Hsu and the Shrimp Boy; Update: Hsu’s business records show huge money transfers to other Clinton donors, says NYT

posted at 10:27 pm on September 8, 2007 by Bryan

Just when you thought the Norman Hsu saga couldn’t get any weirder, a major Chinatown gangster shows up in the middle of it.

Raymond Kwok Chow, alias “Shrimp Boy,” is one of Hsu’s known associates.

He was notorious gangster in Chinatown in the early 1990′s, at roughly the same time when state prosecutors say Norman Hsu started his ponzi scheme with his latex gloves business.

Chow says he is now clean, and spoke with us about his relationship with Norman Hsu.

Chow dressed brazenly in white at the funeral of Allen Leung, the Chinatown business leader shot to death last year.

Chow was once one of the most feared gangsters in Chinatown.

“I grow up in crime. I grow up in the city and involved with the most crime,” said Chow.

In the 1980′s and early 1990′s, San Francisco’s Chinatown was the battleground of a bloody war between powerful gangs.

Chow’s gang “Wo Hop To” finally won.

This was when Chow says he met Norman Hsu. He says Hsu dabbled in clothing, import and export and real estate. He adds Hsu was also in trouble.

“I guess he into a lot of financial problem back then and I loaned him some money,” said Chow. “And I help him with my knowledge and with my strength. That’s all there is.”

In the early hours of August 28, 1990, Foster City Police stopped a car for making an illegal turn.

In the back seat, they found a frightened Norman Hsu. In the front were Raymond Chow and two associates.

Hsu told police he had been kidnapped.

“There was a 12 hour ordeal where there was discussions, arguments. Mr. Hsu claims he was assaulted several times and threatened,” said Capt. Matt Martell, Foster City Police Department.

Hsu told police he had business dealings with Chow and there was a dispute over money.

“And what that dollar amount was, different dollar amounts ranged between $300,000 and a $1 million worth of claims,” said Capt. Martell

Chow says Hsu lied, and claims it was Hsu who called him for help that night because he owed people money.

“I met him because he was in trouble, and at that time, I helping him out a lot,” said Chow. “The way he told me, I mean, he being extortion, he being a lot of people tried to hurt him.

Chow and the others were arrested, but charges were later dropped when Hsu became uncooperative with prosecutors.

Don’t go away yet. We haven’t worked the Freemasons into the story.

“Today, Raymond, myself, I upfront to face up to all the past I have done, and to try to correct my life,” said Chow.

Chow is now the chairman of the Chinese Freemasons, the position Allen Leung held before he was killed.

All we need now is for the Illuminati to show up.

Update (AP): I’m thinking we haven’t yet scratched the surface of how awesome this scandal is. In a sense, this NYT story brings us back to square one — the very first article about Hsu last week in the Journal wondered why a middle-class family in San Francisco suddenly started donating large sums of their money to Democrats at around the same time Norman Hsu did.

Possible answer: because, just possibly, it wasn’t their money they were donating.

The records show that Components Ltd., a company controlled by Mr. Hsu that has no obvious business purpose and appears to exist only on paper, has paid a total of more than $100,000 to at least nine people who made campaign contributions to Mrs. Clinton and others through Mr. Hsu. The payments occurred in the spring of 2003, several months before Mr. Hsu emerged as a contributor to Democrats and more than a year before he started bundling checks from those same people for various campaigns. In all, he has raised more than $1 million for Democrats.

The records make clear that the group was more than just a loose collection of friends, family and co-workers that bundlers typically rely on when raising money for a candidate. Rather, each person had a direct financial relationship with Mr. Hsu, either receiving money from his company or paying into it, even though many of them appear to have other jobs or businesses independent of him. The purpose of the payments, and whether they related to business costs, fees or expenses, is unclear…

The only public evidence of Mr. Hsu’s connection to some of the political contributors who appear in his company’s financial ledger can be found in campaign finance filings. On several occasions, two donors, Winkle Paw, a financial analyst in California, and Paul Su, a computer company executive in New York, described themselves as partners in Mr. Hsu’s companies…

On [one] occasion, Mr. Paw wired $20,000 to Components Ltd., and Mr. Hsu immediately wired $30,000 to another company whose location could not be determined.

