The fate of the California Republican Party
posted at 5:27 pm on September 8, 2007 by Michelle
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I noted the open-borders debacle at the California GOP in June. The party leadership is a mess. Now, liberal Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is seizing on the vulnerable state of the California GOP to push it to the left (which Kennedy Republicans call the “center”) on the environment and health care:
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued a warning to his fellow California Republicans on Friday: Their party is doomed if it does not move to the political center.
In a speech before 1,200 delegates to a semiannual state party convention, Schwarzenegger said the group’s failure to reach out to independent and moderate voters — and embrace politicians who, like him, govern from the middle — is causing membership to plummet.
“In movie terms, . . . we are dying at the box office,” he said. “We are not filling the seats.”
The speech, which drew a mixed response, comes at a time of strained relations between the governor and the conservative activists who control the party. Schwarzenegger’s policies on the environment, healthcare and state spending have led some party leaders to call him a Democrat masquerading as a Republican.
Yet in welcoming Schwarzenegger, party Chairman Ron Nehring described him as “the single greatest asset of the California Republican Party.” Anticipating the speech to come, Nehring said the governor had been “bold” in taking the lead on healthcare and the environment — traditionally Democratic issues.
Schwarzenegger, armed with poll numbers and invoking the names of “pragmatic conservatives” Ronald Reagan, Dwight D. Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt, told a nearly full ballroom at the Renaissance Esmeralda Resort and Spa that on the issues, most Republican voters agree with him — not party activists.
“Our party has lost the middle, and we will not regain true political power in California until we get it back,” he said. “I am of the Reagan view that we should not go off the cliff with flags flying.”
“I did that in 2005; trust me,” Schwarzenegger said in a reference to his failed special election, when voters rejected each one of the conservative ballot measures he championed.
Cautioning against an incipient “bunker mentality,” he urged the party to follow the lead of Democrats and invite independents to vote in primaries. Otherwise, he said in a clear reference to the summer’s prolonged budget standoff, the party will deteriorate to such an extent that “our only remaining power is to say no.”
“Only remaining power?” Didn’t it use to be a fundamental conservative tenet to say no to higher taxes and bigger government?
On global warming, Schwarzenegger continues to push the Gore agenda:
He called the attacks on his work to curb global warming shortsighted, saying that polls show nearly three-quarters of registered Republicans support the legislation he signed last year.
“They want this party to do something more about climate change than simply doubt it,” he said. “If it is the policy of the Republican Party to ignore the great majority of the world’s scientists . . . then that is a party at odds with the future.”
Maybe Texas Gov. Rick Perry should move to California:
Conservative Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who followed Schwarzenegger to the stage, received a more enthusiastic reception with a liberal-baiting speech.
“Since when did the field of science become the sole purview of left-wing politicians?” Perry said. He added, to loud applause and laughter, that he has heard Al Gore talk about global warming so often, “I’m starting to think his mouth may be the lead cause.”
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Its ironic that republicans from California have affected the party in such an amazing way (Nixon and Reagan) but while we have more counties and more conservative areas in this state, a real strong republican, I do not think, could win unless he was liberal in some areas. In a way its like Pataki in NY, a liberal stronghold with good conservative areas. He did have a strong conservative streak but was liberal on some areas because that’s how he could get elected.
Lets face it, with areas like most of Northern California and the LA area going so heavily democratic and refusing to even touch a republican candidate, how much can we win if we go so far to the right?
Defector01 on September 8, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Michelle, we have got to pull the reins out of the RINOs and KleptoCons hands, or the US going to begin a death spiral into Eurosocialist mediocrity.
Bad Candy on September 8, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Given our primary candidates, the national GOP is soon to follow.
Valiant on September 8, 2007 at 5:39 PM
If it was kept as individual policy, fine, I don’t like RINO policies, particularly on liberty issues, but when they start trying to undermine conservative principles beyond their own circle of influence, like Arnold and the open border sellouts are doing by trying to turn the Cali and National GOP into Diet Democrat, its unacceptable under any circumstance.
