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Or, at the every least, the murder charges may be dropped and he’ll be prosecuted for a lesser offense.Either way, John “They-murdered-innocent-civilians-in-cold-blood” Murtha has a lot of ‘splainin to do.From Hot Air:Shocking or not? Read this……

If this is true, it is damning: A video taped from a Scan Eagle unmanned aerial vehicle – purported to show the action that took place in Haditha when 24 Iraqi civilians and insurgents were killed – was heavily edited……

Vehicle and soldier blown up.

Houses have been known to be booby-trapped, exploding and killing almost an entire squad as they entered one.

In war, people die.

Unless these soldiers drove out to a peaceful area and randomly started killing people, this entire inquiry is absurd.

It’s a war zone.

People, even civilians, die.

I agree with AZCON.

Commendations, not condemnations.

They get sent into an illegal enemy combatant sectarian hellhole, and they’re supposed to be tip-toeing around like NGO social workers?

It’s their job to come out alive, and let the other s.o.b. die for his side.

They have my gratitude for their bravery.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 3:05 PM
I pray your kid never has to endure this kind of cr@p…Oh and extend to him my humble gratitude for his service…
doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 3:12 PM

Yeah, us too. He was home this weekend for his sisters wedding and the night before he left, we had a real serious emotional talk about the ROE’s. The reports are true. ROE’s state that when an IED goes off, EVERYONE running is considered a threat. EVERYONE. This shook him up pretty good and even though he will perform his duty as ordered, he is concerned for his standing with God if he kills an innocent because of these orders. It was real emotional, and I wished I could take his place, because I would kill those bastards with extreme prejudice! Any son-of-a-8itch that refuses to point out the bad guys in their own towns and allows our troops to walk into ambushes when they are trying to help them has no right to my sympathy.

But he’s 19 and has to work this out on his own. He understands that they live in a culture of death and the mere attempt to save ones own life is considered an affront to Allah. I told him to shed no tears, protect himself and his buddies at all times and leave it up to God to decide who is innocent.

I have and will tell him of everyone’s unfailing support. It’s very much appreciated.

Peace and cheers.

If ‘civilians’ don’t want to get killed by our troops, they shouldn’t harbor terrorists. Damn near everyone in Iraq is armed, and it’s not like AQI has tanks or bombers, so the “We had no choice” defense is a bunch of BS.

He’s got an AK, you’ve got an AK. How can he force you to do anything, especially something that can get your entire family killed? Look at what happened in Anbar when the locals got sick of the jihadists. Kicked their asses clean out of the province.

Combatant or non-combatant, the enemy is the enemy. We didn’t try Curtis LeMay for war crimes, and at Haditha, the collateral damage wasn’t even intentional.

/rant

Yes, and that’s the question. Were they on the line?

Allahpundit on September 6, 2007 at 12:43 PM

Sorry Allah, for once I have to disagree with you. I’m not sure that you are fully qualified to evaluate that from behind your computer monitor. You are doing what this 2 time Iraq vet hates most about the liberal anti-war/CYA brass. You are questioning the actions made in the heat of combat… when the decisions made will determine not only your own survival, but those of the Soldiers you are charged with leading. You are questioning those decisions from the complete safety of your desk and with the luxury of months of 20/20 hindight.

How many times have we been burned by videos that only show part of the story and lack what lead to the end result (hello, Rodney King)? If they say they heard an AK-47, I believe them. Only those who are stupid or liberal, or both, would ask someone in combat to put their or their soldiers lives in more danger by holding back just in case that wasn’t really an RPG coming at you… maybe it was a kid with a really big bottle rocket? Where do we draw the line? How many steps do we have to have to allow our men to defend themselves? Gosh, not like we are at war or anything? The ROE in Iraq is better than say my deployment to Kosovo… but it is still full of stupid steps made by lawyers who sit behind desks.

Ever clear a room? You should learn. It is stressful in training, but nothing like the real thing…

Was video of action of the Haditha attacks doctored to bolster the prosecutions case against the Marines?From Newsmax:A video taped from a Scan Eagle unmanned aerial vehicle – purported to show the action that took place in Haditha when 24 Iraqi……

In my opinion the standard to which we hold our soldiers is higher than ever before and they suffer for our ninny self righteous abhorrence of the incredible hell they go through.

Speakup on September 6, 2007 at 1:02 PM

Yep. Fighting a morally acceptable war against a barbaric enemy not constrained by our strict ROE has got to be the hardest job on the planet. Hands down.

God bless our Troops. They’re making things work dispite the ROE, and they’re some of the most honorable individuals ever to walk this planet. Statesman Warriors. Grossly and sadly under-appreciated in their time.

The military is a big organization, and sometimes a rotten fish slips through the net. But the fact that some of our politicians see to crapping on our servicemen and women as often as they can is truly digusting.

I pray your kid never has to endure this kind of cr@p…Oh and extend to him my humble gratitude for his service…

IED placed in front of someones house that blows up soldiers without any attempt by the residents to warn the soldiers makes those residents at the least complicit at best the actual IED placers.

There is no rule of war that requires civilians to notify soldiers of an occupying power that they may come under attack.

I understand this may pi$$ off the soldiers, but it’s true. And if they’re equally complicity, do we kill them?

abinitioadinfinitum on September 6, 2007 at 1:28 PM

I give it a third!

Go get “Lone Survivor” and read about what happens when “sound military doctrine” is set aside in favor of keeping their butts out of civilian jails.

A good book review here and some blood boiling material here.

Yes, and that’s the question. Were they on the line?
Allahpundit on September 6, 2007 at 12:43 PM

I’d argue that their lives are always on the line. But that is not PC, so I agree that they were in imminent danger and were clear to protect themselves.

For some dang reason that Hoo-yah keeps reminding me of character played by Al Pacino (Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade)in the movie “Scent of a woman”.

Heh. Yeah.

Thanks for the link, Texyank.

Hoo-yah,

Christoph on September 6, 2007 at 1:37 PM

For some dang reason that Hoo-yah keeps reminding me of character played by Al Pacino (Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade)in the movie “Scent of a woman”.

Allahpundit,
I was just listening to Rush and he played what Sen.
Schumer said on the house or senate floor. It was on C-Span. He did one of the best anti-military speech’s
of his career. We owe the safety of Iraq to the
warlords. Not the U.S Military.
The scum has gotten a bit thicker in the Dem party.

Texyank on September 6, 2007 at 1:49 PM

http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070906/NATION/109060064/1001