Open thread: Petraeus mania; Update: Petraeus expects drawdown to pre-surge troop levels by next summer; Update: Iran building an Iraqi Hezbollah, says Petraeus, as moonbats screech; Update: Transcripts and slides added

posted at 12:22 pm on September 10, 2007 by Allahpundit

Starting at 12:30, it’s the mother of all anticlimaxes. We know already what he’s going to recommend — stay the course until next year, with withdrawal of one token brigade as early as December and then gradual drawdown of the remaining surge brigades next year as security circumstances allow. The GOP questioners will shower him with praise, the Democrats will make a point of thanking him for his service and leadership before calling him a liar, and then they’ll wrangle over statistics for the next few hours with occasional moments of political theater bubbling up sporadically. I’ll do my best to clip all of those for you. If you’re watching, sound off below, and if you see something worth posting, send us an e-mail at the tips address.

I wish I had time to digest the following links for you but there’s simply too much, so here you go — reading skimming material as you watch. The top news this morning is the brutal ABC poll of Iraqis, which they conveniently held until this morning for added drama. The BBC’s version is easier to read but it’s worth scrolling through the first few pages at least of the ABC data. Bush’s ultimate way out here may be to ask Maliki to hold a popular referendum on the U.S. troop presence in Iraq; if, as expected, the people vote to send us home, he gets to withdraw with at least some superficial realization of his goal of Arab democracy. If they want their fight without a referee, so be it.

The ABC poll isn’t the only new one out today. Gallup has data too showing slight but steady upward shifts in perception over the last few months (after three months of downward shifts) that the surge is making things better but also increasing support for setting a timetable, which, ironically, the Democrats seem to have backed down on. 61% say they’re no more confident now than they were before the surge that we’re going to accomplish our goals. It’s worth flagging these numbers now because we’re bound to get another round of polls next week that’ll tell us how persuasive Petraeus is. Prediction: a slight bounce in war support but not much.

McClatchy has a different set of numbers measuring not popular opinion but security progress in Iraq. There is some improvement but it seems to be marginal everywhere except Anbar, which is expected to be the centerpiece of Petraeus’s presentation. The LA Times has a story out now about the possibility of using Anbar as a model for the rest of the country. Officers there think it’s a unique situation, particularly in its sectarian homogeneity vis-a-vis Baghdad and Diyala, but it’s being applied in other areas to greater and lesser extents. A sergeant stationed in the Dora neighborhood of Baghdad sums it up for the Wash Times: “If [the insurgents] really, really wanted it really bad, they could take it back in a day. They could occupy it within hours, but it would take weeks to regain some of the terrain we have denied them.”

Finally, a word of recognition for the liberals who spoke up for Petraeus today in the face of MoveOn’s disgusting, predictably juvenile “Petraeus/Betray Us” knock: Joe Lieberman, who wants the Democrats to denounce it and who co-authored an op-ed today with McCain urging Americans to give Petraeus a fair shake, and Michael O’Hanlon, who, after being savaged by the left for his own op-ed in the Times a few months ago reporting progress from the surge, sticks a finger in their eye today in NRO.

And meanwhile, in Iraq, the maneuvering of the various players continues. Stand by for updates.

Update: Mission accomplished, ABC — Skelton mentions the poll of Iraqis in his opening remarks after a laundry list of the missing WMDs, Bush’s speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln. He’s making the case now of how the mission has essentially failed but being careful to say if only we had Petraeus in charge three years ago we might not be where we are. Now he’s unloading on the Iraqis.

Update: Lantos calls the war a “fiasco” and tells Petraeus that no one can believe anything he says, not because of Petraeus’s credibility but because of Bush’s. “Strategically the escalation has failed,” he says, and of any progress to be reported he declares, “I don’t buy it.” Why attend the hearing then, Lantos? Now, five minutes later, he says the gradual drawdown plan is “nowhere near enough” and that Iraqis need to know the “free ride is over.”

