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Metric rebellion wins: A pint is still a pint in Britain

posted at 9:49 am on September 12, 2007 by see-dubya
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I regard this story as curiously parallel to our own defunding of the Mexican truck program–a populist uprising against unpopular regulation. But where we had protectionist Teamsters, they had the “Metric Martyrs”–shopkeepers who violated European Union regulations by continuing to sell things in pounds and ounces and pints instead of in hemidemisemiquavers and hectagons and rectaliters or whatever such Continental barbarities the muscles from Brussels demanded. And they were fined heavily for it.

In 1984, there’s a passage about Socialist metricization being an extension of demoralizing mind control. I remember it concerned an old prole lamenting, over his beer, that a half liter was too little, and a liter was too much, and that he missed his old comfortable pints which had been just right. That’s it exactly. Feet and inches are a likewise a useful, human scale. NOTHING is a meter long. (Or are we supposed to switch to one-third-meter hot dogs at ballgames?)

Another example: almost everyone is between one and two meters in height. Centimeters are too small. But five feet six versus six foot two is a useful gradation of measurement, and those gradations have survived because they are part of a system that describes the everyday world and its usual proportions pretty well. If you science people need a new system for astrophysics or molecular biology, go ahead and use it in your lab. But don’t think you have the right to force that system down my throat, not even with a one-and-a-half ounce shot of Glenlivet, or I’ll hit you with a two-by-four.

An odd rant? Maybe, but writing in the Telegraph, Simon Heffer also sees the Orwellian implications of the vanquished EU directive and sees not just an occasion for rejoicing, but a chance for rollback:

The campaign to metricate Britain has been no laughing matter. Precisely because they could not see why it mattered a jot to Brussels whether potatoes were sold in Britain by the pound, a group of traders some years ago chose to defy a law that was not in their interests, nor in the interests of their customers, but merely served the European project of uniformity, unification and submission.

It was all part of the mind-game that Brussels feels it must play with us, to beat us into obedience.

Many things flow, or should flow, from this. If we can continue to sell beer and milk in pints, and measure our roads in miles, then all the other forcible acts of metrication we have had to suffer can be reversed.

Better watch that talk, Mr. Heffer. Brussels isn’t big on free speech these days, and you might find yourself dragged off to Room 101.

(Link to Heffer’s rant added–Seedub)


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Nothing like some welcome beer news early in the morning.

JammieWearingFool on September 12, 2007 at 9:54 AM

Good stuff. I remember in grade school when they were teaching us the metric system. The U.S. was going metric by 1980! It didn’t catch on in third grade, or since.

Meanwhile, you take 19 south of Tucson and the road signs switch to kilometers all the way to the Mexican Border. What’s that about???

Ordinary1 on September 12, 2007 at 9:57 AM

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Ben Franklin

TheSitRep on September 12, 2007 at 10:00 AM

Well, the hero of Scotland will be happy to hear that he still has 1400 pints waiting for him.

csdeven on September 12, 2007 at 10:03 AM

Nice one See-Dubya.

BillyRayValentine on September 12, 2007 at 10:04 AM

A fine and appropriate rant. Cheers!

Thomas the Wraith on September 12, 2007 at 10:11 AM

Sweet!

I really can’t see Smeats going to his local after a hard day at the airport and saying, “F***ing hell! I beat another of those F***ing jihadis today. Give me 480 milliliters of your best bitter, mate!”

And can you really see BET advertising 1.2 liters of Schlitz?

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Ben Franklin

Mmmmmmm…..beer.
Homer Simpson

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 12, 2007 at 10:19 AM

An odd but very good rant SeeDub. The metric system is much better for things scientific, but for beer I’ll stick with the pint.

BadgerHawk on September 12, 2007 at 10:21 AM

Thanks. Now I have a hankerin’ for a pint of Guinness… Guess I’ll have to get off work first, though…

BNCurtis on September 12, 2007 at 10:21 AM

Great post!
There was an episode of a Canadian show called ‘Corner Gas’ where a digital thermostat was placed in older couple Oscar and Emma’s house. They could now tell the exact temperature.

