Video: “The Hunt for Red November”
posted at 1:12 pm on September 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I asked for it the other day and now it’s online so I’m obliged to post. A serviceable campaign bio, the cheesy country-boy guitar soundtrack notwithstanding. Don’t look now but according to Survey USA he’s cut Rudy’s lead in California from 39-19 on August 6 to 28-26 on September 10 and, per CBS, from 38-18 nationwide to 27-22. (McCain’s also gotten a giant bounce from Iraq, up from six points to 18.) He picked up another two points on Rudy in the Rasmussen overnight poll, too. Grok this from CBS’s story:
Also troubling for Giuliani may be how knowledgeable his own supporters are of his tenure as mayor, aside from 9/11. A majority of Giuliani supporters were unable to say whether crime went up or down during his administration, despite his frequent mentions of making New York safer. And more than 70 percent of Giuliani supporters didn’t know whether race relations got better or worse under Giuliani – several well-publicized incidents involving New York police are credited with exacerbating racial tensions in the city while Giuliani was mayor.
There even appears to be some ignorance among Giuliani’s supporters on the issue that most separates him from the rest of the GOP field: his support for abortion rights. While 41 percent say Giuliani favors legal abortions, 31 percent believe, incorrectly, that he opposes them.
However, even if more Republicans become aware of his position on abortion, Giuliani may still win the nomination. By a 2-to-1 margin, Republican primary voters said they could vote for a less conservative candidate if they believed that candidate would win in a general election…
As for that “Phoney Fred” site that Mitt’s campaign denies having had anything to do with, Team Thompson unloaded yesterday:
“There is no room in our party for this kind of smut. As the top executive of his own campaign, Governor Romney should take full responsibility for this type of high-tech gutter politics and issue an immediate apology. If this is true, Governor Romney should exercise some of his much-touted executive acumen and immediately terminate anyone related to this outrage.”
The site’s offline now but you can see a bit of it here. WaPo and the Times both say the domain name trail leads back (via a Romney donor, according to Politico) to a top Romney advisor in South Carolina, where Mitt’s desperate to torpedo Fred to prove that he can’t win even in the south. Exit question: Was it really unconnected to Mitt or was it “unconnected” in the sense that MoveOn’s Petraeus ad was “unconnected” to the Democrats? Quote:
“No one wants to call [Petraeus] a liar on national TV,” noted one Democratic senator, who spoke on the condition on anonymity. “The expectation is that the outside groups will do this for us.”
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Hmmm.
Wonder who that could’ve been… I can think of one or two sufferers of Fred Derangement Syndrome who could’ve done it.
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 1:25 PM
One of those photos of a young Fred kinda’ looked like Shepard Smith to me . It was about a fourth of the way through the clip. I won’t hold that against him
Go Fred!!! Go.
OBX Pete on September 11, 2007 at 1:25 PM
The Fred/Reagan pic is a heck of an echo of the Clinton/Kennedy pic.
trubble on September 11, 2007 at 1:25 PM
Well done commercial. The only current candidate I actually like.
High Desert Wanderer on September 11, 2007 at 1:30 PM
csdeven and BKenndy ranting insanely about Fred in 5…4…3…2…1…
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 1:34 PM
You know its funny how they miss all that stuff inbetween lawyer and actor. You know, like being a Wahsington insider lobbyist.
Apparently, nothing happened between 20 and 40 or 40 to 60 for Fred Thompson, at least if you look at his age progression. Slick editing there Freddie ‘08 team.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 1:40 PM
I’m shocked, you mean there are Rudy Groupies and Mitt Heads?
Buzzy on September 11, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Hold on, now Fred is promoting his status as Washington insider? I’m confused.
aengus on September 11, 2007 at 1:45 PM
I’m starting to think that not only did csdeven put up the site, but that csdeven is Romney himself!
- The Cat
P.S. I need to break that habit of reading csdeven as cdsteven, but that’s a personal issue.
MirCat on September 11, 2007 at 1:47 PM
sigh… that’s really what it’s all about isn’t it? Give me someone who can be both tough and smart in the war on terror, hopefully do something about illegal immigration, and I’ll call whatever else we get from them a bonus.
We’re not going to get anything good from the Democratic candidates so might as well get a little bit of good from Rudy.
