Video: Kathy Griffin invites Jesus to “suck it”
posted at 9:38 am on September 14, 2007 by Allahpundit
Share on Facebook | regular view
I don’t get Steve Doocy here. She’s trying to be funny, he says, but then she’s not trying to be funny when she says “this award is my god now”? And this too from Lauren Green, whose op-ed you’re going to swoon over:
When she accepted her long-awaited award, she said: “A lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this award. I want you to know that no one had less to do with this award than Jesus.”
Now I could have been mildly insulted at that and turned the other cheek, as the founder of Christianity taught. But then she went on to say “Suck it, Jesus. This award is my God now.”
Aren’t you supposed to turn the other cheek at precisely the moment when it’s hardest to do so? Otherwise, what’s the great moral value in it?
Someone will explain it to me below, I’m sure. Caution — comment bait ahead.
You must be logged in to post a comment.
Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: « Previous 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 Next »
Suck it Griffin, you’re on the F-List now.
infidel4life on September 14, 2007 at 6:10 PM
Checked out the poll and voted. May I suggest that you include a choice that says “speak out in a thoughtful mannor” AND … “pray for the person?” I think that would be your winner.
Gregor on September 14, 2007 at 6:12 PM
“manner”
Do the Christian thing. Ignore that.
Gregor on September 14, 2007 at 6:16 PM
You see yet you are blind, you hear but you do not listen – probably because you have a mouth that you cannot stop from flapping.
If only everyone else had the unshakable faith required to bluster about as you do. You’re the only one in the room claiming to know what goes on in the afterlife with certitude. Just like Hitchens, you are in the mold of Atheists that yip like little chiuahuas, hoping we’ll think you’re a big dog.
BKennedy on September 14, 2007 at 6:24 PM
Ummmm……I’m to understand that she has a TV show? people watch it?
gator70 on September 14, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Tagalog is a language I have been trying but failing miserably to learn.
EnochCain on September 14, 2007 at 7:16 PM
Kathy who?
jdawg on September 14, 2007 at 7:28 PM
I just said a prayer for her as I should. Now I will never listen to another word she utters (on purpose) and I will never watch anything on Beavo again.
The main thing I am grateful for in my life is that Jesus gave His life for me. Everyday I try to act in a way that glorifies Him and I still fall so short. My love and my loyalty to Jesus is paramount. I won’t call for her death or burn her in effigy like another religion would. I just prayed for her and now will just never give her any time or importance …
CCRWM on September 14, 2007 at 7:52 PM
Well,, so,, that piece of metal is her god? I thought she was an atheist?? No,, she has a new found faith, I see, and she has proclaimed it before millions! Before all the world she has given honor and stated her allegiance to her god, a piece of metal,, and while holding her god high for all the world to see,, she cursed her enemy,, Jesus! And while she cursed the One that gave her breath,, she held her god high and the audience applauded! Why?? Because they all agreed! They all worship the same god and they all hate the same Jesus! Well, as days turn to months turn to years,, when the fame and wealth is all but gone,, may her god, if she still clutches it, bring her comfort. May the piece of metal she held high be there to keep her,,, for the One she cursed will be waiting on the other side.
JellyToast on September 14, 2007 at 8:02 PM
If that’s her god, then she really is a miserable human being.
ricelchew on September 14, 2007 at 8:21 PM
doriangrey…
I have agreed with everything you’ve written.
My cross is a reminder if the price my Savior paid for me…
CCRWM on September 14, 2007 at 8:33 PM
Looks like Loundry has taken his laundry elsewhere, finally…!
ricelchew on September 14, 2007 at 8:43 PM
Looks like Loundry has taken his laundry elsewhere, finally…!
ricelchew on September 14, 2007 at 8:43 PM
I don’t see how a Christian should claim to be offended by this. After all, they play this BS game all the time. They win high school football game and thank Jesus–even if the opposing team is some far out Christian loon of a school.
It would seem to me that even Christians should realize that they cringe a little when some sadistic musclehead thanks Jesus for his victory in submission wresting.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if Michael Vick thanked Jesus for his dog’s victories.
thuja on September 14, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Kathy who freakin’ cares, that’s who.
SouthernDem on September 14, 2007 at 9:54 PM
I think I read somewhere that the number of true believers per capita is higher here than in any Muslim country.
