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Video: Elvira Arellano’s son to amnesty shills — let me be a kid, please

posted at 12:19 pm on September 8, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I’m surprised to see Telemundo taking this on. His mother’s handlers have been exploiting this poor kid since last year, most memorably when they dragged him out of school to hand deliver a letter at the White House gate. Check out the photo; you can tell how excited he is to be there, especially with the media sticking cameras in his face. They dust him off and trot him out every chance they get, be it for stunts involving the Mexican Congress or gauzy propaganda segments concocted by certain mustachioed bottom feeders who shall remain nameless. Bottom line: his moral authority is simply too absolute and too precious to be squandered on things like, oh, say, playing video games or doing homework, so they’re going to keep dragging him around the country instead of sending him to being the “marvelous future” his mother’s sure he’ll have in “my country.”


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Yeah, it’s the U.S. government doing this to little Saul. Whatever.

Poor kid. I’m stunned Telemundo highlighted how the kid is a pawn who is being damaged by all this and that none of the people using him care about his well-being, including his mother who is supposedly so “traumatized” by being separated from him (even though she could have taken him with her).

aero on September 8, 2007 at 12:25 PM

So glad you deported his mother. Too bad for the exploited kid. What a tragedy.

If his mother comes back, I wonder if she can be arrested for child abuse if she continues to allow all this.

Christoph on September 8, 2007 at 12:25 PM

When they want to lie most outrageously, they always drag out a child.- Realpolitik Rule #22.

profitsbeard on September 8, 2007 at 12:26 PM

Why separate them? Send the whole family packing if they can’t handle the self imposed pressure of illegal behavior. Separation is a choice! She is free to take the child back to her country. It’s not like we are holding him hostage. He’s free to go.

Guardian on September 8, 2007 at 12:29 PM

Just as the left was using Cindy Shehan as a tool, whether she was a willing tool or not, to advance their anti-american, anti-war agenda. Now other lefties, in this case, anti-american, anti-border wackos are using Elvira and her son as tools too.

So typical of the left, they claim to have all of this compassion, yet they use people like the above to get their socialist agenda initiated. They also are in favor of abortion on demand, and want us to pull out of Iraq, when there is a potential for great loss of life like what happened after we pulled out of Vietnam.

Weebork on September 8, 2007 at 12:37 PM

Every day American citizens are separated from their families when they are jailed for breaking the law. The children of criminals always suffer because of the actions of their parents. It’s the lowest forms of humanity who use their children as pawns in their own criminal activity.

Zaire67 on September 8, 2007 at 12:38 PM

This is disgusting and sick Child Abuse.

CrazyFool on September 8, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Typical liberals – self-important, self-declared “morally superior” and nastier than all get out. In the end, the left has the morals of small rocks and the intelligence to go with it.

Eventually, people will figure out that the left doesn’t care about people any more than they are able to control people. The left doesn’t care if people are happy or sad or anything; the left wants only to show that they are in control of how people act and think.

It’s pathetic, really.

progressoverpeace on September 8, 2007 at 12:44 PM

Behold, the awesome harmful effect that abusing our fourteenth amendment has on children.

If ever there were a more important reason that the coincidence of birth in this country does not relate to citizenship this is it.

The reason this is so emotional is because it was never the intention of the fourteenth amendment authors for this to occur because for all of the desire for this little guy to be well he was never intended to be an automatic citizen and was intended to be with his mother in her home country where they are both citizens by virtue of his birth by her.

Speakup on September 8, 2007 at 12:54 PM

What about all the American kids,??? the good American kids that these same illegals want to destroy. What do they gain by destroying American kids lives you ask??? Well to hook them on their drugs at a very early age is their goal, then this usually accomplish’s many things. I’ll just mention a few of the more troubling ones. 1st)- to indoctrinate the young Amer. girls into a life of drugs and prostitution. 2nd)- the young boys will be given drugs to take them out of the job markets so anchorbabies can take those jobs in future times. To Divide and conquer. Take away any hopes of middle America’s chance to survive.

Legions on September 8, 2007 at 12:57 PM

What he is experiencing is something caused by the government his mother its broken by breaking OUR laws.

Mojack420 on September 8, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Speak english Invaders, come here legally.

ajmontana on September 8, 2007 at 1:00 PM

The Shamnesty crowd has reached a new low by attempting to pluck the ‘heartstrings’ of Americans by parading their children in front of us as they use them as a tool to promote their amnesty propaganda.

