Open thread: Petraeus versus the Democratic presidential field
posted at 9:27 am on September 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Everyone but Silky, basically. Two senate hearings today, one before the Foreign Relations Committee at 9:30 and then the Armed Services Committee at 2 p.m. That means Biden, Dodd, Obama (and Kerry, Feingold, and Webb) in the morning and the Glacier herself (plus Kennedy and Webb again) in the afternoon. Anything less than historic proportions of theatrical outrage and transparent grandstanding will be disappointing. Greasy Joe, in particular, should have a big day: he’s the chairman of the FRC so he gets to kick things off with an opening statement, and he’s also just back from Iraq where he concluded that Petraeus’s assessments of progress are “dead flat wrong.” Between that and his idea of partitioning the country, there should be plenty of video highlights later.
I’m assuming the cable networks will cover at least the opening of the morning session but the 9/11 ceremony is happening in Manhattan right now so it may be bumped. If and when I know who’s airing it, I’ll update here. If you’re watching, as usual, sound off. While we wait, here’s George Will’s column this morning pronouncing the surge a failure and attributing its successes to sectarian cleansing and AQ brutality more so than U.S. military maneuvers. It’s basically Schumer redux. Meanwhile, the Times nudges the Dems to hit Petraeus and Crocker harder than yesterday by helpfully drawing up a list of unanswered (and unasked) questions:
[Crocker's] testimony did not address the continuing wave of internal displacements, only glancingly mentioned Baghdad’s starved infrastructure and said almost nothing about the government’s inability or unwillingness to deliver services to other parts of the country as well.
His description of the growth of provincial power neglected to mention its darker side: Some provinces are becoming rival power centers and could as easily contribute to the country’s disintegration as to its stability…
Mr. Crocker mentioned only glancingly the government’s failure to deliver needed services, focusing primarily on Baghdad’s lack of electricity.
However, electricity is a problem in many parts of Diyala, Diwaniya and other areas. Health services have steadily declined because many doctors, along with a broad swath of the educated middle class, have fled the country. “It’s the government of nothing,” said Adel al-Subeihawi, a tribal leader on Sadr City ’s eastern edge. “No oil. No water. No electricity.”
Another question via Times reporter Michael Gordon, whom Michael Yon routinely praises: How exactly are we going to increase security while drawing down 30,000 surge troops? The presumptive answer is by empowering locals a la the Anbar model. They’re 1/100th as skilled as American troops and 1/1000th as reliable but they offer the one thing the U.S. doesn’t have: manpower. Someone’s bound to ask Petraeus that today. I’ll have the clip when they do.
All things considered, the situation isn’t as bad for war supporters as it might be. Says Kenneth Pollack of Bush, “[He] has found his exit strategy.”
Update: Looks like C-SPAN 1 is going to carry it. Yesterday the hearings were exiled to C-SPAN 3. And now Fox News has picked it up, just as Biden is telling him, a la George Will, that the surge has failed to achieve its main goal of buying the government time to reconcile.
Update: And now Fox has dropped it and returned to 9/11 coverage. You can watch the C-SPAN feed live over the web here.
Update: McClatchy has its own list of unanswered questions.
A chart displayed by Army Gen. David Petraeus that purported to show the decline in sectarian violence in Baghdad between December and August made no effort to show that the ethnic character of many of the neighborhoods had changed in that same period from majority Sunni Muslim or mixed to majority Shiite Muslim…
While Petraeus stressed that civilian casualties were down over the last five weeks, he drew no connection between that statement and a chart he displayed that showed that the number of attacks rose during at least one of those weeks.
Petraeus also didn’t highlight the fact that his charts showed that “ethno-sectarian” deaths in August, down from July, were still higher than in June, and he didn’t explain why the greatest drop in such deaths, which peaked in December, occurred between January and February, before the surge began.
And while both officials said that the Iraqi security forces were improving, neither talked about how those forces had been infiltrated by militias, though Petraeus acknowledged that during 2006 some Iraqi security forces had participated in the ethnic violence…
He said 445,000 people were on the security forces’ payroll, but didn’t discuss that many officials believe that thousands of those don’t actually exist, but are phantoms whose salaries actually go into ministry officials’ pockets.