BadgerHawk on September 11, 2007 at 1:48 PM
Nope (but I have to admit this is spin):
Not a career politician = not an insider
Commitment to public service = just an average Joe steppin up.
- The Cat
P.S. How long before the truthers ask if the attack on the towers were sub launched?
MirCat on September 11, 2007 at 1:50 PM
so you want a democrat in the whitehouse as well as controlling the house and senate in 08. This cycle, I’d take what you can get.
lorien1973 on September 11, 2007 at 1:52 PM
Son of a used car salesman….
That explains everything.
tommylotto on September 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM
I bet Bryan at CPAC that Huckabee would be a “TOP TIER” player in South Carolina.
I AM VINDICATED!!!
DREAM TICKET: Thompson /Huckabee…..or Thompson/ Hunter…..
I will wait for my dollar until February! ;)
seejanemom on September 11, 2007 at 2:03 PM
If the dims think Petraeus is lying under oath to Congress then they are cowards if they don’t court-martial him. If Bush lied to get us into an illegal war, then impeach him. If they have the support of the American people, stop the war by not funding it. They have been whining like Surrender Monkeys for 7 years and have done nothing, but bitch and moan. If they can “lead” they sure have everybody fooled.
volsense on September 11, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Would be the perfect ticket……..
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 2:10 PM
What the hell are you doing supporting Giuliani if you don’t know about his track record on crime in NYC?
And that question about race relations improving or getting worse under his tenure is ridiculous, given that his terms as mayor came after Tawana Brawley and Crown Heights.
Dudley Smith on September 11, 2007 at 2:20 PM
the ads are writing themselves. compare this ad to one on hillary. Daughter of a rich man, went to liberal college, married well, wants to take over 1/7th of the economy. Is not Bill. The mother-in-law no one wants.
Put the two side by side and see the poll numbers go down for Hillary.
unseen on September 11, 2007 at 2:21 PM
“The son of a used car salesman…”
That was funny.
Christoph on September 11, 2007 at 2:23 PM
I’m a Giuliani supporter and New Yorker and I KNOW crime went down drastically under his watch. Taxes also went down and the economy skyrocketed.
Mommynator on September 11, 2007 at 2:28 PM
No its true, whats funny is one lawyer (tommylotto) insulting another lawyer (Fred) because of the latter’s fathers occupation. As if admitting that you are a lawyer somehow gives you the moral high ground from which to denigrate anyones character.
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 2:32 PM
The young Fred looks to me like one Buford Pusser (okay, Joe Don Baker playing the great Tennessee sheriff). I say we need a commercial of Fred whittlin’ him a beatin’ stick and then carrying it around with him the rest of the campaign season. Fred Thompson: Walking Tall !!!
b4itsover on September 11, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Stay classy, Mitt. This came from a top campaign advisor from the Romney campaign- even if he acted without Mitt’s specific knowledge, he almost certainly was playing into his official Clintonesque campaign strategy- pander, take poll based safe positions, and attack all those who threaten your lust for power.
Fred’s add may be a bit “old school”, but I think it’ll be effective amongst the general voting population if he’s able to get it out there.
Mitt is circling the drain- unless he gets some kind of miraculous boost soon, his campaign is going to have to rely on diminished contributions, having to rely on big business and Mormon contributors unless he wants to pump another $9 million from his wallet into his campaign. Last numbers released showed he already spent more than he took in from outside contributions by $5 million. His horrible performance at the last debate certainly didn’t help.
At some point this will come down to a two-way race between Rudy and Fred. Rudy’s support comes mostly from his perceived front-runner status as being the most electable, though many of his supporters aren’t familiar with his views on abortion and sanctuary city history. If Fred can demonstrate he can beat Hillary and remind voters of where Rudy does and has stood on social issues, he’s likely to win.
Hollowpoint on September 11, 2007 at 2:45 PM
You owe me a new monitor for that one. ROFL
wccawa on September 11, 2007 at 2:51 PM
Yeah, we know- it was called the dot.com bubble, and the economy was up pretty much everywhere, along with crime being down.
Did Rudy play a part in improving the local economy and reducing crime? Almost certainly, but his constant boasting that it was all him isn’t completely accurate.