This thread has 412 comments so far.
I guess freedom of religion works pretty well.
Speakup on September 14, 2007 at 10:02 PM
All I’ma say here is “LOL Idolatry.”
ZK on September 14, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Yeah, well, the team needed a rainmaker, and we can always count on a quick 400 comments from kicking Jesus in the nuts.
Jaibones on September 14, 2007 at 10:10 PM
Outrage?
There would be no outrage from Muslims if she said that. Remember, Islam is the Religious of Peace, Love, Women’s rights and Women’s equality, Wisdom, Ingelligence, and Tolerance. (Sarcasm included for effect.)
There would be outrage from Christians and leftists who would be filled with righteous indignation at the faith of Islam being insulted. They would send love letters to all Muslims, apologizing for Kathy Griffin’s insult to their precious faith, and the Christians, Jews, Hindus, and leftists in the West, especially in the USA, would be marching in unison against this travesty!
Furthermore, all those mentioned above would be out engaging in town watch in order to protect Muslims holy places, mosques, etc., and protecting Muslims in their personal security while they are at work, at school, shopping, walking down the street, and at home, which is the reaction that many in our country engaged in after the attack of 9/11/2001, a movement which many forget.
It is remarkable how we engage in friendship toward those whose fellow believers butcher us, hate us, swear to kill us, but we don’t get so outraged when the likes of Griffith show disrespect to the Christian faith, or other faiths, save Islam.
William
William2006 on September 14, 2007 at 11:10 PM
You are required to use “faith” because there is no evidence that your so-called god exists. I merely have to look at the facts and up in the sky to tell the TRUTH, no faith is required. So yes, I can say with certainty that organized religion is a sham, a way for the man with the big hat in Italy to keep the cash rolling in so he can pay off the pedophile lawsuits piling up against him.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 12:03 AM
QTF
Your hate blinds you to the evidence.
- The Cat
MirCat on September 15, 2007 at 12:24 AM
She dissed a carpenter dead for over 2000 years who inspired people to make tall tales about him. Kinda like that bloodthirsty savage who inspired his middle-eastern brethren to make tall tales about him. Now who needs salvation? Hint: Not people like Kathy and myself…..
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 2:31 AM
btw…. the burden of proof is on you guys, not me. all evidence I have seen proves I am right, and proves you are sheep. go ahead and look for that evidence and present it to me, I’ll wait….
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 2:35 AM
This is all the evidence I need to prove you’re a pompous troll trying to waste everyone’s time. Why don’t you just go back to not believing in whatever you don’t believe in, and take your hubris with you. God can defend himself, so after you pass from this world, you can ask him if he exists yourself.
Fact is, organized religion is the driving force behind nearly all charity in the world. The amount of intellectual and moral material atheists have added to the world sums to zero. Most of the militant ones spend their time trying to prove the non-existence of a deity other people believe in, wasting valuable ink and paper that would be better served saving the rainforest in the process.
You are of course, free to bring up the embarrassing and morally bankrupt pedophile priest scandal, but realize that that narrative is already a few years old, investigations have already taken place, and the monsters who abused their authority have been brought to justice, as it should be. The priests are still vastly outnumbered by teachers and coaches that molest the children in their care, but I don’t see you advocating for the dissemblage of schools.
Yip yip little dog, the big dogs still don’t care.
BKennedy on September 15, 2007 at 3:21 AM
LOL! Which “facts would those be exactly? Are you referring to the “facts” that tend to CHANGE every ten years after further research shows what was once believed to have been inaccurate? Those facts?
How many times exactly have you turned on the television to see that those scientists that you believe in so heartedly have announced that they were wrong? Just wait an hour and you’ll hear it again. In the last week alone, I’ve see three different shows on black holes, with three different theories, and all stating them as fact.
Meanwhile, not one of you atheists can even begin to explain the flaws in the big bang theory. Please Sinner … where did all the “gas and dust” come from in the first place? Before the “big bang” … what exactly was there? And where did it come from? What caused it to go “bang” and where did whatever caused it come from? We could go on all day.