In roughly that same period, Components Ltd. issued three checks to Mr. Paw totaling about $16,000, and checks and wire transfers totaling more than $100,000 to eight other people, including a worker at a rehabilitation center for the handicapped, a housewife, a nurse, a real estate developer, a plastics company executive and his wife, and a clothing shop manager.

Mr. Hsu later bundled campaign contributions from all of those people, including Mr. Paw and six members of his family, along with Mr. and Mrs. Su. The Paws and Sus together contributed more than $400,000 since 2004 to Democrats across the country, usually in tandem with Mr. Hsu.

Not good enough? Here’s the Philly Inquirer’s report on another possible case of “Chinese laundering” involving three managers at a manufacturing plant in Mount Carmel, Pennsylvania, who somehow cooked up $270,000 between them for Ted Kennedy and Hillary, among others. Wouldn’t you know it, their donations came on or around the same dates as Norman Hsu’s donations to the same candidates. Like Flip Pidot says, this is the real money angle to the case; Hsu’s own donations were substantial but it’s the contributors he “bundled” for Hillary and other Democrats that stretch into seven figures.

The Journal has another piece on him out tonight attempting to unravel his decades of shadiness. And the San Fran Chronicle describes the freaky scene on the train that led to his hospitalization two days ago. No shoes, no shirt, “disoriented” — it sounds like he had a nervous breakdown. According to a family friend who spoke to WaPo, he was hinting at suicide in the days before.


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I half expect Homer Simpson to put on a funny robe and sing, “We do! We do!”

Damian G. on September 8, 2007 at 10:30 PM

Now who wouldn’t want a friend whose nickname is “Shrimp Boy.”

terryannonline on September 8, 2007 at 10:32 PM

I miss lobster boy.

http://phreeque.tripod.com/grady_stiles.html

lorien1973 on September 8, 2007 at 10:36 PM

A gangster, the Chinese Free Mason’s, then the Clinton’s. He seems drawn to sleazy and sordid characters.

thedecider on September 8, 2007 at 10:37 PM

Chow is now the chairman of the Chinese Freemasons

You mean the Freemasons have ethnic franchises? Fascinating. But it makes sense. Those robes can’t be cheap to send out to a laundromat.

jihadwatcher on September 8, 2007 at 10:44 PM

All we need now is for the Illuminati to show up.

Oh, don’t worry Bryan, we’re here.

Bad Candy on September 8, 2007 at 10:47 PM

Chinese gangsters? Freemasons? It’s like a bad movie on a low-rent cable channel. All this lacks is a super-villain with an underground HQ and some hot female assassins.

Thomas the Wraith on September 8, 2007 at 10:52 PM

Isn’t “Shrimp Boy That Dances With Cigars”, Bubba’s NA name?

That’s what Ward Churchill told me.

Hening on September 8, 2007 at 10:54 PM

If this sticks to the Clintons, I expect the atheists back in church.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2007 at 10:59 PM

Awesome indeed. Deep breaths Allahpundit. Deep breaths. All in good time.

Thomas the Wraith on September 8, 2007 at 11:01 PM

If this sticks to the Clintons…,

Nothing sticks to the Clintons. They are so slimey and greasy, how can anything stick to them?

jihadwatcher on September 8, 2007 at 11:02 PM


Like Flip Pidot says, this is the real money angle to the case; Hsu’s own donations were substantial but it’s the other contributors he “bundled” for Hillary and other Democrats that stretch into seven figures.