Update: Duncan Hunter’s ripping on the Petraeus critics and mentions Lantos by name for impugning his testimony as the product of political operatives. He does a good job responding to Lantos’s point that Anbar is only 5% of the population, noting that it used to comprise 50% of the attacks. Now he’s analogizing the left’s opposition to the Iraq war with their opposition to the cold war. Heh. Hunter asks Skelton to stipulate that Petraeus’s and Crocker’s integrity should be stipulated to by the panel — and Skelton complies.

Update: Reid heads for the lifeboats:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid expressed frustration Monday with a new print ad attacking Gen. David Petraeus that is being paid for by a liberal advocacy organization on the same day the general is providing testimony before Congress on the situation in Iraq.

When asked early this morning if this was the right message for his party to send, the Nevada Democrat curtly answered “No.”

In a separate conversation, a senior Democratic leadership aide called the ad an “unnecessary distraction” and said Democrats are prepared to focus on “Petraeus executing a mismanaged mission.”

Update: Ros-Lehtinen is mentioning the MoveOn ad, too. What a PR stain for the Democrats. Or is it? She mentions this passage in Politico from Friday. Good cop/bad cop:

[Anti-war] groups have no problem going after Petraeus, as evidenced by heavy criticism of him by Americans Against Escalation in Iraq (“It is clear that Americans cannot trust any assessments that come out of this White House, or Gen. Petraeus when it comes to the war in Iraq”) and the Center for American Progress, among others. But it is a tactic that Democratic lawmakers themselves want to avoid.

“No one wants to call [Petraeus] a liar on national TV,” noted one Democratic senator, who spoke on the condition on anonymity. “The expectation is that the outside groups will do this for us.”

She’s going on and on about jihad. Let’s get on with it.

Update: Petraeus was about to speak — and had a dead mike. Momentary pause.

Update: He’s back and says the surge is working, but not before emphasizing that he wrote his testimony himself, that it wasn’t vetted by anyone, etc. He mentions Anbar as the signature theater of progress and sees the trend spreading, and says now that he thinks will be able to draw down to pre-surge levels by next summer. We can achieve our objectives, he says, but it’ll be neither quick nor easy.

Update: He’s running through charts showing the drop in casualties, which is excellent but only gets us back to the levels as of March 2006 as far as I can tell. Still, it’s reassuring watching someone as obviously competent as Petraeus talking about progress in Iraq. Not a common occurrence the past four years with Bush as the front man.

Update: Petraeus cites the capture of Hezbollah bombmaker Ali Mussa Daqduq as evidence that Iran is trying to build a parallel organization in Iraq to challenge the seat. That ignites the first protest in the back of the room, which is indecipherable but doubtless has to do with neocons gunning for war with Tehran. The Independent wrote the seminal article about Sadrist/Hezbollah collusion last month. Read it now if you missed it before. Money quote:

Speaking in Tufa in Iraq, Muqtada al-Sadr, the head of the Mehdi Army, admitted to “formal links” with Hizbollah.

“We have formal links with Hizbollah, we do exchange ideas and discuss the situation facing Shiites in both countries,” he said. “It is natural that we would want to improve ourselves by learning from each other. We copy Hizbollah in the way they fight and their tactics, we teach each other and we are getting better through this.”

Mr Sadr said members of the Mehdi Army had travelled to Lebanon, and would continue to do so.

Update: He says it would be “premature” to talk about post-surge withdrawal recommendations given the fluidity of events on the ground. In particular, he’s emphasizing the extent of Iranian involvement in Iraq. That’s a surprise given the emphasis Bush has been placing on AQ’s presence as the casus belli.

Update: Petraeus’s testimony ends — and Code Pink starts screaming “no one believes you anymore!” They’re dragging them out of the room now. Medea Benjamin’s still there in the row behind; she’ll eventually stand up and get thrown out too. — And there she goes, screaming just as Crocker was about to speak.

Update: Crocker mentions Iran too as the cause of so much trouble in Iraq but I think the very opening of his remarks, about Iraqis being “traumatized” after decades of Saddam and now insurgency, is worth highlighting. Totten heard that from an Iraqi interpreter last month:

MJT: What is the most important thing about Iraq that the Americans don’t understand?

Hammer: Don’t just open the jail after 25 years. Let people out step by step. Iraqis need rehab. Give them instant direct freedom and they are going to go crazy. That’s what the U.S. did.

