Open thread: Bush’s speech on Iraq; Update: “An enduring relationship”; Update: Video highlights added
posted at 8:51 pm on September 13, 2007 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET across the dial. We’ll probably have video later so we might as well open the thread now. Sound off if you’re watching. The cat’s out of the bag — 5,700 troops home by Christmas plus the rest of the surge brigades to follow by next summer if all goes well. The Financial Times sums up the political value of the testimony this week: “By embracing Gen Petraeus’s plans, Republicans can now argue that they too are in favour of bringing troops home – but in a more orderly and responsible fashion than the Democrats.” Indeed. It’s a variation of “declare victory and go home”: declare progress and withdraw the guys you had to withdraw anyway due to manpower constraints. Politico has excerpts from the speech; the key phrase is “return on success,” which is itself a variation on “as they stand up, we will stand down.”
The Democrats say they’re close to breaking the filibuster on Webb’s proposal to mandate set periods of time between troop deployments. It failed in July. If it passes now, it would force a partial withdrawal by leaving the Pentagon unable to maintain the pre-surge troop levels while complying with the law. Bush will veto it, of course, and will sustain political damage from people wanting to know why he won’t guarantee the troops a fixed period of rest between tours. That’s what this is about, but it has the advantage of possibly getting the Dems beyond the psychological hurdle of 60 votes. The first step in an incremental process, according to their plan.
Silky bought two minutes of airtime tonight on MSNBC to respond to Bush in his own version of Rudy’s half-assed war-as-politics gambit. I’ll have the full clip later but you can watch the first 30 queasy seconds here.
Exit question: It’s unusual that the full text of Bush’s remarks hasn’t been released yet. Is he going to surprise us somehow? With an attack on MoveOn, maybe?
Update: Bret Baier is reporting outside the White House. You can hear protesters setting off air horns to try to intrude on Bush as he speaks.
Update: Four minutes of highlights for you including the surprise announcement of the night — plans for an “enduring relationship” with Iraq, presumably on the model of South Korea, that will involve a “security engagement that extends beyond my presidency.” That’s an odd thing to announce now, when he’s trying to reap the political benefits of a (very limited) withdrawal, but there you go. It also flies in the face not only of Sadr’s nationalist rhetoric but poll after poll of Iraqi citizens who say they want the United States out (eventually). Bush wants U.S. troops there to keep Tehran on its toes, though, and also to act as a “tripwire” (again, a la South Korea) in case Iranian forces try to assert themselves inside the country. The more menacing Iran is, the more you can expect Iraqis to grudgingly accept the idea, so long as the “security” part of the enduring relationship involves a small number of troops and, in all likelihood, bases in Kurdistan.
The other scoop is that he’s asked Petraeus to give another progress report in March. The Republicans up for re-election next year will have their life vests on and will have already been seated in the lifeboats by then, so unless that report’s as rosy as the desert sun, it’s game over.
Needless to say, the clip’s been heavily edited.
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As for the pre-release of Bush’s speech….you mean Drudge hasn’t posted it yet?
JetBoy on September 13, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Deciding.decidedbnelson44 on September 13, 2007 at 8:58 PM
I was surprised that the speech wasn’t released already. But he could just add a shot at moveon extemporaneously.
Spirit of 1776 on September 13, 2007 at 8:58 PM
Let’s hope so! He’s a lame duck President(therefore nothing to lose) and there is NOTHING the base likes more than alittle blood letting of the enemy.
Pilgrim on September 13, 2007 at 9:00 PM
why give moveon the attention it so desperately desires?
lorien1973 on September 13, 2007 at 9:02 PM
Russert just said of Bush: “This is his war.”
Egad…
Slublog on September 13, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Two minutes in and I’m not impressed.
csdeven on September 13, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Fox News Banner for the Presidents Speech is:
MOVING Forward. LOL
Hint that Pres will talk about Moveon….?
I hope he does and gives ‘em hel…….
Probably not but I can hope when Juan Williams says he thinks the Pres has vision for the future…(A positive one)
Nelsa on September 13, 2007 at 9:04 PM
No, I don’t think he will. I think he’s too busy trying to be the uniter instead of being the conservative, compassionate or otherwise.
Snake307 on September 13, 2007 at 9:04 PM
No kidding.
IrishEyes on September 13, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Our tomorrow starts today.
I hope
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:07 PM
MSM = They see no evil
hear no evil
they only speak evil
ordi on September 13, 2007 at 9:08 PM
It’s obvious that the “Black Hawk Down” stategy of the terrorists has failed..We have a strong leader and we aint givin’ up.