I agree that those who do this shameful act should be charged with child abuse and be imprisoned accordingly.

pocomoco on September 8, 2007 at 1:11 PM

C’mon, folks…this is our opportunity to use the ‘…for the children!’ meme.

Don’t miss this chance…demand that they leave poor Saulito alone!

James on September 8, 2007 at 1:17 PM

The laws have allowed this child to become an American citizen, and no law will ever change the fact that Saul Arellano is one. However, he is only 8 years old, and it is his mother’s responsibility to take care of him. I would like to see a new law that ends this practice of just guaranteeing anyone born in the U.S. to be a U.S. citizen, but at the same time allows anyone who was promised that to be able to take advantage of it upon turning 18, when the child is no longer just a child and is legally responsible for his or her self. It is irresponsible of these parents to leave their children here, but if what they are looking for is a better life for their children, then they should be content with them retaining that much of a privilege.

CR UVa on September 8, 2007 at 1:28 PM

It’s the lowest forms of humanity who use their children as pawns in their own criminal activity.
Zaire67 on September 8, 2007 at 12:38 PM

Well said. That’s exactly what’s happening here.

jaime on September 8, 2007 at 1:43 PM

It’s a sad, sad situation, and it’s getting more & more absurd.

This boy is being abused & brain washed by the self-righteous, self-absorbed ’social justice’ vultures to parrot their sound bite phrases in order to advance their illegal activities invasion.

Elvira Arellano, you should be ashamed of yourself for abandoning your child! You are an unfit mother!! A pox on you for shoving this 8 yr old through a nat’l media meat grinder to further your criminal behavior!!! You, Elvira Arellano, and you alone, are responsible for your criminal actions that placed your child at risk & in this abusive situation - and then, you abandoned him.

I’m disgusted with people like you and the vultures that feed on this pathetic circus. Thanks for all your help congress.

locomotivebreath1901 on September 8, 2007 at 1:54 PM

The GOP has just about lost a whole generation of Hispanic voters with their unrealistic, hard-line stance of shipping every illegal back to Mexico. Just as gays are abandoning the GOP due to the transparent religious bigotry of their gay-marriage resistance, Hispanics can see the GOP’s underlying nativist bigotry in the recent so-called “shamnesty” debate. Hey, whatever happened to that “Big Tent” anyways?

All that, plus the hypocrisy of those rich, white conservatives vilifying the very illegals who mow their lawns and tend to their children, has driven myself and other Hispanics away from the GOP and towards the opposition. You folks and the talk radio crowd don’t seem to comprehend the damage you are doing to your party by alienating a large, growing voting block in the much-coveted southwestern states. As such, Hillary’s general election victories in Colorado, New Mexico and maybe Nevada will be a huge reality check. And California? Fuggedaboutit. Ex Gov. Pete Wilson’s hard line on immigration cost the GOP California for the next 50 years at least. Learn from his mistake.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 1:55 PM

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Oh. I’ve got to stick around and watch the fireworks on this one.

locomotivebreath1901 on September 8, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Does the gentleman undertake to say that here, in the face of the provision in the Constitution, that persons born within the limits of the Republic, of parents who are not the subjects of any other sovereignty, are native-born citizens, whether they are black or white? There is not a textbook referred to in any court which does not recognize the principle that I assert. –John A. Bingham (14th amendment co-author, January 20, 1862)

[T]his amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners,* aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

*The lowly comma often times forgotten grammatical expression of separation within a sentence,

In this instance making very specific the meaning within the fourteenth amendment that children born to foreigners within the confines of the United States can not be citizens by virtue of their place of birth.

Furthermore, what was this law of the land already Howard speaks of? “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power”

[T]he provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ’subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

Moreover, United States Revised Statute 1992 [1886] is completely incompatible with the rule of jus soli: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.” How can a foreign citizen of another country, who has not yet renounced his/her allegiance to their own country, not be a subject of their own country of origin?

http://federalistblog.us/2005/12/birthright_citizenship_fable.html

Why U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark Can Never Be Considered Settled Birthright Law

UPDATE II

There is a misconception floating around that suggests the ruling in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark is the definite guiding rule of interpretation over the fourteenth amendment’s citizenship clause. Worst, some even go as far to suggest Wong Kim Ark is settled law. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Reading the majorities opinion in Kim Ark, one can’t help but wonder why so much emphasis is being placed on such obscure and irrelevant historical overviews as colonial and foreign law. With two previous established court decisions that substantially covered the same ground regarding the meaning and application of the words found in the fourteenth amendments citizenship clause, leaves one to wonder what is going on here?