Update: The PDFs of Petraeus’s and Crocker’s statements are going around. Click to download Crocker’s testimony, Petraeus’s testimony, and the charts accompanying Petraeus’s presentation. I’m going to look for Iran references.

Update: The hearing’s over recessed. They’ll both be on Fox News tonight at 9 for an interview with Brit Hume and then before the Senate bright and early tomorrow. Stand by for the Iran excerpts from their testimony.

Update: More MoveOn fallout: Waffles tells Reid to make room for him in the lifeboat.


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“Now can we question their patriotism?”

Nope.

“Questioning their patriotism” implies that there is an opinion or a debate as to whether or not these people are patriotic.

There is NO question here. They *are* unpatriotic. Period!

georgej on September 10, 2007 at 2:28 PM

Is he talking about the same Syria that Kucinich was in, last week?

yo on September 10, 2007 at 2:27 PM

No need to question his patriotism. The evidence is in and there is no longer any question.

Ordinary1 on September 10, 2007 at 2:29 PM

Even if the “Iraqis” voted to ask the coalition troops to leave tomorrow, we would still have to maintain control over their oil fields and their borders with Iran and Syria.

To both keep the petro-wealth from falling into terrorist hands and to preserve the relative security -against foreign jihadist intervention- of this new “state” that we sacrificed our blood and treasure to create from Saddam’s bloody dictatorship.

There is no simple “leaving it up to the Iraqis”.

profitsbeard on September 10, 2007 at 2:30 PM

“Our current course is hard. The alternatives are far worse.”

Yep.

Ordinary1 on September 10, 2007 at 2:31 PM

There is NO question here. They *are* unpatriotic. Period!

georgej on September 10, 2007 at 2:28 PM

At least to the US…

They all seem to love Cuba, Syria, Iran, and Venezuela so much.

jdawg on September 10, 2007 at 2:31 PM

CROCKER TESTIMONY (PDF)

SLIDES [PDF]

bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Up until now, I have looked at the liberals and democrats as retarded cousins. No more. These people truly ARE the enemy within.

Guardian on September 10, 2007 at 1:19 PM

Yes, they (the hard LEFT)truly want America to fail and to fall. All Americans need to wake to this fact.

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitions. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among these within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politics so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to be feared. —- Cicero (106 B.C. – 43 B.C.

Maxx on September 10, 2007 at 2:38 PM

responsible media has suggested???

HAHAHAHAH

fogw on September 10, 2007 at 2:43 PM

I am a patriot. I LOVE my country.

EVERY TIME I go for a cruise in my car, I marvel at the society all around me. Then there is the incredible natural beauty. History reminds me of the struggles we have won. Struggles in our hearts, and to honor our souls.

It is common for me to see white kids and black kids walking together to a movie, or the library. I get choked up whenever I pass a firehouse with a massive American flag. When I see cops and firemen, I feel proud to be human.

I can not imagine what is in the minds of these people, other than HATRED. In my experience, people with such hatred can be counted on to be vile racist.

So I reject them, their view of America, our history, and condemn their narcissism, and racism.

Agrippa2k on September 10, 2007 at 2:43 PM

Today’s oxymoron:
Responsible media

Tennessee Dave on September 10, 2007 at 2:43 PM

Then it’s not a country. If we only have enough troops to defend part of it, then let’s call that part Iraq and defend it. The whole idea of a border is that it is easier to defend the perimeter than the whole interior.

pedestrian on September 10, 2007 at 2:23 PM

No, it isn’t, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Christoph on September 10, 2007 at 2:44 PM

The U.S. could prevent neither Canada nor Mexico from invading it and several times if we wished.

No way in hell you could stop either of our countries.

But, you sure can by a threat of a massive retaliation, incredible air power, and the invasion of our countries.

Defend the borders “as a perimeter”? Nuts.

They’re a bit big, don’t you think?

Christoph on September 10, 2007 at 2:45 PM

This whole business makes you wonder exactly what Iran would have to do to get lefties to dislike them. Even if Iran dropped a nuke on Dallas, and then went on TV and said “Yeah that was us. We, the Iranians, dropped a nuke on Dallas” – even THEN I can’t imagine the left saying a bad word about them. They’d just devolve into “chickens come home to roost blah blah blah” tripe.