Bill Ardolino wrote about phantom Iraqi troops during his first embed tour in Fallujah earlier this year.
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The Senate is America’s true quagmire.
When will it end?!
Stormy70 on September 11, 2007 at 9:32 AM
I wonder if Biden knows he is only on CSPAN, since all the other channels are covering 9/11 remembrances.
All that speechifying for nothing. Heh.
Stormy70 on September 11, 2007 at 9:40 AM
I hate the Democrats. We’re at f*@#%$g war! Stop trying to make us lose!
CP on September 11, 2007 at 9:41 AM
Sen. Biden sure does like the sound of his own voice.
Complete7 on September 11, 2007 at 9:43 AM
Patraeus to Biden: Well since you know what to do then here are the keys.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 9:43 AM
What other channels are covering Sept 11 services? I only see FNC. Networks are dedicating the morning coverage to soap operas and Regis
cadetwithchips2 on September 11, 2007 at 9:46 AM
Which should go over well considering only 22% of Americans approve of Congress, and over 64% approve of Petraeus.
amerpundit on September 11, 2007 at 9:47 AM
The biggest disappointment of the day has to be Silky’s inability to tell Petraeus that the war on terror is just a bumper sticker.
swami on September 11, 2007 at 9:47 AM
Yesterday the House got its @ss whooped, today it’s the Senate’s turn.
amerpundit on September 11, 2007 at 9:49 AM
Why would they have hearings today? Why would they put themselves in a situation to insult the general and the troops today?
Self centered little know it all bastards.
sunny on September 11, 2007 at 9:54 AM
I thought Biden was the only other Dem besides Lieberman to denounce the MoveOn ad? I remember last December when Fred Kagan testified before his committee that Biden said he thought Petraeus was the best man for the job. He has also tended to be the Dem candidate in the debates that panders the least to the anti-war left, so I’m hoping he doesn’t embarrass himself. Dodd is the one who has nothing to lose so I bet he’ll take a lot of shots. Hillary, always with her eye on the general election, will probably be fairly circumspect herself, she’ll never capture the center if she takes on Petraeus today. She’s like a team up 2 TD’s in the 4th quarter just trying not to make a mistake. No way she tries to impress the MoveOn crowd today.
The big question for me is how Obama plays it. He’s got to make up ground on Hillary and the only way to do it is to become the anti-war savior the nutroots are dying for. But it just doesn’t seem like he’s got that kind of rudeness in him.
Dudley Smith on September 11, 2007 at 10:05 AM
The most ethical congress ev-ah! I suggest they read this, Crossing Anbar by Omar over at Iraq the Model. It says a lot about peaceful progress – from the Iraqis that live there.
locomotivebreath1901 on September 11, 2007 at 10:05 AM
Pinko disruption #1 at 10:10 am.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 10:11 AM
I hope Biden asks about partition.
It would also be nice if they’d ask Petreaus to share the data a methodology for Iraqi casualties, since the mantra the left puts out is based on open-source stuff like icasualties.org. If that stuff could be released, or at least made more transparent, then that would take away the “cooking the numbers” cudgel the left keeps using.
Also, like AP said yesterday, Kind David needs to appear somewhere else besides Fox – it completely plays into the left’s distorted views and provides them ammunition.
NPP on September 11, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Is it just me or are Crocker’s and Patraeus’ statements the same as yesterday’s?
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Thanks for your help Joe, and for the faith you have exhibited in YOUR PLAN.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Amazing how these Democrats in Washington know more about what’s going on in the field and the results than the Generals and military who are there and doing the fighting. Absolutely amazing. I would also like more information on these Democrats’ military background that gives them the insight on how to fight a war. Their arrogance astounds.
katieanne on September 11, 2007 at 10:22 AM
Was that David Gregory they just threw out of there?