Exactly! Please, you guys, don’t let this thing die. Force the media to cover this. Not that we can’t list thousands of examples of bias, but here’s yet another obvious one… this story is unbelievably juicy and with the chinese gang angles, and fake companies, it’s like a freakin’ crime movie!!! Where’s the “if it bleeds it leads” crowd, who always insists that it’s the “good story” that forces only negative coverage of Iraq, because building schools isn’t exciting. WAKE UP MEDIA – THERE’S A STORY THAT IS EXCITING AS HELL, JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO USE YOUR RESOURCES TO TEAR IN TO IT!!!

Seriously, talk about culture of corruption… This thing has the potential to destroy the Democratic Party, no? I’m not saying it will, but the Hsu/associates web is getting wider by the day, and we still don’t know WHERE THE MONEY CAME FROM! I (and I think others) joked in other threads that it’s coming from the Chinese government, because they’d obviously like us to elect socialists (which the Democratic Party is essentially lead by at this point)… but I’m only half joking. I think it’s 50/50 that this money is coming through some channel from China, and intended to elect Dems because it suits Chinese interests better.

Again, please don’t let this die… I’ve seen too many things die before they got the prime time, night after night, exhaustive coverage they deserve over the past few years (i.e. Sandy Berger), and watched misleading/smaller stories get overplayed in such dishonest ways (i.e. Abu Ghraib, Plame, etc.)

RightWinged on September 8, 2007 at 11:08 PM

The Clintons are untouchable; all they have to say is, “We didn’t know. . .”, and they are off the hook.

You would have to prove there was a deal, money for something, and that will never happen.

But one day, the whole cloth the democrats have woven over the last 35 years is going to unravel.

rockhauler on September 8, 2007 at 11:26 PM

Wow, this touches the clintons and kennedy!
I am shocked, I tell you , shocked!
If hillary doesn’t come clean and produce her list of donors, as well as their amounts and dates, she is dirty dirty dirty, and not in the fun way…

redshirt on September 8, 2007 at 11:35 PM

Please realize that Times article is only covering ONE month in 2003. That is the only records they could get

The money could go much higher.

And who can say where that money all went ?

Keep in mind that since 2006 the Democrats have out fundraised the Republicans by a huge margin

William Amos on September 8, 2007 at 11:40 PM

A couple scenerios 1. The money could have come from the Chinese government in payment for all the tecnology leaked to them by Clinton while he was President. 2. Earmarks are now coming directly back to the congress. 3.It could be the money that vanished from the Iraq appropriations to rebuild the infastructure, that has gone missing. 4. George Soros is skirting the law and donating via Hsu. Heh Heh It could happen!

sonnyspats1 on September 8, 2007 at 11:53 PM

OH and by the way the medical term for Hsu’s condition when taken off that train is ‘Scared Sh&tless’

sonnyspats1 on September 8, 2007 at 11:56 PM

You have to be making this stuff up. Please tell me it’s a new Hollywood screenwriters’ contest TV reality show gone out of control.

Nothing else is believable. I refuse to partake in this practical joke on registered commenters.

fred5678 on September 9, 2007 at 12:03 AM

Bush has got to get Hsu alive. It would take years to supoena all the records to tie this to HillBilly, only to have it show up under a pillow one day in the White House as the Clintons are carrying out a final load of furniture.

pedestrian on September 9, 2007 at 12:33 AM

Some interesting things I found out

The hopital never called the Feds. It was the Feds who called them and told gthem they had a fugitive there

St. Mary’s spokesman Dan Prinster said Friday that the
FBI contacted the hospital hours after Hsu was
admitted and told officials: “You have a fugitive in
your hospital, and we are coming to arrest him.”
Hospital administrators, Prinster said, had not called
police.

Senator Jim Testor of Montana will no be returning Hsu money as there is “no proof it is illegal money”

HELENA – Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., said Friday that he
won’t keep campaign donations he received last year
that have now been tied to a disgraced Democratic
fundraiser if the donations are found to be improper.

