Open thread: Petraeus mania; Update: Petraeus expects drawdown to pre-surge troop levels by next summer; Update: Iran building an Iraqi Hezbollah, says Petraeus, as moonbats screech; Update: Transcripts and slides added
posted at 12:22 pm on September 10, 2007 by Allahpundit
Starting at 12:30, it’s the mother of all anticlimaxes. We know already what he’s going to recommend — stay the course until next year, with withdrawal of one token brigade as early as December and then gradual drawdown of the remaining surge brigades next year as security circumstances allow. The GOP questioners will shower him with praise, the Democrats will make a point of thanking him for his service and leadership before calling him a liar, and then they’ll wrangle over statistics for the next few hours with occasional moments of political theater bubbling up sporadically. I’ll do my best to clip all of those for you. If you’re watching, sound off below, and if you see something worth posting, send us an e-mail at the tips address.
I wish I had time to digest the following links for you but there’s simply too much, so here you go — reading skimming material as you watch. The top news this morning is the brutal ABC poll of Iraqis, which they conveniently held until this morning for added drama. The BBC’s version is easier to read but it’s worth scrolling through the first few pages at least of the ABC data. Bush’s ultimate way out here may be to ask Maliki to hold a popular referendum on the U.S. troop presence in Iraq; if, as expected, the people vote to send us home, he gets to withdraw with at least some superficial realization of his goal of Arab democracy. If they want their fight without a referee, so be it.
The ABC poll isn’t the only new one out today. Gallup has data too showing slight but steady upward shifts in perception over the last few months (after three months of downward shifts) that the surge is making things better but also increasing support for setting a timetable, which, ironically, the Democrats seem to have backed down on. 61% say they’re no more confident now than they were before the surge that we’re going to accomplish our goals. It’s worth flagging these numbers now because we’re bound to get another round of polls next week that’ll tell us how persuasive Petraeus is. Prediction: a slight bounce in war support but not much.
McClatchy has a different set of numbers measuring not popular opinion but security progress in Iraq. There is some improvement but it seems to be marginal everywhere except Anbar, which is expected to be the centerpiece of Petraeus’s presentation. The LA Times has a story out now about the possibility of using Anbar as a model for the rest of the country. Officers there think it’s a unique situation, particularly in its sectarian homogeneity vis-a-vis Baghdad and Diyala, but it’s being applied in other areas to greater and lesser extents. A sergeant stationed in the Dora neighborhood of Baghdad sums it up for the Wash Times: “If [the insurgents] really, really wanted it really bad, they could take it back in a day. They could occupy it within hours, but it would take weeks to regain some of the terrain we have denied them.”
Finally, a word of recognition for the liberals who spoke up for Petraeus today in the face of MoveOn’s disgusting, predictably juvenile “Petraeus/Betray Us” knock: Joe Lieberman, who wants the Democrats to denounce it and who co-authored an op-ed today with McCain urging Americans to give Petraeus a fair shake, and Michael O’Hanlon, who, after being savaged by the left for his own op-ed in the Times a few months ago reporting progress from the surge, sticks a finger in their eye today in NRO.
And meanwhile, in Iraq, the maneuvering of the various players continues. Stand by for updates.
Update: Mission accomplished, ABC — Skelton mentions the poll of Iraqis in his opening remarks after a laundry list of the missing WMDs, Bush’s speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln. He’s making the case now of how the mission has essentially failed but being careful to say if only we had Petraeus in charge three years ago we might not be where we are. Now he’s unloading on the Iraqis.
Update: Lantos calls the war a “fiasco” and tells Petraeus that no one can believe anything he says, not because of Petraeus’s credibility but because of Bush’s. “Strategically the escalation has failed,” he says, and of any progress to be reported he declares, “I don’t buy it.” Why attend the hearing then, Lantos? Now, five minutes later, he says the gradual drawdown plan is “nowhere near enough” and that Iraqis need to know the “free ride is over.”
Update: Duncan Hunter’s ripping on the Petraeus critics and mentions Lantos by name for impugning his testimony as the product of political operatives. He does a good job responding to Lantos’s point that Anbar is only 5% of the population, noting that it used to comprise 50% of the attacks. Now he’s analogizing the left’s opposition to the Iraq war with their opposition to the cold war. Heh. Hunter asks Skelton to stipulate that Petraeus’s and Crocker’s integrity should be stipulated to by the panel — and Skelton complies.
Update: Reid heads for the lifeboats:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid expressed frustration Monday with a new print ad attacking Gen. David Petraeus that is being paid for by a liberal advocacy organization on the same day the general is providing testimony before Congress on the situation in Iraq.