Gregor on September 15, 2007 at 3:53 AM
Educate yourself here please. Perhaps you can use your misplaced “faith” to help try and open your feeble mind and accept the truth about religion. And I’m still waiting for that evidence, btw. I’ll wait for that while you eat that large helping of crow.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 5:44 AM
So where is your proof of god to refute ANY science? Do you have a picture of him? How is it we have pics of the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot to debate over, but none of the great bearded man who guides your life and rules the world? Hey regarding that, how can he have the time to do both at the same time? But that’s a different matter. Like I said, the burden of proof is on YOU. I’ll wait for that picture, see if you can scrounge it up.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 5:52 AM
Silly child. This isn’t romper room. I guess this is where I ask you where your picture of the big bang is, since you’re suggesting that God doesn’t exist because there are no pictures. So where are the pictures of your “scientific evidence” Einstein?
And you dodged the question. Please explain your explanation of the beginning of time, since you claim to know the answer. If science says it’s the “big bang” then where did the gas come from that caused the big bang? Doesn’t that mean that something already existed PRIOR to the big bang, and if so … where did it come from?
Come on genius.
Gregor on September 15, 2007 at 6:33 AM
The Sinner,
One thing you, me and Jesus agree on is the fact that religion is flawed. Whenever humans obtain any source of power sometimes the will use it for good, sometimes for naught. (See: nuclear power, internal combustion engine, fire, etc.)
No Christian should worship religion or religious establishment. He taught us that.
As far as proof of a god or creator, well… the proof is all around you. It’s called existance. Please answer for me, how does the universe exist? As someone put it earlier, if you believe in the Big Bang (which by the way, even as a Baptist minister I believe that theory is nearly correct) where did all the matter/energy come from.
The “laws” of physics say that, in this universe, matter can neither be created nor destroyed. So, uhm, where did all this stuff come from then?
Answer: it was created outside of this physical universe. Now as to exactly what form the Creator takes, maybe we can debate. But to insist that there’s none at all is foolish beyond comprehension.
12thman on September 15, 2007 at 6:36 AM
Magandang umaga, EnochChain.
Tough part is lulo is Igorot/Japanese and lula (though half Japanese as well) grew up speaking Ilocano so sometimes I get a strange mix of tounges.
12thman on September 15, 2007 at 6:50 AM
Kathy who? Yawn.
Hammerhead on September 15, 2007 at 7:22 AM
Katie Facejob has a surprise waiting for her at the end of her human existence and it is not a carload of virgins. She better get wisdom before her time is up.
saved on September 15, 2007 at 7:36 AM
You know…sigh…why is it that some of you who don’t happen to be Christians feel it is your duty to trash our faith? I thought we lived in a country where we are all free to believe whatever we each wished to believe and we also have a responsibility to respect each other! Comments posted here are insulting and cruel! If this thread were about Islam, I suspect that many of you would not have the courage to spout your stupid little insults, but since it is about Jesus Christ you feel safe. It takes a real intellect to insult a child of God!
sabbott on September 15, 2007 at 7:54 AM
2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2007 at 4:13 PM
I completely agree.Loundry sadly is a wolf in sheeps
clothing trying to deceive the elect into thinking he
is one of us. You have failed.
sonofliberty on September 15, 2007 at 9:44 AM
“Turn the other cheek” refers to forgiveness. When someone tries to hurt someone I love–whether it’s God or a mortal–it is fitting that I be angry. But I forgive her–she’s pathetically ignorant of God’s goodness to her. But I can, & should, speak out about her error. There is a difference between anger & unforgiveness.
jgapinoy on September 15, 2007 at 10:04 AM
Well you’re screwed then, aren’t you?
Christoph on September 15, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Please don’t feel badly. Sinner and Loundry are “agents provocateurs”, (now known as Trolls), who stir up trouble to sew discord among the populace. Religion posting call into question the motives of some commenters, as well as the host. I’m not question, but thank God everyday for living in Christian America. I don’t want that to change, ever.
JiangxiDad on September 15, 2007 at 11:31 AM
sow, not sew
JiangxiDad on September 15, 2007 at 11:32 AM
and that’s supposed to be, “I’m not Christian”, not “I’m not question”. Some kind of Freudian slip, or not enough coffee yet?