If I were Iran, I’d go full speed ahead with my nuke development, knowing that no one will try to stop me. Oh wait…

Enrique on September 10, 2007 at 2:45 PM

Lantos is suggesting a “diplomatic surge” with our enemies! This answer on negotiations with Iran should be good.

Ordinary1 on September 10, 2007 at 2:47 PM

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitions. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among these within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politics so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to be feared. —- Cicero (106 B.C. – 43 B.C

What is the ACLU’s mission statement doing on this thread?

Seriously, I love patreus…he’s like Justice Roberts…informed, confidant, commanding, unruffle-able.

But the moonbats don’t deal in facts because facts destroy their arguments.

JustTruth101 on September 10, 2007 at 2:47 PM

Mentos (Lantos) – talks with Syira and Iran?
Are you serious?

Kini on September 10, 2007 at 2:47 PM

I just turned this on. Why is Gary Oldman up there wearing his costume from Bram Stroker’s Dracula movie?

http://images.greencine.com/images/article/vampires-oldman.jpg

Vincenzo on September 10, 2007 at 2:48 PM

Iranians interested in the appearance of being at the table with U.S…

Ordinary1 on September 10, 2007 at 2:48 PM

And to station troops around a countries’ perimeter as a point defense would be a retarded strategy. You’d divide them (you wouldn’t have enough anyway) and a good — or incredibly incompetent, but still better than you — general would mop them up and seize your power centers.

Christoph on September 10, 2007 at 2:49 PM

I can not imagine what is in the minds of these people

Agrippa2k on September 10, 2007 at 2:43 PM

This statement is almost always followed by an outrageous assumption about the inner workings of other people’s minds. Which could only be topped if you called them racists after said assumption… Oh, you did.

Nonfactor on September 10, 2007 at 2:49 PM

Heck, he’d just let them stand there and he’d bypass them and win the war.

Christoph on September 10, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Lantos just made the case for us to stay! If we leave and Iraq’s leaders turn to Iran, it’s over.

Ordinary1 on September 10, 2007 at 2:50 PM

BAGHDAD — Hours before congressional hearings on the progress of the U.S. military buildup in Iraq, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki gave his own report today to his country’s parliament, saying security has improved dramatically in the capital and Iraq is moving away from civil war.

Sectarian violence between Shiite and Sunni Muslims, as well as among rival Shiite groups, has claimed thousands of lives and stalled political progress. But Maliki suggested it was too early to withdraw U.S. troops, which have grown by 28,500 to more than 160,000 since February.

“Despite improved security, we still realize we need more time and effort so our security forces can handle security from multinational forces,” he said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq11sep11,0,4757978.story?coll=la-home-center

bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 2:53 PM

Lantos:

“Can we trust the current leadership in Iraq, since they spent so much time in Iran?”

Wasn’t the governor of Lantos’ home state born and raised in the communist block of Eastern Europe?

fogw on September 10, 2007 at 2:53 PM

fogw,

Lantos was and was a prisoner in a German concentration camp.

bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 2:54 PM

It’s so absurd how libs like Lantos continue to complain that we’re not talking to enemies like Iran after both the General and the Ambassador state the active participation of Iran in the conflict against us. Even more confounding about such a viewpoint visa vie Iran is that of all advocates of such a position, Lantos is himself a Jew. Such liberal arguments attempt to separate the military wings and political wings of Iran just as they do with Hezbollah and HAMAS. Newsflash: It’s all the same wing! They are the enemy! They want us dead! What’s to talk about?

CP on September 10, 2007 at 2:55 PM

Wasn’t the governor of Lantos’ home state born and raised in the communist block of Eastern Europe?

No.

Christoph on September 10, 2007 at 2:55 PM

“Can we trust the current leadership in Iraq, since they spent so much time in Iran?”