When asked early this morning if this was the right message for his party to send, the Nevada Democrat curtly answered “No.”
In a separate conversation, a senior Democratic leadership aide called the ad an “unnecessary distraction” and said Democrats are prepared to focus on “Petraeus executing a mismanaged mission.”
Update: Ros-Lehtinen is mentioning the MoveOn ad, too. What a PR stain for the Democrats. Or is it? She mentions this passage in Politico from Friday. Good cop/bad cop:
[Anti-war] groups have no problem going after Petraeus, as evidenced by heavy criticism of him by Americans Against Escalation in Iraq (“It is clear that Americans cannot trust any assessments that come out of this White House, or Gen. Petraeus when it comes to the war in Iraq”) and the Center for American Progress, among others. But it is a tactic that Democratic lawmakers themselves want to avoid.
“No one wants to call [Petraeus] a liar on national TV,” noted one Democratic senator, who spoke on the condition on anonymity. “The expectation is that the outside groups will do this for us.”
She’s going on and on about jihad. Let’s get on with it.
Update: Petraeus was about to speak — and had a dead mike. Momentary pause.
Update: He’s back and says the surge is working, but not before emphasizing that he wrote his testimony himself, that it wasn’t vetted by anyone, etc. He mentions Anbar as the signature theater of progress and sees the trend spreading, and says now that he thinks will be able to draw down to pre-surge levels by next summer. We can achieve our objectives, he says, but it’ll be neither quick nor easy.
Update: He’s running through charts showing the drop in casualties, which is excellent but only gets us back to the levels as of March 2006 as far as I can tell. Still, it’s reassuring watching someone as obviously competent as Petraeus talking about progress in Iraq. Not a common occurrence the past four years with Bush as the front man.
Update: Petraeus cites the capture of Hezbollah bombmaker Ali Mussa Daqduq as evidence that Iran is trying to build a parallel organization in Iraq to challenge the seat. That ignites the first protest in the back of the room, which is indecipherable but doubtless has to do with neocons gunning for war with Tehran. The Independent wrote the seminal article about Sadrist/Hezbollah collusion last month. Read it now if you missed it before. Money quote:
Speaking in Tufa in Iraq, Muqtada al-Sadr, the head of the Mehdi Army, admitted to “formal links” with Hizbollah.
“We have formal links with Hizbollah, we do exchange ideas and discuss the situation facing Shiites in both countries,” he said. “It is natural that we would want to improve ourselves by learning from each other. We copy Hizbollah in the way they fight and their tactics, we teach each other and we are getting better through this.”
Mr Sadr said members of the Mehdi Army had travelled to Lebanon, and would continue to do so.
Update: He says it would be “premature” to talk about post-surge withdrawal recommendations given the fluidity of events on the ground. In particular, he’s emphasizing the extent of Iranian involvement in Iraq. That’s a surprise given the emphasis Bush has been placing on AQ’s presence as the casus belli.
Update: Petraeus’s testimony ends — and Code Pink starts screaming “no one believes you anymore!” They’re dragging them out of the room now. Medea Benjamin’s still there in the row behind; she’ll eventually stand up and get thrown out too. — And there she goes, screaming just as Crocker was about to speak.
Update: Crocker mentions Iran too as the cause of so much trouble in Iraq but I think the very opening of his remarks, about Iraqis being “traumatized” after decades of Saddam and now insurgency, is worth highlighting. Totten heard that from an Iraqi interpreter last month:
MJT: What is the most important thing about Iraq that the Americans don’t understand?
Hammer: Don’t just open the jail after 25 years. Let people out step by step. Iraqis need rehab. Give them instant direct freedom and they are going to go crazy. That’s what the U.S. did.
Update: The PDFs of Petraeus’s and Crocker’s statements are going around. Click to download Crocker’s testimony, Petraeus’s testimony, and the charts accompanying Petraeus’s presentation. I’m going to look for Iran references.
Update: The hearing’s over recessed. They’ll both be on Fox News tonight at 9 for an interview with Brit Hume and then before the Senate bright and early tomorrow. Stand by for the Iran excerpts from their testimony.
Update: More MoveOn fallout: Waffles tells Reid to make room for him in the lifeboat.









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let me be the first to say I don’t trust any poll by Iraqi’s. we should already suspect MSM polls on the subject, but to me trying to accurately poll a country like Iraq is next to impossible without going to all key areas of the country and asking non-leaning questions in person to your sample for each region and then get results that way. Somehow I doubt they do anything close to that.
jp on September 10, 2007 at 12:29 PM
This is the opportunity for Republicans to take charge and define the struggle for the future in this country.
