Video: Taking on lefty hate speech on The Factor
posted at 10:00 pm on September 10, 2007 by Bryan
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Lefties engaging in hate speech that earned mentions tonight included MoveOn for their despicable “General Betray Us” ad, an ad ultimately paid for by a convicted inside trader (where are the lefties who’ll denounce George Soros, Robber Baron?) and aimed at a man who has spent his entire adult life defending America in uniform; Mos Def for being a Truther fool; Tim Robbins and Rosie O’Donnell for positing that it’s the US that’s the real terrorist in Iraq, not the Quds force or al Qaeda goons who blow up car bombs among school children and massacre whole villages and not the Iranian mullahs who have engaged in warfare against sovereign Iraq for more than a year now. We’re the terrorists for deposing a genocidal maniac and then trying to stop the Zarqawi headchoppers and Sadrist sectarian scourers from engaging in murder for their faith, for their politics and at least in Zarqawi’s case, apparently just for the fun of it. Such is the quality of reasoning among that set. Such is the quality of character among those on the left who won’t take on and defeat such thinking on their own side.
Yes, we get a pro forma “They’re irrelevant” from Kirsten. I’ve already explained the reason that it’s necessary to take these Hollywood types on, and see no need to rehash that. That message evidently isn’t getting through, even while the number of Truthers and Truther-lites among Democrats grows and grows. Even though, per Kirsten, the hard core Truthers are “irrelevant.” You can lead a pundit to data, but…well, you know the rest.
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Wait. Rossie says we killed 655,000 Iraqis and a couple of months later Tim Robbins says 400,000. What happened to the other 255,000? Did they get better? Were they just mostly dead?
You know, it’s almost as if these leftards are making this stuff up.
Drew on September 10, 2007 at 10:07 PM
It sounds plausible; therefore, it is.
Truth to power. Or as we say in my neck of the woods “Barking up a Tree.”
Tennman on September 10, 2007 at 10:15 PM
What was the line in Monty Python and the Holy Grail? “I’m not quite dead, yet!”
Ms Powers has a pretty untenable position and it is begining to show. She looks damned tired and worn out. She just cannot present a decent arguement; especially when she is up against Ms Malkin.
DAT60A3 on September 10, 2007 at 10:18 PM
The leftward swing of Hollywood is just a symptom of how cut off they are from the real world. The planet celebs live on is incredibly small, and shrinking fast because of the constant 24/7 coverage of their lives. They can’t even shop for groceries without ending up on the front page because they wore an ugly t-shirt.
This leads celebs to isolate themselves even further and to start believing that what they think and say actually matters. It’s pathetic, disgusting, annoying, and dangerous all rolled into one.
MoxArgon on September 10, 2007 at 10:18 PM
Powers = overrated
wryteacher on September 10, 2007 at 10:20 PM
They because the newest Democratic voting Block – the Undead.
First appearing in the Washington State Polls in 2008 where undead, felons, and imaginary friends were encouraged to vote – soon and often.
CrazyFool on September 10, 2007 at 10:22 PM
“I’m not quite dead, yet!”
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 10:27 PM
255,000? Sh*t…I hope our armed forces and Iraqis can handle a Class 3 Zombie outbreak.
Bad Candy on September 10, 2007 at 10:29 PM
Michelle is really the only relevant aspect of The Factor anymore.
infidel4life on September 10, 2007 at 10:33 PM
I’m really disappointed in Kirsten lately. I used to look to her blog as the “reason” of the left…someone who can be admired for her convictions and for being able to articulate her position well. When did that disappear? How many times are people going to have to show her the films of people who do these things under the banner of the Democrat party before she says, “Holy Crap, this is the Democratic party.” Granted, the Republicans aren’t perfect, and we have our own fair share of issues, but we address and fix them…the Democrats embrace their fringe, without remorse, or consequence, because those who used to be reasonable in their midst (Powers), have instead turned to apologetics, and misdirection. The fringe can push the party in whatever direction they want, because what’s the worst that will happen to them? It’s not like the media is going to run with any of the bad (see $850k/Hillary/HSU)…
StoutRepublican on September 10, 2007 at 10:35 PM
That’s true Geraldo is screaming and acting out because that’s all he’s got but he went way over the line and the big guys at Fox should know they’re playing with fire if they don’t rein in a loose cannon that runs around slandering coworkers.