JiangxiDad on September 15, 2007 at 11:33 AM
My original post:
‘Someone had to fill the void Rosie left as the biggest low-life be-atch in the world. This ugly woman (inside and out) makes me hurl every time I see, no, hear her. I would feel sorry for the ‘man’ who’s married to her, but he made the decision…
My question is: What is it that Kathy wants Jesus to suck?
I don’t get it.’
Man, it took me forever to find this; you guys are goin’ ape on this…Anyway, as i was looking for an answer to my question I found out that Kathy’s husband divorced her. Well, that seems to be a bit of bad karma for the witchy ‘woman’. Perhaps that’s why she’s so darn angry–at JC and those of us who know that he was put on Earth to show us the way. Yes, God gave free will so that we could choose the higher road or suffer the consequences. Kathy just hasn’t suffered enough from her choices, yet.
Christine on September 15, 2007 at 12:49 PM
I wonder how many people actually have thanked Jesus for that award.
Nihaody on September 15, 2007 at 1:06 PM
Speaking of Einstein, he knew there was no god too. Really, look it up. And I’ll say it again, the burden of proof is on YOU. Still waiting for that pic………
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 1:39 PM
Is that what jesus would say? my what a loving believer you are. your “faith” doesn’t seem to be doing you any good.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Andrew Sullivan makes a great point here.
Christians; the new Islamists.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 2:30 PM
Have to say, Gregor has a pretty good point there. Did Sinner answer this? Sorry if I missed it.
Sinner, could you please explain what you mean when you say, “The burden of proof is on you?” You keep saying this but I’m not sure what you mean.
inviolet on September 15, 2007 at 2:57 PM
Scientific evidence exists to prove evolution, the big bang, etc. Where’s your proof that there is a god?
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 3:10 PM
No, I didn’t make my question clear I guess. “What is the proof” is different than saying, “The burden of proof is on you.”
What “burden?” and why is it on the believers (me and others)? Just trying to clarify your POV.
inviolet on September 15, 2007 at 3:13 PM
From a collection of books of unknown authorship.
frreal on September 15, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Have you people ever heard of google? jesus h. christ, here you go, now go get me that proof of yours.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 3:16 PM
Wow, I am sold. OK, not really. You’ll have to do much better than that
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Sinner, I’m sorry, but you missed the part I quoted from Gregor as a good point. Here it is again:
Did you answer this? Again, sorry if I missed it.
And BTW, the part you quoted wasn’t answered by the article in your link either (e.g. see some of the comments below it). But that part wasn’t what I asked you to answer just now. Anyway.
inviolet on September 15, 2007 at 3:20 PM
Sinner are you so jaded you can’t see sarcasm? Lighten up dude.
frreal on September 15, 2007 at 3:20 PM
I think frreal was bein sarcastic.
inviolet on September 15, 2007 at 3:21 PM
You guys are all so convinced you are correct and want to prove it to me, yet have no evidence. So yes the BURDEN is on you. Satisfied? I have explained myself enough now go get that proof.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 3:22 PM
I’m in an intense debate here so no, I can’t see it right now.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 3:24 PM
Prophetic proof
Burden of proof lies with the person making the positive assertion… ie God exists, as opposed to negative assertion… God does not exist.
You can also google burden of proof Inviolet there are tons of arguments in regards to it.
frreal on September 15, 2007 at 3:31 PM
OK, now I understand what you meant.
Have to go out soon, and I know other believers have been addressing this very topic on these threads but: the TOTALLY Reader’s Digest Condensed version is:
The world shows an incredible amount of order and, added to this, the fact that we have a sense of right and wrong and are even able to think about metaphysics, the existence of God etc. is evidence that we are not just products of randomly produced mutations. The fact that there is evidence for evolution (you are right here) does not mean no one created the world. And when you say “burden of proof” I got confused, because just because you can’t see God doesn’t mean He didn’t create the world.
Maybe He did, maybe no one did and no one made the world. Maybe He loves you personally, or maybe there is no one “up there” Who loves you and wants to be with you forever. Maybe we believers are all a bunch of crazy people and death is just a blank and forever.