The liberal cabal could be made to crumble if Republicans will just hammer home the message that we are being successful and we will continue to be if we stick together and go for it.
Speakup on September 10, 2007 at 12:29 PM
This is true, however with respects to the current GOP leadership I quote Steven Stills “And we never failed to fail, it was the easiest thing to do.”
doriangrey on September 10, 2007 at 12:32 PM
What I find disgusting is that the Democrats are preparing for this testimony as if they were preparing for battle and Petraeus is the enemy. I anticipate rudeness and disrespect for a real patriot. I hope I am wrong.
Wake up Liberals! Petraeus and Bush are not the enemy- militant Islam is!
ctmom on September 10, 2007 at 12:35 PM
I’m going out on a limb and say that Petraeus will break from the script and say something like “You know we really ought to pull out troops as quickly as possible so as to allow the civil war to blossom. Once there is a definitive winner of the civil war – I’m betting on the Shia – we won’t even have to pick up the pieces, since the power vaccuum left in our wake will be filled by Iran and Syria. It won’t be our problem. And don’t worry, there’s no chance that Al Qaeda will make a safe haven within the failed state of Iraq. I’ve been in Iraq and I’ve never even seen one Al Qaeda. I’ve been trying to say this for months, but Bush said he’d fire me if I blew the whistle, and I have a family to feed. However, my conscience will no longer allow me to participate in this charade. I must tell you truly that the only humane solution for this war is to withdraw as precipitously as possible. It’s really the only sensible thing to do, and I question the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with me.”
You heard it here first.
Enrique on September 10, 2007 at 12:36 PM
A little OT here, but I wonder what percentage of the American people even know (or care) who Gen. Petraeus is and that he is bringing a report today that will influence the future conduct of the war…
-vs.-
The percentage of the American people who know all about how Britney Spears sucked and Kid Rock and Tommy Lee got in a tussle at the MTV awards last night.
infidel4life on September 10, 2007 at 12:37 PM
I don’t trust any polls conducted by the so-called MSM.
CP on September 10, 2007 at 12:37 PM
As noted at Ace’s site recently, Petraeus was confirmed with exactly zero nay votes. If they believed that he was simply going to act as a Bush lapdog and they weren’t going to believe a word he says, why did they vote for him?
Or is that why they did vote for him? So they could paint whatever positive reports he made as the “Bush reports” and smear him without even listening to what he has to say?
Either way, their conduct is disgusting.
World B. Free on September 10, 2007 at 12:40 PM
So Skelton says Patraeus is too late, and we need 250,000 more troops? Huh?
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:42 PM
The story of Hannibal reminds me of the Democrats treatment of Patraeus.
Weebork on September 10, 2007 at 12:43 PM
That would be awesome. It’d have to be a watered down, spoken very seriously version of it though. I’m picturing the look on the Democrats faces as they shuffle through their papers and lists of questions trying to figure out what the hell just happened.
BadgerHawk on September 10, 2007 at 12:44 PM
“We Admire the Sacrifice of the Men and Women, and want you to succeed”.
Yeah, that’s why they want a retreat as soon as possible.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM
This sounds too much like Congressional hearings on Vietnam.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:49 PM
Lantos is basically laying out that he’s not going to believe anything Petreus says, regardless.
yo on September 10, 2007 at 12:49 PM
He just said “I don’t buy it”. He hasn’t even heard the testimony. Why? Because he’s afraid it’ll be good.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:50 PM
He also stated that the “escalation has been a failure” … he’s got the DNC/moveon talking points down, I’ll give him that. And he does it with a straight face – mucho credit.
yo on September 10, 2007 at 12:51 PM
“A competent democracy”? HAHAHA! Lantos wants them to have something we don’t even have.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:52 PM
Now he’s supposed to save two countries?
JiangxiDad on September 10, 2007 at 12:52 PM
the MSM is going to spin this to the dems way you can take it to the bank , i hope to god the general rips these traitors a new one . Lantos makes me freaking sick .
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 12:53 PM
Pertaeus thought bubble:
yo on September 10, 2007 at 12:53 PM
Anyone notice that the rest of the Senators look bored?
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Petraeus has to sit quietly listening to this, unable to challenge anything that is said. Guaranteed when it is his turn to speak he will be constantly interupted and challenged by these dorks.
ctmom on September 10, 2007 at 12:55 PM
Well Shitti, I missed the Gen’s opening remarks because I didn’t realize it was on C-Span 3. Damn and double damn…
Babs on September 10, 2007 at 12:55 PM
Petraeus needs to do a PR blitz
bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 12:56 PM
now thats funny .
but who is franken berry ????
nancy pelsoie???