Speakup on September 10, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Wait Rossie says we killed 655,0000 Iragis and a couple
of months later Tim Robbins says 400,000.What happened
to the other 255,000.
Drew on September 10,2007 at 10:07PM.
Thats because Tim and Rosie are idiots,but I did stay at a Holiday Inn and I did the math,it amounts to about 100
killer rabbits from the holy grail that did all that damage.ha ha
canopfor on September 10, 2007 at 10:38 PM
Here’s the thing about celebrities speaking their mind: they are largely successful in life, monetarily. Most kids and teens look at the money they have and think, “Wow. I want to have what they have.” Emulation follows.
THAT is why we should censor celebrities.
unamused on September 10, 2007 at 10:40 PM
So true! It is why I like a few of the celebrities that live somewhat like normal people and are not totally infatuated with themselves.
I’m surprised Michelle didnt bring up Geraldo
Resolute on September 10, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Same old same old except the end where it seems the gauntlet has been thrown down by Powers “probably not” answer to O’s question on saturdays counter protest ralley. By the way Powers smug answer is indicative of the attitude we have reinforced in the left. They assume that our inaction is either apathy or fear. When are we going to rise up to protest all these anarchist nut job whaco’s? Cmon a little walk beside the reflecting pool in front of the Lincoln memorial HMMM.
sonnyspats1 on September 10, 2007 at 10:41 PM
Bill says this “fringe mentality” is creeping, “especially among the younger people.”
Hardly surprising, when you consider most young people (particularly those who never wore a uniform) spend all their time playing bloodlust video games and watching Britney Spears do her “Frankenstein putting on the Ritz” impersonation.
Ask 10 people under 30 years of age to show you a history book, and 8 immediately look under the short leg of the kitchen table.
Any less-than-30s in the room are excluded, of course.
And as for Tim Robbins and Michael Moore; just who do you think watches their movies? Hollywood gets 92% of its money from people age 14-23. Don’t count on an acting or directing career if you alienate that crowd.
thejackal on September 10, 2007 at 10:43 PM
I’m surprised Michelle didnt bring up Geraldo
Resolute on September 10, 2007 at 10:40 PM
No need click on her web site and see why. Its great publicity for Geraldo.
sonnyspats1 on September 10, 2007 at 10:45 PM
It’s very possible that FOX News management have asked her not too. I imagine they would just like it to go away without any more attention drawn to it. Disappointing if true. It would only encourage him more.
Ordinary1 on September 10, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Any organization that has access to millions of dollars who’s members live off of anti-american sentiment, who wish the defeat of their own country, and move towards the complete socialization of the US is dangerous regardless of the numbers of registered members.
Weebork on September 10, 2007 at 10:48 PM
It would only encourage him more.Management sweeping it under the rug only encourages him more (if that’s what’s happening)Fixed it.
Ordinary1 on September 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM
…. you can’t make them think.
fogw on September 10, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Not to mention she’s much easier on the eyes. I have a tough time on Kirsten. Every time I see her on Bill’s show, she seems very intimidated. Of course, Bill and Michelle routinely tag-team her into submission and she knows what she’s in for before she arrives on the set. Still, I agree the left is becoming more radical and many young people without solid family structures are getting their ideology from radical people in music and film. They lack balance, and their numbers are growing. They will be the “left” of the future. Scary to think about.
thedecider on September 10, 2007 at 10:59 PM
On this one, Kirsten is right & Michelle is wrong. “I’m mad as hell & I’m not going to take it anymore” will not be heard from the American people en mass.
Why? Money. Follow the money. Moore’s money; DePalma’s money; Cuban’s money; Soros’ money; Huffington’s money; Streisand’s money; Moveon’s money; nutroot’s money….momma’s milk of politics & propaganda.