Hollowpoint on September 11, 2007 at 2:55 PM
IMNSHO One of the effects of starting campaigning so early is it has created a heightened sense of competivness that’s further dividing the country just when we need to unite. So may I propose here on 9/11 that we use a more intellegent approach than squabbling and bickering among ourselves. Like it or not we need each other. Sometimes it gets more noisey in here than a flock of parrots fighting for a branch on a palm tree. The constant personal attacks and name calling are uncalled for and brings into question the real motives of the attackers, also the chance they are intoxicated. This is unacceptable. I for one reserve the right to research and support the candidate of my choosing, without regard to being persecuted fot that choice.
sonnyspats1 on September 11, 2007 at 2:56 PM
“The son of a used car salesman…”
That was funny.
Christoph on September 11, 2007 at 2:23 PM
Ain’t the USA grand?
sonnyspats1 on September 11, 2007 at 2:57 PM
I hate it when R’s start ripping into each other like this. Its bad enough having to deal with the D’s and their lying a**es, but to have to take crap from within the party is really just too much.
I guess its too much to expect the Republican candidates to take the high road with each other?
Oh, and a Thompson/Hunter ticket is what I’d love to see!
Fatal on September 11, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Fatal on September 11, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Hmmm, I used to know a lady from L.A. who posted over at “another nameless forum” whose nic was Fatal, not suggesting that you are her, I’m just commenting on your nic…
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 3:02 PM
It’s just too bad Huckabee is a open-boders, big government liberal in conservative clothing.
2Brave2Bscared on September 11, 2007 at 3:03 PM
Well if I were a lawyer……
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 3:09 PM
Fatal on September 11, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Couldn’t agree more. Sadly the process forces opponents into an adversarial role against one another until there is only one. However, I think we should be able to just as easily point out what we believe our candidates strengths are instead of constantly trying to throw the other republicans under the bus. When you compare-contrast candidates you inevitably have to point out the negatives of your opponent but there’s a right way (republican) and wrong way (democratic) of doing this. At the end of the day I’ll take any of the front runners (Fred, Mitt, Rudy) over whoever the Dems put out there…won’t we all? Granted I have the most reservations about Rudy but it scares me to death to think of Hillary getting elected…we won’t recognize the country at the end of her 8 years.
b4itsover on September 11, 2007 at 3:37 PM
Open borders and gun control are real show stoppers with Rudy. Good for New York City, bad for Texas.
saiga on September 11, 2007 at 3:56 PM
I HATE these bio-story ads. I don’t want to know how American the town you grew up in was, I want to know that the f*** you are going to do about illegal immigration, Iraq, taxes, earmarks, etc, etc.
Clark1 on September 11, 2007 at 3:58 PM
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 3:02 PM
My nic was my “call sign” when I flew fighters for the U.S. Navy (just like Tom Cruise was known as “Maverick” in Top Gun). I’m also male, so I am sorry, but it wasn’t me. I do use this nic on other sites since its been with me for quite a long time now.
Fatal on September 11, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Yes, the issues are the important thing but people like to know something about who they are voting for. Looking at his family’s picture I thought how classy the women dressed back then. Not relevant, but you don’t see that much anymore. Look how Hillary dresses and she’s a candidate for president.
Rose on September 11, 2007 at 4:13 PM
From Fred the playboy. Lobbyist. CFR author. And abortion flip-flopper.
Pot meet kettle.
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 4:42 PM
I thought Fred liked what his wife wears out?
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Perfect ticket for me? Probably Thompson/Gingrich.
The charges of laziness are really bringing me around to Thompson. I want a president who views the presidency as a glorified acting/PR job to sell ideas–lord knows, we haven’t had one in 7 years–I don’t want someone who is itching to get in and pass a bunch of laws.
DaveS on September 11, 2007 at 5:07 PM
You are disgusting…
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 5:07 PM
Romney supporters. Classy bunch, aren’t they?
Too bad for Mitt that Republicans aren’t as sleazy as the lefties think, because Mitt seems to do well with the sleazy demographic.
Hollowpoint on September 11, 2007 at 5:09 PM
I see csdeven, BKennedy, et al prancing about like saucy antelopes.
I was starting to lean a little toward Romney after I saw the video showing Fred supporting amnesty last year. However, I don’t support scumbags. Romney’s off the table.
jaime on September 11, 2007 at 5:10 PM
The Mitt supporters do seem to be the most antagonistic. Mitt better hope that the voters look at him to make their decision about whether or to vote for him and not at those who are his followers.