Bad Candy on September 8, 2007 at 5:40 PM
I’m not saying the rest of the country has to tilt RINOish to win I’m saying that FOR THE TIME BEING, Californian republicans have to as the only way to win. Schwartzenegger has gone WAY left but from where he started he was in fine shape.
Defector01 on September 8, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Let the individual candidates be RINOs, I’m fine with that(not really, but I realize that’s part of how the game is played), once he tries to screw with or undermine the actual positions of the state GOP, he’s going too far, and that’s what it sounds like he’s doing.
Bad Candy on September 8, 2007 at 5:45 PM
This is like Adam Smith’s invisible hand having it’s way in our national politics. Population shifts and demographic changes are concentrating political parties/ideologies in certain states. People are moving not only to the party that best matches their beliefs, but to the state. It’s been a long time since the Civil War, but like all issues kept bottled-up, the “states-rights” debate may be re-igniting. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 5:46 PM
Pull the GOP out of California completely. Let them pass any liberal legislation they please and we’ll all sit back and watch the state implode. Liberal policies never, never, fix anything. They only create more problems or make existing ones worse.
Let them have it.
darwin on September 8, 2007 at 5:50 PM
The republican party abdicated and then deserted California a long long time ago. If you aren’t aware of this its only because either you aren’t from California or have been drinking the liberal/socialist democrat kool-aid. Yes their are still conservative republicans in California, but very few of us live within 40 miles of the shoreline. The democrats gerrymandered the state 30 plus years ago so that us conservative republicans were effectively disenfranchised.
doriangrey on September 8, 2007 at 5:55 PM
My fear is that people are moving to other states to make those states more “blue”. That may not be their deliberate intent, but because they take their ideologies with them, that is the result. For example, many Californians have moved to Montana (where my parents live) in the past decade. Not only have they driven up property values (which sounds good when you’re selling, not so much when you’re trying to buy, especially your first house), they have brought along their ideas that government is the solution, rather than the source, of all problems. I hope you are right, that we see a states-rights debate that drags us back to the Constitution.
DrMagnolias on September 8, 2007 at 5:56 PM
doriangrey: I’m within 40 miles of the shoreline!!!! I think I’m the only red dot in the area. Ahhhhh, back to Texas in January. Home sweet home.
mimi1220 on September 8, 2007 at 6:00 PM
I think it might be a good move if the right and left just migrated to friendly states and we decentralized domestic policy. Let’s be honest, we hate each other and its not gonna change, we’d be better off avoiding conflict fighting for federal power, just run our own turf the way we want.
Let the lefties build little socialist
serfdomsutopias (in their own states, on their own tax dollars, and no bailouts when you go bankrupt, comrades), and we can enjoy the sweet air of liberty in our places, it’ll be fun, we’ll have private health care and schools, booze, cigars, SUVs and guns, they’ll have subpar health care and public schools, trendy hipster crap, public transportation, pot and crummy jam bands, everone’s happy.Bad Candy on September 8, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Wow. And those are the CA conservatives.
Actually, I did read that Bozeman is so very kool now, and California-like. But hell, I’m in NY. I’d take MT or TX any day. It’s such a shame though. You should see how beautiful NY is. Hate to be losing my home.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 6:08 PM
mimi1220 on September 8, 2007 at 6:00 PM
I’m right on the edge of the 40 mile line, I live in a small town in Southern California called Ramona. The population here is overwhelmingly conservative republican 8 or 9 to one, and the farther east you get from here the redder the state gets. But because of the gerrymandering the democrats did our voices go largely unheard. Let me explain just how conservative this place is. If you are a homeowner and you don’t own a couple of guns, people around here look at you with suspicion.
doriangrey on September 8, 2007 at 6:09 PM
Uh no, not from California. I’m not getting the liberal/socialist democrat kool-aid thing. Watching California implode due to senseless liberal policies is liberal/socialist democrat kool-aid?
darwin on September 8, 2007 at 6:10 PM
Back in 2002, Ann Coulter noted that’s exactly what happened by the time Gray Davis imploded; Arnold’s presence has simply masked the hemorrhaging for a time.