“If a donation to Senator Tester is shown to have been
made illegally, he would obviously return it or donate
it to charity,” said Matt McKenna, a Tester spokesman.

Scandalous campaign contributions played a role in
Tester’s 2006 election. Tester unseated Republican
Sen. Conrad Burns amid a scandal involving Burns’
receipt of more than $150,000 in donations from
disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, his clients and
associates. Months after the criticism, Burns either
returned or donated the money.

And the same for Claire McCaskill

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that Sen.
Claire McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat, has received
$18,500 in donations over the past two years from Hsu
associates and a family whose political donations
closely track Hsu’s. She received no contributions
from Norman Hsu, records show.

A spokeswoman in McCaskill’s office said Wednesday
that the associates’ donations were not illegal and
were not connected with Hsu and that McCaskill had no
plans to refund them.

William Amos on September 9, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Woo Hoo Michelle hits the Washington Times with this issue !

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070909/COMMENTARY/109090013/-1/RSS_FP

William Amos on September 9, 2007 at 1:03 AM

Chow dressed brazenly in white at the funeral of Allen Leung, the Chinatown business leader shot to death last year.

Brazenly? In China, white is the color of mourning. Way to be culturally sensitive, ABC-7! (A minor detail, certainly, but you’d think a reporter named Vic Lee would know about that stuff…)

Well-Armed Lamb on September 9, 2007 at 1:12 AM

The hopital never called the Feds. It was the Feds who called them and told gthem they had a fugitive there

St. Mary’s spokesman Dan Prinster said Friday that the
FBI contacted the hospital hours after Hsu was
admitted and told officials: “You have a fugitive in
your hospital, and we are coming to arrest him.”
Hospital administrators, Prinster said, had not called
police.

That’s weird for some reason, it just seems odd.

Topsecretk9 on September 9, 2007 at 1:41 AM

Boy, the only thing missing is Jack Burton and Wang Chi having a kung-fu battle with the Lords of Death in front of the Wing Kong Trading Company.

ScottMcC on September 9, 2007 at 1:42 AM

Follow the money.

slp on September 9, 2007 at 1:53 AM

Hillary and Bill Clinton have declared themselves “shocked” at revelations about one of the Democratic Party’s mysterious, deep-pocketed bagmen, Hong Kong native Norman Hsu.

When are they going to do time in the slammer for harboring a known fugitive?

pedestrian on September 9, 2007 at 2:20 AM

Top

Up until yesterday I would have agreed.

Some friends of mine just got back from a Cruise to Alaska. Here is what they told me. As they were reentering the US the husband was selected to be searched. They took his passport and scanned it thru a machine. The wife peeked her head around to see the screen of the machine to find that ALL of the places they went and things they used their credit card for was listed with date and time and what they purchased. EVERYTHING including what they did on the ship. The wife told me we do not know how much “BIG BROTHER” IS WATCHING

Hsu must have used his credit card to buy his ticket or food.

ordi on September 9, 2007 at 2:33 AM

This was when Chow says he met Norman Hsu. He says Hsu dabbled in clothing, import and export and real estate.

Do you suppose he knows Art Vandelay?

P.S. Since there is no where else to post this let me say Go Oregon! Laid the wood on Michigan. They were playing in The Big Our House. The Wolverines looked like a Division II school.

Mallard T. Drake on September 9, 2007 at 2:52 AM

And the San Fran Chronicle describes the freaky scene on the train that led to his hospitalization two days ago. No shoes, no shirt, “disoriented” — it sounds like he had a nervous breakdown. According to a family friend who spoke to WaPo, he was hinting at suicide in the days before.

Is the “Clintons whacking people” meme believable yet?

Just checking, I want to know when that gets credible.

Theworldisnotenough on September 9, 2007 at 3:40 AM

Oh come on guys, the Clintons involved with international corruption? This is news?