Deeper into the decision, justice Horace Gray (writing for the majority) reveals exactly what the majority is up to: They are attempting to avoid discussion over the construction of the clause by the two Senators whom are most responsible for its language found in the Constitution, Jacob M. Howard and Lyman Trumbull.

It is clear the Wong Kim Ark majority recognized the fact that the only viable approach to the conclusion they sought was to somehow distant themselves from the recorded history left behind by the citizenship clause framers. Justice Gray made no attempt to hide this fact when he wrote: “Doubtless, the intention of the congress which framed, and of the states which adopted, this amendment of the constitution, must be sought in the words of the amendment, and the debates in congress are not admissible as evidence to control the meaning of those words.”

http://federalistblog.us/2006/12/us_v_wong_kim_ark_can_never_be_considered.html

Our most precious privilege has been degraded, discounted and desecrated.

American citizenship is not to be taken so lightly.
Loyalty not birth is the most important factor, it was then it should be now.

Speakup on September 8, 2007 at 2:12 PM

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 1:55 PM

I’ll take a shot…

Sinner,
Here in NY, I personally don’t see the gang stuff that exists in CA and elsewhere. I know it’s here, but still pretty much out of sight. I mostly see Hispanics as only good, nice, hard-working people. I also think the US could use additional immigrants. Population growth is destiny, as Mark Steyn says. Why not lovely Christian people from the Americas I say? How many? I don’t know. Doesn’t seem like we’re too crowded yet as a country.

On the other hand, why is it so hard for Hispanic leaders to separate legal from illegal immigration? I understand that many citizens, and our gov’thave been complicit in winking at illegal immigrants. But there is no reason why that situation should go on forever. In fact, if it did, we’d have Mexico here. Mexico has to deal with it’s own problems, instead of using the US as a release valve for its own social tensions.

Things are in process of changing. There is no stopping that. IMHO, if I was King, I’d seal the border tight, deport criminals/gangbangers, etc, and regularize the rest on a path of citizenship. I think most Americans would be willing to do this.

Hopefully, our nation’s Hispanic people will unite around the notion of sealing the borders first and then amnesty.
But we don’t hear that. We hear lies from our own government, then crap from La Raza and Atzlan, and no condemnation about our wide-open borders. I don’t really think we want you if you don’t want to be Americans. Americans want borders, and are into nationalism.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 2:14 PM

Why not lovely Christian people from the Americas I say?

This is the major advantage we have over Europe. Their imported labor is of a culture that is in direct opposition to the Judeo-Christian and Greco-Roman traditions underpinning Europe. Ours isn’t going to lop off our heads if we don’t pray to the meteorite 5x a day.

The Monster on September 8, 2007 at 2:25 PM

Pete Wilson’s hard line on immigration cost the GOP California for the next 50 years at least. Learn from his mistake.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 1:55 PM

I beg to differ on that as Califonians overwhelminly voted for Prop 187. What followed was the greatest example of voter fraud ever. To hide this from further detection, a law was passed making it illeagal for election officials to ask for ID at the voting booth. So illeagls were transported around California casting votes just before 8pm. Using the name of anyone that had not voted that day. Which they were fed by the Democratic poll workers all over the state. This is what guranteed a true Republican will never win a state wide seat. Not to mention the ballot boxes from heavily Republican districts found floating in the SF Bay. I could go on but I have since moved out of that loser state. And as for losing a whole generation of Hispanics, this Puerto Rican says,”I don’t think so!!!”

Zaire67 on September 8, 2007 at 2:28 PM

Meanwhile, the radio silence continues on several prominent conservative blogs about Rudy saying that illegal immigration is not a crime.

That flushing sound is the end of the Giuliani candidacy.

Valiant on September 8, 2007 at 2:28 PM

Why not lovely Christian people from the Americas I say?

If only that was true; the lack of morality among the illegals is staggering.

