only to (insert assinine sugestion probably taken from a Steven Segal or Van Damme movie) to end the problem. Ok, the cops moved in after they were told to remove him; the kid had run out of time and was effectively ’stealing’ other people’s times and being disruptive. Once he was told to leave he was Trespassing on private property. They attempted to escort him out using the lowest level of force, passive physical contact. He pulled away and ’shoved’ a cop, also known as assaulting an officer. They then went to the next level of the force continuum, aggressive physical contact. He fought harder and was non-compliant. They then moved to an ESD to render him compliant. And get called fascists and such by people with no clue. Know why, btw, they had superior numbers on him? Because yes, one officer could have ‘picked him up and thrown him over his shoulder’. But to do so he would have had to use a more force, thus increasing the risk of injury to the person. Cops move enmasse on a person in the hopes the conflict can be resolved with a MINIMUM use of force, pain, and paperwork.
wolfva on September 18, 2007 at 3:25 AM
Why the hell did the police jump him when he asked the question. I think the guy is a moron and wrong, but it wasn’t like he was doing anything other than exercising his First Amendment rights. He didn’t even seem that disruptive till the police got involved.
Tim Burton on September 18, 2007 at 3:30 AM
Via Malkin, and eyewitness writes about the incident (just an excerpt is below)
So now we know, what many suspected (based on the convenient video start time)… the Truther nut deserved to be removed at the very least. I still don’t understand why the cops couldn’t control him. And I also now don’t understand why they took orders from Kerry to let the guy stay, or if they were going to, why they tried to physically remove him after. When they grabbed him the first time, that should have been it, or once released he should have stayed released unless he did something threatening. They let him stay to make his idiotic comments, they can’t physically remove him for not liking them, as much of a douche as he is.
RightWinged on September 18, 2007 at 4:23 AM
…and add minimum amount of risk of career ending injury. That’s pretty much it in a nutshell.
The funny part is, it’s the same amount of paperwork if you just shoot em.
SilverStar830 on September 18, 2007 at 4:45 AM
When the Police give you an order, obey it. If the order was improper, take it up with the proper authorities later.
He refused to obey their order, he resisted their attempts to enforce their order, he was convinced to obey their orders.
The boy went to college to get an education. He just got educated. Bet he learned his lesson and will never forget it.
Helloyawl on September 18, 2007 at 5:36 AM
Again, nobody looks good here, but this was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Listen to what he expects: “Oh my God, they’re giving me to the government… People know I’m here.” He thinks he’s going to be “disappeared.”
Dude, you’ll be free and clear tomorrow (today) and all over cable. And you’ll use your time to whine about the fascist state in which you live. And mommy and daddy will hire you the best lawyers and you’ll get a big-ass settlement.
Honestly, moonbats, you live in the greatest nation on earth and want so badly to believe it’s the worst.
saint kansas on September 18, 2007 at 5:46 AM
I think the cops should have the authority to immobilize anyone who criticizes a Democrat. Seriously. This would simply make the current policy more logical – Democrat crimes and sleaze go unpunished, while Republicans lose their careers or go to jail. Democrats get praised (at the highest levels) for “concern” while committing treason, while Republicans accept the labels of “heartless” and “bigot” for whatever they do. The Democrat claim of “good intentions” is always shown respect, while Republicans let stand any and all claims they are ill-willed. Let’s just make all this official and let the police enforce it.
Halley on September 18, 2007 at 5:53 AM
I thought that was funny. Is that the wrong reaction?
frankj on September 18, 2007 at 7:08 AM
Tase em all and let God sort em out.
csdeven on September 18, 2007 at 7:13 AM
Seeing a moonbat get kicked to the curb by the Dems is always amusing, but the cops had no business tasing him. He was already on the ground, restrained by at least half a dozen cops. So he was still making noise, big f’ing deal. Drag his silly ass out and bundle him into a patrol car.
Like AP said:
Yup…the kid gets exposed as the barking moonbat that he is, while the cops end up looking like the jackbooted government thugs the moonbats keep screeching about.
flipflop on September 18, 2007 at 7:47 AM
I have zero sympathy for the punk. Even if he wasn’t staging this to get himself a taste of fame ala the UCLA library incident (which he obviously was), he failed to comply with the authorities when they first approached him. Being arrested doesn’t mean being jailed, and certainly doesn’t mean being “disappeared”. It may mean being walked outside and sent on your way. But resisting and fighting will get you subdued by appropriate means. His childish screams of “They’re arresting me!”, as if equivalent to “They’re killing me!”, just show how brainwashed this pathetic loser is regarding government.
