Report: Turkish military assisted Israel in secret raid on Syria
posted at 8:15 pm on September 13, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Well, who knows. It’s extraordinary if true, though: not only did they allegedly provide targeting information but they allowed IAF jets the use of Turkish airspace and kept it secret from Erdogan, the Islamist-sympathizer prime minister. Hard to believe they’d go to all that trouble if the target was nothing more than weapons shipments to Hezbollah. Turkey has nothing to fear from those and thus no reason to risk Syria’s ire by helping out the IAF. If, on the other hand, the target was secret Syrian nuclear installations…
North Korea may be cooperating with Syria on some sort of nuclear facility in Syria, according to new intelligence the United States has gathered over the past six months, sources said. The evidence, said to come primarily from Israel, includes dramatic satellite imagery that led some U.S. officials to believe that the facility could be used to produce material for nuclear weapons.
The new information, particularly images received in the past 30 days, has been restricted to a few senior officials under the instructions of national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, leaving many in the intelligence community unaware of it or uncertain of its significance, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Some cautioned that initial reports of suspicious activity are frequently reevaluated over time and were skeptical that North Korea and Syria, which have cooperated on missile technology, would have a joint venture in the nuclear arena…
In talks in Beijing in March 2003, a North Korean official pulled aside his American counterpart and threatened to “transfer” nuclear material to other countries. President Bush has said that passing North Korean nuclear technology to other parties would cross the line.
Israel conducted a mysterious raid last week against targets in Syria. The Israeli government has refused to divulge any details, but a former Israeli official said he had been told that it was an attack against a facility capable of making unconventional weapons.
I don’t buy it. Not to suggest that Kim is a wholly or even mostly rational actor, but why risk international wrath at the same time you’re working on international reconciliation? And how is it that no one heard of this rather significant advance in Syrian special weapons production until the IAF raid that allegedly took them out?
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The transfer may well have occurred long before this latest tilt to the reconciliation side of the table on the part of the NoKos.
The IAF may have kept this under their hat so as not to scatter it out like we saw happen in Iraq and NoKo. Take the evidence to Turkey just prior to the sorties to prevent too much advanced warning. A nuclear charged Syria isn’t something anyone wants.
Good on the IAF for doing what needs to be done. Let’s send them another shipment of munitions to replenish what was used in this raid.
Pilgrim on September 13, 2007 at 8:24 PM
Fuel tanks in Turkey Photo
bnelson44 on September 13, 2007 at 8:28 PM
Yesterday the Jpost reported (thru an Arab/Israeli paper) that the installation was ‘obliterated’ and that it left a ‘large hole in the desert’. Sounds like one helluva bomb.
Those F15I’s had to travel 500 miles (250 in, 250 out) to reach it. So much for Russian military technology.
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 8:31 PM
This one’s hard to call. I don’t think IAF would go to all that trouble unless it was something really significant. In any case I’m not upset about bombs dropping in Syria. Syria doesn’t seem to be making that much noise about it, why wouldn’t they be squealing like a pig?
Maxx on September 13, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Umm…because the ‘international reconciliation’ is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the sale of nuclear technology to raise money for Kim Jung Il’s pornography collection? Is that the correct answer? Is this a multiple choice question?
RedWinged Blackbird on September 13, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Kim gets paid twice. Once when his Macau account was unfrozen. Second time from Ahmad’s optometrist.
JiangxiDad on September 13, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Military Secrets. That’s the answer. Something the U.S. seems to have forgotten the importance of. So we really shouldn’t be surprised that Israel and Turkey might be keeping secrets from us.
Just because we the general public don’t know about something, doesn’t mean that government/military intel folks don’t know about it. And I wouldn’t tell us either if I were them.
Lawrence on September 13, 2007 at 8:43 PM
The area is near the river/highway border crossing into Iraq and the check point there was truck bombed last year.
Abu Kamal (the Syrian side) has long been a gathering point for the terrorists headed for Iraq.
It was so close to the Iraqi border that there isn’t a snow balls chance in hell that AWACS didn’t see IAF coming. Bells and whistles had to be going off all over CENTCOM.
