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No one questions Norman Hsu! (UPDATE: Hillary’s crisis strategy? “Obama did it too!”)

posted at 3:59 pm on September 15, 2007 by see-dubya
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Well, no one on the Left, anyway. The indomitable Flip Pidot is trying to come up with a reasonable explanation for why (as I pondered here) Joel Rosenman, the Woodstock guy, would loan forty million dollars to Hsu when only minimal due diligence would have uncovered his shady past.

Flip calls Rosenman “ostensibly unwitting” and I have to share his suspicions. Rosenman might claim that he was just taken in by a slick conman with a dynamite, too-good-to-be-true investment proposal. I hope that once investigators get done looking at Hsu they move on and examine Rosenman’s story of being an innocent victim.

Dupe or co-conspirator, though, I’ve got to think this public display of bad judgment is going to cloud Mr. Rosenman’s future as an investment advisor.

Now I’m going to put on my completely unfounded speculation hat. (It’s cute, it’s a tall cone with little moons and stars on it. Got it from Jerome Armstrong.) In that post linked above, I wondered about exactly what sort of con this is if so much of the money was being bundled into Democratic coffers:

What sort of contacts did Hsu have in China that he thought he could pull this off so profitably? Did Hsu even think this would work? Or was the whole thing another con? That doesn’t seem likely, because this would blow up in Hsu’s face later instead of sooner (although maybe he planned to move the money offshore and then vanish before the post-dated checks came due).

Maybe he thought he could fill those accounts again with money from another, even bigger Ponzi scheme. The other (speculative, I stress!) possibility is that this is an ideal money-laundering scheme:

A. Someone in China tells Hsu to claim that he can deliver an incredibly profitable deal on clothing-manuacturing contracts.

B. Hsu pitches the possibility of a 40% profit on clothing manufacturing, and he attracts investors (Rosenman and his investors) to the tune of $40 million based on this deal. (He might even show the investors some references in China who will vouch that Hsu is for real and can deliver at the price he claims.)

C. Hsu goes out and gets high-end apparel orders from American clothing companies. They are impressed by how cheaply he offers to manufacture the clothing.

D. The orders are sent to the PRC who have people make the clothing to order, and ship it to the USA. The American clothing companies are delighted at the cheap margins and pay Hsu forty million plus forty percent–fifty six million dollars.

E. Hsu pays the American clothing companies’ fifty six million back to the investors, who are happy with their forty percent profit. But Hsu never pays the factories in the PRC, and instead pockets the original forty million dollar investment. The PRC happily absorbs the cost, because they know exactly what Hsu will do with it.

F. The $40 million Hsu is holding never came from the PRC and can’t be traced to them. It’s all from Source Financing investors. The PRC never gave anyone any money except factory owners in China who did the work.

And again I say unto you–this is a spitball theory I’m just throwing up to generate discussion about the issue, and I’m not accusing anyone involved of money laundering. I’m just saying IF HE DID IT, how he could have done it. (You know, like OJ.) It’s not disproved on it’s face by the facts, and it ties up a couple of the loose threads left hanging by the idea that it was all just a big con. With this explanation, everyone gets what they want and no one’s left holding the bag to go to the police. It also doesn’t require the collusion of the Rosenmans. (One possible piece of evidence that might support it is prior completion of similar contracts at a very wide profit margin.)

Potential strike against it: Why were Hsu’s checks bouncing?

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Anyway, speaking of asking questions, here’s one of the exit variety: why didn’t the Clintons ask any even when their own people were screaming that Hsu was fishy? Apparently the FBI has a few questions about that.

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UPDATE: Since I’m speculating here, there’s another, simpler answer to the “why” question. Why would anyone with an embarrassing criminal past want to distinguish himself as a major Clinton donor?

Precedent. Do “Carlos Vignali” and “Marc Rich” ring any bells?

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UPDATE 2: Intellectually curious reader William Amos sends in this Newsweek article about Hsu, which includes a description of a strategy memo from the Hillary campaign:

Earlier this month, Hillary Clinton surrogates invited onto TV talk shows were issued “talking points” in anticipation of awkward questions about the mysterious Norman Hsu. … If asked how Hsu’s criminal record could have slipped through the cracks in the campaign’s vet-ting process for donors, the Clinton supporters were instructed to say they hadn’t participated in the vetting. If pressed, they were told to take a none-too-subtle swipe at Clinton’s chief rival. “Long before Hillary’s presidential campaign took money from Mr. Hsu, Mr. Obama’s senate campaign had as well as a bunch of others,” read the memo, given to NEWSWEEK by a Clinton supporter who didn’t want to be identified revealing internal campaign communications.

Oh, that’s bulletproof. The Obamessiah got $8000 from Hsu. Hillary got $850,000.

As for the Hillary surrogates on talk shows, and how they responded to questions about Hsu, I can just imagine Allahpundit right now frantically tearing through his TiVo’s memory, sobbing Shrillary..say it ain’t so…


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i sit here and dream that billary will be behind bars in time for the 08 election results.

i know that its a real stretch but i can dream can’t i.

C

pk on September 15, 2007 at 4:07 PM

Some other info to ponder

Rosenman was involved in a dot.com company called Idealab that involved former GM Headman Jack Welch

idealab

Jack Cassidy warned in JUNE that he suspected Hsu was running a ponzi scheme and was TOLD by a member of the Clinton Campaign that Hsu was “100% completely Legit

Camp Clinton never responded to Cassidy, but dealt
with the worried California party members. According
to the Los Angeles Times, Clinton’s Western finance
director, Samantha Wolf, e-mailed, “I can tell you
with 100% certainty that Norman Hsu is NOT involved in
a Ponzi scheme,” adding, “He is COMPLETELY legit.”