Ed Driscoll on September 8, 2007 at 6:13 PM
No, thinking that there is a republican party in California is drinking the democrat kool-aid. The republican party in California is more liberal/socialist democrat than the democrat party in 80 percent of the entire rest of the country.
doriangrey on September 8, 2007 at 6:15 PM
Gotcha …
darwin on September 8, 2007 at 6:16 PM
So what’s the end-game?
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 6:17 PM
I voted twice for Gov. Schwarzenegger, and Ms. Malkin, you should bow at his altar for he is the sole Republican candidate to win in this state since Pete Wilson’s deplorable Prop. 187 passed in 1994. Hispanics and moderates fled from the GOP in disgust. Since then, 4 senate races, 3 presidential races and 2 governor races have gone to the Dems. That’s 9 out of 10 elections won by the Dems. And now you cry about the one candidate to win? I suppose you won’t be satisfied until it’s 10-0 Dems. You know, there was another blogger, named Arianna Huffington, who thought she knew what was best for Californians and ran for Governor and she got 1% of the vote. Ms. Malkin, if you were to run on your nativist immigration views and social conservatism, you would be lucky to match that. Arnold is a model on how to save the dying GOP. You are a model on how to kill it for good.
The Sinner on September 8, 2007 at 6:36 PM
Take a look at the NY state and city politics
and you will see NYC west. California is
the a$$h*le of the west coast and the Liberals
and Mexicans both legal and illegal love it
because illegal aliens are their new constituancy.
WASS.
daddee02004 on September 8, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Try to remember that if he never touched a steroid, he’d be twisting pretzels instead of Maria. But hey, someone out there is gonna vote for Al Franken…
JWS on September 8, 2007 at 6:43 PM
Bozeman is a college town–in fact, the college population is about the size of the town (Montana is an interesting place–the “big city” is about 120,000 people). Unfortunately, academia as it is, the result is a more lefty viewpoint than elsewhere, even in Montana.
I love NY–the state, that is. It is beautiful. My brother-in-law is one of the under-represented conservatives in the state. NYC, on the other hand, is too busy for this Southern woman. But Lefites seem to poison everything they touch–sort of the reverse Midas touch–including NY and MT.
Anyway, here is the end-game: We elect GOP’ers who are borderline Libertarians who think the Constitution is still relevant and aren’t afraid to say so. They appeal to the Founder lurking beneath the surface of most Americans–the one who says, “Don’t tell me what to do.” I truly believe that most Americans are individualists who believe hard work is the solution to our problems–even college students, possibly the laziest population on earth. I am a college professor (part-time, lest I condemn myself), and it is my experience that when you appeal to the right sensibility in students, they really respond. When I say, “I don’t believe there is such a thing as a victim,” and at the end of the semester they respond by saying you always choose, is that not reason to hope? If the pampered, indulged, gold-star-for-existing demographic responds to the federalist message, don’t we have reason to hope?
DrMagnolias on September 8, 2007 at 6:43 PM
You go DrM.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 6:58 PM
What good is having a Republican in office if he’s intent on pushing liberal policy? That’s nothing but a hollow ‘R’ next to Schwarzenegger’s name.
It’s people like Michelle who we must look to, not phony, weak RINOs.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 6:59 PM
Once upon a time, my family lived in Poway. I remember going to Julian for apple pie.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 6:59 PM
It’s an oxymoron to use GOP and California in the same sentence Michelle. :0
mustang1 on September 8, 2007 at 6:59 PM
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If Arnold saves the GOP by transmorgrifying it into Democratic Party light, is it still the GOP? And if it is not the GOP any longer, has it been saved?
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Just because the party in California has a GOP flag doesn’t make it so. Sort of reminds of soy bacon. It may look and smell like it, but there’s not an ounce of real bacon in the bag.