The average American jack n jill get most of their ‘news’ from lefty wack job info-tainment maudlin shows like ‘the view’, ‘oprah’, bill maher, CBS & ‘the late show’. And all that crapola is regurgitated & reinforced through mass movie & music consumption – clooney, penn, robbins, matthews, mos def, john whos-its. I’m surprised fonda & baez haven’t been resurrected yet.
All this vociferous polarization is eerily reminiscent of the ramp up to this nation’s spitting & screaming north n south factions during the 1850’s. And we all know what that led to….
locomotivebreath1901 on September 10, 2007 at 11:00 PM
Don’t confuse the left with rights
factsKini on September 10, 2007 at 11:01 PM
I mentally roll my eyes every time I hear the phrase “far left” come from the likes of O’Reilly. I think in his mind he uses that phrase because he wants to remain “fair and balanced”. In other words, it’s to keep up his “I’m an Independent” image.
I think it does him a disservice to his audience to frame it that way because it dilutes the seriousness of the problem. By framing as the “far left”, he gives undue credit to KP’s point about the Democrat Party’s tilt to the left is only a minor problem and is much ado about nothing.
(The same goes for the slogan “War on Terror”. We are amidst a war against violent Muslims, but it best be framed as a war against a verb to placate political correctness. After all, we’d better not offend by using mean sounding, though truthful, words, whereas the real outrage should be aimed at those who would commit acts of terror in the name of their religion.)
Weebork on September 10, 2007 at 11:08 PM
oops – make that first appearing in 2004…. long day….
CrazyFool on September 10, 2007 at 11:08 PM
Kirsten’s right.
…
That’s what I’d be saying RIGHT NOW if she would only drop the restraining order.
tlynch001 on September 10, 2007 at 11:08 PM
Americans are too fat and lazy for that. Anyway, a new season of House is about to start. Can’t miss that!
tlynch001 on September 10, 2007 at 11:13 PM
There’s nothing wrong with violent video games, don’t become that psycho ambulance chaser Jack Thompson, as for Britney, everyone watches the trainwreck. And its a vast oversimplification, so no one else fal for this line.
The real problems are that the lefties dominate online, and are unrelenting propagandists, you go to any site (political or not), and they’re there, spreading their ideology, be it Trutherism, socialist/leftist/antiwar propaganda, or just stirring people up for Two Minutes Hate, they’re as tenacious as the Ron Paul robots, and probably tens of thousands of times as numerous, maybe hundreds of thousands when you add Euro leftists.
Beyond that, you have a pop culture absolutely owned and politicized by the left(politicizing which does not exist as profoundly in video gaming yet…I’ll hope it stays that way).
The most destructive however is the fact that our school systems are entirely run and dominated by the left (even in private schools, they largely operate on methodologies developed by leftists, influenced by the same school teaching/management theory used by public schools, and taught their craft by leftists at leftist universities).
People my age and younger basically exist in bubble of leftist ideology for the first twenty years of their lives, if not longer. While that bubble produces some virulently anti-leftist people like me, many are going as virulently leftist as I am virulently opposed to the left, but many will simply be numbed and vaguely liberal or apathetic. Some will move right, but its still a huge disadvantage for us.
Bad Candy on September 10, 2007 at 11:14 PM
Does Kirsten really think that anyone believe her when she says that “these people don’t have anything to do with the Democratic Party”? DePalma echoing what the Left says all the time in a movie that people will go to and swallow wholesale – and Powers wants us to believe that this is completely and totally inconsequential.
She is being incredibly intellectually dishonest. But, then again, when you are a Democrat, and this is your party, and you have to go on TV to represent it – I suppose you aren’t given much of a choice. It is either embrace it honestly, or deny it dishonestly.
nailinmyeye on September 10, 2007 at 11:21 PM
What?
Nonfactor on September 10, 2007 at 11:25 PM
Hilariously so.
But she got the exit question right, and the Boss voted with her heart and not her head.
Jaibones on September 10, 2007 at 11:27 PM
When will KP get tired of carrying water for the Dhem crazies?