Rose on September 11, 2007 at 5:12 PM
What kind of sauce do you put on antelope?
speed911 on September 11, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Apparently csdeven, BKennedy spit……
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 5:16 PM
His supporters come across as “truther-like” to me. At the very least, they bear a strong likeness to Ron Paul supporters.
DaveS on September 11, 2007 at 5:23 PM
I think you misunderstood. I’m saying that I’m willing to settle this election, as long as the dems don’t get control of the White House.
BadgerHawk on September 11, 2007 at 5:30 PM
As a Mitt! supporter all I can say is…I’m kinda jealous. :-(
This is the best ad that I have seen anyone on the GOP put out since Hillary first declared (hint: GOP ads aren’t that great).
I still have my reservations about Fred! (he gets the exclamation point now that he has declared), although I guess when he visits SC I’ll see if I can ask him a few questions at one of his gatherings.
Darnell Clayton on September 11, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Unlike Fred, Mitt doesn’t want supporters who are so shallow that they judge him by the actions of someone who supports him. Fred will take any ignorant groupie he can get. In fact, THAT is exactly the demographic he has been aiming for. Now that he will actually have to start engaging others, those ignorant Fred supporters will have to either stick their heads further up their butts, or risk serious depression by accepting the fact they have been hoodwinked by Fred.
Did I hear right, did Fred renege on his promise to debate any of the candidates in a Lincoln/Douglas format? He chickened out again? He can’t face Moore and now he’s scared of Huck?!
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 5:47 PM
My biggest problems with him, with Fred taking away points, whach how fast ol Rudy runs away from those stands.
conservnut on September 11, 2007 at 5:53 PM
My biggest problems with him, with Fred taking away points,
whachWatch how fast ol Rudy runs away from those stands.conservnut on September 11, 2007 at 5:53 PM
Dangit,
conservnut on September 11, 2007 at 5:55 PM
When did he do that?
DaveS on September 11, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Is it completely lost on the Fred supporters that Fred is not selling who he really is, but rather he is selling his fictional characters?
How damn stupid do you have to be to be fooled by that? And what does that say about what Fred’s wife thinks of you guys? She actually thinks you are so stupid that you actually believe he is the characters he played. Hell, maybe you are. I know he doesn’t fool me for one single second. But then I take the time to get informed and I don’t look to the television for my reality.
As far as the “PhonyFred” website goes. Hallelujah! It’s about time the truth about his lies and phony facade were exposed for all of conservatism to see. Well, those conservatives who care about the truth anyway.
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Great point, csdeven. So how about this – for every instance I find where you or another Mitt-Head whined about Spencer Abraham, you agree to stay off HotAir for a week?
jaime on September 11, 2007 at 6:01 PM
It was a newsflash at the bottom of the screen during the Patraeus senate hearings.
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 6:03 PM
To reiterate what I said before, it’s really scary in your “reality.”
Tennman on September 11, 2007 at 6:04 PM
To be fair to Fred, he wanted the Lincoln/Douglas debate format in the general. Still, Huckabee called him out and he chickened out. I don’t get it because Fred has been slamming the current debate format. Why not debate Huckabee? Hell, debate ANYONE Fred. You coward!
Cluck, cluck, cluck.
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 6:12 PM
I have compassion for Rudy and Mitt supporters. Comming from the north east they think being a conservative means getting off welfare and getting a job.
sonnyspats1 on September 11, 2007 at 6:22 PM
Mitt is totally po’ed that he has spent soooo MUCH money and can’t even get his poll numbers to move up.
“I disavow any knowledge of that phoneyfred website! ;)
Baloney—I suppose he was in make-up or hair when that was going on………
Forbes proved you can’t buy the Presidency and Mitt don’t get it.
Nelsa on September 11, 2007 at 6:25 PM
If Mitt is so great why the low poll numbers? He has been running forever, people certainly have had a chance to know him so what is the problem?
Rose on September 11, 2007 at 6:26 PM
And how’s that been working out for your candidate, clucker?
13% and listing….