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 8:43 PM
I’m thinking one reason why the Turkish PM “didn’t know” is to provide some political cover. He can rant and rave at his Intelligence service…maybe can a couple people…and get past this. I dunno anything about the political animal in Turkey tho…their local flavor of barbarian may be burning the place down by morning.
Pilgrim on September 13, 2007 at 8:47 PM
Turkish military has threatened coup against Islamist PM. They have done it before in the past. They are historically the guardians of a secular Turkey.
JiangxiDad on September 13, 2007 at 8:50 PM
Well there ya go then. Turkish Military lookin’ out for the country and sorta daring the new PM to say anything?
Pilgrim on September 13, 2007 at 8:52 PM
There is no love lost between the Turks and Arabs. Decades of military occupation by Turkey. Israel and Turkey have cooperated in military exercises in the past and like JiangxiDad said…..the generals run Turkey. A full Swiss bank account does wonders.
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Dude, there is sooo much that ‘no one’ ever heard of. There are 1000s of people working in secret and there’s only so many NYT reporters. Somethings gotta get through in silence.
Griz on September 13, 2007 at 8:58 PM
Furthermore, Turks historically hate Persians. Ottoman Empire didn’t extend into Persia. The Turks have looked upon Shia Persia as barbaric, religious fanatics for hundreds of years.
JiangxiDad on September 13, 2007 at 8:59 PM
Maybe hezbullah wants to set off a nuke on Israel to start a general war ?
If Hezzi does this then who do the Israelis target ?
William Amos on September 13, 2007 at 8:59 PM
Ha.Samson option.
JiangxiDad on September 13, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Yeah, right! Like they wouldn’t know….
Mojoski on September 13, 2007 at 9:41 PM
So Kim is now a rational, reasonable man of his word? It amazes me how many people don’t really understand that there is an active movement in this world to destroy the United States and Western civilization.
peacenprosperity on September 13, 2007 at 9:43 PM
And would that be the same international wrath that Saddam suffered under?
peacenprosperity on September 13, 2007 at 9:44 PM
The same international wrath that is bringing justice and sanity to Zimbabwe and the Sudan?
peacenprosperity on September 13, 2007 at 9:45 PM
The way I fig’er it: nothing that Iran has done in terms of its nuclear development at its nuclear sites have required similar air strikes from Israel. That means Israel was more nervous about nuke development in Syria than it is about Iran (at least, as of last week). Add to this Turkish involvement, and it is beginning to look like something really big was destroyed by the IAF last week.
Weight of Glory on September 13, 2007 at 9:46 PM
The same international wrath that is standing by while Iran produces the nuclear weapons that they have pledged to wipe Israel off the map with?
peacenprosperity on September 13, 2007 at 9:46 PM
AP:
…me either but one thing is for sure, something is afoot.
Zorro on September 13, 2007 at 9:47 PM
“international” means US military overseas.
JiangxiDad on September 13, 2007 at 9:49 PM
seriously? Isn’t that his stock-in-trade? I think that the agreement is only a stepping stone to something else he wants or needs, and if he can get it through other means, why wait?
TexasDan on September 13, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Would they even dare to be that obvious?
And how could you hide or even support a nuclear weapon production facility in Syria? A very special 55 Gallon drum delivery, sure, but production?
Of course chemical and biological fall under “unconventional”. Perhaps something to tip those ineffective Qassam rockets?
mojowire on September 13, 2007 at 10:17 PM
Agreed. The mission was not a demonstration. It had a urgent purpose. A demonstration would be blowing the windows out of Assad’s beach house again, or jumping in and jumping out to set off air defense assets. No. This was a deep penetration with a clear target. Something Israel could not allow to exsist. Now it doesn’t.
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 10:25 PM
Are some people finally getting the clue that the key to Iran is Syria?
The Syrians never have had an original idea that wasn’t Iranian first.
In that case the Russians can’t be ruled out for Nuke material and Tech.
Speakup on September 13, 2007 at 10:37 PM
LOL…Looks like Baghdad Bob is running the Syrian press releases too:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411399446&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Dep. Foreign Minister : Syria won’t respond.
Information Minister: Syria will respond.
At the minimum the Israelis seem to have started a family argument.
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 10:38 PM
Naw this makes sense, back when I was studying over in Israel, we sat in on a speech by the Turkish Ambassador, who was highlighting the joint Turkish-Israeli military CSAR exercises which had kicked off that week.