Zaire67 on September 8, 2007 at 2:34 PM

“…the government’s broken laws…”

I’m good and sick of hearing illegal aliens use the term coined by the open borders shills “broken laws”. The laws aren’t broken, it’s the Federal government’s selective enforcement that’s at issue here. The laws are just fine.

Jaibones on September 8, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Elvira! Your son needs you! Why didn’t you bring him home with you? You dared the US govt to deport you when you publically protested against our laws, and then you abandoned your son in the US when you returned to your home in Mexico!

Have you noticed that there’s no father in this picture, only a mother? So now you also have an orphan, because the great and wonderful Elvira Arellano abandoned her son!

Despicable!

jimbo2 on September 8, 2007 at 2:50 PM

If I were ever deported, my kids are goin’ with me!! I am a REAL PARENT!!

DfDeportation on September 8, 2007 at 2:56 PM

All that, plus the hypocrisy of those rich, white conservatives vilifying the very illegals who mow their lawns and tend to their children, has driven myself and other Hispanics away from the GOP and towards the opposition.

The Sinner

Nice try Sinner … you obviously were never part of the GOP. The US has no obligation to coddle people who refuse to obey our laws, steal people’s identities and suckle off the teat of the taxpayer. I see no effort to learn English, to learn American culture and traditions. I only see people who want the US to bend to them and extend a big hand full of free goodies.

If one can’t make the effort to come here legally, and make the effort to speak our language, I don’t want them.

You left the GOP? Good riddance. Whiner.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 2:59 PM

oom boppa, oom boppa, oom boppa
mau mau
giddyup

ConstantSorrow on September 8, 2007 at 3:02 PM

I understand that many citizens, and our gov’t have been complicit in winking at illegal immigrants. But there is no reason why that situation should go on forever. In fact, if it did, we’d have Mexico here. Mexico has to deal with it’s own problems, instead of using the US as a release valve for its own social tensions

If there was no demand for illegal immigrants, there would be no supply. Illegals would not risk their lives to come here to sit outside the Home Depot for fun. The vitriol aimed at them is unwarranted and misplaced. It should be aimed at the private citizens and businesses that hire them, and, yes, their corrupt 3rd world nation that enables them; Mexico. Perhaps then the Mexican government will finally be held accountable for it’s abhorrent political and economic conditions, which make so many of their good, hard workers flee north.

Things are in process of changing. There is no stopping that. IMHO, if I was King, I’d seal the border tight, deport criminals/gangbangers, etc, and regularize the rest on a path of citizenship. I think most Americans would be willing to do this.

Hopefully, our nation’s Hispanic people will unite around the notion of sealing the borders first and then amnesty.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 2:14 PM

Sounds fine to me, along with a guest worker program which may not even be necessary if the demand for their services dries up.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:09 PM

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 2:59 PM

This is a perfect example of the vitriol I was referring to.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:12 PM

Hopefully, our nation’s Hispanic people will unite around the notion of sealing the borders first and then amnesty.

JiangxiDad

Amnesty? Are you kidding?

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 3:15 PM

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 3:15 PM

Nah. Figured if we had had a normal, functioning immigration system, we’d be letting in millions of Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) legally anyway.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 3:16 PM

This is a perfect example of the vitriol I was referring to.

The Sinner

No it’s not. It’s an example of common sense. Labeling anything that doesn’t agree with your position as vitriol doesn’t cut it.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 3:17 PM

Sounds fine to me

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:09 PM

Yeah, but I don’t think illegal immigration activists agree with you. That’s the prob.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Nah. Figured if we had had a normal, functioning immigration system, we’d be letting in millions of Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) legally anyway.

JiangxiDad

I doubt the number would be millions. Immigration is not a right as some people tend to think. Immigration should be for the betterment and benefit of the US, not the other way around. Allowing so many people to come here has done nothing but forestall the inevitable reform that must take place in the countries these people are coming from.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Nice try Sinner … you obviously were never part of the GOP….. You left the GOP? Good riddance. Whiner.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 2:59 PM

Is that you, California Secretary of State Debra Bowen? If not, how the hell do you know which parties I have ever been registered to? I have been a registered Republican since I reached 18, and frankly, the GOP needs more voters like myself and less angry bigots like yourself.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:22 PM

The GOP has just about lost a whole generation of Hispanic voters with their unrealistic, hard-line stance of shipping every illegal back to Mexico. Just as gays are abandoning the GOP due to the transparent religious bigotry of their gay-marriage resistance, Hispanics can see the GOP’s underlying nativist bigotry in the recent so-called “shamnesty” debate. Hey, whatever happened to that “Big Tent” anyways?