Mojave Mark on September 10, 2007 at 11:31 PM
Shelley seemed … edgy. I have no doubt that the personal attacks and hate are painful and effective.
I wonder if the lack of professionalism at Fox isn’t enough to separate her. I have no doubt the O’Reilly isn’t weighing in because he’s sure there’s no upside for him, and besides “she’s a big girl”. Maybe some of our anger is gender-driven little sister sort of stuff; maybe not. It still pisses me off to no end.
Her post linked to a Boston Globe hagiography that was painful to read. I have no doubt that the writer polished his knob on the boat, out of sheer devotion. It was sick.
Jaibones on September 10, 2007 at 11:32 PM
Don’t get upset, Bryan. Kirsten speaks Democratic truth about the Loony Left. They’re the “irrelevant” in the room none of them wants to talk about.
And as to Geraldo, tut, tut. Try to be a bit understanding. You know how romantic he is. His Michelle obsession just can’t be helped It’s clearly a case of cherchez la phlegm.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on September 10, 2007 at 11:33 PM
I say Michelle’s right.
http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/
Speakup on September 10, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Yeah, you heard me. I’m technically out of said bubble as I’m done with college, but people in K-12 and college, still in a lefty run bubble, and don’t you deny it. Its no secret that the education system is dominated by leftists.
Bad Candy on September 11, 2007 at 12:01 AM
You do seem to live in the bubble where teachers constantly preach political opinions to their students or attempt to indoctrinate them into a certain world view. This just doesn’t happen, or at least not on the hyperbolic stage that you seem to indicate. The idea that every person in America is born into this “bubble” as you call it and stay in there for the “first twenty years of their lives, if not longer,” is insane.
People form their own political opinions, teachers in high school are probably the least influential group affecting the opinions of students.
Nonfactor on September 11, 2007 at 12:11 AM
It seems much of it comes from personality or the family/culture they’re raised in. I can’t say my high school teachers had any impact on my beliefs. In fact, I thought my teachers were idiots (though they weren’t). Largely, my beliefs were formed in my family structure as interpreted through my individual personality. However, without a solid family structure, I can see how a person is left to interpret any feedback (teacher, popular culture, etc…) without context in a number of ways. Left to ourselves, self-preservation takes over and we use the input we trust.
thedecider on September 11, 2007 at 12:20 AM
I don’t know if I buy that. My son is 17 and a senior this year. While I must admit, he has come around in the last few years on his political views, (which I proudly owe to the fact that he still listens to his old man) He used to come home spouting all kinds of leftest drivle from his so-called educators. They are all still there. He just argues with them now. And I might add, wipes the floor with them more often than not.
conservnut on September 11, 2007 at 12:25 AM
I don’t mean to burst the bubble but the libtards
have infected the Canadian education as well!
canopfor on September 11, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Its less the teaching, and more how the school is operated, the values placed on what receives priority in the classroom and philosophy behind both of those factors. There are many reasons I believe this, the breakdown of discipline being the first.
Our school system looks more like Lord of The Flies every day, problem students are allowed to run riot and bully without punishment or discipline, allowed to do as they please, and otherwise decent students can’t rely on the school to discipline the student.
They can’t retaliate in a reasonable manner because the schools will discipline non-problem students in a disproportionate manner, and ignore the provocation, or of course, this being America, the little bastard bully who finally got what was coming to him calls John Edwards or some other ambulance chaser.
Why is this happening? Leftist ideology, specifically the combined clout of laziness on the part of teachers (unionists, gov’t employees, no competitive threat to their job security, tenure), deemphasis on formal education (we’ve gone from too formal to too much feeling, its unbalanced and stubborness and inertia on the part of leftist dominated education thinktanks aren’t helping), too much relativism and postmodernist squishiness in the social sciences and I believe heterogenous teaching philosophy has been an utter failure (yes, I’ve read some of the studies, no I don’t buy that it works).
The heterogenous teaching system I believe is a root cause of a lot of the problem. I think its a cost saving measure more than anything, and then justified as an afterthought. We expect teachers to somehow meet the needs of a roomful of students with radically different capabilities in the subject?