Sadly, the dinosaur networks will never run with this because it would require them to stop…

well, I’m not going to say it because any of the ways I’m thinking of expressing it are banworthy, but lets just say the likelikhood they’d stop salivating over the Clintons for even one moment to investigate actual, widespread corruption is near zero.

BKennedy on September 9, 2007 at 4:36 AM

Bawaaahh

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/9/8/211710/9356

Raking Norman Hsu Over the Coals
By Jeralyn, Section Other Politics
Posted on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 08:17:10 PM EST
Tags: Norman Hsu

When the media gets a bug up it’s as*, it just doesn’t quit.

Why all the fuss? Mr. Hsu is a U.S. citizen. He’s a graduate of Berkeley and the Wharton School of Business. He went bankrupt in the U.S. and got charged with a crime as a result. He didn’t show up for his sentencing and has said he thought the case had been resolved.

He didn’t rape or kill anyone. He’s not a terrorist or an agent of a foreign power. He contributed money to Democratic candidates, none of whom had an inkling there was anything off-kilter. They’ve all said they will donate the money to charity. It appears Hsu isn’t even registered to vote.

The man tried to contribute to our political process and ends up a national pariah. Can we have some perspective, please?

The Justice Department will investigate. Even if his contributions violated campaign finance laws, it’s not a death penalty offense. Nor should we drive him to suicide.

Everyone else should get off his case already.

William Amos on September 9, 2007 at 5:19 AM

Do you suppose he knows Art Vandelay?
Mallard T. Drake on September 9, 2007 at 2:52 AM

Exactly what I was thinking.

Ok, I need to ask a question that will probably make me look stupid, but I’m young. Forgive me.

Why would Hsu need to have other people donate for him? Are there laws against how much you can donate, or is it because he is not American or…?

tikvah on September 9, 2007 at 7:41 AM

ordi on September 9, 2007 at 2:33 AM

Completely ridiculous. But thanks for the laugh.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 8:13 AM

tikvah on September 9, 2007 at 7:41 AM

yes. here are the rules. Some argue that any limits at all are an infringement on free speech.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 8:17 AM

OH and by the way the medical term for Hsu’s condition when taken off that train is ‘Scared Sh&tless’

sonnyspats1 on September 8, 2007 at 11:56 PM

Or, as they say in Chinatown, Hung Chow.

PatrickS on September 9, 2007 at 8:20 AM

According to a family friend who spoke to WaPo, he was hinting at suicide in the days before.

Hmmm, another pending bagman “suicide” among the Clinton cronies? Seems we have heard this story before, haven’t we?

BigAnge on September 9, 2007 at 9:15 AM

William Amos on September 9, 2007 at 5:19 AM

We should let the Clintons and their shady contributors slide why? If a Republican contributor had done something 1/10th as shady Hilldog and her salivating army of media stooges would have hauled the guy into a Kangaroo court, just like Scooter Libby.

BKennedy on September 9, 2007 at 9:20 AM

I’m curious as to how much of this illegal money funneling was going uninvestigated by all those federal “prosecutors” that Bush/Gonzales recently fired? I’ll bet there is some connection. We also know that many cases of democrat voter fraud was going unprosecuted. I’d like to see someone from Bushs Justice Dept. hold a press conference highlighting these scandals and get them some more national exxposure. It seems Fox News is the only TV network covering any of this.

roninacreage on September 9, 2007 at 9:28 AM

Hey ordi, A passport needed for Alaska? Last I checked Alaska was the US. Don’t most cruises leave for Alaska from here? Even if it left from Canada, a passport is not needed. Your “friends” story is very suspect.

roninacreage on September 9, 2007 at 9:41 AM

Hmmm…. agent of the Tai-Pan of the Noble House?

Don’t know why they’d want the Dems in… but…. its all we’re missing here.

That… or… ALIENS!!!!!!!!