But IF there is a God, and IF He is personal, and IF He chose to reveal Himself to you through the orderliness of the universe, your own moral sense of right and wrong and the other people around you (whether that means quote “older” things like the Bible–which we believe was written by people who were inspired by God Himself–or people around you right now), why then, the burden of proof (for your own self, and possibly eternal relationship with the Someone who possibly made you [this paragraph is talking from the POV of an agnostic here I guess] is on YOU. You have to decide whether you want to investigate the evidence that He possibly might exist and you can possibly have a relationship with Him, and He might be able to help your life be better, both now and forever.
I don’t expect you to give any ground here on HotAir, but in the middle of the night on some sleepless night when you suspect it just might be true that Someone you can’t see made you and loves you, I hope you will consider investigating these claims other people are making.
I’m not a very good writer but I can direct you to someone who is (a former ARDENT atheist, BTW, before he came to believe in God, for scientific and logical reasons).
His name is C.S. Lewis and he wrote Mere Christianity, the first third of his very readable book is devoted to his thinking when he was an atheist and how he came to be a believer. He also addresses, if I remember right, the “burden of proof” POV he had when he was an atheist. Maybe you will be interested in reading it.
Whew! Another too-long post from me. “I have made this [post] longer, because I have not had the time to make it shorter”–Blaise Pascal (a scientist and a Catholic). Gotta go out to meet a friend; I’m sorry. Hope to get back later to check the thread, and hope everyone has a good weekend, including you, Sinner.
inviolet on September 15, 2007 at 3:47 PM
Lol. Now THAT I’d like to see.
What you atheists always seem to not understand is that Evolution is just as much a faith as believing in God. In fact, I would argue that it takes even MORE faith to believe that something as immensely complicated as the universe we live in could simply sprout up by pure coincidence.
A Question of Origins
2Brave2Bscared on September 15, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Actually you can, go see it yourself.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 4:25 PM
Pay close attention when you get to this area.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Oh really? Please point me to the examples of people threatening to behead Kathy or fire bombing television studios over this. The burden of proof is on you…
By your definition athiests are the new Islamists because they’re upset by the massive insult to Darwin whenever they see the words “In God We Trust” on a dollar bill.
I only wish Islamists would merely discuss things when they felt insulted.
12thman on September 15, 2007 at 4:32 PM
Lauren’s poor use of scripture needn’t start an avalanche. Turning the other cheek has nothing to do with our response to offensive behavior. Only a fool believes Christians are to be mute in response! Are children, for example, only to hear and learn from the wicked who speak out – while silent Christians cower in a corner? Here’s an example of how to respond to REAL offensive behavior:
13 The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. 15 And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; 16 and to those who were selling the doves He said, “Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a place of business.” (John 2:13-16, NAS Bible).
Jesus publicly called religious slime balls snakes, vipers, thieves, robbers, wolves… well, you get the idea. A Christian will defend the faith vigorously – and use scripture carefully to do so.
T J Green on September 15, 2007 at 4:39 PM
Inviolet, C.S. Lewis’ arguments have been frequently debunked. Here is but one. Mere Assertions.
And I tend to think those that have deconverted from Christianity have far greater impact than those who went from unbelief to belief.
Here is but one story of many … missionary to agonistic
I don’t deny the existence of a higher power I just have found the Bible to be PROOF that that particular being is not the higher power. A God cannot be both omnibenevolent and ask his followers to slaughter the children of their enemies.
frreal on September 15, 2007 at 4:47 PM
Well you guys aren’t at that point, but you are definately following their lead.
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 4:54 PM
Do you seriously believe in evolution? If you do you are a moron of the first degree! There is zero scientific proof of evolution! Nada, zip, zero! It is a THEORY, period…but go ahead and put your faith in something as dumb as this! Study evolution and it falls apart…including the study of the fossil records along with the basic understanding of the laws of physics etc. But if you are a mind numbed idiot that must buy evolution for your world to make sense…have fun!
sabbott on September 15, 2007 at 4:59 PM
I’m curious Jxdad..since you didn’t seem to mind posting something as personal as the fact that you were not a Christian..maybe you won’t mind me asking, I’m curious about what keeps you from becoming a Christian?>>>>>>if you don’t mind me asking.
hotvol on September 15, 2007 at 5:05 PM
Apparently you missed this disclaimer from AP:
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Nice try. I’m not patting myself or anyone else on the back.
You said that Christians are just like Islamists. That comparison is slander and I simply asked you to show me taht we or just like Islamists.