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Disruption #2 at 10:23 am
That man looked like William Jefferson Clinton.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 10:24 AM
Congress must be freaked…..a thought out plan, the information and statistics to back it up, and the willingness to say ‘there it is-now whatcha going do?’.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 10:33 AM
Hahaha……you don’t wanna hear it Joe but here it is anyway….love it!
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 10:36 AM
Congress won’t worry. Since when have information and facts made any difference in their decisions? Playing politics is all the Dems are concerned with and playing to their frothing at the mouth lefty base. They certainly not going to let intelligence play a factor in their agenda.
katieanne on September 11, 2007 at 10:36 AM
Joe Biden…”I’m trying to get elected” what a worthless douche bag, putting his own self interest ahead of those of our troops.
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Richard Lugar…Brainiac brigade a complement? what a disingenuous b@stard…
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 10:45 AM
So Smirkin’ Joe’s making a point that Baghdad is still unsafe – trying to make a fool out of General Petraeus and implying the surge has failed. What Biden fails to realize is that he is making Petraeus’ point for him. Petraeus wants to continue with the surge strategy, keep the troops deployed at higher strength in order to quell the violence and make the streets safer for all Iraqi citizens.
1600 down to 1000. Hmm, I thought that indicated progress. Funny how the libs can cite a positive statistic, then side step it as an irrelavent statistic.
Fun to watch.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Typical politician….the polls trump everything…greasy
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 10:55 AM
Biden actually said that?
Sue on September 11, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Is there anything more ironic than Democratic Senators who haven’t been able to pass any meaningful legislation complaining about the Iraqi government’s inability to pass any meaningful legislation?
The Iraqis have to tread lightly, for fear of their lives.
The Democrats have to tread lightly, for fear of losing their office or being chastized by MoveOn.org.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 11:05 AM
I think Biden handed Hagel his talking points. What an embarrassment to the Republican party.
Not running again Chuck. Buh-bye.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 11:10 AM
There is an enormous amount of dysfunctionality in our Congress too, Ambassador Crocker.
ctmom on September 11, 2007 at 11:10 AM
A$$hat alert, a$$hat alert!
KelliD on September 11, 2007 at 11:18 AM
Here comes the quagmire.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 11:18 AM
Thank you, Chuck Hagel, for once again giving the MSM the opportunity to say that there was harsh bipartisan criticism of Petraeus and Crocker in the Senate.
Dudley Smith on September 11, 2007 at 11:18 AM
Forget campaign ads and stump speeches. Voters should be required to view yesterday’s and today’s hearings and many others like it before voting so they can these people in action. Maybe it would be an alternative to term limits as these idiots would not keep getting re-elected.
Oh never mind. The majority of Americans get their news from Entertainment Tonight and would rather watch American Idol and other mindless TV emissions.
Oh God. Now Lurch is up.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 11:18 AM
Kerry just said in his opening statement he was “very respectful” of the troops serving in Iraq.
Lie #1.
….. more to come.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 11:19 AM
Hey did you know that John F’in Kerry was in Vietnam?
KelliD on September 11, 2007 at 11:19 AM
Lurch compares Petraeus to Westmoreland.
“Oh by the way did you know I served in Vietnam?” is what Lurch really wants to say.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Here’s the completely flawed Viet Nam crap.
Predictably from one of the same asshats who brought it about.
techno_barbarian on September 11, 2007 at 11:21 AM
hmmmmmm, have the democrats measured up to their own benchmarks???
ctmom on September 11, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Here’s how I wish the General would respond to horseface:
“Sorry senator, but I made a promise to myself that I would never respond to any questions asked by someone who degraded his fellow soldiers, disgraced his country and met with our enemies in Paris while we were still at war.”
F U pal.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 11:25 AM
fogw,
That’s what I was just thinking,as soon as I saw Lurch:
Matticus Finch on September 11, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Lurch mentioned “raping daughters” but attributed it to AQ this time, not “our soldiers terrorizing women and children…”
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 11:30 AM
Whoa, Bidens interrupts. Lurch did not have a happy face.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Patraeus did a great job telling Kerry the truth about the British pullout in the south.