Further evidence is that he’s so anti-government that he’s anti-Kerry. I mean, there’s not much space on the spectrum further left than that.
Freelancer on September 18, 2007 at 7:47 AM
So. Typical liberal mindset at work by this guy, at both the mic and all across that floor to the police:
“Just let me keep talking, and talking, and talking. I’ll convince you all–I just KNOW it! And if I’m not allowed to keep talking, right here, until you agree with me, then my free speech rights have been violated. ”
That said, though I laughed at the overwrought “Helps!” I DID feel sorry for him after the tase: He changed to screaming “Ow!” over and over and “Oh my God!”
And as he’s screaming in pain, disturbingly, the guys in the background are smiling and laughing. Sadistic? Or does a tase not hurt that much? Never been tased so I don’t know how it feels.
inviolet on September 18, 2007 at 7:49 AM
So good it deserves repeating:
RushBaby on September 18, 2007 at 8:16 AM
AP is wrong. All he, and you are doing is having a knee-jerk reaction to what it appears to be. Listen up….WHEN A DULY AUTHORIZED OFFICER OF THE LAW TELLS YOU TO CEASE RESISTING, YOU DO EXACTLY THAT OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES. Every one of these officers are required to be tased as part of their training. Tasing leaves no permanent damage whatsoever. Throwing that guy to the ground, twisting his arms behind his back, and the general force required to put him into compliance with the LAW, had a much greater chance of causing physical injuries. I’d bet dollars to donuts that this stupid a$$ is hurting more from being thrown around than from the effects of his tasing.
Bleeding hearts forget/ignore the fact that this country has unbiased courts where they can receive redress for any injustice they have experienced. What you guys should be doing is pointing out that this person was not tased for trying to speak out of turn. He was tased for resisting arrest and putting the officers and the audience in danger of physical harm.
You and AP have just, and in AP’s case AGAIN, caved into the pressure of political correctness. This country is based on rule of law and the constitution. The function of the rule of law is to put limits on constitutional rights. What you are suggesting is that constitutional rights are put in place to limit the rule of law. That my friend is liberal moonbat vision for this country.
Don’t help the liberals propagate this a$$ backwards vision for America. PLEASE.
csdeven on September 18, 2007 at 8:18 AM
Interesting.BDS, Kerry variant. The Democrats fed the monster, but it has mutated and evolved beyond their control.
BohicaTwentyTwo on September 18, 2007 at 8:25 AM
Everyone there that yelled “Police Brutality” needs to be sent to one of their beloved leftist dictatorships and shown what police brutality is all about!
Frozen Tex on September 18, 2007 at 8:28 AM
And more importantly where the citizens do not have courts to redress their grievances.
csdeven on September 18, 2007 at 8:39 AM
So we taser Moonbats who talk too much as a response to 9/11?
If you are going to put it that way, then the answer is clearly: YES.
Honestly, I am stunned by this question. What other answer is there, unless you are someone like Hugo Chavez?
Exactly.
It seems to me that there should have been a moderator with a mike there directing traffic. I hear Kerry speaking but no one else, and Kerry said that he wanted to answer the question.
I think the kid was blindsided and as far as I can see, he was not given fair warning. He had not done anything in the least bit threatening, and the police were told to jump in way too early, and it escalated from there.
Buy Danish on September 18, 2007 at 8:46 AM
Well, too bad we can’t see the whole thing. Maybe they shouldn’t have tried to get him out so fast, but the way he reacted got him exactly what he deserved.
That fake screaming of his reminds of a 3 year old trying to get attention. Come on, that wasn’t real, he was afraid of being tasered before being tasered, so that added to his overblown screaming.
Just because this kid reacted like he was being treated with excessive force, doesn’t mean he actually was. I can’t beleive I’m watched the same video as some of the people here.
Thos kid was having a serious meltdown and he needed to be brought under control. I suppose people would have been happier if they broke his arms trying to cuff him?