Romeo13 on September 9, 2007 at 9:45 AM

William Amos on September 9, 2007 at 5:19 AM

Because the big question is where did all this money COME FROM.

His businesses all appear to be bogus… basic fronts… and yet he’s throwing money around. I’m sorry, but no real business man throws that kind of money around unless they expect some return on their investment.

As to the Justice Department, this is a political case… somthing the justice department basicly sucks at. Add in the FACT that the Department has lost a LOT of credibility with the American people, myself included, and we want the press all over this.

Besides…. he’s connected with a Chinese X Ganglord FreeMason… I mean… if I read this in a novel I’d put I probably wouldnt finish it… too cheesy…

Romeo13 on September 9, 2007 at 9:55 AM

roninacreage on September 9, 2007 at 9:41 AM

I went on one of those. Left from Vancouver. And the cruise line required a passport for Americans.

But…, no passport has info. encoded in it about your purchases/activities. What a load of crap.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 10:10 AM

“No shoes, no shirt, ‘disoriented’ – it sounds like he had a nervous breakdown. According to a family friend who spoke to WaPo, he was hinting at suicide in the days before.”

If you were an international jet-setting gangster, this Hsu fellow sounds like the last person you would want to hire. I reckon he has used up all of his nine lives and would be wise to spend the rest of his life gardening, or working as a hospital porter. And when they say he was “hinting at suicide”, did he mean the gangster kind of suicide, whereby people have… accidents?

“William Amos”

This is actually a quote from the Talkleft piece – it’s not William Amos’ opinion.

Apeking on September 9, 2007 at 10:15 AM

she is dirty dirty dirty, and not in the fun way…

redshirt on September 8, 2007 at 11:35 PM

Gag…

JWS on September 9, 2007 at 10:36 AM

Sitting here watching the news and all I hear about the tropical storm about to hit the Carolinas and the report coming from General Petraeus. Nothing to see here move along. If this was a Republican scandal we would be hearing and watching this 24/7. The MSM really disgusts me!

KC-135A on September 9, 2007 at 10:41 AM

roninacreage:

I’m not trying to add to the validation of the story but a passport is required to cross the border into Canada:

http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html

serpentineshel on September 9, 2007 at 10:55 AM

JiangxiDad, I’d be smart to refresh the page more often, eh?

serpentineshel on September 9, 2007 at 10:57 AM

LOL. done that before.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 11:03 AM

Boy, the only thing missing is Jack Burton and Wang Chi having a kung-fu battle with the Lords of Death in front of the Wing Kong Trading Company.

ScottMcC on September 9, 2007 at 1:42 AM

For some reason this fits:

When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, looks you crooked in the eye and asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol’ Jack Burton Norman Hsu always says at a time like that: “Have ya paid your dues, Jack Norman?” “Yessir, the check is in the mail.”

kiakjones on September 9, 2007 at 11:08 AM

I get it. Our kids get brain damage from Chinese lead paint toys, our animals die from poisoned Chinese pet food, and we get reuse wood chopsticks, and the Chinese get to own the Clintons in the White House.

Seems fair to me. Whattacountry!

saved on September 9, 2007 at 11:25 AM

I went on one of those. Left from Vancouver. And the cruise line required a passport for Americans.

But…, no passport has info. encoded in it about your purchases/activities. What a load of crap.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 10:10 AM

.

I’m not saying it’s true but it is certainly possible. All the passport has to contain is an ID number or other means to identify you (which I’m sure it does) and that can be linked to a database somewhere that has all the other information.

imshocked on September 9, 2007 at 11:26 AM

imshocked on September 9, 2007 at 11:26 AM

Yes, agree it can be done. It isn’t now. When/if that happens, we’re lost.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 11:50 AM

Yes, the GOP is the party of the rich.