Can we trust Pelosi and the Peace Midget, since they spend so much time in Syria?

yo on September 10, 2007 at 2:59 PM

Take it easy

Smack-down, Congressional-style.

yo on September 10, 2007 at 3:01 PM

>I’d like to thank the chairman
*Chairman disagrees with her*
>Take it easy *sad face*

Now I just want to see how many people agree with her.

Nonfactor on September 10, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Is regime change in Iran a part of the long term plan? To do that we would have to have them completely surrounded.

Hmm… Troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey. But how would we stop Russian support? Need troops in Georgia (northern Iran border). Check. Need influence in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabi, Oman, UAE, Bahrain, Quatar. Check Mate.

Two models have been tried. Afghanistan – kinetic support of opposition. Iraq – direct action, engagement.

Iran will be something new (or old) – support of a coup.

What is missing is moving Al-Queda to another theater, perhaps luring them to Africa. Sudan fits the bill.

Agrippa2k on September 10, 2007 at 3:07 PM

Wow….five minutes is a longggggggggggggg time in DC.

Limerick on September 10, 2007 at 3:23 PM

oh man the guy on fox saying Patraeus is a liar..Dems are a freakin joke.

j0 on September 10, 2007 at 3:27 PM

They just got 2 more!

RobertCSampson on September 10, 2007 at 3:41 PM

They are staging these demonstrations so they can interrupt every hour.

bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 3:41 PM

bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Or, is it every time some Republican holds up the Moveon ad?

yo on September 10, 2007 at 3:47 PM

To do that we would have to have them completely surrounded.

Why? Since when is “surrounding” a country the key to toppling it?

Must be news to the Swiss who Germany wanted to conquer, but Hitler couldn’t spare the divisions.

Christoph on September 10, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Victory Caucus

bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 3:53 PM

Did Ackerman just say that the reason we went to Iraq was to quell the sectarian violence?

yo on September 10, 2007 at 3:57 PM

Ackerman is not only a fool, he is a dangerous fool…he is the sub committee chair on the middle east? God help us.

JustTruth101 on September 10, 2007 at 3:59 PM

And I used to live in NY…there must be something bad in the water that he gets re-elected repeatedly…how can he chair a subcommittee and not know ANYTHING other than what he reads on far left web sites? Not only is he a fool, he’s rude, too, he doesn’t know not to interrupt…

JustTruth101 on September 10, 2007 at 4:01 PM

Why is Pelosi not a part of this? Is she just not a committee member, or is there another reason? Just curious…

JustTruth101 on September 10, 2007 at 4:05 PM

Pelosi is not a committee member and if she were there she would overshadow the committee chair.

bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 4:06 PM

“Iraqi congress more effective than our own…” OH SNAP

Sir Loin on September 10, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Payne: “I’m just confused”

Sounds like that is his normal state of mind. How do morons like him even get elected? (don’t answer – rhetorical question)

infidel4life on September 10, 2007 at 4:55 PM

To put it succinctly: Democrats hate America and this proves it. They are trying their best to destroy and undermine this country at every turn. Thank God I’m not one anymore. Thanks to people like you all here for helping me see the light. It’s stunts like this that have turned me completely off forever.

foxforce91 on September 10, 2007 at 5:45 PM

Are you listening to Wexler?????

What a pile.

Limerick on September 10, 2007 at 5:58 PM

Wow, Wexler is a douche. They had him up on Gibby’s show ranting.

Bad Candy on September 10, 2007 at 5:59 PM

Wow, Wexler is bonafide human garbage. Apparently his constituents believe loudness makes up for disingenuity.

Blacklake on September 10, 2007 at 5:59 PM

….General Petraeus then surrounded the Capitol with troops and arrested the traitors in Congress.

I can dream, can’t I?

I’m so damned disgusted with these pompous, treasonous bastards I can barely think or see straight. The dems don’t want to listen or hear from someone whose goal is success. Questioning his integrity? I wish he could tell them to ‘drop dead and go to hell.’

doingwhatican on September 10, 2007 at 6:09 PM

To put it succinctly: Democrats hate America and this proves it. They are trying their best to destroy and undermine this country at every turn. Thank God I’m not one anymore. Thanks to people like you all here for helping me see the light. It’s stunts like this that have turned me completely off forever.

foxforce91 on September 10, 2007 at 5:45 PM

Thanks for letting us know you were once a Democrat. I don’t know of many people that have switched from Democrat to Republican, I was beginning to believe it almost never happened. But I take heart whenever I hear of it happening. And your in good company, Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat as mind boggling as that is.

