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Open thread: Fred announces on Leno; Update: Web announcement video now live; Update: Leno announcement video added

posted at 11:12 pm on September 5, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Late night for the big A. If you’re staying up for it, feel free to sound off. If you just can’t be bothered, Geraghty has a sneak peek at the transcript. We’ll have the clip, of course, as well as the link to the 15-minute web video officially launching the campaign as soon as it goes live after midnight.

Update: It’s not 12:01 yet but the video’s live at Fred ‘08. Here’s the YouTube version. I’ll have comments after Leno.

Update: Finally. Here’s a quick cut of the moment of the truth; I’m going to tack on a few other choice bits for a slightly longer edit. Back in a few.

Update: Here’s the extended edit. The announcement is up front, select comments on the idiocy of the debate format and the extent to which America should pursue multilateralism in the war on terror follow. NRO has the entire segment with Leno but he didn’t say anything about Iraq or Iran that he hasn’t said before.

Update: Re: the web announcement video, that’s a lot of talking, son, and a lot of talking points, all of it synced up with head-bob choreography. I thought he’d start with a minute or so of addressing the camera and then segue into 10 minutes of video biography, a la McCain’s recent Vietnam ad, but on and on he goes. Clearly he’s trying to leverage the success he’s had with his radio commentaries: no frills, just a straight shooter calling it like he sees it, sans gimmicks — a neat trick for a Hollywood actor delivering a 15-minute oration with stagy head turns at key moments built in. The sheer volume of information and the pace at which he runs through it is daunting, though. God, family, peace with honor, secure borders, small government, a frisson of horror at the thought of another Clinton administration — it’s all in there, but it’s a lot to digest in one go and he seems to be rushing to shoehorn it all into the time available. How many people will sit through the whole thing?

Doesn’t much matter. He’s trying to make an impression and an extended Reaganesque soliloquy does that, at least. Thank god he’s in a den in a suit and tie, too. If he tried this in a denim shirt with the pick-up truck in the background, I’d be heading for the lifeboats.


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Cool! So does this grandma! Complete with the off road sports package! Grandkids love it!

ChrisIansNana on September 6, 2007 at 11:47 AM

So does this redneck grandpa – but mine has a camper shell and a nice gun rack for holding my muzzleloaders. Gotta have a place to put the deer, you know…

;-}

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 11:50 AM

Well, it’s time for Fred to put it out there.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:54 AM

His positions are out there. Too bad you’re too lazy to go check it out.

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 11:53 AM

None of them are going to be completely specific, but Fred hasn’t laid out one single position that anyone can say is specific in nature.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:08 AM

Give us specifics, give us specifics…then “None of them are going to be completely specific”.

Mitt is specific, a specific flip-flopper. The weakest of all candidates when standing up to attacks. Arnold would call him a “girlie-man”.

right2bright on September 6, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Oh, good. He’s a Fred!head after all.

Mallard T. Drake on September 6, 2007 at 11:32 AM

No, definitely not a Fred Head, patriotic conservative republican who will vote the party line for the good of the nation even if it means voting for someone he has personal issues with rather than cut his own nose off to spite Fred by sitting it out or casting a meaningless protest vote and ensuring a democrat win.

It’s called taking one for the team and if more patriotic conservatives had that depth of conviction Hillary or any other democrat wouldn’t have even a snowballs chance in hell of getting near the White House ever let alone in 08.

I think there is very little doubt that the knowledge of what he will inevitably do is the impetus of csdeven’s acidic rhetoric. He will support the parties nomination because in the end it is the principled thing to do and tactically speaking from a conservative point of view the only strategy capable of minimizing the damage done to this great nation by the corrosive socialist/liberal policies of the democratic party.

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 11:57 AM

well it looks like Sryia and Iran are taking the dems out of the picture.

war in the Middle east will drive Clinton back to the senate never to rise again.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:17 PM

Now he has, and you don’t have 15 minutes???

I mean, you probably spend several hours a day writing about him on here alone (who knows how much you do elsewhere). I’m sure you can scrounge up fifteen minutes today to watch it. After all, it’s what you’ve been waiting for.

Darksean on September 6, 2007 at 7:34 AM

No, I don’t. What can he say? My question is his performance in a hostile environment, not his conservatism. All he did is spout more conservatism that I expect from him. No big deal. He’s gonna go on H&C tonight and I’ll watch that until Sean turns it into a tongue bath. He said he was going to ask Fred the same questions from the debate, so we’ll see. I’d like to see Fred answer some probing questions into his funneling cash to his son. I know he said it was “common practice” in Washington, but no one has followed up and asked him then how he can run as a Washington outsider when it’s clear he IS a Washington insider.

And it isn’t a credibility issue for me. I wouldn’t watch 15 minutes of any candidates prepared comments. I haven’t watched Mitt’s, Hillary’s, Rudy (does he have a video?), and I wont watch Fred’s either.