At 72 degrees, Oscar was in hell; at 70 degrees, Emma was freezing and at 71 degrees both were miserable and fights ensued.

Hank changed the temperature to 21 degrees Celcius. Oscar and Emma were baffled by the temperature reading and Oscar proclaims “You’ve finally found a good use for the metric system!”

Canadian Infidel on September 12, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Well, the metric system ain’t that hard, in fact it’s easy. But there’s something so comforting and familiar about the old standby feet and ounces that it’s hard to let go.

It’s hard to imagine fining someone for it, though.

Bob's Kid on September 12, 2007 at 10:41 AM

For descriptions, imperial is infinitely more useful, for science stuff, metric has it’s purposes.

Guess I’m lucky I was taught both and can do most of the conversions in my head

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on September 12, 2007 at 10:57 AM

Finally! A post in defense of a pint of Newcastle Brown. My humble thanks, CW.

Jaibones on September 12, 2007 at 10:58 AM

A woman drove me to drink and I didn’t even have the decency to thank her.
-W.C. Fields

ITmonkey on September 12, 2007 at 11:01 AM

I despise the metric system. No one I know uses it except maybe centimetres for measuring their wastline.

aengus on September 12, 2007 at 11:03 AM

What no Islamic form of measurement? The dhimmies are slipping.

Masscon on September 12, 2007 at 11:09 AM

Beer is the nectar of the nitwit.
- Comic book guy

N. O'Brain on September 12, 2007 at 11:21 AM

Hardware – This is the part of the computer that stops working when you spill beer on it.

-Dave Barry

N. O'Brain on September 12, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza.

- Dave Barry

N. O'Brain on September 12, 2007 at 11:22 AM

….are we supposed to switch to one-third-meter hot dogs at ballgames?

Actually, that would be a .33 meter hotdog.

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Ben Franklin

I always thought it was Martin Luther who said that.

CurtZHP on September 12, 2007 at 11:31 AM

Metric rebellion wins: A pint is still a pint in Britain.
- See-Dubya

This kid of a weird post, but actually pretty important in the greater scheme of things.

EU fining people for using the wrong measuring system is just plain stupid. And we all really need to be aware of this kind of nonsense. Just maybe we can stop it from happening here?

Lawrence on September 12, 2007 at 11:38 AM

God be praised! Now this is good news.

Hands off beer measures.

Christoph on September 12, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Great rant! And CHEERS to Britain for thumbing their noses at the EU. Next they’ll be telling them that they can’t do weight in “stones”.

Say, does anyone here know what a “stone” equals? I keep thinking it’s 12lbs, but I’m not sure.

tickleddragon on September 12, 2007 at 12:19 PM

I remember the prole and the beer scene in 1984, the longing for the pint as the best serving size for beer; the angst that half a liter was not enough beer to satisfy (unlike a pint). But I don’t know to what metric system Orwell referred since a half liter is slightly more than a pint, not less (approximately 1.057 pints per half liter).

Jens on September 12, 2007 at 12:23 PM

Guess I’m lucky I was taught both and can do most of the conversions in my head

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on September 12, 2007 at 10:57 AM

Ah,multi-culturalism. Hope this doesn’t apply to religious conversions as well.

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2007 at 12:23 PM

What’s the big deal about the metric system? It was originally a ratio between the distance from Equator to the North Pole. Now it is simply a distance based on the distance traveled by light in a small amount of time in a vacuum.

I get the point See-Dubya is making, but I think this is a bit of a reach.

With all of that said, a society or nation should voluntarily decide to switch to a different system of measurement, not be forced upon them as they were in EU.

Weebork on September 12, 2007 at 12:49 PM

tickleddragon on September 12, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Quite sure 1 stone equals 14 pounds.