Nelsa on September 13, 2007 at 9:09 PM
strategy
Nelsa on September 13, 2007 at 9:10 PM
+1500 dead bad guys/month since January. Funny, never heard a word of it on the MSM. Bias?
IrishEyes on September 13, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Bla, bla, bla. C’mon Bush, lead, follow, or get out of the dang way!!!
csdeven on September 13, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Sure ya’ have, they include dead bad guys in the “civilian” death count
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:11 PM
tweak the program
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:12 PM
The problem with the Black Hawk Down strategy failing is that the enemies leaders are strong too. It’s almost impossible to get Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi to shut up for five minutes. Until we depose the enemies here, we really have no chance of eliminating our enemies there.
Snake307 on September 13, 2007 at 9:12 PM
“Return on success”! Great line…..now lets promote it and shove it down Hillary’s throat!
csdeven on September 13, 2007 at 9:12 PM
opposite sides working together – far thinking
short lived
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Oh, yeah. I forgot. Only US forces are bad guys according to the MSM. Everyone else is an innocent bystander or “freedom fighter”.
/sarc
IrishEyes on September 13, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Bush reminds me of a robot reading lines. The parts that are supposed to be full of passion come off as flat and meaningless rhetoric.
csdeven on September 13, 2007 at 9:14 PM
Maybe we will see results of that in Nov.08
Nelsa on September 13, 2007 at 9:14 PM
I am thoroughly impressed by the clarity of his message tonight. Spot on, Mr. President. Spot on.
VolMagic on September 13, 2007 at 9:15 PM
nukular
baldilocks on September 13, 2007 at 9:15 PM
Afghanistan mentioned!
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:15 PM
Guys and gals, I really know his heart is in the right place and he believes everything he is saying, but he just doesn’t have that ‘Reganesque’ quality that we need to hear right now.
Let’s hope and pray that we can get through this fight and overcome the islamofacist jihad that has been waged against us for decades.
PS – He just got into ‘uniter’ mode…put some red meat out there.
lsutiger on September 13, 2007 at 9:16 PM
Totally agree. He’s not talking to news junkies/HA pundits. He’s talking to people who don’t follow this stuff everyday. Good job.
JiangxiDad on September 13, 2007 at 9:16 PM
There’s a saying about “deaf ears” which escapes me, right now.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:16 PM
… unless a demo is in office.
Hmm. Think the comment about Iran and Syria was heard there? I don’t think this pres makes such remarks lightly. At least, I hope not.
IrishEyes on September 13, 2007 at 9:18 PM
I would still vote for W if he were running in this race (as opposed to the current field of Republicans)
BobH on September 13, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Nice.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:19 PM
I liked it I liked it
ordi on September 13, 2007 at 9:19 PM
Great. Things are going well in Iraq. Okay, so if we can secure the population of Iraq, when can we start securing our own population — and plug that sieve we call “the Mexican border”?
CyberCipher on September 13, 2007 at 9:19 PM
W did well with that speech.
techno_barbarian on September 13, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Shemp from FOX – Dem talking pts
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Did well, indeed
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:20 PM
LOL
Drudge has this on the top of the page:
“al Qaeda in Iraq takes heavy losses”
“Frustrated Democrats mull strategy”
ouch
BobH on September 13, 2007 at 9:21 PM
What kinda makes me sad is that many more people will see the butcher job offered by CNN NBC and ABC as their expert-senior-top-official political experts tell people what Bush said, instead of listening to him say it.
VolMagic on September 13, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Anyone who’s buying what jack Reed is selling …, better keep the receipt.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Jack Reed-How much are YOU getting from Moveon?
Or did you get from Hsu?
Nelsa on September 13, 2007 at 9:21 PM
So, the Dems are saying the ONLY solution is political?
… and people believe this tripe. Unreal.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Reed’s cake has fallen FLAT
ordi on September 13, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Anyone who bought what Jack Reed is selling probably paid for it with counterfeit cash.
steveegg on September 13, 2007 at 9:22 PM
I liked it too.
Who is this guy and why do the Dems get a rebuttal? This isn’t State of the Union! What a hack.
simon on September 13, 2007 at 9:23 PM
I liked it too.
Who is this guy and why do the Dems get a rebuttal? This isn’t State of the Union! What a hack.
simon on September 13, 2007 at 9:23 PM
How can Reed lie to the American people? Opps forgot he is a dem
ordi on September 13, 2007 at 9:23 PM
And that way would be …? I mean, besides the nebulous stuff like “defeat the terrorists.”