DrMagnolias on September 9, 2007 at 11:52 AM

I’m having trouble figuring our whether Hsu came up with this all by himself or is a pawn of someone in the Democratic party. I know he’s a con-artist and all that, but it’s perfectly possible that this very characterisitc made him vulnerable for use by others who wanted to by-pass the funding laws. Maybe his condition on the train might indicate that he’s finally figured out he was set up and would take the fall? Now, before y’all jump down my throat about being soft on Hsu—I’m not. I’m just letting my inate paranoia be in control for the moment. LOL

jeanie on September 9, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Boss, great article!!

Mooseman on September 9, 2007 at 12:24 PM

This is actually a quote from the Talkleft piece – it’s not William Amos’ opinion.

Apeking on September 9, 2007 at 10:15 AM

Oh, my bad…

Although it would have helped if he had the piece in either Blockquote or quotation marks…

BKennedy on September 9, 2007 at 12:30 PM

So the Freemasons are socialist Democrats? I thought the Freemasons were wealthy capitalist corporation execs…

:disappointment:

Tim Burton on September 9, 2007 at 1:19 PM

All this crap about ‘I’ll give the donations back if they’re dirty’ is closing the barn door after the horse is out.

After they won their election with dirty money, they could care less about paying the money back. They need to lose their office and be permanently barred from entering the Capitol building.

And I don’t care how many Republicans get caught up in it…election fraud is wrong on either side of the aisle.

James on September 9, 2007 at 1:22 PM

All this crap about ‘I’ll give the donations back if they’re dirty’ is closing the barn door after the horse is out.

Not to mention, what charities are getting this dirty money?
Not the ACLU, NARAL,Planned Parenthood, Holy Land Foundation, etc. by any chance?

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 1:30 PM

For Doubting Thomas’s check this out.

American Passports to Get Chipped
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2004/10/65412

Technology tracks goods, now people
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_H_rfid20.1d758c47.html

ordi on September 9, 2007 at 1:35 PM

On NPR this morning Larry Craig rated 3 minutes of commentary by the slimeball Dan Schorr. Coverage of Hsu – not so much, as in not a word.

drunyan8315 on September 9, 2007 at 1:38 PM

I don’t watch network news because of obvious bias. Are they reporting this story or investigating this?

tanmany2k on September 9, 2007 at 1:42 PM

ordi on September 9, 2007 at 1:35 PM

Yeah I actually had read about the new version passports, and know about the dog chips. I just meant that this stuff isn’t happening yet, not that it couldn’t.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 1:53 PM

All this crap about ‘I’ll give the donations back if they’re dirty’ is closing the barn door after the horse is out.

James on September 9, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Have you heard about Soros’ group, America Coming Together?

This story was largely ignored by by the MSM. What a shocka!

Discover the Networks
notes:

In August 2007, Politico.com reported that the Federal Election Commission (FEC) was fining ACT some $775,000 for having used unregulated soft money to help John Kerry and other Democratic candidates in 2004. The FEC determined that most of the $137 million ACT had raised for its get-out-the-vote effort that year, was derived from contributions that violated federal limits. The settlement was the third largest enforcement penalty in the FEC’s 33-year history.

Suits were filed with the FEC during the 2004 election cycle but they were ignored until the election was over. ACT shut their doors in 2005, and while people say that the plug was pulled because they failed in their efforts, I suspect it was also because they knew Soros and others knew it was illegal and it would make less of a news splash if they closed up shop before the FEC made their ruling.
Byron York writes about it here.

And we can thank McCain-Feingold for doing such a stellar job of ending corruption.

Buy Danish on September 9, 2007 at 2:12 PM

Not a word on this story in todays (sunday) Arizona Repugnant newspaper, how about others around the country?

redshirt on September 9, 2007 at 2:12 PM

No matter what the truth might be in this case … The Clintons will absolutely deny everything … will claim to have no knowledge in this matter … the MSMs will give them free pass … Hillary will claim that she has been the actual victim … the impeached one … the draft dodger … the liar … the pot smoker … the rape accused … the groper … will claim it ia an OLD story !!!

aniladesai on September 9, 2007 at 2:24 PM

James,

I screwed up the last link. Bryon York writes about America Coming Together here.