You can’t make a claim like this:
…and then go run and hide behind AP when someone asks you to prove it.
12thman on September 15, 2007 at 5:19 PM
s/taht we or/that we are/g
preview from now :(
12thman on September 15, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Kennedy..good response to Sinner regarding him bringing up the ol dirty priests as part of his argument. I’d like to add to this that Christ himself, warned that there would be wolves in sheep’s clothing. What better place that the clergy cloth to hide “the wolves” deeds? What better place than a church deacon, a scout leader, a teacher, a coach, which we’ve read these things everyday in the newspapers now and is commonplace.. the hiding places are endless..but to put blame on all in that line of work, for the evil deeds of a few is ludicrous and a sorry argument. LIke I said, Jesus Christ himself warned us. Why is it non believers use these kind of arguments, when it’s so simple …or do they just not want to see it?
hotvol on September 15, 2007 at 5:23 PM
Nice try, but you were quite self-congratulatory, and I did cede that you guys aren’t at that point yet, but that you sure are headed in that direction!
The Sinner on September 15, 2007 at 5:35 PM
So, let me replay this.
The Sinner: Christians are just like Islamists.
me: No Christians are not. Please provide examplese to support your slander.
The Sinner: Stop patting yourself on the back for not being like Islamists!!!
Either you are the most foolish or the most dishonest person posting here. I’ll let you decide which it is.
12thman on September 15, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Did he?
I’ll assume it’s obvious which speaker Albert is there.
When asked if he believed in God, he replied:
He didn’t believe in a personal god, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t believe in god.
The best you can hope for is an agnostic Einstein, which is still a far cry from an atheist.
Science can’t prove the big bang theory any more than it can prove whether or not God exists. To prove anything science must recreate it. In case you’ve failed to notice, science cannot recreate the big bang.
Did you miss the part where he said that we should only congratulate ourselves when criticized? And did you also miss the part where you were criticizing us?
Esthier on September 15, 2007 at 8:12 PM
Now I’m out to get very drunk, but if you’re interested in telling me how I got it wrong (presumably by quoting Dawkins or something), I’ll probably be back tomorrow to check out your response, assuming of course that I’m not hung over.
Monday looks good either way.
Esthier on September 15, 2007 at 8:16 PM
Only a deluded individual could read Genesis (or any other religious text) and think “Ah, that makes perfect sense.”
It’s called a “leap of faith” for a reason – you’re suspending reason and logic.
Nonfactor on September 15, 2007 at 8:20 PM
cause I’m Jewish.
JiangxiDad on September 15, 2007 at 8:43 PM
Oh, and Andrew Sullivan can suck it.
Kensington on September 15, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Why can’t you folk see the bigger picture instead of arguing the silliness? The Professor has a very good argument. It goes way beyond Christians, Jews, etc. It starts with people objecting to Muslims and Islam as a whole. Those who wish to object ARE NOT ALLOWED to do so. They ARE KILLED IF THEY DO. To me this is more important than just a mere injustices in the US.
Neocon Peg on September 15, 2007 at 9:45 PM
Quit the hyperbole, it helps nobody. Do you object to Islam? Are you allowed to do so? Are you dead because you object to a religion?
People are allowed to criticize Christianity or any other religion however much they want and trust me, Kathy Griffin isn’t going to defeat terrorism by objecting to a religion.
Nonfactor on September 15, 2007 at 9:50 PM
Hmmm, Margaret Sanger, Peter Singer, Karl Marx, Stalin, and Nietzsche.
Thats a whole lot of evil and nothingness compared to the good of Alan Turing, Bertrand Russell, Douglass Adams, Salmon Rushdie, Issac Asimov, Ayn Rand, and Steven Wienburg.
Seems the only time atheists do any good is when they aren’t in lockstep with Communists and other Left-wing nutcases.
That’s a heavy price to pay for a philosophy that is silent on the Mass-murder many of them perpetrated.
BKennedy on September 15, 2007 at 9:52 PM
When this is the argument you have to resort to when someone exposes your faith for the lie that it is you know you’ve got nothing to add.
Nonfactor on September 15, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Prove to me my faith is a lie. You made the assertion so prove it. My thesis is that God is plausible. Yours is that I am completely 100% incorrect. Your assertion uses much stronger language than mine, and therefore the onus is on you to prove it.