Cassidy warnings

Also is possiblity that hsu is involved in another scam worth $33 million

San Deigo Scam

I think it is possible that Hsu was going from scam to scam. he would run one scam. Get some money then move on to another scam

It seems he was using the dems to get access to the high and mighty to shake them down. All the while they are taking his scam money and turning a blind eye.

Again keep in mind that in JUNE cassidy had warned Clinton that he thought Hsu was dirty. And Clinton STILL planned to keep the money

William Amos on September 15, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Billary in a cage is very appealing. But lets drag her thru the mud for a while first. …and Pelosi, …and Reid,…and Murtha, …jeez, this list could go on forever.
When will Republicans actually fight back like they do?

JoeAvg on September 15, 2007 at 4:23 PM

I think hsu would use money from one scam to cover the costs in another scam

but agian beggers the question how could ONE man carry off so many high level scams ? Thats a lot of money to keep track of.

William Amos on September 15, 2007 at 4:25 PM

The MSM couldn’t get the name “Abramoff” off the front page. Every Republican in Congress had to have their Six-Degrees-Of-Separation-From-Jack-Abramoff researched.

With Hsu, not so much. He seems only good for the wackiness angle - AMTRAK, pills, etc.

I Hsu wish they would pay more attention to this scandal. (He’s good for all sides with the endless possibilities of playing with his name.)

eeyore on September 15, 2007 at 4:28 PM

The Left: intellectually incurious.

Now, now, See-Dub my friend, you know very well that where a person gets his money is not a matter of intellectual curiosity but of personal privacy.

What you then *do* with the money is of course the government’s business right down to the last penny, but that’s not news in the DNC.

Anwyn on September 15, 2007 at 4:41 PM

It’s cute, it’s a tall cone with little moons and stars on it.

With a hole in the back?

Anyway, speaking of asking questions, here’s one of the exit variety: why didn’t the Clintons ask any even when their own people were screaming that Hsu was fishy? Apparently the FBI has a few questions about that.

I think we all already know the answer to that.

Anyway, interesting theory See-Dub, but just to clarify… this is a theory, simply on the source of the cash right? Not about how he filtered it out to donate under other names?

RightWinged on September 15, 2007 at 4:41 PM

You know, unless the money comes from oil, or legitimate business conducted by national or multi-national corporations, or from your dead grandmother. Then that’s their business too.

Anwyn on September 15, 2007 at 4:42 PM

William Amos on September 15, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Two words; Ivan Boesky.

One of the basic principles of the high-end con is using multiple sources of funding advances to prevent any one source from realizing they’ve been had until it’s too late (i.e., when the con man is somewhere that doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the U.S.). Granted, it takes a bit of juggling, but from all indications, Hsu is smart enough to do it. And if he has any knowledge of U.S. domestic politics at all, he was probably counting on the fact that his political clients were of the Democratic persuasion to discourage people from looking too closely at his procedures.

The moral being, if you’re going to pull a Ponzi, make sure you grease the right palms first.

An axiom that I suspect Hsu is counting on to save his bacon, right about now.

cheers

eon

eon on September 15, 2007 at 4:46 PM

Rightwinged–

Yeah, just trying to figure out where the money came from. How Hsu chose to distribute it is another problem.

see-dubya on September 15, 2007 at 5:38 PM

The stars on your hat really bring out your eyes.

We need to learn more about the people who have their money in Source Financial. If they turn out to NOT be people who were already donating lots to the Democratic Party, I’ll be suprised.

As for

Why would anyone with an embarrassing criminal past want to distinguish himself as a major Clinton donor?

I just think crooks think they can get away with crimes and with consorting with criminals.

Hey, if Hsu’s a criminal and there are pictures of him with Sandy Berger, would that violate Berger’s parole??

MamaAJ on September 15, 2007 at 6:21 PM

Hillary’s response to Hsu’s donations to Obama?

“I know you are, but what am I?”

csdeven on September 15, 2007 at 7:24 PM

this theory makes perfect sense. The ChiComs OWN all of the factories, after all, and all of their citizens are unpaid slaves, essentially, so getting them to do $40MM of “unpaid” work is no big deal. The perfect way for the Commies to funnel money to their fellow travelling socialist brethren that is the modern DNC.

wordwarp on September 15, 2007 at 10:14 PM

Blast from the past

“I think this should not be seen solely or even primarily as something that was done for President Clinton, because President Jiang is a Chinese politician and Chinese politicians, like American politicians, make calculations based upon domestic result and domestic impact.”

Connie on September 15, 2007 at 10:22 PM

No one questions Norman Hsu!

Nobody puts Norman Hsu in a corner, either.

ReubenJCogburn on September 16, 2007 at 1:00 AM

…why (as I pondered here) Joel Rosenman, the Woodstock guy, would loan forty million dollars to Hsu when only minimal due diligence would have uncovered his shady past.

The smart money’s on the brown acid.

soundingboard on September 16, 2007 at 8:04 AM

(He’s good for all sides with the endless possibilities of playing with his name.)

eeyore on September 15, 2007 at 4:28 PM

Hsu better believe it!

soundingboard on September 16, 2007 at 8:08 AM

Hsu is SO dead with the Clinton syndicate after him now, poor guy.

Mojave Mark on September 16, 2007 at 10:58 AM

This is an excerpt from “Unrestricted Warfare”, page 191

“…Can special funds be set up exert greater influence on another country’s government and legislature through lobbying?”

Tri, Chung, Riadi, el al, technology transfers unchecked (and un-prosecuted)…

Nothing there right?

lpierson on September 16, 2007 at 10:10 PM


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