Complete7 on September 11, 2007 at 11:37 AM
Feingold asking these guys about worldwide allocation of resources when their focus is on Iraq. Love ya, Dems! ahahahah
Sir Loin on September 11, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Feingold is getting b1tch-slapped while he tries to interrupt every answer from Petraues and Crocker.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 11:55 AM
Huzzah for anti-war Boxer. Is she going to make comments about his childen or lack thereof too?
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 12:08 PM
28 Soldiers in 6 days… that’s probably less than the murder rate in DC.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Oh, and maybe Greasy Joe, if you Demos weren’t spending so much time bloviating and talking over Petreaus and Crocker, they’d have more time.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 12:12 PM
What a cheap shot….Boxer gets to spout and no response allowed.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Ha, nice one Mr. Sununu. “I’ll take my time to ask questions”
KelliD on September 11, 2007 at 12:13 PM
I am soooo embarrassed that Boxer is from California, spent her entire time pontificating and when her time was expired she asked one single question which she insisted be responded to not here and now but later in writing so that Gen. Petraeus couldnt give her the public spanking she so richly deserved.
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 12:14 PM
Please, somebody tell Crocker to stop say “uhh”. Argh!!!
Tyrs Fury on September 11, 2007 at 12:17 PM
We are losing the war, badly. No doubt about it.
Not in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or the global WOT. It is the propaganda war that is out of hand.
When you compare the murderous tactics of the terrorists, and the rhetorical terror tactics and organization of the home grown America haters – there are similarities.
We need a propaganda surge. They have their Al-Queda (MoveOn), their front line troops (Dem leaders), the associated cells (code pink etc.), and the media (their Al-Jazeera, BBC). Their religion – Socialism?
But how do we take them out, attrit their members and actors? It is time to play hard ball. Dig up and sling the dirt that takes them out for good.
Wire tap them using the “N-word” or “Sand-N”. Look into their finances. Set them up. THIS IS WAR.
If we don’t figure this out, we could win the war on the battlefield, but lose our country at home.
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 12:35 PM
C-span3’s Washington Post ‘reporter’ said ‘we all knew what they(Petraeus/Crocker) were going to say’. No prejudgement a-tal
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Well we did know what they were going to say. We have been paying attention and know what is going on.
The press has gone out of its way to suppress the progress, so this report would come as a “surprise” to uninformed Americans.
This makes it easier to sell the idea that is it a lie.
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 12:40 PM
If the dems are making headway with this kind of rhetoric, if the polls show that the dems are not being hurt by this garbage, then why should they stop?
If the polls start to show outrage, then they will pull back.
I suspect, the majority are just tired, and do not want to be bothered by anything to do with the war. This ambivilence will spur the dems on.
What a pity, no wonder congress has the lowest approval rating ever.
right2bright on September 11, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Yea, we need a Jawa Report that specifically targets people within the United States who claim to be American citizens but are actively working to ensure our defeat in Iraq and the WOT…
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 12:45 PM
For those of you who may have missed this morning’s hearing, let me capsulize the line of questions from the Democrats (including Hagel) on the committee,
[opening statement]
“I want to thank you for your service to our country, and also want to congratulate our troops for their bravery and the outstanding job they are doing in Iraq. They are to be commended.”
[pause]
“General, in all honesty, do you really expect us to believe that the surge being carried out by your troops, under your command, is working?”
(I hear they will re-broadcast the hearings tonite on the Cartoon Network)
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 12:45 PM
The Profit is up.
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Bush’s exit strategy out of Iraq is hopefully eastward through Iran, as it should be.
The Dems have already climbed over of millions of aborted bodies to get elected, a few more American military and citizens are no worries for them. I can’t watch those pimps questioning and insulting someone that is serving and protecting this country so well.
Hening on September 11, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Zerobama making his usual complete non-contribution to discussion. I heard he was thinking about running for president when he grows up. I say he should keep an open mind until his sophomore year at college at least.