All that, plus the hypocrisy of those rich, white conservatives vilifying the very illegals who mow their lawns and tend to their children, has driven myself and other Hispanics away from the GOP and towards the opposition. You folks and the talk radio crowd don’t seem to comprehend the damage you are doing to your party by alienating a large, growing voting block in the much-coveted southwestern states. As such, Hillary’s general election victories in Colorado, New Mexico and maybe Nevada will be a huge reality check. And California? Fuggedaboutit. Ex Gov. Pete Wilson’s hard line on immigration cost the GOP California for the next 50 years at least. Learn from his mistake.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 1:55 PM

You have just branded a whole generation of Hispanic voters as selfish and monolithically foolish. You are arrogant to try and speak for such a large, diverse group. There are many Latinos who believe in the rule of law and in protecting America’s sovereignty regardless of what La Raza, Calderon and Mechista politicians say.

Religious bigotry? That’s what Christians are confronted with when their core beliefs are discussed in the media.

And regarding Pete Wilson. God Bless him for having the cajones to stand up to a gaggle of frothing-at-the-mouth activists. He got Prop 187 passed. An activist judge turned it over.

You are correct. We should learn from our mistakes. We need to pass legislation that will survive judicial activism and constitutional scrutiny.

Also, Republicans have dismissed the black vote for decades. What makes Hispanics and gays so important that we need to deconstruct major tenets of the conservative platform?

We agree that Republicans are a peculiar bunch. Many of them seem to be in a state of backlash, racial backlash. Racial and gender double standards have taken their toll. As a result, many Republicans have put on blinders. They are unwilling to acknowledge racism, prejudice or bigotry, unless it supports their “double-standard” premise.

I call this race rage. And like road ragers, these people need to be heard. They are wounded and weary from racial politics. They do not, however, typify the entire party.

The Republican party does need to rekindle its big tent embers. The Republican party does not need to pander to minorities as if they cannot understand the simplest of American values.

The Race Card on September 8, 2007 at 3:25 PM

Also, Republicans have dismissed the black vote for decades. What makes Hispanics and gays so important that we need to deconstruct major tenets of the conservative platform?……

The Republican party does need to rekindle its big tent embers. The Republican party does not need to pander to minorities as if they cannot understand the simplest of American values.

The Race Card on September 8, 2007 at 3:25 PM

Man, I hope you are never in charge of any GOP voter registration drives.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:30 PM

Ex Gov. Pete Wilson’s hard line on immigration cost the GOP California for the next 50 years at least. Learn from his mistake.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 1:55 PM

That is just another myth by the MSM and open borders crowd.Prop 187 won with some 59 percent of the popular vote in California.

It also resuscitated the political career of Gov. Pete Wilson, who campaigned for it, and carried to victory at least five Republican congressional candidates, which helped the party win a congressional majority in 1994.

Arnold Schwarzenegger run for Governor to recall Gray Davis was largely on the issue he would reverse Gray Davis illegal aliens drivers license bill that he signed.

ScottyDog on September 8, 2007 at 3:31 PM

Now I’m a bigot? The leftist lexicon flows so easily from you. I couldn’t care less what you call me. I’m not going to back off just because you throw out silly names. I don’t want hordes of mexicans or whoever else coming here turning the southwest into little mexico. I don’t want everything written in spanish and english because our “guests” won’t make the effort to learn english. I don’t want our children in classrooms where spanish is more prevalent then english. I don’t want central and south american gangs roaming our cities and killing our citizens. My pockets are not deep and I don’t want my taxes to go even higher to pay for people who don’t want anything but a free handout and to make the southwest little mexico. Last but not least I don’t want people in my country who whine about amnesty as they fly the mexican flag and call anyone who disagrees with them racist, then carry signs for La Raza.

You’re the true bigot for slandering anyone who doesn’t believe we should legalize 20 million people who will be more of a drain on our system than they already are.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 3:33 PM

people who will be more of a drain on our system than they already are.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 3:33 PM

You sir, are a drain on your party, and part of the reason the GOP is going down the tubes. Now calm down and take your lipitor before you have a heart attack.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:39 PM

It also resuscitated the political career of Gov. Pete Wilson, who campaigned for it, and carried to victory at least five Republican congressional candidates, which helped the party win a congressional majority in 1994.