Amazing how all the militant atheists are all about logic and science, and then have the gall to ask us to prove we’re not lying.
You can’t prove a negative Nonfactor. Apparently you and the other atheists missed that part of logic class. The supposed “lie” that is my faith was exposed? What, because The Sinner took an astrology course and divined from the stars that Christianity is a lie?
When I look at the universe I see an innummerable number of stars that all had an origin many millions of years ago. If you look at pictures from Hubble you will see the indescribable beauty of the universe at large. Even more stunning than even the universe’s existence, is the fact it is comprehensible and nonarbitrary. For a seemingly chaotic place, our universe has a number of concrete laws whose constants, if changed in the slightest, would undermine the integrity of everything we know.
Quite frankly Nonfactor, randomn is a word that is wholely inadequate at describing the workings of the universe. I choose to believe that there was something outside our system which created our system. You choose to believe everyone else is wrong.
BKennedy on September 15, 2007 at 10:49 PM
It doesn’t surprise me, this, in a country that has strayed so far from God and His laws its not funny.
Ryan Gandy on September 15, 2007 at 11:01 PM
You’ve started with a lie and a straw man. You’re claim isn’t that “God” is plausible, your claim is that the Christian God is true. And my claim isn’t that the idea of god isn’t plausible, my claim is that the Christian faith is a lie.
Of course if we were in the business of backing up assertions you would of course have to prove yours before I prove mine, but we both know you can’t, so we’ll skip that part of the argument. So how do I know your faith is a lie? Because Genesis is untrue, your entire faith is based off the story of Genesis, and if Genesis is false your faith is false. How is Genesis untrue? The Garden of Eden did not exist (no Garden of Eden no original sin), there was not a flood destroying almost all life on Earth, there was no Tower of Babel creating the languages and races. Even the stories in Genesis can be found throughout Sumerian literature.
Militant? I don’t think the word militant applies when referring to people who actually hold you to a standard of logic you probably aren’t used to. If insisting you prove your assertions is being “militant about logic” then I’m militant about logic and proud of it.
I can’t prove that a god doesn’t exist (conceptually), I can’t prove there aren’t invisible unicorns that dance around in the clouds after a rainstorm, but I can prove that The Bible is false, I can prove The Qur’an is false, I can prove the Grecian gods are false. Christians (in fact religious people of all stripes) can’t seem to grip with this idea. Even if it was proven that a certain God (or gods) did exist I wouldn’t worship them, I’d of course believe in them, but altering my life or adhering to said God’s standard of morality? No thanks.
Please. You believe in God. To believe in God you must suspend logic. You must take a leap of faith in believing in said God. Don’t even attempt to lecture anyone about logic, especially when you can’t even differentiate the concept of God from your personal God.
And only a fool would look at this beauty and assign an omnipotent being who created human life as it’s originator. It’s very similar to the way the ancient Greeks looked at the world. The Sun rising and setting was confusing to them so they assigned a god to it, the sea was confusing they assigned a god to it, et cetera, et cetera. The way you’re talking seems as though you think the four forces of the universe are miracles, they aren’t. There is a thing called spacetime, you might want to look it up sometime.
Simply because you can’t understand the universe does not mean there must be a god operating it.
Nonfactor on September 15, 2007 at 11:16 PM
and yet you believe that very same being that created the universe put us in a garden with a talking snake and a magic tree, while at the same time creating an eternal fire with which to endlessly torment those he already knew would find it difficult to believe. Sigh.
frreal on September 15, 2007 at 11:16 PM
Nice post NF.
frreal on September 15, 2007 at 11:21 PM
Fuck your hyperbole, nonfactor. Yes, I object to Islam as should all American. Screw your racism factor!
Neocon Peg on September 15, 2007 at 11:24 PM
**Sigh** As the thread lumbers toward 500….
Round 23 pits Esthier against Sinner as they use an Ouija board to summon Einstein to settle their debate.
Round 24 pits Neocon Peg against Nonfactor in a bare knuckles cage match
Bradky on September 15, 2007 at 11:52 PM
Wow you tore BKennedy to shreds, outstanding job there.
The Sinner on September 16, 2007 at 12:16 AM
And the non believers put all their faith in spontaneous generation, bone fragments and assumptions.
