Open thread: Petraeus versus the Democratic presidential field
posted at 9:27 am on September 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Everyone but Silky, basically. Two senate hearings today, one before the Foreign Relations Committee at 9:30 and then the Armed Services Committee at 2 p.m. That means Biden, Dodd, Obama (and Kerry, Feingold, and Webb) in the morning and the Glacier herself (plus Kennedy and Webb again) in the afternoon. Anything less than historic proportions of theatrical outrage and transparent grandstanding will be disappointing. Greasy Joe, in particular, should have a big day: he’s the chairman of the FRC so he gets to kick things off with an opening statement, and he’s also just back from Iraq where he concluded that Petraeus’s assessments of progress are “dead flat wrong.” Between that and his idea of partitioning the country, there should be plenty of video highlights later.
I’m assuming the cable networks will cover at least the opening of the morning session but the 9/11 ceremony is happening in Manhattan right now so it may be bumped. If and when I know who’s airing it, I’ll update here. If you’re watching, as usual, sound off. While we wait, here’s George Will’s column this morning pronouncing the surge a failure and attributing its successes to sectarian cleansing and AQ brutality more so than U.S. military maneuvers. It’s basically Schumer redux. Meanwhile, the Times nudges the Dems to hit Petraeus and Crocker harder than yesterday by helpfully drawing up a list of unanswered (and unasked) questions:
[Crocker's] testimony did not address the continuing wave of internal displacements, only glancingly mentioned Baghdad’s starved infrastructure and said almost nothing about the government’s inability or unwillingness to deliver services to other parts of the country as well.
His description of the growth of provincial power neglected to mention its darker side: Some provinces are becoming rival power centers and could as easily contribute to the country’s disintegration as to its stability…
Mr. Crocker mentioned only glancingly the government’s failure to deliver needed services, focusing primarily on Baghdad’s lack of electricity.
However, electricity is a problem in many parts of Diyala, Diwaniya and other areas. Health services have steadily declined because many doctors, along with a broad swath of the educated middle class, have fled the country. “It’s the government of nothing,” said Adel al-Subeihawi, a tribal leader on Sadr City ’s eastern edge. “No oil. No water. No electricity.”
Another question via Times reporter Michael Gordon, whom Michael Yon routinely praises: How exactly are we going to increase security while drawing down 30,000 surge troops? The presumptive answer is by empowering locals a la the Anbar model. They’re 1/100th as skilled as American troops and 1/1000th as reliable but they offer the one thing the U.S. doesn’t have: manpower. Someone’s bound to ask Petraeus that today. I’ll have the clip when they do.
All things considered, the situation isn’t as bad for war supporters as it might be. Says Kenneth Pollack of Bush, “[He] has found his exit strategy.”
Update: Looks like C-SPAN 1 is going to carry it. Yesterday the hearings were exiled to C-SPAN 3. And now Fox News has picked it up, just as Biden is telling him, a la George Will, that the surge has failed to achieve its main goal of buying the government time to reconcile.
Update: And now Fox has dropped it and returned to 9/11 coverage. You can watch the C-SPAN feed live over the web here.
Update: McClatchy has its own list of unanswered questions.
A chart displayed by Army Gen. David Petraeus that purported to show the decline in sectarian violence in Baghdad between December and August made no effort to show that the ethnic character of many of the neighborhoods had changed in that same period from majority Sunni Muslim or mixed to majority Shiite Muslim…
While Petraeus stressed that civilian casualties were down over the last five weeks, he drew no connection between that statement and a chart he displayed that showed that the number of attacks rose during at least one of those weeks.
Petraeus also didn’t highlight the fact that his charts showed that “ethno-sectarian” deaths in August, down from July, were still higher than in June, and he didn’t explain why the greatest drop in such deaths, which peaked in December, occurred between January and February, before the surge began.
And while both officials said that the Iraqi security forces were improving, neither talked about how those forces had been infiltrated by militias, though Petraeus acknowledged that during 2006 some Iraqi security forces had participated in the ethnic violence…
He said 445,000 people were on the security forces’ payroll, but didn’t discuss that many officials believe that thousands of those don’t actually exist, but are phantoms whose salaries actually go into ministry officials’ pockets.