The Eu is starting to look more and more like the Nationalist Socialist Party of Germany circa 1930’s

oldernslower on September 12, 2007 at 12:50 PM

Jens–

British (Imperial) pints are bigger than American pints.

see-dubya on September 12, 2007 at 12:52 PM

“Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn’t drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, “It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver.”
Jack Handy

“I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they wake up in the morning, that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day. ”
Frank Sinatra

“They who drink beer will think beer.”
Washington Irving

“Prohibition makes you want to cry into your beer and denies you the beer to cry into.”
Don Marquis

“All right, brain, I don’t like you and you don’t like me – so let’s just do this and I’ll get back to killing you with beer.”
Homer Simpson

Physics Geek on September 12, 2007 at 1:32 PM

But no longer a pound, unfortunately.

mojo on September 12, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Say, does anyone here know what a “stone” equals? I keep thinking it’s 12lbs, but I’m not sure.

tickleddragon on September 12, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Quite sure 1 stone equals 14 pounds.

oldernslower on September 12, 2007 at 12:50

Yep, 14 pounds.

Miss_Anthrope on September 12, 2007 at 2:01 PM

The only time I go metric is when I want more then a 5th but not quite a half gallon of my favorite old No7 Tennessee whiskey.

Mojack420 on September 12, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Fahrenheit 9/12 – “I’m completely surrounded by no beer” – -Onslow (my British friends claim they have no Onslows in their midst).

While the libertarian in me says “to each’s own”, some facts about the measurement systems (don’t argue back, as this is just anecdotal, and not to convince any of you):

- It took me one hour to learn the metric system, for a life-time; I’m still learning the other one.
- For a while it was just Burma and the U.S. who hadn’t considered adopting the metric system, in the entire world (and Burma used skulls until not long ago to lure women into marrying the ‘prolific’ hunters).
- The temperature of a horse’s anus is btw. 100-101, and the one of a cow’s 100-103 degrees and it is assumed to have been a reference for Herr Fahrenheit.

And…Brussels is still centralized-dictatorial.

Entelechy on September 12, 2007 at 2:22 PM

- The temperature of a horse’s anus is btw. 100-101, and the one of a cow’s 100-103 degrees and it is assumed to have been a reference for Herr Fahrenheit.

You’re making my point. You ought to be able to remember a nice round number to tell if your Democratic congressman is healthy.

see-dubya on September 12, 2007 at 2:29 PM

s-d, I wasn’t arguing against you – it’s all anecdotal as this topic is like politics and religion – there can’t be any converts. I like reading your posts. Your “Democratic congressman” temperature gauge reference was hilarios.

Entelechy on September 12, 2007 at 4:36 PM

…darn – s/b hilarious

Entelechy on September 12, 2007 at 4:39 PM

Great to see this! This scene immediately came to mind:

Pippin: “What’s that?”
Merry: “This, my friend, is a pint!”
Pippin: “It comes in pints?”
Merry: “Mmmm.”
Pippin: “I’m getting one!”
Sam: “You’ve had a whole half already!”

INC on September 12, 2007 at 5:41 PM

Miss_Anthrope on September 12, 2007 at 2:01 PM

Thanks for the clarification! It’s been driving me crazy.

tickleddragon on September 12, 2007 at 5:58 PM

Oh, sorry..forgot to thank others for the enlightenment on the “stone”… Thanks to all that answered.

tickleddragon on September 12, 2007 at 6:00 PM

Long live furlongs per fortnight!

hadsil on September 12, 2007 at 6:30 PM

Imperial units are convient to consumers and citizens. Metric units are better in every way for calculations of any type. I took science classes, I understand the value.

Based on this can we conclude the U.S. and Britian accomodate the citizens better while the E.U. and everyone else accomodates burecracy?

Resolute on September 12, 2007 at 9:01 PM

“I’m completely surrounded by no beer” – -Onslow (my British friends claim they have no Onslows in their midst).

Entelechy on September 12, 2007 at 2:22 PM

If Onslow did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.

p.v. cornelius on September 12, 2007 at 10:08 PM

Metric is superior. I grew up with imperial and lived through the “adaptation” in Canada. There is an odd combination of both happening. Marijuana sellers break kilos into ounces that are divided into grams…how blended is that?

But seriously, division buy tenths is easier in the long run than the hodge podge of portions of the whole in Imperial measures. And hell, give me a liter of beer for the niggardly pint any day.

BL@KBIRD on September 13, 2007 at 12:59 AM

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