Herikutsu on September 8, 2007 at 7:17 PM
Arnolito Greenpeace Shwartzengomez knows were of he speaks, ever since giving up the governors mansion to Fabian Nunez and since he started doing as Fabian has told him to do which is to stand by the nonexistent border so he can apologize to and kiss every illegals a$$ that comes across while handing them a pamphlet detailing present and future government handouts…he’s done pretty well.
California liberals have since become fairly generous they let him beg for scraps once in a while if he licks their hands first, Fabian pats his head once in a while.
Just the sort of position every Ca. Republican wants to be in.
California has a core Conservative movement forged tough by liberal crapJacks, they knows all about the disease known as RINOism and they also know that the cure is the ‘middle finger salute’.
Speakup on September 8, 2007 at 7:25 PM
Exactly the opposite is true. Benedict Arnold’s example of compromise at all costs would neuter the party of the conservative principles that have won elections and changed this country for the better time and again. The party would cease to be a force for conservative ideals and fade into irrelevancy.
Prop 187 was California’s last chance to save itself from the financial ruin of liberal policies and illegal immigration. The people approved it. The liberal courts killed it, and killed California in the process. The state is a goner, a dead man walking, as it were.
Your insulting Michelle and other good conservatives who truly have the best interests of this country at heart is deplorable. It’s people like you and Benedict Arnold who need to be purged from the party so it can survive as a force for conservatism.
infidel4life on September 8, 2007 at 7:28 PM
You staying?
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 7:41 PM
To paraphase Mike Huckabee from the other night, integrity is more important than “winning.”
Since it appears that I’ll be the last Republican non-RINO to leave CA–with only familial obligation keeping me here–I’ll be sure to turn off the lights when that obligation is complete.
baldilocks on September 8, 2007 at 7:44 PM
Schwarzenegger pushing socialism and global warming in the name of Ronald Reagan, I’m surprised he wasn’t struck by a lighting bolt.
Maxx on September 8, 2007 at 7:49 PM
I didn’t say that.
Do you agree that we should be worshiping at the feet of people like Arnold who’s pushing liberal policy left and right just because he may or may not be able to reign in the moderate vote? How is that good for conservatism or even the Republican party?
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Then I suggest he come clean about his belief in open borders.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 7:52 PM
compromise is one thing, turning the other direction entirely is not what we want
Defector01 on September 8, 2007 at 7:55 PM
I was born here in CA and am now raising a family here. I hate to see what has happened to this wonderful state. I voted for Arnold twice and regret it. If the Republican party in CA is going to become liberal why vote? Let them win without the conservatives. We will have no choice.
Rose on September 8, 2007 at 8:02 PM
With all due respect, it’s this kind of attitude that has conservatives fleeing the Republican party in droves. That includes both the religious right AND the non-religious right.
But you guys enjoy the moderates!
What you all adapting, I call selling out.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 8:03 PM
all=call
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 8:04 PM
My comment wasn’t about MH or his beliefs on immigration; it was about something he said the other night wrt the Iraq War. When Ron Paul asserted that the war would cause the GOP to lose the presidential election next year. MH said that “Honor is more important than the Republican Party.”
Therefore in the case of the California GOP losing members because it isn’t left-leaning enough, let me repeat myself: the integrity of the GOP is more important than “winning.”
If the CA GOP must look and behaves more like Democrats in order to win converts, it might as well disband.
baldilocks on September 8, 2007 at 8:05 PM
That first period should be a comma.
baldilocks on September 8, 2007 at 8:06 PM
I agree completely.
The answer isn’t moving more left; the answer is moving more right. The reason why the Republican party is in the tank right now is not because they aren’t left-leaning enough, it’s because they’ve abandoned their conservative principles.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 8:08 PM
The only hope for my state.
you know its a good idea when the dems are crying already
Mojack420 on September 8, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Amen. There are intelligent, true Republicans in California (like State Senator Tom McClintock), but I think the feel-good, youth-oriented, me-first hedonism espoused by the majority of folks in this state make it impossible for them to embrace conservative Republicanism. Why vote for someone who wants a balanced State budget when you have six credit cards that are all maxed out from keeping up with the Jones, buying the latest electronic toys, designer clothes, dinner out at trendy restaurants and buying $100+ bottles of wine to impress your friends? It’s “too hard” an ideology to follow when you’re weak and self-centered. I don’t think the party should pander to such a lowest common denominator.