Bullsh*t! It can’t happen, and the fact that the school systems continue this charade is a crime. Every person has things they are capable of and incapable of, and they should be taught so that they can maximize their individual output, I don’t believe heterogenous teaching can do it.
Another biggie is the union system. We always hear that teachers get underpaid…again, bullsh*t! Good teachers get underpaid criminally, crappy teachers get overpaid on an equally criminal level. Good teachers are basically subsidizing the sh*tty ones because the crummy ones pay protection to the Unions.
Bad Candy on September 11, 2007 at 12:39 AM
I should clarify. I believe much of this problem is borne of heterogenous teaching. Rather than weed out behavioral problems from the general student population, these students continue to be allowed to wreak havoc in the classroom and the halls.
This is because of heterogenous educating, which dictates that students should be placed in normal class settings at nearly all costs, other students be damned. Its crap, and symptomatic of leftist and socialist thinking and its insistence on creating an appearance of “equality.”
It does the kid who needs remedial help or discipline no favors, and lowers the accomplishments of the rest of the students in the classroom because the teacher is either at constant war with the kid, or has given up and the inmate runs the asylum.
Bad Candy on September 11, 2007 at 12:48 AM
On the flipside of that, students who are performing above the rest or below the rest can be detrimental to a general class too. Teachers often find themselves either trying to find work for the student performing above the rest or blowing past the rest of the class to teach the star student, or spending time on remedial work for a student underperforming, as the rest of the class grinds to a halt.
These students should be put in classes according to their ability. Let the star student take advanced classes, and let the struggling student do a remedial class, with the longterm goal of moving them back into the general population. It happens of course, but not nearly on the level it should, and doing what is right is often overshadowed by the desire to keep students in the general population.
Bad Candy on September 11, 2007 at 12:55 AM
If true, not for the lack of trying – I volunteered in my local school district after 9/11, then taught full-time for one year in public high school (suburban NH). The whole admin., from superintendent down through 95 % of the science dept., was solid Dem. and strong union, and voiced their opinions almost every day, including in class, but oh, so subtly. One “science” teacher swore that Carter’s economy was just dandy and Reagan left the economy in tatters. Look at a DJI chart sometime and map the administrations.
fred5678 on September 11, 2007 at 12:58 AM
Wow KP, did that hurt? Seriously, you need to stop beating yourself up like that, the DNC already hates you for being on “EVIL FAUX NOISE RIGHT WING FASCIST BUSH FRONT MACHINE,” you don’t have to bow down to them, or support The Glacier.
BKennedy on September 11, 2007 at 1:01 AM
Ditto. I was forced to join the union and it put a ceiling on my salary as far as I’m concerned. Oh, for a free market in education, with school choice and teacher review by merit.
fred5678 on September 11, 2007 at 1:03 AM
I should note, I haven’t actually taught. Considered it, and decided jumping into a train about to wreck is a dumb idea.
Bad Candy on September 11, 2007 at 1:07 AM
Move America Foward cosponsers of the Sept.15 rally in DC also gathering of eagles .com is a sponser too.
sonnyspats1 on September 11, 2007 at 1:07 AM
Whatever, I’m off.
Bad Candy on September 11, 2007 at 1:09 AM
I’m working on my 14-year old grandson now. Having helped him with homework, I know exactly what he is being taught.
Connie on September 11, 2007 at 1:24 AM
At least Kirsten was right at the very end. America has had more than enough chances to rise up against the sickening “peace” movement and now the evil-supporting “truthers”, but all that’s happened is that these diseases become more and more mainstream. Any real “rising up” will necessitate quite a few prosecutions for treason (ain’t gonna happen) even more deportations (ain’t gonna happen) and a thorough cleaning-out of the Islamist-enabling MSM (really ain’t gonna happen). Happy 9/11.
Halley on September 11, 2007 at 1:45 AM
What? What world do you live in? My daughters have spent the last 6 years between them in one of the more respected area public high schools in Chicago, and they were both subjected to an unending stream of leftism from their teachers which had absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter. It was an outrage, and a gross violation of teaching ethics. In my world, every one of these teachers who do this to kids would lose their certificates.