Arnold Schwarzenegger run for Governor to recall Gray Davis was largely on the issue he would reverse Gray Davis illegal aliens drivers license bill that he signed.

ScottyDog on September 8, 2007 at 3:31 PM

And how have Republican candidates fared in the state ever since 1994? They’ve all been pummeled except for Arnold of course who is a model for the new direction of the party.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:45 PM

Yeah buddy … go visit an ER in LA, or any other major city like Chicago. Go visit the classrooms and see how much english you can speak before someone says “que?”. Talking about a race of people is not racism. You’re confused. If we had 20 million illegal Chinese here would you be saying the same thing? I doubt it. The difference is I would.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 3:46 PM

Sinner- We object to large groups of unassimilated people in our midst. That is not racist.

Darwin- They’re unassimilated because our asshole gov’t sold us out to business interests.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 4:09 PM

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 3:46 PM

darwin, many in the GOP need these people for slave labor. These are TRAITORS that will sell out this country(we have already witnessed this in the last few months). They can see how hard it is out here, and there’s no way in HELL they will give up the good life for the sake of our Nation..1st thing they do..call everyone a racist..viva La Rasa

Legions on September 8, 2007 at 4:15 PM

I have been a registered Republican since I reached 18, and frankly, the GOP needs more voters like myself and less angry bigots like yourself.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:22 PM

Man, I hope you are never in charge of any GOP voter registration drives.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 3:30 PM

What exactly are you saying? What should be done about illegal immigration then? What should be done about the dozens of hopistals that have been closed due to illegal immigration? About our failing school districts? About our creeping third world urban centers?

What should America do to end this scourge? Please advise. (Ad hominem attacks do nothing for debate. Try to refrain long enough to make your point(s)?)

The Race Card on September 8, 2007 at 4:19 PM

The Race Card on September 8, 2007 at 4:19 PM

I hope he answers your questions. I really thought he would say the truth.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 4:33 PM

Darwin- They’re unassimilated because our asshole gov’t sold us out to business interests.

JiangxiDad

They’re here because of that … but assimilation is partly the government and business’s fault for catering to them and not forcing it. It’s also the fault of the individual.

Hell, our schools have bent over backwards to teach kids in spanish. Just how is that going to help someone assimilate?

I mean, why bother to do anything when this country has 1 for espanol and 2 for english and every sign and label is virtually in two languages?

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 5:02 PM

1st thing they do..call everyone a racist..viva La Rasa

Legions on September 8, 2007 at 4:15 PM

Legions please see below:

Also, Republicans have dismissed the black vote for decades. What makes Hispanics and gays so important that we need to deconstruct major tenets of the conservative platform?……
The Republican party does need to rekindle its big tent embers. The Republican party does not need to pander to minorities as if they cannot understand the simplest of American values.

The Race Card on September 8, 2007 at 3:25 PM

RC’s statement sounds like something David Duke would say. He’s basically saying: “blacks, hispanics, gays; keep out! Keep America/the GOP white and Christian!” So call me crazy but yeah I’d say that’s racist nativism.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 5:03 PM

1st thing they do..call everyone a racist..viva La Rasa

Legions

Shades of that South Carolina guy … Graham.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 5:03 PM

Where’s the daddy?

stenwin77 on September 8, 2007 at 5:15 PM

When parents break the law, the children suffer. If I break the law and sneak into my neighbors house, then if I get caught I will be separated from my family.

Keli on September 8, 2007 at 5:18 PM

So call me crazy but yeah I’d say that’s racist nativism.

Anything to you is racist. The mere mention of black or hispanic by someone “white” is racist to you.

I don’t want to speak for RC but I believe he’s saying why should the GOP grovel and pander for minority votes? If the party platform isn’t appealing why water it down like the democrats do? There are plenty of black and hispanic voters who share the ideals of the GOP, no need to promise the world at the taxpayers expense for some votes.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 5:20 PM

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 5:03 PM

1. You didn’t answer the questions posed by The Race Card on September 8, 2007 at 4:19 PM. There are a lot of people who will be reading to see how you answer them, so I think you have a good chance here to make yourself clear. Otherwise people will be left to draw their own conclusions about your true motives.