I work for the University of California. I never discuss my politics or which campaigns I support, but I do defend my conservative views on family, society, crime, the military and religion. While they call themselves liberal and Democrat, many of the young people that I work around have complemented me on my clear, rational and values-focused approach.
Time moves slowly and the only certainty we have is that change will occur. I’m not ready to write off California completely, but Republicans are going to have to step up and step out if we’re ever to have a chance.
Kalifornia Kafir on September 8, 2007 at 8:39 PM
MM won me over a few years ago when I had seen HER being interviewed by oreilly. HER views on immigration were bold and I became a big fan of HERS. I knew the minute I heard HER that day, SHE was stirring up a beehive with the elites. I thought moving a little to the center would be a good thing..?? GOP won last time by only a couple 100 thousand votes, I just don’t want to lose by that much this time around. No far right conservatives will sit this one out, no matter what the candidates promise the center. And if we do lose we will see 3 trillion of your tax dollars go to render services for the illegals anyway. You’ll already paying for a socialized health plan now. It’s just that all of middle America isn’t invited. There’s no freebee’s in my plan, I just know there’s a better way, and I need the votes on election night and the rightwing will be there, I promise..I’m just not sure about the moderates.?
Legions on September 8, 2007 at 8:40 PM
Nope. I can’t see staying here more than a year or two more.
infidel4life on September 8, 2007 at 8:52 PM
infidel4life on September 8, 2007 at 8:55 PM
I don’t need the preview button! I never make a mistake!
Another beer will fix me right up.
infidel4life on September 8, 2007 at 8:57 PM
I beginning to think it might be a good idea to kick the entire West Coast out of the United States. Are there any Americans left out there?
Wuptdo on September 8, 2007 at 9:19 PM
The Cali Gov is right. Attacking the beliefs of most scientists on a science issue makes you ridiculous. It could even be true that some people here at right that global warming is a hoax. It is not unusual for people to be right for the wrong reason. But even so when you disagree with our best science minds out of ideological commitment to killing everything now, you look no better than the Pope condemning Galileo. & really you should look worse than the Pope. At least, his intentions weren’t evil.
thuja on September 8, 2007 at 9:21 PM
where to? which places did you consider? I have to leave too.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 9:30 PM
Since no one else seems to be here, it falls to me to say what a preposterous comment that was
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 9:31 PM
The problem for conservatives, for now, is that Arnold remains the most dynamic political figure in the state, by far. Unlike Tom McClintock and other traditional Republican conservatives, who may be correct as well as right on any number of issues, Arnold advances a positive, optimistic, forward-looking message that appeals to Californians’ self-image, just as having two woman senators appeals to a certain kind of cultural vanity. A Republicanism that embraces the future, in contrast with obsolete Democrat big government liberalism, might have a chance here, but, at least for the moment, too many aspects of Republican conservatism are virtually anathema to politically active and aware Californians. A lot of 80% Republicans are a lot more afraid of the Religious Right than they are of left-wingers and immigrants, and a party perceived as enviro-skeptic, xenophobic, and culturally backward doesn’t have a prayer statewide. The good news for Republicans is that there isn’t great affinity for the Democrats, but it doesn’t help change perceptions when Arnold is rejected and excoriated by people who come across as old-fashioned, ignorant prigs.
CK MacLeod on September 8, 2007 at 9:31 PM
So many of you CA Reps sound the same, and unlike any other Republicans I’ve ever heard. But I used to live in CA, and much of my family still lives there, so I have tasted the Kool-Aid. Funny though, it didn’t take.
Good luck with your Conservatism Lite. Beer sucks that way, so does politics.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 9:38 PM
Most scientists, huh?