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Newsbusters on the Iraqi poll claiming 100% of Iraqi’s in Anbar view surge as bad and failed.
jp on September 10, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Who are these American people Lantos is talking about? 54% say we can win. The Institute of Peace even says we should stay.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Like punching Lantos?
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:57 PM
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2007/09/10/according-abc-s-wright-100-percent-anbar-iraqis-oppose-troop-surge
jp on September 10, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Hunter’s opening remarks before Petraeus hearing
bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Face it, LIBERALS ARE LIARS
The “truth” to a liberal mind is what IT wants to believe, not what reality is.
NRA4Freedom on September 10, 2007 at 12:57 PM
way to go Mr Hunter call the dems out for what they are .
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Go Duncan!
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Duncan’s going after moveon … nice.
yo on September 10, 2007 at 12:58 PM
First anti-war protestor thrown out
We just had our first protestor thrown out of the House Armed Services/Foreign Affairs committee hearings on Iraq.
A woman from the Code Pink delegation – there are at least a dozen – started yelling, “War criminals, war criminals!” when Petraeus and Crocker appeared. The U.S.Capitol Police quickly threw her out, and Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.), who is chairman the hearing, warned that no further outbursts would be tolerated.
bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 12:59 PM
He recalls the unanimous approval.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:00 PM
Anbar is 5% of the population, but 50% of the American casualties.
Excellent point.
yo on September 10, 2007 at 1:00 PM
Interesting that ABC didn’t pimp the numbers back when their poll showed that only 39% of Iraqis thought the war was a bad idea.
DaveS on September 10, 2007 at 1:03 PM
Duncan Hunter is delivering the goods. Man, this guy is good.
Vincenzo on September 10, 2007 at 1:03 PM
If the GOP wants to make strong gains in 2008, they need to latch on to MoveOn.Org’s declaration of “General Betray Us” and force the Democrats to alienate the money roots or those who back the military.
Most Americans can’t stand people who crap on the military, especially someone who’s doing a good job militarily. They need to run ads featuring MoveOn’s ad and explain they’re in support of victory in Iraq. They need to rally the population, and Petreus’ leadership has provided results in Iraq.
Americans hate to lose. The GOP needs to show the Democrats are firmly entrenched in the idea of defeat.
Nethicus on September 10, 2007 at 1:03 PM
100% disapproval from Anbar? Who did they poll, the militias?
flutejpl on September 10, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Bada bing.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:04 PM
So Skelton says he has nothing but admiration for Patraeus and knows he’s honorable. Yet he pre-emptivly calls him a liar.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:06 PM
Unless you’re on the Left. A loss would make us look more like the French. Afterall, isn’t that their ultimate goal?
yo on September 10, 2007 at 1:06 PM
YES
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 1:07 PM
I take back all my arguements about leaving Iraq.
I think every soldier over there after watching this should stick their finger up at Congress and DARE them to cut off funds.
Id love it if the General would just say “How about letting us win the war while you hide safely here democrats ?”
William Amos on September 10, 2007 at 1:07 PM
Rob-Lehtinen is going after the Dems pretty tough.
yo on September 10, 2007 at 1:09 PM
Forget Al Qaida. If we want to save humanity we need to defeat the bigger enemy first. The lethally stupid Liberals and the demoncrats who empower those that would kill us all..
Guardian on September 10, 2007 at 1:10 PM
how many on the left will denounce the move on add???
what should the over under be ???
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 1:10 PM
Ha! She just called on Dems to denounce Moveon.org’s ad calling him a traitor.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:11 PM
0.
Now, how many on the left will denounce Ron-Lihtinen for comparing the left to Neville Chamberlain?
yo on September 10, 2007 at 1:12 PM
My guess? The next one who talks.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:12 PM
The “Betray us” ad is a coordinated smear that is clearly worked out between the dem leadership and moveon.org. When does the MSM stand up and denounce the blatant political theater that the dems engage in?
Yeah, I know. NEVER.
csdeven on September 10, 2007 at 1:13 PM
I wonder how she walks around all day with those massive testicles of her’s.
yo on September 10, 2007 at 1:14 PM
I would pay everything I have to see Ronald Reagan up there talking write now.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:16 PM
dose
tom lantoscount chocula look bored already ???Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Figures. The Dems cut his mike.
Guardian on September 10, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Someone forgot to flip the “on” switch for the General.
I smell conspiracy /s
yo on September 10, 2007 at 1:16 PM
damn liberals … they turned Gen Petraus’s mike off.
mfnorman on September 10, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Can you believe this? None of the mikes work! Wow!!!