Maxx on September 10, 2007 at 6:26 PM

Wish he could directly challenge them to prove their allegations with evidence (and not heresay) or resign their position.

Remember that in order for the Democrats to ‘win’, America has to lose the WOT and lose big. The more dead American bodies the better for the DemocRATs.

That is why the Democrats are so gung-ho for surrendering – so they can pull a defeat from the jaws of victory.

CrazyFool on September 10, 2007 at 6:33 PM

Newsbusters on the Iraqi poll claiming 100% of Iraqi’s in Anbar view surge as bad and failed.

jp on September 10, 2007 at 12:56 PM

Is that a bad joke? Where’s your link? You couldn’t get 100% of the Iraqi’s in Anbar to agree the sun comes up in the morning.

Maxx on September 10, 2007 at 6:35 PM

I’d love to see Jackie Mason unload on Code Pink. That would be quite entertaining.

Dave Shay on September 10, 2007 at 6:39 PM

I hope the General is still in charge when I get there…

major john on September 10, 2007 at 6:44 PM

Major,

He hasn’t said when he was going to leave Iraq or if he has any plans to.

Not sure if he gets any R&R, I don’t think today would count as that ;-)

bnelson44 on September 10, 2007 at 6:48 PM

It was like watching Sgt York being questioned by Chicken Little.

Limerick on September 10, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Since we are callying people traitors, can we start calling them traitors?

Tim Burton on September 10, 2007 at 7:17 PM

OT Big goings on the Hillary express She upped her admitted donation from Hsu from 23K to 850K. Hsu is under more federal investigations too.

sonnyspats1 on September 10, 2007 at 8:08 PM

Hammer: Don’t just open the jail after 25 years. Let people out step by step. Iraqis need rehab. Give them instant direct freedom and they are going to go crazy. That’s what the U.S. did.

We should have listened to Machiavelli. He counseled that you destroy the ruling class and then rule with an iron fist. After awhile you ease the reigns on the working class until they see that you are not going to upset their lives anymore and they realize that things will be better than under the former rulers.

Troy Rasmussen on September 10, 2007 at 9:51 PM

Update: More MoveOn fallout: Waffles tells Reid to make room for him in the lifeboat.

Didn’t the Traitor Kerry have three Purple Hearts? If so, CNN must think he threw the third one over a fence since they mention he has only two.

As for the MoveOn crowd, Lurch should understand he led by example with his attacks on soldiers many years ago. He should also realize his party encouraged just this type of attack by the nutballs by his party’s pre-emptive attacks on Petreaus’ testimony starting several days ago.

91Veteran on September 11, 2007 at 1:04 AM

What constantly annoys me about Congress and the Senate is how they go on and on about the Iraqi government is dysfunctional, fails it’s people, does not provide security adequately, etc etc etc..
Yet our government has been at it for over 200 years and still can’t get it right either.

Guardian on September 11, 2007 at 8:39 AM

As far as the polling goes (and pardon me if I’m thinking a little ahead of the average Iraqi), if I were on the streets of any city in Iraq and someone asked me if my area were safer and I knew that one of my answers may lead to the inevitable withdrawl of American troops…I believe I’d make it sound as disastrous as possible.

serpentineshel on September 11, 2007 at 9:11 AM

She yelled I am 60 years old.

ordi on September 10, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Frickin’ Baby Boomer…

eanax on September 11, 2007 at 10:52 AM

Lieberman is so showing why he should be the Democratic nominee for President.

What intelligence and uncommon (in their party) class.

Christoph on September 11, 2007 at 4:03 PM

Lieberman is so showing why he should be the Democratic nominee for President.

What intelligence and uncommon (in their party) class.

Christoph on September 11, 2007 at 4:03 PM

Which is why he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in a blast furnace of ever getting the Democrat nomination.

Lancer on September 11, 2007 at 9:17 PM