You global warming freaks need to give up. You’ve lost.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 9:53 PM
Whatever, Dad – if you can’t handle it, best look away.
CK MacLeod on September 8, 2007 at 9:56 PM
This is a guy that spends holidays bending elbows with the Kennedy mob. He’s an actor, go figure.
Hening on September 8, 2007 at 9:56 PM
I’m also a former Californian who had the honor of voting for Governor Schwarzenegger twice, and I regret neither vote. California is a different animal, and if this was him moving the party into the far left, then California’s Democrats are so far left, they’re in Maui. I don’t agree that he’s shifting the party anywhere, I believe him when he’s saying that he’s reaching out towards independents and moderates. It’s not like moving on climate change is akin to opening the border and funding Saudi madrassas in San Clemente. He’s just doing what his constituency wants from their government – he serves the entire state, not just the conservative republican base.
You guys who are saying that the reason Republicans lose on the left coast is because they aren’t conservative enough just have no idea what living in SoCal is like. For every annoying “Truth” anti-smoking ad you’ve seen, I saw eight. Probably one third of my basic cable channels were also offered in Spanish. My education in High School was run by potheads, my classes were PC to the point where I can even sympathize with Nazi Germany for flipping out, and my shop class was, I’m not kidding, a lecture class/study hall. Orange County was practically covered in “Go Green” bumper stickers before the 2000 election, Bush hate has always been popular all over the state, and academia? Bakersfield really is the last bastion for people who want a mostly unbiased education, but the problem is: its BAKERSFIELD. Please remember, California, the eighth most powerful economy in the world (not nation, WORLD), is the state that suffered a budget collapse and energy crisis that we will never forget under a far, far, faaaaar left governor who was very, very, veeeeery popularly elected.
Even though I’ve since moved to Montana, I feel that Arnold is still my governor, and that yes, he is a Reagan conservative. He’s held compassionate stances on immigration, while encouraging assimilation, and I think that’s something the Gipper would and did support. And regarding the special election, yes, he’s had political defeats during his tenure, but he’s had a lot of success in keeping the state’s budget in check, and steadily lowering taxes and cutting superfluous government programs. What I’m trying to say is, he’s been minimally invasive in his fellow residents’ lives, and having the memories of what life was like under guys like Gray Davis, I am so grateful for that. At the end of the day, isn’t that what the Republican party is all about? Keeping government at a level comprehensible and necessary to its citizens? His stances as a moderate republican are exactly those that can keep the state prosperous, the nation safe, and the greatest number of people happy.
Michelle, I really respect you, but please take your sights off of Governor Schwarzenegger. If you and people like you manage to take him down, something a lot worse is going to pop up in his place. California belongs to people like Cindy Sheehan, Nancy Pelosi and Rob Reiner – not The Nuge.
Savage on September 8, 2007 at 9:56 PM
There are still a lot of conservatives in this state and it would be defeatist to allow the liberals to completely take over, although it certainly looks like they have. There are a lot of conservative areas left and I live in one of them. I am not going to vote for a liberal even if he claims to be a Republican. I and others like me are not going to just turn our party over to liberals without taking a stand, even if we lose.
Rose on September 8, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Well, have fun losing, Rose.
Savage on September 8, 2007 at 10:04 PM
A defeatist speaks.
Rose on September 8, 2007 at 10:05 PM
Wow.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 10:07 PM
Have trying to outplay the Democrats at their own game: liberalism.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 10:08 PM
fun*
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Your position would be stronger if you hadn’t moved. Also, your comments kind of reminded me of the French accomodationist/appeasers of Vichy France.
I guess we each make our own choice when faced with this kind of onslaught. I’m planning a strategic retreat from NY in order to fight another day.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 10:24 PM
So now people who are sympathetic with, if not wholly supportive of Arnold, from Arnold’s right, are to be compared with Nazi collaborationists?! I’ll call Godwin’s law on that one.
You may want to continue your retreat to about 3 miles underground. Otherwise, I just don’t see how you’ll have a chance of avoiding cultural contamination by insufficiently pure conservatives.