Tennman on September 11, 2007 at 6:32 PM
Statement on Romney’s South Carolina Cover-Up
“Today’s half-baked cover-up attempt by the Romney campaign does not even pass the laugh test. The Romney campaign has paid Warren Tompkins and his various firms hundreds of thousands of dollars. Wesley Donehue works for Tompkins and is listed on Tompkins’ own webpage as an associate of the firm. According to PalmettoScoop.com, Donehue ‘runs the daily operations of their political consulting firm, Tompkins, Thompson and Sullivan, including direct mail efforts and a number of Web-based ventures.’ [Emphasis added] ”
http://www.fred08.com/NewsRoom/PressRelease.aspx?ID=1ea3a41d-9439-436b-87bb-a819a79690f0
Nelsa on September 11, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Tennman on September 11, 2007 at 6:32 PM
Wonder if we’ve found the REAL owner of that site smearing Fred? Rhetoric sure sounds the same…
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Why is it you Fred groupies can’t be honest enough to admit that this country does not have a national election for president? National polls mean nothing. Take a look at the local polls. Where Mitt leads in 4 early states and Fred is sucking hind teat.
And you wonder why you are treated with indifference.
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 6:56 PM
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Thought that was your site…
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 6:57 PM
I have known a few fighter pilots, and you are the first one to ever use Tom Cruise as a model. Most are not just embarrassed, but get ridiculed and called “Maverick” when they exhibit…well let’s just say less than manly action.
right2bright on September 11, 2007 at 6:58 PM
The same poll shows Hillary beating Fred by 13 and Obama beating him by 12. Think Dole in 96 when you consider Fred’s chances in the general election.
Bradky on September 11, 2007 at 6:59 PM
DaveS on September 11, 2007 at 5:23 PM
Yes, quite fanatical, almost militant, if you ask me. Just look at the way mitt supporters act here? Is it any wonder a site smearing Fred would be put up by a mitt supporter?
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 6:59 PM
Would that be in the General election or the Primary?
Concentrate on the Primary.!!!! Concentrate on th PRIMARY!!
Nelsa on September 11, 2007 at 7:02 PM
“The hunt for red November”????
Are you groupies so vacuous and dense that you can’t see that Fred is selling his fictional characters? Really? Are you that damn dense?
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 7:04 PM
One of the things I consider when looking at a candidate is the caliber of people who support him/her.
What I have noticed about mitt? supporters is they tend to be obnoxious, arrogant, insulting jerks, who have an almost religious zeal for thier candidate. Rather than engage in intelligent dialogue, they resort to name calling, insults and smears. I suspect soon, we’ll be seeing mitt? supporters in the streets with signs that say “Fred sux” or something similar. Really creepy, if you ask me. And a huge turn-off. That’s one of the reasons I will not vote for mitt? inthe primary.
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 7:12 PM
csdeven-how are ya? It seems that YOU are more obsessed with Authur Branch than I am. I’m not. I like Fred and what he has done with his life. What’s wrong with that?
Nelsa on September 11, 2007 at 7:13 PM
right2bright on September 11, 2007 at 6:58 PM
I wasn’t using Tom Cruise as a model, I was trying to explain what a call-sign was to someone who may have never been in the military and who’s grand sum knowledge of the community was what was portrayed in that movie, thus I used it as an example.
Now considering I was a fighter-pilot before that movie came out, that my ship at that time (USS Ranger) was actually used in that movie (and also stood in for the “Enterprise” in the Star Trek IV – “Whales” movie), that some of my buddies actually appear in some of the scenes in that movie, etc, I take it for what it was, fictional entertainment – hardly something to be “embarassed” about.
This being a difficult medium from which to gather nuances, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but your post kind of came across as if you were questioning my truthfulness.
Fatal on September 11, 2007 at 7:17 PM
The sure way to get him/her to stop posting the nasty crap and unsubstantiated accusations about Fred! is to ignore him/her. This pathetic person is doing it for the sole purpose of getting some attention and it is working.
OBX Pete on September 11, 2007 at 7:22 PM
In the eyes of the mitt jihadis, that makes you a stupid groupie. mitts supporters really turn me off. I always wonder about a candidate that can attract the type of supporters he does.
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 7:22 PM
From the HA news link:
See? Guess cs thought no one would see this.
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 7:30 PM
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Mitt supporters, I thought they were Paulites.