Plus, the Turks have no love for the Tehran-Damascus alliance. Iran has long sponsored terror groups opposed to the secular Turkish government, the Islamic Movement Organization comes to mind, and has been implicated in a few assassination attempts on Turkish government officials and journalists.
Turkish military is fiercely pro-American. Dunno if that translates to pro-Israeli.
So anyway, I’m not trying to shit on your commentary Allah, just sayin’….. it ain’t really that extraordinary.
John from OPFOR on September 13, 2007 at 10:38 PM
The Turkish military is much more secular than the Islamic tilted government.
Looks like the Turkish military has sent a message. They have historically operated independently of the government. They just did it again.
Guardian on September 13, 2007 at 10:41 PM
Another enlightening aspect of this is how little the international community has said. Some Israeli war room planners’ eyebrows are probably rising right about now.
Weight of Glory on September 13, 2007 at 10:43 PM
{probably laughing their arses off at our commentary…..geez fellas we just wanted to have some fun}
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 10:46 PM
Syria referred a complaint to the UN. So far, nothing. Does that mean the UN has said nothing, or that the MSM doesn’t know how they want to spin the story yet?
JiangxiDad on September 13, 2007 at 10:49 PM
If Syria had nothing to hide the U.N. inspectors and AP reporters would have been shoved in a limo and driven to the site. No…the squak is subdued because it will reveal something they don’t want to admit having.
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 10:52 PM
That would be funny!
Yeah, that’s probably close to the truth.
Weight of Glory on September 13, 2007 at 10:57 PM
Also from the JP today was the Egyptian Foreign Minister telling Condi that the peace conference needs to be jump started and get results or there will be ‘adverse consequences’…
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411398432&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 11:00 PM
I would suspect an Iranian hand in all of this. First of all there has been enough reporting to suspect that Iran was playing *some* kind of role in North Korea’s nuclear program.
My suspicion is that Iran is attempting to gain access to whatever is left of that weapons program by facilitating the transfer of it to her ally, Syria.
I am just surprised it didn’t go to Venezuela.
crosspatch on September 13, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Hey CP, I haven’t seen (er read) you since I stopped going to AJ’s site.
Weight of Glory on September 13, 2007 at 11:45 PM
Yeah, been pretty busy with real life stuff. Priorities and all that. Didn’t have much free blogging time and was out of internet range for a few weeks out in the desert on a little camping trip.
But I see an Iranian hand in any Syrian acquisition of N. Korean weapons technology. Iran would figure a direct transfer to them would be too risky and if caught be just about the only justification anyone needed to bomb the urine out of them. Syria would be a good, friendly, nearby location to use instead.
crosspatch on September 13, 2007 at 11:50 PM
I did. As I said on a previous post Melanie Phillips wrote about the revelation of Syria’s nuclear program months ago. It largely passed under the MSM radar and even the blogosphere’s radar so it seems. There is also tons of circumstansial evidence that Saddam sent his WMDs Syria’s way.
aengus on September 14, 2007 at 12:03 AM
JP Op ed – drums beating…………..
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1188392557184&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Limerick on September 14, 2007 at 12:09 AM
Thanks guys for the background information.
I thought Limerick and JiangxiDad contributed some informative comments that helped me understand the situation better.
Question:
Has Iran developed the long-range delivery system capable of firing missiles at Israel?
The last I checked, they haven’t. However, if the answer is yes, I wonder if that info played any part in the Israeli-Turkish military strike?
ColtsFan on September 14, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Here is an article from January that is only one of many on the subject of Iranian and North Korean cooperation in nuclear weapons.
crosspatch on September 14, 2007 at 12:14 AM
ColtsFan on September 14, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Here is Global Security on Iranian/NK missles and inventory…
longest….3000km/1900 miles….so I guess the answer is yes.
Limerick on September 14, 2007 at 12:16 AM
ColtsFan on September 14, 2007 at 12:10 AM
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/missile.htm
sorry forgot the link
Limerick on September 14, 2007 at 12:16 AM
“Has Iran developed the long-range delivery system capable of firing missiles at Israel?”