Buy Danish on September 9, 2007 at 2:25 PM

Completely ridiculous. But thanks for the laugh.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 8:13 AM

Yeah I actually had read about the new version passports, and know about the dog chips. I just meant that this stuff isn’t happening yet, not that it couldn’t.

JiangxiDad on September 9, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Nice back down. You went from “Completely ridiculous” to “I just meant that this stuff isn’t happening yet, not that it couldn’t.” It sure did not sound that way last night. I’ll let you slide this time :)

ordi on September 9, 2007 at 2:28 PM

I’m waiting for the Dem response that Republicans are jealous over the greater amount Dems have raised, so jealous that they are now going after the contributors to slander the Dem politicos. And who is the leader of the Republicans that they will point to? Say it with me, class:
“It’s All George Bush’s Fault!”
And of course, Rove resigned so he would have a free hand to wage war on the Democrats without answering to any committee.
Ridiculous? Hsu betcha!

Doug on September 9, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Hsu may be safe from suicide for the moment. but right now, across three continents, poor laptops, computers, hard drives, filing cabinets and other memory devices – living or otherwise – are suffering a wave of mass suicide as they spontaneously combust, throw themselves between strong magnets, dive under steamrollers and into shredders, submerge themselves into blocks of concrete and leap off of bridges - in that order. All voluntarily to be sure. Poor little tools. But, for the good of the nation, sacrifices must be made.

Unquiet on September 9, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Did the woman say if their tickets had been purchased with a credit card? If so, would running their name against a passenger list bring up their card number in the airline’s system – thus, cross checking against all recent activity on the card? Perhaps the screeners were testing a new system? Sorry about so many questions, but that would be the ultimate tracking tool. Great for TSA, not so good for passenger privacy.

24K lady on September 9, 2007 at 3:31 PM

“disoriented” = Westernized?

harrison on September 9, 2007 at 3:47 PM

the Hospital also said that Hsu had ID on him that identified who he was

William Amos on September 9, 2007 at 3:48 PM

24Klady

Sorry I don’t know the answers to your question. She did not say. Yes it is the ultimate tracking tool and very scary and an affront to our privacy.

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I don’t understand why some on this site find this so hard to believe or found it completely ridiculous when they first read the post. If these people would just think about it.

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Just watching the news we hear about the technology it all the time. Think about it.
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When someone is missing we hear whether or not their cell phone or their ATM card or credit cards have been used. So we know the technology is out there so how hard is it to add two and two together. It is only logical.

ordi on September 9, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Not a word on this story in todays (sunday) Arizona Repugnant newspaper, how about others around the country?

redshirt on September 9, 2007 at 2:12 PM

Please tell me you read that piece of garbage online, rather than wasting your money. Of course if you like to fish and clean em yourself…

JWS on September 9, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Not a word on this story in todays (sunday) Arizona Repugnant newspaper, how about others around the country?

redshirt on September 9, 2007 at 2:12 PM

Please tell me you read that piece of garbage online, rather than wasting your money. Of course if you like to fish and clean em yourself…

JWS on September 9, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Sorry, I pay for it, I like a paper in the morning! What’s my option? Is the Mesa paper better?

redshirt on September 9, 2007 at 7:26 PM

You gotta be kiddin’ me! Only one person got the Big Trouble in Little China reference?

ScottMcC on September 9, 2007 at 8:14 PM

Sorry, I pay for it, I like a paper in the morning! What’s my option? Is the Mesa paper better?

redshirt on September 9, 2007 at 7:26 PM

I think he means you should read it online (FYI, I checked my paper and 3 local news stations – ABC, CBS, NBC affiliates – and none had ANYTHING about the Hsu story)

RightWinged on September 9, 2007 at 11:47 PM