Bill Ardolino wrote about phantom Iraqi troops during his first embed tour in Fallujah earlier this year.
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No but any time the dems can interrogate an administration official, they treat it like a warm-up to a Bush impeachment trial.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Hey, Teddy’s awake!
yo on September 11, 2007 at 3:14 PM
The Fatman Returns.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 3:15 PM
Surprising after a multi-martini lunch.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 3:15 PM
The Swimmer declared we lost months ago, long before the surge was brought up to speed. Why does Fatty McBlubber-Pants bother showing up today and why should we pay attention to a single word dribbled out of his martini chute?
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 3:21 PM
So .. um .. did Teddy accomplish anything, just now? I saw his jowls and ear lobes flappin’ about, but did he make a point, or contribute, at all, to the proceedings?
yo on September 11, 2007 at 3:23 PM
Byrd is asking about Iraq and 9/11?!?
yo on September 11, 2007 at 3:34 PM
Oh no the Imperial Wizard speaks, barely.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 3:34 PM
Good lord … watching Byrd is difficult and un-nerving on way too many levels.
yo on September 11, 2007 at 3:35 PM
Dinosaur’s starting to ramble now.
Pray for an asteroid.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 3:35 PM
The amount of disrespect these clowns are showing to the General and the Ambassador is disgusting. Yet they preface each insult by stating their “utmost respect.”
Jezla on September 11, 2007 at 3:36 PM
Byrd asked why they should be given more time in Iraq.
Why indeed.
The good Lord keeps giving you days on this earth, Mr. Byrd, sir, and the Iraqi people deserve the chance to live a long, FREE life such as yours.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 3:38 PM
Oops … no weapons Byrdman.
That might bring him out of his t-t-t-t-tttrance.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 3:40 PM
What did he say about a dog and a pig?
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 3:41 PM
He thought he was ordering lunch … or something.
yo on September 11, 2007 at 3:44 PM
The ambassador has more patience than me…I’d be ready to rip their heads off by now if I had to keep telling them that the Iraqis are actually doing what the benchmarks say they should be doing, even if they haven’t passed the legislation…this is a sign of the sickness of our Congress, when a law on paper is more important than results.
Jezla on September 11, 2007 at 3:44 PM
Missed that. When did he mention Sheehan & Kennedy?
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 3:46 PM
How many times are they going to make Petraeus repeat that this is his report?
ctmom on September 11, 2007 at 3:49 PM
President Bush will announce this week plans to cut U.S. troop numbers in Iraq by about 30,000 by next summer, The Associated Press reports quoting unnamed officials.
http://www.cnn.com/
bnelson44 on September 11, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Oh, maybe he lapsed into his infamous “BARBARIC!” speech about Vick.
Seriously, he said this all seems like a dog chasing his tail, then he mumbled. I swear he said something about a pig. And he laughed and looked up to see if anyone got the joke. Crocker looked at him like he was crazy.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 3:53 PM
I expect liberals to be bottom feeders but when lawmakers who are registered Republican dump on a four star General for being successful it’s just repugnant.
Throw the bums out.
Speakup on September 11, 2007 at 3:54 PM
Ah, Leiberman.
The Democrat’s Hagel.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 3:56 PM
Joe wants to swing the bat.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Nope, remember:
Hagel is a principled man, bravely espousing common truths that the evil Rethugs abhor.
Liberman is a traitor, nothing more.
Matticus Finch on September 11, 2007 at 4:05 PM
Friend Agrippa2k, you misunderstand me. If you’ve ever read any of my posts since the inception of HA, you’d know that I was throwing down the gauntlet to biden, not agreeing with him in any way, shape, or form.
I was pointing out his, and the other dem’s cowardice for mouthing the words rather than actually putting action behind them, which they know that the majority of Americans (including me) won’t accept or approve (the lying polls be damned).
I fully realize the catastrophe it would be for us to actually pull out of Iraq and the ME precipitously. I don’t think we should be pulling out at all. IMHO we should be building bases in Iraq in preparation for the inevitable conflict to come with iran and syria.