From Iran, just barely, I believe. From Syria, yes. An Iranian missile launched from Syria could reach any part of Israel. And as you can see from this article from 2005 the NorKs were helping Iran in missile basing and technology as well. You might note the presence of Iranian “technicians” observing Korean missile tests in various news reports over the years too.
crosspatch on September 14, 2007 at 12:19 AM
And Iran’s long range cruise missle development….
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/x-55.htm
Limerick on September 14, 2007 at 12:19 AM
Here is what I was looking for earlier: the Shahab-3.
Good Grief!! The Iranian Shahab-3 can easily reach Israel.
ColtsFan on September 14, 2007 at 12:20 AM
If this is true it would explain that rather large bomb plot the Turks disrupted on 9/12. The Turkish authorities claimed it was a PKK attack, but it the scope and savagery seemed rather unusual for the PKK. Besides the PKK are the usual suspects for pretty much everything that happens over there.
Perhaps the attempted bombing was a Syrian false flag operation intended to dissuade the Turks from getting too cozy with the Israelis.
Mike Honcho on September 14, 2007 at 12:22 AM
But I think they would need to fly over Iraq to get there.
crosspatch on September 14, 2007 at 12:23 AM
The Turks have been close with Israel for a long time. Turkey supplies Israel with gas over a pipeline under the Med, Israeli tourists flock there, and there is a historical connection. It was the Turks who gave the Jews from Spain a home during the Spanish Inquisition.
crosspatch on September 14, 2007 at 12:26 AM
but not from Syria……interest-ink!
Limerick on September 14, 2007 at 12:26 AM
Interesting tidbit!
John from OPFOR on September 14, 2007 at 12:37 AM
The JP seems to be full of good stuff today…
Here is the article as to why Syria’s complaints over the airstrike are falling on deaf Arab ears….
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411379734&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
the part about the Syrian complaining about it is pure gold…”This is not the first time that the Arabs turn their backs to an Arab country.”
Limerick on September 14, 2007 at 12:52 AM
Also, Turkey was neutral in WWII and allowed Jews passage to escape the Nazis. That’s got to count for a lot in Israel’s thinking. However, there was one incident where a boat with 762 Jewish refugees sank off of Turkey because no country would allow them to disembark. All but 1 died in that. There have also been pogroms and taxes, and so after centuries of welcoming Jews, only 26,000 Jews live in Turkey now.
pedestrian on September 14, 2007 at 2:06 AM
I think it may be helpful to not only think of nuclear facilities as a big reactor / power generating plant.
There are many types of facilities associated with nuclear technoligies, apart from more mundane things as well – such as perhaps storage facilities for materials, maybe even storage for radioactive materials like those that may be used in dirty bombs, all these things would fall under the header of nuclear related facilities.
If you look at Osirak when it was hit the comlex had sprawled out with ancillary facilities.
If you look at Natanz in Iran as well, one can see there are many many facilities involved. As others have pointed out here in Israel it was widely reported saddam was moving WMD to Syria before the war, perhaps Syria again chose to serve as storehouse for something nuclear ‘related’ that might need to be hit to preserve our security.
saus on September 14, 2007 at 6:23 AM
Just throwing this out for thought.
Could the airstrike be hitting the WMD’s that were rumored to be moved out of Iraq before the invasion and IDF caught wind of a Hezbo attack using them? Bomb site was very close to the Syria/Iraqi border and the MSM is not reporting this at all.
Just a thought.
bubbadog89 on September 14, 2007 at 8:45 AM
Bubba, I was thinkin’ the same thing. Perhaps Israel was takin’ out the NBCs that Saddam “didn’t have”.
Anybody who thinks he didn’t have ‘em, read “Saddam’s Secrets” by Georges Sada.
Tony737 on September 14, 2007 at 9:21 AM
So it appears that the Turks have discovered a second van bomb today, twice as big as the one they discovered earlier in the week. This one originated in Sweden, went via Germany, and the Turks were tipped off by the Bulgarians that something about the vehicle was “suspicious”.
crosspatch on September 14, 2007 at 12:09 PM
And the IRG walks away as the Kurds get the blame….nice.
Fake with the left and jab with the right.
Limerick on September 14, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Holy Moley!!!!!!!!!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411402111&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Looks like Israel crashed a party…….
Limerick on September 14, 2007 at 12:33 PM
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