CK MacLeod on September 8, 2007 at 10:43 PM
nah, wasn’t trying to bring the Nazi thing in. Just meant a lot of fundamentally decent people choosing the easy way out.
This is kind of a hot-button issue for me. I only know one other conservative person in r/l. If I flew an Am. flag here, I’d get dirty looks.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 10:55 PM
I have relatives in East Texas, whom I will be visiting in the fall. I’ve also been considering the Nashville area of Tennessee. Ultimately I gotta go where tech jobs are, since I’m in I.T.
infidel4life on September 8, 2007 at 10:57 PM
So for Republicans in California to succeed, they need to be Democrats? Good luck with that Arnold.
SoulGlo on September 8, 2007 at 11:04 PM
yeah, Nashville. On my list too. Also Charlotte, Asheville, Atlanta, Dallas and Boise.
good luck.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 11:07 PM
Thanks man, you too. :-)
infidel4life on September 8, 2007 at 11:11 PM
Your characterizations of Southern California are so blown out it’s funny. One third of the channels in Spanish? I count 5 (I can give you the channel numbers too). What school district did you go to? Do you realize Orange County is one of the most Republican districts in the country?
And to everyone claiming that the Republicans need to move further to the right – are you insane? You guys didn’t lose the 2006 election because you weren’t right-wing enough. You keep pretending like that’s the problem and you guys will stay a minority party.
Nonfactor on September 8, 2007 at 11:16 PM
Republicans lost in 2006 because of corruption and liberal-like spending habits.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 11:22 PM
What war?
Nonfactor on September 8, 2007 at 11:24 PM
Two decades ago, yeah. Now it’s overrun with illegals and open-borders liberals. I drive all over SoCal in the course of my work. This whole area is Reconquista Territory now. Wake up and smell the Menudo.
infidel4life on September 8, 2007 at 11:26 PM
You have no idea. You may drive through Southern California because of your work, I live here. To pretend like this is a left-leaning county is to ignore the obvious.
Nonfactor on September 8, 2007 at 11:30 PM
Who are “you guys”? Are the Rep’s too right to win, or too right to be correct?
Was the war wrong? Or just not an electoral winner.
JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 11:32 PM
I live here too. I’ve lived here for 54 years. Geographically, weather-wise, beaches, mountains, recreation, scenic beauty, camping, hiking, wildlife, history, heritage, you name it. California has been an awesome place to live. I would prefer to stay here for the rest of my life. But socialist policies and illegal immigration have turned this state into a cesspool of corruption, crime, taxes and laws that suck the middle-class dry. There comes a time in war when the good guys have to retreat to a defensible position.
infidel4life on September 8, 2007 at 11:41 PM
Hey, man, I lived within walking distance of the Irvine Spectrum for nearly a decade. Not every little bit of Orange County is Mission Viejo or Huntington Beach. Somebody has to scrub the toilets and flip the burgers, and those people vote democrat. Even Saddleback Church evangelized going green and reaching out to Syria for months.
Savage on September 8, 2007 at 11:47 PM
He’s a sell out.
We need to move to the right and play for keeps. Part of the issue is that Republicans half-ass their defense of their policies and don’t do crap toward promoting their policies.
Tim Burton on September 8, 2007 at 11:47 PM
I guess it depends which circles you travel in. Here in Camarillo it is still somewhat conservative. We have Elton Gellegly and although my kids go to private school, the public ones still are fairly decent.
Rose on September 8, 2007 at 11:51 PM
For those of you who agree with Schwarzeneggar that California “independents” should be allowed to vote in the primary…
Ron Paul, darling of “independents,” is not a Republican, does not and never has promoted traditional Republican ideas, but is a pretender trying to garner the Republican nomination. If you want this guy to be the Repubican primary nominee in CA, then let the “independents” vote. Oh wait, I forgot, that’s exactly how the faux Republican Arnold Schwarzekennedy got elected governor!
Kalifornia Kafir on September 8, 2007 at 11:51 PM
The war had little to nothing to do with it.