2. Race Card did not say that certain people are unwelcome in the Rep. Party. He said the basic beliefs of the Republicans/Conservatives don’t need to change because of someones ethnicity/ former nationaltiy/, etc. Black people aren’t excluded from the Republican party. But the Rep. party is NOT a party designed for single issue minority voters; it’s an American party designed for people who self-identify as American FIRST.
I think Latinos are “natural” Republicans–most are socially conservative, religious, family-minded.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 5:21 PM

I mean, why bother to do anything when this country has 1 for espanol and 2 for english and every sign and label is virtually in two languages?

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Is the problem that you can’t understand either language? or are you too lazy to press an extra button?

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 5:29 PM

RC’s statement sounds like something David Duke would say. He’s basically saying: “blacks, hispanics, gays; keep out! Keep America/the GOP white and Christian!” So call me crazy but yeah I’d say that’s racist nativism.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 5:03 PM

Funny. I recall that, in another thread, RC said that he was black.

baldilocks on September 8, 2007 at 5:29 PM

Funny. I recall that, in another thread, RC said that he was black.

baldilocks on September 8, 2007 at 5:29 PM

Hey, there were Jewish Nazis too….

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 5:35 PM

Is the problem that you can’t understand either language? or are you too lazy to press an extra button?

The Sinner

La Raza is looking for volunteers … call them. You would fit right in.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 5:45 PM

Hey, there were Jewish Nazis too….

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 5:35 PM

Guess, fellow Sinner, I’m black also. And, like RC, I’ve the misfortune of running across persons like yourself who would refer to me as a white supremacist/Nazi simply because I love this country, have defended it in word and deed and believe in Republican and conservative values and ideology, such as: personal responsibility, rule of law, assimilation of legal immigrants (of which my biological father was one), security for OUR borders and many others that will probably be subsequently named.

I’m a Republican because, as James Brown put it, “I don’t want nobody to give me nuthin’. Open up the door, I’ll get it myself.” In other words, I’m an American-born with inherent rights, but an adult with inherent responsibilities.

Therefore, I don’t need the Republicans to pander to me just because I am black. Slavery ended nearly 180 years ago, but in my opinion, some want to bring back another form of it with a new cast of characters: illegal immigrants. If that’s what you want then be honest about it.

And, on behalf of RC and other black American conservatives, who want real security for our borders, I’d like to kindly say STUFF IT for that backhanded Oreo comment.

baldilocks on September 8, 2007 at 5:49 PM

1. You didn’t answer the questions posed by The Race Card on September 8, 2007 at 4:19 PM. There are a lot of people who will be reading to see how you answer them, so I think you have a good chance here to make yourself clear. Otherwise people will be left to draw their own conclusions about your true motives.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 5:21 PM

Illegals will continue to come here as long as they are LURED here, so crack down on their EMPLOYERS with big fines (but be prepared to pay triple the price for your fruit, hotel rooms and housecleaners) and make the ones already here guest workers as long as they pay an entry fee/fine. Also put sanctions on Mexico with the severity determined by the number of their citizens here illegally. Then maybe Mexico may even help us build the fence and secure the border. Sound good?

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 5:54 PM

Sinner-
You have no idea the damage you’ve done here. People come to a site like this to hear the TRUTH, at least the truth as best as you see it.

You had every opportunity to explain how to try and solve some of the many serious problems caused by illegal immigrants and the non-assimilation of native Spanish speakers, while making sure we are still compassionate and good.

You didn’t even try! Because you clearly want to undo something fundamental about the USA. And RaceCard and baldilocks saw right through you. Now the rest of us do.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 5:59 PM

There are plenty of black and hispanic voters who share the ideals of the GOP, no need to promise the world at the taxpayers expense for some votes.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 5:20 PM

I agree, but I’d like to warn you that if the Dims win and give the amnesty (and they will) to 20 million and they also are allowed to bring in their relatives. This is what the Dims are promising them. It will cost the tax payers (Heritage Foundation says 3 f-en Trillion dollars for services rendered to them). This is a massive buying of votes..!!! If we don’t move to the center, and at least court the 28 million voters out there with no health ins. then the GOP is doomed..