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:23 PM
It’s not endless – there is a reason -
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:23 PM
The wiggler jack reed just lied and said the surge has been going on for 9 months. That’s crap.
The only ‘change of course’ the dems will entertain and support is defeat and failure. As quickly as possible.
Take a good hard look, America. The democrats are the party of surrender.
techno_barbarian on September 13, 2007 at 9:23 PM
And for the dhimms, never too early to abandon. A basic difference made obvious.
The biggest shortcoming for this pres. Makes no sense to fight well “over there” and leave the back door wide open and unguarded. We should do both.
Demos – “not enought $$ for vets and children’s healthcare b/c $10B …”; always playing the red herring for political points.
IrishEyes on September 13, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Wow. The Democrats just declared war on the president.
Slublog on September 13, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Is it me, or did anyone else expect him to blink the lights once for yes, twice for no behind that podium?
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:24 PM
I didn’t hear much about Iran!
canopfor on September 13, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Yes why have the dems had a rebuttal for EVERY speak since 9-11?
ordi on September 13, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Obama, Edwards, Rudy and McCain are on Larry King.
Obama’s up first. I’m not sure what he’s saying, but it’s gotta’ be idiotic, his lips are moving.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:25 PM
Just? Didn’t the War on Dubya start with hanging chads?
JetBoy on September 13, 2007 at 9:26 PM
Reed is a douche ‘paid for’ dem…whats that noise in the background?
It isn’t about how we got there now, it is about how to finish the a victor.
Umm…what is the re-definition? Reduction of troops? Training the Iraq military? (Aren’t we already doing that???!?!?)
Bring the troops home and start on a new strategy!?!?!? WTF is this guy thinking?!>!?!?!???!??
Like Al-Q is going to sit idly by while we regroup and figure out what to do?
Geez…To quote the great Maha Rushie, “He is a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance”
I am out, I need a beer after being offended by that speech. Can I sue?
LOl :D
lsutiger on September 13, 2007 at 9:27 PM
You just found out now? </sarcasm>
steveegg on September 13, 2007 at 9:27 PM
Reed has all of the credibility on foreign policy that Rosie has on self esteem.
MCPO Airdale on September 13, 2007 at 9:27 PM
Well … when I wasn’t too busy flapping my gums, lambasting them over crap, that is.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:27 PM
In any event….I do look forward to Fred’s first televised speech as president…
JetBoy on September 13, 2007 at 9:27 PM
Because their buddies are running the show (literally). Wouldn’t happen if the roles were reversed. I agree. Should not do so except for (maybe) the state of the union. Especially since we already know what they’re gonna say, however poorly.
IrishEyes on September 13, 2007 at 9:28 PM
I believe Americans want to feel patriotic and that we are winners. The problem is that Bush doesn’t inspire toward that end. The way to do that, like many have said all along, is to take on the dems head on. I’m sorry, he just did not inspire me.
csdeven on September 13, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Heh…declared war on the president again, I mean.
Slublog on September 13, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Putting the shoe (Hsu?) before the sock, there Barak.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Had his fingers in his ears, too, singin’ “na na na na”.
IrishEyes on September 13, 2007 at 9:30 PM
Wow. Bush just scored a home run.
Vincenzo on September 13, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Anybody know who did the rebuttal to FDR’s fireside chats?
Karl on September 13, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Reed is a Soros stooge. The Democrats always dig up one of their cult that has been in the military to spew their subversive garbage. On the other hand, Moveon.Org should be very proud of him.
rplat on September 13, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Ok, not to beat the dead horse which is Obama’s campaign: he’s done. He’s retooling his “talking to countries we don’t like. Like Iran and Syria” … blah blah blah …
I’ll give him credit, he’s consistent. A consistent idiot.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Democrat Translation
Run Away
Mojack420 on September 13, 2007 at 9:32 PM
All the lives we are losing and the cash we are spending in Iraq is a waste, because everything is going to be blown to hell once the inevitable civil war (that yes, we are somewhat suppressing now) goes full throttle once we draw down. What makes this President think that Islamic sects that have been at each other’s throats for THOUSANDS OF YEARS are going to act nice because we tell them to? They will never get along, ever! Time to get out and let the Iraqis sort it out themselves.
The Sinner on September 13, 2007 at 9:32 PM
I missed most of it, thanks to a kid who won’t stay asleep, but I agree with this based on what I heard. Bush is a president of contradictions – strong on the war, but completely unwilling to take on the Democrats.