Buzzy on September 11, 2007 at 7:33 PM
heh! Paulites are more like nutbag twoofers, mitt? supporters are somewhat different.
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 7:36 PM
You’d think Fred supporters could take a joke considering they’re supporting Mr. Folksy, but I guess not…
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Are you groupies so vacuous and dense that you can’t see that Fred is selling his fictional characters? Really? Are you that damn dense?
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 7:04 PM
There was a movie made about Fred Thompsons bringing a corrupt Tennessee Governor to justice. That is called non fiction/reality.
sonnyspats1 on September 11, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Never had antelope, although I did sample some venison which presumably came from those wild elk in Scotland. It’s quite tasty.
So is haggis, but make sure you get it from a good local place, not a tourist trap.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 7:41 PM
“The Last Comic Standing” will have to beat Howard Dean’s I’ve got a SCREAM speech. Hard to top that though!
Nelsa on September 11, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Guess mitt? supporters are taking a page from the moonbats – smear, then say they were joking.
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 7:45 PM
I’m sorry, but Fred decided to use the adjective “smut” and I saw it only fitting considering how many “trophy wife” and “save the campaign Jeri” posts we’ve had in the past. If Fred had chosen “ridiculous,” the off-color joke wouldn’t have worked, would it?
Blame Fred. I guess in Washington, you get desentized to the word smut because you spend so much time producing it.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Ah, my bad, the noun smut, and the noun ridiculousness.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Um, yeah, it’s Fred’s fault mitt? supporters engage in the kind of stuff they do.
gotcha…
jdawg on September 11, 2007 at 7:57 PM
I guess you’re right. It’s just that I’ve never seen a menstrual period continue for 4 months.
jaime on September 11, 2007 at 8:05 PM
Whoa. Slow down, Hoss.
You need to remember you are writing to people with IQs at least as high as yours, with as much life experience as you have, and more, in some instances. And you need to accept it when someone’s got a different point of view than you do, or you’re going to have a stroke and only be able to type half as fast.
Now, as far as the “Hunt for Red November,” Dood, we get it. He’s been an actor, it was one of his movies. It’s a great play on words. He’s not ashamed of acting in movies and television.
And you and the other MitterMaids or whatever you want to call yourselves need to remember one thing. He not only played a DA in a television show, he was a DA (Assistant Attorney General) in real life. He didn’t play a senator; he was a senator. He didn’t grow up with a silver spoon; he made them for others. (Disclaimer: metaphor. He worked in a manufacturing.)
We know your arguments. By heart. And. We. Don’t. Agree. With. You.
Capice?
Tennman on September 11, 2007 at 8:16 PM
The problem is that you and cs aren’t joking and thinking that you are fooling anyone by claiming otherwise puts you on the same moral level as the left tard liberal/socialist democrats. I now say this to you, for how you have defended yourself is that repugnant…
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Well said.
So,the Fred!-bashing in the comments comes across as personal, rather than political.
soundingboard on September 11, 2007 at 8:34 PM
Someone is testy tonight, just like Fred was when he was being asked sensical questions by Laura Ingraham instead of getting a tonguebath for Hannity or Leno.
Now, you Freddie lads and lasses can obfuscate all you want, but if you can’t tell the difference between humor and seriousness then neither I nor Freddie’s folksy ways can help you. Perhaps Fred can let you drive his rented out red pickup truck to ease your mind. Or perhaps he can write you off some PAC money he isn’t using. I’m sure he knows somebody in Washington who can pull some strings for you, if that’s what you want. Fred has a whole host of connections.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 8:53 PM
Re the Mitt Phoney Fred Controversy:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/11/romney_campaign_blames_consult.html
Wesley Donohue:
http://laurinmanning.com/pundetto/?page_id=24
Elizebeth Donehue:
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=SC&last=Donehue
As the first associate consultant and vice president of TTS, Wesley Donehue runs the daily operations of the firm. Despite being only 27 years old, he is one of the most experienced operatives in the state,” the site says.
“The firm is run by Warren Tompkins — Romney’s senior adviser in South Carolina — and Terry Sullivan, who is on Romney’s payroll as the South Carolina state director.”
MITT should take the high road and fire Tompkins! They say Donehue is not on the payroll…….. Yea right?