In your humble opinion? Or are you back to just making up weird things and calling them facts? What makes you think this?
Jaibones on September 11, 2007 at 1:45 AM
The way the NYT’s stock has been plummeting over the years, Rupert Murdoch should be able to buy it all up at a bargain discount.
Egfrow on September 11, 2007 at 4:47 AM
It was a train wreck – 50% of time spent on class discipline. I taught science, having qualified with BS in engineering and Masters in Comp. Sci., had worked on Surveyor lunar lander, Project Corona (first spy satellite), and AA’s SABRE reservation system. Also had commercial pilot license, but did not get to teach honors course, which spent extra month on AVIATION AND SPACE SCIENCE. I snuck all that good stuff in anyway.
Note I said ONE year (9/11 gave me the impetus). I now teach instrument flying to grownups.
fred5678 on September 11, 2007 at 5:08 AM
As a college professor, I see plenty of evidence that it does. I’m at a university with relatively high standards for admission, and I can’t tell you how many grossly uneducated students I have–students who cannot construct a grammatically sound sentence or coherent paragraph, who know almost nothing of history or science, and who fail to see how any of these things might be relevant to them–who are political experts and know exactly how everything ought to be. They have to be taught basic reasoning skills, and that feeeeeeelings are not the basis of sound decisions, nor are they effective tools of persuasion to those of us not given to histrionics.
The logical extension of this view is that teachers don’t have a great deal of influence over students, period. If this is so, why are students in school? Why would we think they would learn anything? Or do we think students have such effective analytical skills that they deftly discern fact from opinion, absorbing the former and discarding the latter? How is a parent to instruct their children to learn from a teacher, but that only some of what the teacher says is true? And how, when I am trying to correct years of propagandizing on the part of their revered teachers, am I to say, “I am sure your high school history teacher was a very nice man, but exactly how would he know that in 20 years we would find out who really shot Kennedy?” Where does one even begin to deconstruct that mess?
DrMagnolias on September 11, 2007 at 7:20 AM
Bull. How can anyone embrace either side completely honestly these days? You could, as in many Blue Dogs situation, disown it and become a centrist (of course, this makes us Bush Dogs in the Left’s eyes). That’s the only honest thing to do for us disenfranchised (former) Dems.
SouthernDem on September 11, 2007 at 8:38 AM
Michelle vs. Kirsten is like Godzilla vs. a house fly. Kirsten gets squashed each time. And just as much gunk comes out of her when she gets squashed.
madmonkphotog on September 11, 2007 at 8:58 AM
I salute Gen. Petreaus, (Pet ur us not Betray us) Michelle and her upstanding non reaction against ‘The Stash’ that just riles him more when he does not get the reaction he wants to enable him to use the race card.
He needs to take a chill pill, relax, and reflect.
Also, let’s fast forward a bit. Speaker Pelosi is safe from any challenge from Cindy because her removal from the floor yesterday will brand her with a felony conviction making her ineligible to run for public office.
MSGTAS on September 11, 2007 at 9:57 AM
correction to previous post Pet ‘ur US is the actual phonetic pronunciation of the Generals last name.
The left again does not fully understand basic grammar, how to parody a name, or what the face of the people look like.
Move On should Move On.
MSGTAS on September 11, 2007 at 10:02 AM
Probably shouldn’t dump on KP so much this time she just gave her opinion she really wasn’t that bad.
She didn’t agree with the Demo candidates concerning the despicable Petraeus ad and thought it should be condemned.
Speakup on September 11, 2007 at 10:39 AM
So Rosie>>>that whole “women’s Lib” thing is only for WHITE, AMERICAN women??
I mean, am I understanding that clearly?
So the brown women and girls being tortured, mutilated, raped, and killed in Iraq at the hands of fringe whack job fascists is OK?
Got it, Rosie.
seejanemom on September 11, 2007 at 12:32 PM
In a way, Kirsten is right, but for reasons different than she thinks.
Rosie is an ignoramus pimple.
John Cougar couldn’t find a Bible with Jack, Diane, and Elaine Erwin all helping his sorry @$$.