If you want to blame someone, blame his parents for never telling him no, or the liberal town he grew up in that rewarded average behavior and used purple pens to correct papers because red is too mean.
reaganaut on September 18, 2007 at 8:59 AM
What a showman that guy is. A real pro.
What he overlooked: Not nice to heckle John Kerry. Off to re-education camp with him.
A real hoot to hear Lurch pontificate about what an important question he raised over his cries for help.
petefrt on September 18, 2007 at 9:00 AM
oh i hate cops.
if theres one thing we need alot less of, its punk cops that bumrush a kid 5 deep and drag him out to get tazered.
i know what a police force full of punk cops can do, bastards. we’ve actually got the justice department investigating my home town’s police force for nonstop brutality. Yonkers, NY baby!
ernesto on September 18, 2007 at 9:03 AM
Please add to my comments above: Just because this moonbat set out to provoke the incident doesn’t make this use of taser proper. Maybe so, maybe not. It’s a separate issue, IMO.
petefrt on September 18, 2007 at 9:04 AM
Since when did we stop listening to police officers because we thought we were right. The kid was not being arrested like he claims but rather removed for being disruptive and angry. Dont push cops, walk out and your ass would not be tasered. Anyone feeling sorry for this kid can help pay his attorney bill. I have never in my life disobeyed an order from a police officer. Poor up bringing in his home, he does not respect authority. Leave quitely even though you think you are correct and avoid the ass whipping.
riccangolf on September 18, 2007 at 9:06 AM
csdeven on September 18, 2007 at 8:18 AM
WOW.
Believe me, I am not a “bleeding heart”. Your arguments about the courts allowing citizens redress, or that the taser really doesn’t hurt that much misses the point, and your sweeping statement that the courts are “unbiased” is jaw-droppingly naive – in addition to be largely irrelevant.
If that kid heard Kerry say “Let me answer the question”, it is reasonable to infer that he was stunned (no pun intended) when the police grabbed him. Well before the taser was used the actions by the police were excessive.
Buy Danish on September 18, 2007 at 9:11 AM
What I find most is interesting is that The Fearless Leader of the Free World Wanna Be didn’t say a thing to defend a fellow citizen who was only exercising his right to free speech. Kerry is spineless.
bloggless on September 18, 2007 at 9:13 AM
The most alarming aspect of everything there is the obvious entertainment and delight of most of the crowd.
petefrt on September 18, 2007 at 9:14 AM
I’m just shocked by this… no, wait… he was.
D2Boston on September 18, 2007 at 9:18 AM
bloggless on September 18, 2007 at 9:13 AM
Kerry is spineless, but it’s completely false that he didn’t say a thing to defend a fellow citizen who was only exercising his right to free speech.
He said that he wanted to answer the Moonbat’s question. He probably should have been more forceful and asked the police to lay off the kid (not that they would have paid any attention to him) but he did not try to shut the kid up and he was not the one who signaled the police to enter the fray.
Listen to the tape again.
Buy Danish on September 18, 2007 at 9:19 AM
You missed my point completely. The point isn’t whether tasing is “brutality” (it isn’t, though people have died after being tased). The point is what the public perceives of the cops’ actions. Tasing is perceived by the general public, rightly or wrongly, as an escalation just short of deadly force.
I maintain that there were enough cops there to safely pick the guy up bodily off the floor and carry him out. That may not be policy, but policy’s not always perfect.
The more stuff like this gets on the news, the less the general public trusts cops.
Political correcness? Puh-leeeze.
flipflop on September 18, 2007 at 9:22 AM
One other observation and then I’ll relinquish my time and politely pass the mic:
WTF is it with moonbats and their little books and movies? “Look, I’m holding in my bong-stained fingers a book which PROVES Bushitler stole the election!” It’s printed on paper, so it must be true. And if everyone just watched Loose Change one time, they’d know for a fact that 9/11 was an inside job!
Speaking of print, the Founding Fathers took the trouble to write down the Constitution, but that doesn’t make it anything to the Left but a “living document” open to interpretation (e.g., it includes the right to privacy and good health and a public education, but not the right to own a gun).
saint kansas on September 18, 2007 at 9:24 AM
Tasers were initially introduced as a alternative means to deadly force against a deadly threat, now tasers have become a means of convenient compliance.
KCtheKat on September 18, 2007 at 9:28 AM
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