Babs on September 10, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Who was that lady, who should run for President?
abinitioadinfinitum on September 10, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Oh, the symbolism….
World B. Free on September 10, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Lousy democrats, why is is that everyone else’s mic works, but not General Patreus’? It’s a vast left wing conspiracy!
JustTruth101 on September 10, 2007 at 1:17 PM
I always say that’s what’s wrong with this war. It’s being fought valiantly and properly on the battlefield, yet it’s being hampered by the governmental obsession with media approval and poll results. I wonder what would have happened if WWII was fought based solely on poll results. Guessing lots of people would be speaking German right now.
mjk on September 10, 2007 at 1:17 PM
It might difficult for the next one TO speak .. considering R-L just shoved their hats in their mouths.
yo on September 10, 2007 at 1:18 PM
what a joke..
j0 on September 10, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Another Moveon.org protester?
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:18 PM
why should i trust the dems to run the country when there not even competent enough to operate a sound system?
mfnorman on September 10, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Allah, you’re going overboard on fatalism again — according to this poll, a referendum would find Iraqis want us to stay, not leave:
“The number of people wanting coalition forces to leave immediately rose since February’s poll but more than half – 53% – still said they should stay until security improved.”
Also, Sunnis are going to answer almost anything about American negatively. And they’re less than 15% of the population by most current estimates.
TallDave on September 10, 2007 at 1:19 PM
Up until now, I have looked at the liberals and democrats as retarded cousins. No more. These people truly ARE the enemy within.
Guardian on September 10, 2007 at 1:19 PM
The dems were too concerned with the social class struggle between the mic vs. the on switch, such nuance.
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 1:19 PM
I’m reminded of the scene in Forrest Gump where the officer was pulling all of the wires out of the control panel….lol.
Scorched_Earth on September 10, 2007 at 1:19 PM
How ironic. This Congress criticizes the Iraqi government for only accomplishing 7 goals. This Congress can’t even find fellow Congressmen or gets mics to work.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:20 PM
dude your mike is on!!!
kiakjones on September 10, 2007 at 1:20 PM
“I don’t need to be lectured…” I can’t believe the way these people speak to each other. Like schoolgirls.
ctmom on September 10, 2007 at 1:20 PM
What a freakin’ circus.
World B. Free on September 10, 2007 at 1:20 PM
what a bunch of misfits!
ctmom on September 10, 2007 at 1:21 PM
What did he just say to R-L?
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Yeah, I just heard a senator cuss…hehe.
terryannonline on September 10, 2007 at 1:22 PM
A cynic might say that the microphone problem is Dem sabotage…
Jezla on September 10, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Seriously. In all fairness, the Iraqi government has accomplished way more that the dem congress has.
Guardian on September 10, 2007 at 1:22 PM
This is just so amazingly embarrasing! 5 minute break for the mikes!!!
Babs on September 10, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Someone get Patraeus a megaphone.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Any chance the protestors getting kicked out slip and fall a few times on the way out???
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Of course it would be the most important mic in the house…
Numenorean on September 10, 2007 at 1:23 PM
It’ll take 5 minutes to fix the mic.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Lantos and the Dems have blundered badly.
They should have listened first and then said, “we’re not buying it”. That might have worked better than saying, before the report is released, before the testimony, that “We’re not going to believe anything you say”.
rockhauler on September 10, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Petraeus must be thinking “and these clowns are going to question how I’m doing my job?”
ctmom on September 10, 2007 at 1:24 PM
Well yeah Rock. I found the opening statements on both sides to be a bit “canned”.
Babs on September 10, 2007 at 1:24 PM
Lantos shows that the Democrat Party is the party of deceit and treason. Can we please start talking with full candor about how today’s Democrats and their allies in the mainstream media must be humiliated and run from the public stage?
Phil Byler on September 10, 2007 at 1:26 PM
there fixed it for ya
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 1:26 PM
As soon as Congress can get the mics to work, they’ll be able to get back to criticizing the Iraqi government for only accomplishing 7 things while dodging mortar rounds.
amerpundit on September 10, 2007 at 1:28 PM
quick question did the dems hire illegals to set up the sound system just to save a few bucks to steal later ?
Mojack420 on September 10, 2007 at 1:28 PM
He just gave his disclaimer that he wrote it himself and that no one has read it or approved it. should be interesting.
pullingmyhairout on September 10, 2007 at 1:30 PM
“This is my testimony.”
World B. Free on September 10, 2007 at 1:30 PM
Did they let Midge Potts in there again?
Brat on September 10, 2007 at 1:30 PM
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