CK MacLeod on September 11, 2007 at 12:49 PM
Osama Obama pontificating and splattering the room and entire nation with bull$hit……
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 12:50 PM
Barry Hussein gives a campaign speech. Sounds like leftover garbage from Lurch ‘04.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 12:50 PM
When the hell did Quote: “A-S-S” become vulgar?
We should start kicking some of these folks into on the cold down onto theirs.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 12:51 PM
Is anyone liveblogging this that’s worth reading (besides HA’s worth commenters, of course)? I was reading the Politico, but it was getting so one-sided (Boxer “just hammered” Petraeus) that I had to shut the window down.
Dudley Smith on September 11, 2007 at 12:52 PM
OK, I’m convinced Obama wrote the NYT ad for MoveOn.org
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 12:52 PM
“At what point do we say enough?” – B.O.
We finally (President Bush) said “enough” to the terrorists. That’s why we’re at war.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 12:54 PM
That’s it – his run is OVER.
The last thing Americans should abide is a “President” that can not say ASS. Especially when talking about kicking it.
My “litmus” test for president is how I can picture them in the war room saying – “Go Kill Those Muthu-Fu**ers”.
I can picture Bush, Fred, Rudy and some others in this scenario (Hillary Clinton, hmmm).
I can only imagine Obama stuttering his way through questions about reliability of intelligence, collateral damage, etc.
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 12:56 PM
DeMint to O…….SLAP
Limerick on September 11, 2007 at 12:58 PM
We have a tough election coming up. The opportunity to convert black votes to the Republicans is rich, but Obama stifles that.
When the Democrats reject him, it will be our time to strike (after he is rejected for VP).
The Libs and Democrats are racist. We need a black Carl Rove to get the Republican party on track to win this thing.
The black vote is the key. Using conspiracy theory tactics we can flip everything from Katrina to the VH1 music awards as evidence of Liberal racism.
First recruits Kanye West, Moss Def, Russel Simmons.
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 1:03 PM
Menendez just earned a sound bite on tonight’s MSM.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 1:09 PM
I can’t watch the dem Senators make “A-S-S-E-S” out of themselves, not after going through the same stuff yesterday, Same crap, different faces. And I at least would recognize the Senators (who was that jerk Wexler), but still I can’t take it. I used up all my downers yesterday to scrape myself off the ceiling.
Please keep up the running narrative. You’ll keep my blood pressure somewhere below 2008 over 911.
Mustafa Hemmroid on September 11, 2007 at 1:14 PM
Johnny Isakson…Gen. Petraeus, a poll taken yesterday shows that 69% of the American people trust you more to tell us what is going on in Iraq and only 20 percent trust congress, I guess we ought to listen to what you have to say.
doriangrey on September 11, 2007 at 1:15 PM
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 1:03 PM
My first recruit is Bill Cosby. He’s already wearing the quasi-label of Uncle Tom.
swami on September 11, 2007 at 1:17 PM
We may have a few who get it in DC but it sure looks bad.
Republicans sharply question Iraq policy
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
43 minutes ago
Senate Republicans sharply challenged President Bush’s top military general and ambassador in Iraq on Tuesday in a sign that some within the GOP retain serious misgivings about the protracted war.
“Are we going to continue to invest blood and treasure at the same rate we’re doing now? For what?” asked Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., who supports legislation setting a deadline to bring troops home.
The deep-seated doubt expressed at the hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee reflected just how far Congress had come since the war began over four years ago. And Republican senators raised tough questions that rivaled those asked by Democratic presidential hopefuls on the panel.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070911/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq;_ylt=Ahmo3Gsh.gTKRnQRUnHcTQCs0NUE
Speakup on September 11, 2007 at 1:27 PM
Dudley Smith correctly predicted it:
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 1:30 PM
Message from the chair: “Hurry up and answer the questions so we can get back to bloviating.”
techno_barbarian on September 11, 2007 at 1:35 PM
As a black American, conservative, Republican – I say that black Americans are conservative by nature. This will lead to a lot of support for Obama.
