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Do you ever listen to what he actually says, Mark?

I’ve never heard him say that we had 9/11 coming. That implies that we deserved it — going beyond simple causation or motivation.

Name a single civil liberty that you’ve had to give up since 9-11 and you might have a point.

Me personally? The Fourth Amendment, for my phone call records and Internet communications. Others have lost habeas corpus.

Oh, if you call up Osama’s cave you might get a visit from the men in black. But if you have a problem with that, well, you’re a crank too.

Only have a problem if they lacked a warrant.

And the outcomes are hardly hypothetical.

They are, going forward. You can’t say for certain that withdrawing from Iraq and abolishing the Patriot Act will make us less safe.

Is paul saying that leaving Iraq and getting rid of the Patriot act a first step to peace also a hypothetical outcome ? There are no garauntees either way

Correct you are — but at least we wouldn’t be paying a daily toll in American lives (in Iraq) and putting up with habeas corpus suspension, “sneak and peek” searches, warrantless wiretapping, lack of library record privacy, etc here in America.

How else are we to interpret his calls that we understand why they attacked us and that they wouldn’t have done so had we not done ______.

That’s talking about their motivations. That’s different than saying we deserved it or we had it coming. The only times I’ve seen Dr. Paul talk about this, he has only mentioned motivations.

Ron Paul says: the reason we haven’t been attacked in America? Mall security guards do a better job than the U.S. Marines. Yes. He said that.

In case the audio link doesn’t work or for more, go to Hot Air or head over to John Zieglers……

His district must have some wackos if they vote him into office.
I’d hate to see who his opponents were.

Kini on September 13, 2007 at 3:38 PM

LOL.. well before he got to this presidential election this is all they really knew about him and as a House Rep. “politics is local”:

Ronald Ernest Paul (born August 20, 1935) is a 10th-term United States congressman from Lake Jackson, Texas, a member of the Republican Party, a physician, and a candidate for the Republican nomination in the 2008 presidential election. He has represented Texas’s 14th congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1997 and represented Texas’s 22nd district in 1976 and from 1979 to 1985. Paul also ran for president in the 1988 presidential election as the nominee for the Libertarian Party, while remaining a registered Republican. After graduation from the Duke University School of Medicine in 1961 and his residency in obstetrics/gynecology, he was drafted and served in America as a flight surgeon during the Vietnam War.[2]

Ron Paul has been referred to as a conservative,[3] a constitutionalist,[4] and a libertarian.[5] He is pro-life and supports states’ rights, free trade, sharply lower taxes, smaller government, and a non-interventionist foreign policy,[6] advocating a withdrawal from NATO and the United Nations.

Why would we take you to task for using a perfectly appropriate word?

Bryan on September 13, 2007 at 3:20 PM

He’s talking about a discussion he had with me not long ago that he misunderstood, which is evident because when another poster made my point using a different analogy, he agreed that it was a valid point instead of calling it vile and disgusting.

He believed the discussion was about him being “mean” which is just incorrect.

I sometimes scratch my head and wonder how in the world this guy got through medical school.

Catie96706 on September 13, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Right. He’s so poor in front of a microphone, it’s disconcerting to imagine him needing to think quickly about anything. He just flippantly agreed with Zielger’s hyperbole about mall security and the marines.

When I listen to the small government conservatives who support him, I am embarrassed to think that these guys have probably been voting for Republicans, reluctantly. So apparently the Democrats don’t have the only delusional voters.

Jaquith, you’re not stupid or crazy; how — exactly — have you deluded yourself into thinking that such an obvious nut could safely lead the country?

Ron Paul has allota Barney Fife in him.

TheSitRep on September 13, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Unfortunately he’s worse than useless when it comes to nipping it in the bud.

He keeps saying he is a Libertarian, so why doesn’t he drop the front of being a Republican. At least the Republicans or whoever sponsors the debates need to leave him off the invited list and quit giving him free publicity.

LakeRuins on September 13, 2007 at 12:29 PM

Because he can’t get elected in his congressional district as a Libertarian, it’s dominated by Republican voters. But now that he has exposed himself for the kook he is, he won’t be going unchallenged next election for his House seat. His GOP challenger has already announced.

Selfishly, I want the GOP to keep him on hte stage because the more he talks the bigger the hole he digs in his district.. ;)

Christoph on September 13, 2007 at 2:59 PM

Why would we take you to task for using a perfectly appropriate word?

Because it isn’t nice and all.

Christoph on September 13, 2007 at 2:59 PM

You seem hurt.

C’mon. He probably would have said that if he thought it. He doesn’t really hold back on his opinions.

How else are we to interpret his calls that we understand why they attacked us and that they wouldn’t have done so had we not done ______.

Honestly, the way he explains it, it should make perfect sense why we were attacked, that being attacked was the logical conclusion of our actions overseas, which literally means that we deserved it.

Question: How is it come that we haven’t had another attack?

Answer: Mall security.

Conclusion: You’re stupid.

Now, is anyone going to take me to task for using the word “stupid”?

Because it isn’t nice and all.