Nelsa on September 11, 2007 at 8:57 PM
He named his dog after Fred’s shoes! lol
E. Donohue is described as a “self employed fundraiser”.
http://laurinmanning.com/pundetto/?page_id=24
Nelsa on September 11, 2007 at 9:08 PM
The joke will be on you, csdeven, and a few others. We will vote for your guy, if he’s the nominee. The joke will be that you will also have to consider voting for Fred!, if he’s the nominee, lest you be in ‘love’ with a socialist glacier.
csdeven, love you, as you know. You’re going too far with your personal attacks. Let’s consider HA civility so that we can have that drink in peace, no matter who will be our nominee. Your side’s attacks are draining and puerile.
Fatal, from a meager private pilot – you are the best!!! Anyone who can land such a big machine on a carrier can’t be surpassed in myriad of skills. I salute you, and all in your category, Sir! So happy you comment here. With gratitude and best regards,
Entelechy on September 11, 2007 at 9:11 PM
I guess Mitt supporters are too cowardly to back up their smears. I’m taking them at their word – Unlike Fred, Mitt doesn’t want supporters who are so shallow that they judge him by the actions of someone who supports him. Let’s see any Mitt supporter who complained about Spencer Abraham now support some candidate other than Mitt, because, like you say, Mitt doesn’t want your support.
Edith, get me a beer! Mitt-Head, get a backbone.
jaime on September 11, 2007 at 9:18 PM
So, what you’re saying is that a casual supporter of Mitt is as involved in his campaign as a major staffer is in Fred’s campaign?
Bwahahahahahaha!!!! You groupies are priceless!
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 9:44 PM
Yeah, right! Fred acted on screen EXACTLY the way he acted in the court room.
Bwahahahahaha!!!
You see what I’m talking about? You guys are so willing to believe the BS, that it’s impossible to take you seriously. Really.
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Honestly a lot of what goes into deciding on a candidate comes from his / her supporters and nasty doesn’t work. If Fred isn’t the “real conservative deal” it will come out and he’ll lose support. The voters want to know the nuts and bolts of what a candidate believes on many various issues. If Fred doesn’t supply those insights he’ll lose support. But nasty doesn’t work and going negative with your own side is a fast track to losing. Playing the game like the left is a sure fire way to seeing Hillary in the White House.
Have you ever seen a “pecking party”? Happens in a chicken house where one chicken gets a speck of blood on it. Another chicken pecks at the spot and then another. While they’re doing that they all gets spots of blood on them and pretty soon everyone is pecking at one another. If you don’t stop it every darned chicken in the flock will be dead or maimed. That’s exactly what is likely to happen coming up to the Republican primary and we’ll end up with candidates so damaged in our own eyes that we won’t want them while the DEMs sweep into victory.
Buzzy on September 11, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Non sequitur.
Believe the BS? What BS? I stated facts, not derived conclusions. You can try to support your calumny, but there was no opinion in my statements, except my first paragraph, a generic hope that you’d not stroke out.
Tennman on September 11, 2007 at 10:03 PM
OK, let us examine the real Fred and his claims at being a conservative…….
1) Lobbied for a dictator
2) Lobbied for a failed power plant
3) Lobbied against citizens suffering from asbestos poisoning
4) Lobbied for a pro-choice group
5) Was proud to be a womanizer
6) Supposedly married just to run for president
7) Flip-flopped on abortion
8) Failed to nail Clinton in the china scandal
9) Voted not to impeach Clinton
10) Co-authored McCain/Feingold
11) Funneled campaign cash to his son
12) His staff is in disarray because of his wife’s desire for power
13) Did nothing in the senate
14) Has no executive experience at all
15) His staff is loaded with lobbyists
16) Lies about being a Washington insider
17) Refuses to debate
18) Refuses to engage in specific policy questions
19) His PAC raised little to no money for conservative causes
20) Has created an image that is not what he is. Just like his fake red pickup and his blue jeans and flannel shirts he used in 94.
So, these are just a few of the “conservative” credentials you Fred supporters want the rest of us to fawn over Fred about. LOL!!!
What’s clear to people with their eyes open is that Fred has done NOTHING for conservative causes, but certainly has done plenty for the Fred cause. He is selling his acting career.
csdeven on September 11, 2007 at 10:16 PM
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