For me his stuttering idiotic comments confirm every criticism of his leadership potential. As long as he has to joust with Hillary, there is no hope that he might refine his presentation or positions.
His comments about “the timing” of the hearing (as this is 9/11) makes me want to spit.
What he is going to find is that instead of Oprah stealing the women vote from Hillary (unless they bring up Bills philandering in a big way) – those women are going to react as though Oprah “does not know her place”.
When Obama is out, expect to see a return of the real uncle toms – Rangle, Jackson, and Sharpton.
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 1:37 PM
I want to know where the democrats are getting these “Iraqi street” polls. 80% this 90% that.
They are like IED strikes. Inverse Expectation Data.
They set them off, with no threat of response. Chipping away, illegitimately at moral – though they are of the point of military progress.
I’m still waiting for the 650 thousand dead attack.
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Question: Have generals in previous wars likewise been called to testify/be interrogated before Congress during said war?
CP on September 11, 2007 at 1:52 PM
I wish someone would just say it…
People act like on September 12th, there were only two Al-Queda members. For a decade they were training tens of thousands of these retards. We did not create them.
Iraq is a meat grinder for Jihadis. That is why it is necessary. Rumsfeld – “you find the enemy, fix the enemy, and finish the enemy”.
You don’t chase them all over the damn world. If you can not corner them, you lure them to a killing field. For Iraq suffering the destruction of this necessity, they will be generously compensated.
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 1:53 PM
Biden: “…but to bring this to an honorable end.”
Then DO it! Vote to cut off the funding and bring the Troops home. Stop talking about it and DO IT!
We are led by cowards, traitors, and fools.
techno_barbarian on September 11, 2007 at 1:57 PM
techno_barbarian – clearly that route is dishonorable.
It is much more than that we would look bad to the terrorists. Even more than that the middle east, and others would make conclusions about a hasty withdrawal.
I challenge you to think about what would follow. Both an optimistic potential with success, and the results of withdrawal.
I doubt you will give it any serious thought.
Agrippa2k on September 11, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Thanks Speakup.
I’m wondering, were there two or three mirrors surrounding Hagel?
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Levin opens with (and I paraphrase): Thank you for your service. You are liars.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 2:18 PM
Since when did Chuckles Hagel become “Republicans”… plural.
“Republicans sharply question Iraq policy”, says Anne Flaherty, MSM hack with AP……
I am so sick of all these liberal buttlickers. They are all a bunch of lunatics. If we are going to succeed as a country, we’ll have to do so in spite of these people. Maybe WE need a civil war! We should start with a list of the most offensive 100 media entities and the 100 most offensive personalities…… and start to whittle this list down financially and electorally. Every 4 years, a new Hit List of enemies that need to be knocked out of public life.
Mustafa Hemmroid on September 11, 2007 at 2:19 PM
Interesting statement coming from a guy with a comb-over
yo on September 11, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Odd, what a senator will say immediately after standing by the side of our troops and what he will say three weeks later, after MoveOn.org gets their claws into him.
fogw on September 11, 2007 at 2:24 PM
McCain is really taking it to the democrats. It’s good to have him on our side in this fight for victory in Iraq.
Complete7 on September 11, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Could McCain be making such a strong argument with any LESS enthusiasm in his voice?
yo on September 11, 2007 at 2:30 PM
McCain is schooling the dems on the truth and the facts which they have not and will never accept.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Well, he exhibited consummate professionalism in his statement. Any show of enthusiasm would have, to me at least, sounded like a campaign speech. Most of what he said he has been saying over and over anyway.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 2:37 PM
Good point. Still, it’d be nice to see some cheer leading, once in a while.
yo on September 11, 2007 at 2:41 PM
Indeed but I don’t think this hearing is the venue nor is today the day.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 2:56 PM
There’s enough underdressed women in tights on that panel already.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 2:56 PM
You mean those ninnies dressed in pink? Those were the dem cheerleaders.
Brat on September 11, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Fair enough.
yo on September 11, 2007 at 3:03 PM
Is Crocker on trial or something?
ctmom on September 11, 2007 at 3:04 PM
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