Rose on September 16, 2007 at 12:21 AM
You mean like when we made those baking soda volcanoes in school? OK then when this experiment is complete I expect you to renounce god and apologize to me. Don’t think I won’t hold you to it either!
And once you were criticized you wasted no time congratulating yourselves did you? Surely you can counter my point w/o giving yourself that mighty righteous pat on the back.
I hope you have a designated driver and don’t just have “Jesus Take the Wheel” for you.
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
The Sinner on September 16, 2007 at 12:48 AM
So my question to you is:
If a boat exactly as described in the Bible would appear on said Mountain with wood dating back to that exact time – would you then believe the Bible’s story about the boat?
I’m not saying that it will happen… it’s just a question.
Mcguyver on September 16, 2007 at 12:48 AM
Nope, no faith required. Just the facts, ma’am.
The Sinner on September 16, 2007 at 12:50 AM
There are no facts. No one can prove spontaneous generation. It cannot be duplicated so you have to accept that it happened by faith. Also there is no fossil record that proves one species evolved into another. Again, you have to accept that theory by faith.
Rose on September 16, 2007 at 12:56 AM
You’re begging the question. They would never find a boat that could house two of every animal because there never was a flood that made the need for said boat.
If I said no it would appear as if I was ignoring evidence right in front of me. If I said yes it would mean that I would need to abandon the myriad of evidence against this fairy tale.
Nonfactor on September 16, 2007 at 1:30 AM
I addressed this 3 comments above yours. I assume you’d be willing to accept my challenge as well.
The Sinner on September 16, 2007 at 1:54 AM
I’ve already heard it all. It is all assumption. There is no concrete proof. I was taught this stuff thirty years ago and there is no new evidence. Every poster on here who has tried to “prove” it has failed miserably. Assumption is not proof.
Rose on September 16, 2007 at 1:59 AM
Hey, that’s a pretty good job proving yourself incorrect Sinner.
This is a quote from the article you linked to regarding the experiment designed to “recreate the big bang.”
(Emphasis added)
I’m still waiting for an answer to that earlier question. Using your own comment to make the question clearer to you …
If the Big Bang was what created the universe, then how do you recreate it using “streams of protons” moving in opposite directions around the ring?
Where exactly would these “streams of protons” have come from if “nothing” existed before the Big Bang? Who or what created the protons? Why are they moving at speeds close to the speed of light? Was there a “ring” floating in nothingness for them to speed in opposite directions around?
In order to recreate the beginning of everything … wouldn’t you have to start with absolutely nothing?
You earlier linked to another article which suggested all sorts of funky theories including one with 11 dimensions, another with multiple universes colliding together like bubbles, and even one where everything started in a sort of vacuum the size of a pinhead. Interestingly, these were all theories intended to suggest the universe began from nothing at all.
Nothing’s really changed here. Does it matter whether something is the size of a pinhead? Does size determine existence? If you’re incredibly small … does it mean you don’t exist, and if you DO exist, where did you come from? Don’t bubbles exist? How do bubbles bounce against each other if they don’t exist. How did the universe began from nothing, if it had to bound against other universes?
You’re really quite entertaining.
You have to love all this “burden of proof is on you” cr&p. It’s the most ridiculous and cowardice retreat possible, commonly thrown out there by someone unable to back up their claim. There are no “rules.” This isn’t a game of checkers. If you make a claim, you back it up with evidence or facts. How hard is that, unless of course your claim is false?
Really? And you know this to be true how exactly?
And you know THIS to be true how exactly? Because you say so?
Is this where you say you don’t have to tell me because the burden of proof is on me? Or that it’s up to me to prove you wrong?
The entertainment never stops.
Gregor on September 16, 2007 at 4:35 AM
Are you absolutely sure about that? Of course, you would just ignore this, right?
Gregor on September 16, 2007 at 4:51 AM
Nonfactor and Sinner …
Your claims just don’t hold up.
But it’s not like you’re going to actually read this stuff anyway.
Odds are that no amount of evidence will ever be enough for you.
No matter how much of it there is.
It must be much more comfortable or convenient for you this way.
Gregor on September 16, 2007 at 5:04 AM
Comment pages: « Previous 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 Next »