And as for that simple minded illiterate “rap” “artist”, well…he is a train wreck that can’t speak enough English to be understood no how.;)
But the larger problem is that IGNORANT TELEVISION ZOMBIE AMERICANS DO believe them.
That is where WE come in. Neighbors and friends must SPREAD THE WORD of the new media and all its information and WAKE UP A FRIEND to life in the REAL WORLD.
REACH ONE. TEACH ONE.
seejanemom on September 11, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Amen! infidel4life
The last couple of times Michelle has been on the O’R show she has looked a little subdued to me. Has anyone else gotten that impression? I hope she is not letting Jeraldodo
get to her with his very unprofessional conduct. O’Reilly doesn’t have the guts to denounce those ’spittin’ remarks publicly. So in my mind that makes O’Reilly as guilty as Jeraldodo.
OBX Pete on September 11, 2007 at 1:36 PM
Damn, Damn, Damn!
I can’t watch Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy anymore. Mos Def played Ford Prefect. His spewing just turned me off to one of the funniest movies I own.
The Boss was brilliant as always.
Mooseman
Mooseman on September 11, 2007 at 2:13 PM
You’ve identified a problem that’s prevalent in certain schools, but assigned a false answer. My dad was a principle at two schools in Compton/Long Beach, he ran things very strictly, he was also a Democrat, I’m sure most all the teachers at the school were Democrats as well, but this fact didn’t turn the school into a cesspool of disobedience or laziness. Are certain teachers lazy in their teachings? Yes. Are certain students disobedient in their learning? Yes, but this isn’t due to one or the others political bent.
I remember my Economics teacher in High School was a staunch Catholic and Republican. He agreed with many of the “liberal” teachers, some we wouldn’t have suspected as being liberals. His class wasn’t any more orderly than the others.
Aristotle’s calling. It sounds like you’re just not a fan of the system, not just teachers. Your idea may have worked a couple thousand years ago when every child could be assigned a personal tutor to maximize his “virtues” and “faculties,” but nowadays it’s just not realistic.
You can create a school system where students aren’t treated equally and they take certain tests to get into certain classes to maximize their faculties, but there isn’t a school district I can think of where students aren’t allowed to skip grades, take advanced classes, or take courses at junior colleges.
You guys are all talking about a school system that isn’t plausible. What you’re describing sounds exactly like the ancient Grecian scholars who tutor only the rich. When students outnumber teachers by great margins this isn’t realistic.
That isn’t the logical extension at all. Another word for it would be slippery slope. What I’m talking about is the political opinions of students and how teachers don’t mold them to fit their own. Ask anyone why the think about political issues a certain way and I can guarantee you they won’t say “my tenth grade geometry teacher.”
Nonfactor on September 11, 2007 at 2:30 PM
This is not at all a slippery slope argument. Rather, it points out the logical inconsistency of asking students to accept their teachers as knowledgeable and authoritative on the subjects we deem important to life, while also expecting them to discern what is fact and what is opinion from these same authorities.
This assumes they know the reason they believe the way they do, and fails to recognize a pattern of subtle indoctrination that is not occurring by simply one teacher, but by an entire system of teachers who share an ideology.
DrMagnolias on September 11, 2007 at 3:55 PM
There’s a difference between a student taking the knowledge learned via books and teacher and learning it and possibly hearing an opinion of a teacher and adopting it as their own. Kids in high school aren’t mindless drones; I’m always amused when I hear older people talk about fifteen year olds like easily swayed saints considering what fifteen year olds are like nowadays.
So you’re claiming that high school teachers indoctrinate their students in a way that the students are ignorant of so that when questioned about their beliefs they won’t be able to say where they got their opinions from? Seriously? Where are these teachers because in my life I’ve never seen one, and in learning from my parents they’ve never seen one either.
Nonfactor on September 11, 2007 at 8:43 PM
Geral-DOH! just apologigized to MM on O’Reilly. It’s about time. Scumbag…
PoliticallyIncorrectSandy on September 14, 2007 at 8:49 PM
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