Legions on September 8, 2007 at 6:00 PM

Immigration is a hot button issue as evidenced by the deluge of mail and phone calls the senate received during the immigration bill debacle. The great majority of those letters and calls were against amnesty. The Republican party would do well to listen to the people, stick to their guns and do what the people demand instead of looking like the party of wimps. People want backbone on tough issues. This is one of them. No amnesty.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 6:06 PM

It’s not a sell out. It’s saving our GOP to fight another day. This next election will decide the fate of our nation. Whether there will remain a viable middleclass or not. And if it takes buying the votes with a few incentives then so be it..A lot of smaller companies can’t afford to give their employees health ins. Not good, and it drives the cost up for all who have ins…last election was decided by less than 200.000 votes. Better to die fighting than rolling over on our backs for La Raza..

Legions on September 8, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Better to die fighting than rolling over on our backs for La Raza..

I disagree. Better to fight La Raza now. Imiigration crosses party lines. People will vote for someone who will actaully do something about it instead of giving in. People don’t want amnesty … period. It’s simply unacceptable to say we must give up control of our own country for votes. I guarantee immigration is a much bigger issue than health care, especially since theirs absolutely no one in this country who doesn’t get any.

To hell with democrats and to hell with La Raza.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 6:15 PM

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 5:59 PM

I’ve said my piece. I suppose you won’t be satisfied until my views are identical to yours, but that’s never gonna happen, so I’m moving on outta here. You all have a nice weekend.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 6:42 PM

I feel so bad about his broken family. You know, I bet if we tried real hard we could raise enough money to send little Saul to Mexico to live with his mother. Hell, I may be an economic conservative, but I’m even willing to let our tax money go to reunite the cute little tyke with his mom in Mexico.

thuja on September 8, 2007 at 6:55 PM

I suppose you won’t be satisfied until my views are identical to yours, but that’s never gonna happen, so I’m moving on outta here. You all have a nice weekend.

The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 6:42 PM

You do the same. And the next time you want to take the moral high ground in a discussion of race, you might want to refrain from using racial insults yourself.

baldilocks on September 8, 2007 at 7:10 PM

To hell with democrats and to hell with La Raza.

darwin on September 8, 2007 at 6:15 PM

I agree with you 1oo%. Me and my family were driven out of our home by illegals. A home I worked on for over 15 years restoring. Losing all you have worked for (a home) can never be forgotten or forgiven. I have to do a better job explaining I guess. This is going to be a pocketbook election. The Dems are willing to give 3 trillion of your tax dollars away for the amnesty vote. This is the last I’ll say about this. If we lose this election it will be the saddest day for our country. And we will all be asking ourselves what we could have done to have not lost by 200,000 votes which would make the lost all that much worse.

Legions on September 8, 2007 at 7:38 PM

I may feel a little sympathy if the kid could speak english. If he has been studying so hard, that should have been on the top of his mentors’ and mother’s list.

nottakingsides on September 8, 2007 at 9:20 PM

Why doesn’t he just go to Cuba, and be Elian’s best buddy.
I hear Elian’s having the best time in Fidel-land . . . so much better than the life he had here!

ToddonCapeCod on September 8, 2007 at 9:23 PM

Having to be around Liberal extremists and people yakking in Spanish all day is going to turn this kid into a US Marine with a pension to invade Mexico.

Since when is anyone surprised that Liberals are willing to hold down children on the altar of sacrifice and destroy them any way necessary in order to achieve their self centered goals?

The “crep” with the mustache is very much included in that group.

Hening on September 8, 2007 at 10:06 PM

I’m surprised to see Telemundo taking this on.

Me too. I thought it was all hot chicks in short skirts.

- The Cat

P.S.

oom boppa, oom boppa, oom boppa
mau mau
giddyup

ConstantSorrow on September 8, 2007 at 3:02 PM

hehe

MirCat on September 8, 2007 at 10:17 PM

Nacho Mama needs to take her pipsqueak back to Mexico. Who cares what pipsqueak thinks?

saved on September 9, 2007 at 11:38 AM

Dude, you can be a kid in Mexico. Try it.

mustng66 on September 9, 2007 at 11:50 AM

Let me see if I get this – the amnesty crowd thinks they can drag the kid around as a poster boy for sob stories and media blitzes?

Sickening.

Oh yeah, and if his opinons are indeed his own (which they may well not be!)…they’re worth a sum total of zip. One little pint-sized-illegal’s whinings don’t amount to a hill of beans.

Dark-Star on September 9, 2007 at 6:42 PM

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