Just wanted to clear that up.
techno_barbarian on September 11, 2007 at 4:12 PM
Reed….this is how it is
General..Nope
Reed….I know it is like this
General..Wrong
Reed….Mmmmmmphhhhffffff
General..There ya go
Go back to sleep Reed.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 4:16 PM
Okay, what are the lovebirds whispering in each others’ ears?
Jezla on September 11, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Dodd’s giving speech on CSPAN ….
“I didn’t hear anything new here today.”
“I’m not going to approve any more military funding”
“You can start removing 2-1/2 brigades a month.”
“How can it get much worse over there.”
“Clearly something needs to be done.”
“Happy talk about statistics doesn’t accomplish anything.”
“People are getting tired of hearing things are improving.”
Yeh, we don’t want to hear about any good news.
What a tool.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 4:38 PM
Botoxi, Dirty Harry and Turbin are in presser now.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 4:40 PM
Harry Reid..repeating the lie that we have been in Iraq for six years….No the war on terror is going on six years. Maybe Reid does understand that Iraq is part of the war on terror, he just wants to surrender/have Bush loose so that the republicans will loose in 08.
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 4:44 PM
Pelosi…..’The general has put forth a ten year committment to Iraq’…….Please point me to that statement by Patraeus.
Reid…….’The Bush War’
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 4:45 PM
I don’t know where she got that 10 year commitment either. Petraeus was pressed about how long we would be there today and he did not answer. There is no answer. That’s how the dem pretzel illogic creates these conundrums.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 4:48 PM
Doh…Taliban Nancy just got asked a brutally tough question, her answer..How unbiased a question to ask, I wont ask your political affiliation…Dirty Harry responds with..This congress has accomplished a great deal…
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 4:49 PM
As I listen to Pelosi and Reid hold their
temper tantrumpress conference, I am reminded of the quote below and it’s prophetic accuracy:Congressman Clyburn:
“Good news in Iraq will be bad for the Democrats.”
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 4:50 PM
Here they go on the benchmarks again! What about some benchmarks for the most ethical Congress ever?
Jezla on September 11, 2007 at 4:53 PM
I loved Pelosi’s snark about “a great objective question from the media, I won’t ask your affiliation.”
How does it feel to get a taste of your own medicine Pelousy?
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 4:58 PM
Funny how she managed to be offended…
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Saxby Chambliss quotes Petraeus
“Be relentless in your pursuit of the enemy”
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 5:03 PM
Grahamnesty starts out with a veiled torture joke.
Yo, yo on September 11, 2007 at 2:41 PM
Here’s your cheerleader. Now is the time for him to throw another hissy-fit!
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 5:19 PM
Graham was hilarious. He might be for shamnesty but he put the war into black and white with that series of questions.
Good wins or bad wins. Choose.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 5:27 PM
She just called them both liars!
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 6:10 PM
Clintoon just called Patraeus a liar. No surprise.
techno_barbarian on September 11, 2007 at 6:10 PM
Is Petraeus under oath?
ctmom on September 11, 2007 at 6:16 PM
Now she called it not just a lie but a well crafted lie.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 6:17 PM
Hey Cankles, Kucinich has already expanded our international diplomacy. He had tea and cookies with Assad, didn’t he?
So we are doing it Hill, it’s just that your team does it illegally, unannounced, and in defiance of our constitutional laws.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 6:22 PM
Patraeus and Crocker are heroes. I’d have been hard-pressed not to leap out across the room and throttle some of the arrogant and insulting inquisitors.
The dems don’t want solutions. They just want out. At any cost. It won’t stop the ongoing onslaught of the jihadis; it won’t increase our standing in the world (quite the opposite) but they don’t care about that.
They are at war with the Bush Administration and no one else. They are our enemies’ greatest allies, in my opinion.
techno_barbarian on September 11, 2007 at 6:22 PM
Should’ve been ‘onslaught by the jihadis’
Little pissed off right now…
The dems are so desperate to talk to our enemies. Didn’t we let the international community try that with iran for 3 years? Didn’t get one iota closer to a less dangerous iran, did we?
You can’t be diplomatic with someone who regards diplomacy as utter weakness.
techno_barbarian on September 11, 2007 at 6:25 PM
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