I’ve had enough of the “new tone.”
Slublog on September 13, 2007 at 9:33 PM
Reed never mentioned Clinton’s “breaking of the military”
BobH on September 13, 2007 at 9:34 PM
I thought GW did fine. Laid out his message and stuck with it.
I really think the one thing that gets left off the table is the sacrifice of Iraqis. We hear all about the corruption, the backstabbing, the militias, but not a damn thing about the privates and sergeants, captains and colonels who try to grow Iraq’s tree of liberty with their blood. Don’t try to tell me they aren’t there. My son has provided me with ample testimony to the good and the bad he has seen in the Iraqi Army. The good deserve our praise and support and most of all our thanks.
Limerick on September 13, 2007 at 9:35 PM
Did pmsnbc give silky a discount?
so what your saying is silky paid to talk to 3 people.
Mojack420 on September 13, 2007 at 9:36 PM
I guess the “War between the States” is still going on in your mind…….I think it was settled..
I dont have a British accent…. LOL
Nelsa on September 13, 2007 at 9:37 PM
Obamas plan.
-redeployment
-duoble humanitarian efforts
-could bring 1 or 2 brigades home by next year
-will reduce American sentiment
-We have to restrain the President
-Bar is so low its not visiable
-its in a Humanitarian crisis
canopfor on September 13, 2007 at 9:37 PM
the Dems have jumped the shark
BobH on September 13, 2007 at 9:38 PM
Obama – Odumba
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:39 PM
Pssst, Sinner, not thousands, 1400. This too can be overcome. This is only a start.
CrimsonFisted on September 13, 2007 at 9:39 PM
…while they were running away
BobH on September 13, 2007 at 9:39 PM
When right is considered wrong…
tomas on September 13, 2007 at 9:40 PM
Edwards bought time on MSNBC, gives CNN a freebie and … once again, hides from Fox.
Let’s play jumble:
supsy
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:42 PM
funny yo
JiangxiDad on September 13, 2007 at 9:43 PM
It can? How long do expect it will take to reverse the 1400 years of bad blood between these bloodthirsty folks? Other than going back in time and leaving out the whole sections of the Koran which inspires these people, you can’t.
The Sinner on September 13, 2007 at 9:44 PM
Disappointing.
The democrats will keep doing what they are doing until they have to pay a price for it. I don’t see that ever happening.
Bush had a chance to turn up the heat on the democrats, on Iran, on the mad mullahs. Instead he tries to appease the democrats by saying we’ll start reducing troop levels.
So now we wait to see what the democrats will do next, what Iran will do next, and what Sryia, and Hezbolla do. You don’t win when you are playing defense trying to run out the clock.
rockhauler on September 13, 2007 at 9:44 PM
When are the friggin’ politicians gonna stop trying to run the war? They all (mostly all) voted to approve it in the first place. They did their part. Start fixing things here now, congress. Let the President and the Military do the job you all sent the troops there to do.
JetBoy on September 13, 2007 at 9:44 PM
Excuse me, but what are you smoking and can you please tell me where to get some?
The Sinner on September 13, 2007 at 9:45 PM
Reed (and Democrats in general)reminds me of the “Alan Harper” character on “Two and a half Men” – a neurotic boob.
GT on September 13, 2007 at 9:45 PM
Quite the contrast:Judy
-sopport Gen. Patraeus
-help soldiers and their families
-its not a perfect world
-he really respects the soldiers
-doesn’t like the attack on Gen. Patraues entegrity.
-return on success
-safety,security,stabilization
-we are up against ISLAMIC terrorists.
canopfor on September 13, 2007 at 9:45 PM
King: Wouldn’t leaving Iraq, now, leave chaos?
Edwards: No.
And people take this crapweasel seriously.
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:47 PM
We should have been fighting harder. We should have been killing more terrorists, not detaining them. We should have been much more aggesssive all this time. Bush should have been more forthcoming with the public during this time of war.
A president CANNOT fight a war but not communicate with the American people yet expect the same to support the war. This speech is about four years too late.
madmonkphotog on September 13, 2007 at 9:48 PM
I’ve gotta’ run and get outside before the sun goes down here in the PDT zone. It’ll be reminiscent of the day after the 2004 election. I don’t want to miss the forlorn look on the faces of all the Seattle moonbats.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on September 13, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Some of them even wear pink 8-)
Kini on September 13, 2007 at 9:49 PM
A headline I want to see, in January of ‘09:
yo on September 13, 2007 at 9:50 PM
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