2Brave2Bscared on September 8, 2007 at 11:58 PM
Btw, while we’re on the subject, McCain was at the California Republican Hootenanny and gave a terrific speech:
Sept 8 – John McCain Addresses the CA Republican State Convention
CK MacLeod on September 9, 2007 at 12:21 AM
True. In the wealthier areas of Ventura County (Thousand Oaks, Camarillo, Westlake) life seems the same as it has been for awhile. Travel to the more older/rural/agricultural areas (Ventura/Santa Paula/Fillmore) and it’s a completely different demographic.
infidel4life on September 9, 2007 at 12:31 AM
A German Socialist and Hollywood elitist like Arnold has always been a lefty. He could not hack it doing Capitalism with his failed Planet Hollywood chain. Why are we all surprised. His goal is to weaken the constitution and open up the flood gates for other foreign socialists into American politics.
Egfrow on September 9, 2007 at 12:36 AM
Sorry, He’s Austrian but I don’t really see a difference.
Egfrow on September 9, 2007 at 12:37 AM
infidel,
We have thought of moving to another state after our last child graduates but it is hard to leave CA for two reasons, the weather and Prop. 13. We’ve had our house long enough that even though it is worth 3x what we paid for it our taxes are less than my sister’s taxes are where she lives in Texas on a house worth a lot less.
Rose on September 9, 2007 at 12:43 AM
The libs would really like to ‘remedy’ the Prop 13 problem. They haven’t succeeded yet but they will keep trying.
infidel4life on September 9, 2007 at 12:48 AM
The only way a reblican can win in California is to stop the massive voter fraud. Prop 187 passed by a wide margin.
Zaire67 on September 9, 2007 at 12:50 AM
When they do it will be time to move.
Rose on September 9, 2007 at 12:50 AM
It did, it passed fair and square. The courts stopped it. I don’t see why people keep saying it harmed the Republican party when it passed with votes from the moderates they keep wanting to reach out to.
Rose on September 9, 2007 at 12:52 AM
I think I need to address all my posts. The first was regarding Prop. 13 and the second was Prop. 187.
Rose on September 9, 2007 at 12:54 AM
I couldn’t agree more. The GOP sold it’s soul to the bible thumpers and now they are paying the price for sticking their noses where it doesn’t belong, like in people’s uteruses and bedrooms. If another grand California Governor, Ronald Reagan, were in office today no doubt you far right fools would label him a RINO.
The Sinner on September 9, 2007 at 2:31 AM
How everything has changed since 2003, when the momentum on the Right seemed so strong and inevitable. If we don’t soon figure out how to defeat the Leftward Force that is enveloping everyone – yes, even Ann Coulter is afraid to really speak her mind, so PC guilt-infected are we all – the downward spiral will be fast and furious.
Halley on September 9, 2007 at 2:50 AM
Somebody here doesn’t know very much about Ronald Reagan.
Rose on September 9, 2007 at 3:18 AM
Ahnuld is going to bankrupt us. Gray Davis was sacked because of illegal alien drivers licenses and the budget. Now Arnold wants healthcare for illegals and our budget has grwon by 30% since he took office. Iceing on the cake? We just passed a huge bond issue that will come due just after his next term expires.
Arnold pays homage to global warmming with intitiatives that really accomplish nothing but give him good press. I guess that is how he rationalizes his leftward slant.
He even acknowledged his wis badgering him over a budget vcut he was going to make on Leno! He caved to his wife and mother in law on the California budget!
So what if Arnold gets sacked. Let a hardocre tax rasing leftist Govenor hit California. New York did not learn until Dinkins turned the city into a cesspool. Californians wil not learn until the lilly white enclaves that fuel liberalism are invaded by the problems they create. Michelle had an articel about the new age hippies descending onSan Francisco and how the hippies of yesteryear are now home owners and want them out.
Theworldisnotenough on September 9, 2007 at 4:05 AM
He even acknowledged his wife badgering him
Theworldisnotenough on September 9, 2007 at 4:06 AM
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