I don’t need to be jerked off. I need the substance only an unscripted interview in a hostile environment can produce.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:21 PM

well it looks like Sryia and Iran are taking the dems out of the picture.

war in the Middle east will drive Clinton back to the senate never to rise again.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:17 PM

Well if the conservative blogsphere pundits are right (which I highly doubt) a rehashing of the multitude of Clinton scandals will bury her long before the Syria and Iran issue ever gets to the table.

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 12:23 PM

I don’t know about the French comments at the end of his interview. Once a cheese eating surrender monkey, always a… ah, you know.

congsan on September 6, 2007 at 12:24 PM

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 12:23 PM

Have you seen the news today?

syria hyping a fly over. Iran “offereing to help”

War games and training have been going on for months on both sides.

A “TET” move now before the report will be happening soon.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:25 PM

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:21 PM

which camp do you work for?

Rudy, Mitt, of John?

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:26 PM

progressoverpeace
Why would someone who’s smart and has a clear vision of what should be done not debate at every opportunity?

Because the debates have a way of making the participants look like petty, attention-starved little kids, and they barely deal in substance.

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 12:28 PM

Have you seen the news today?

syria hyping a fly over. Iran “offereing to help”

War games and training have been going on for months on both sides.

A “TET” move now before the report will be happening soon.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:25 PM

Yup, I saw that, did you notice my little disclaimer…”(which I highly doubt)”…??

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 12:28 PM

Mallard T. Drake on September 6, 2007 at 11:12 AM

Like I have explained to you in the past, you are woefully behind the curve. My issues with Fred were always his refusal to get in the race, yet act like he’s equal to real candidates.

I have no candidate. My support of Mitt or Rudy was a exercise in balancing the rabid Fred groupies. It worked. Little old me, along with 3 or 4 others, kept the pressure on the groupies to be constantly defending Fred’s rhetoric instead of allowing a orgy of insane Fred worship from taking over here at HA. You all owe us a debt of gratitude for keeping the Fred threads within the bounds of reality.

:-)

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:30 PM

You all owe us a debt of gratitude for keeping the Fred threads within the bounds of reality.

:-)

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:30 PM

Hah aha hah no please stop, you’re killing me…Have you taken your meds today? might what to check on that…

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 12:33 PM

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 12:28 PM

yes i agree that the negatives will not hurt her in the primary. the general will be something else. 8 more years of clinton? I would bring out the pictures of Bush 1 and Bill and say “Can we afford another 8 years of bush/clinton?” Tie Bush family with the Clintons and you have 70% of the people voting for your guy.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:34 PM

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:30 PM

Nope. Just made it plain that you hate Fred with a passion unseen since war of the titians

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:36 PM

And what’s with all of this talk about “running as a Washington outsider”? I’ve never heard him push that line.

This is hilarious… Fred is creating a level of derangment among some of you that I haven’t seen since Bush-Kos.

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 12:37 PM

His positions are out there. Too bad you’re too lazy to go check it out.
jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 11:53 AM

If what you are saying is that Fred’s video is nothing new, then I’m glad I’m not wasting my time. His rhetoric is common knowledge and he has promised nothing new in months.

Now I want to see him defend his crazier assertions in a hostile environment. Stuff like he will let the common foot soldier decide if we should stay or go in Iraq. I want to see him defend his statement about spy’s coming in from Cuba, because he is ignorant of the “wet feet, dry feet” policy of this country. I want to see him defend his weak record on immigration and his flip-flop on abortion. His lobbying activities should be explored.

The Fred groupies WANT to have their ears tickled by rhetoric. Smart folk want to watch how Fred will defend that ear tickling rhetoric.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:38 PM

Fred is saying something that the majority of people want to hear and think the same. the globalist elites do not want this message to get out there because their base of power will be lessened so the attacks keep coming

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:40 PM

progressoverpeace
Why would someone who’s smart and has a clear vision of what should be done not debate at every opportunity?

Because the debates have a way of making the participants look like petty, attention-starved little kids, and they barely deal in substance.

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 12:28 PM

Not at all. It’s a matter of competence. Someone who is smart and understands his own positions well cannot be made to look like a petty, attention-starved little kid, and such a person always deals in substance – no matter the context. No one but Ron Paul looked bad last night – though the debate was lackluster.

A fear of participating in debates – especially on the eve of announcing and as a perfect entree into the primary – is a bad sign that smells of fear more than anything else. It’s not that complicated.

P.S. One has a better chance of looking like a petty, attention-starved little kid appearing on Leno.

progressoverpeace on September 6, 2007 at 12:42 PM

which camp do you work for?
unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:26 PM

It’s called the conservative camp. Something the groupies put behind their hair renting obsession for Fred for.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Bloomberg just reported on Fred’s lymphoma. It seems the MSM is getting scared.

photom on September 6, 2007 at 12:43 PM

It’s called the conservative camp. Something the groupies put behind their hair renting obsession for Fred for.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Well since there is no conservative in the race that even comes close to Fred you must be out of work

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:44 PM

And it isn’t a credibility issue for me. I wouldn’t watch 15 minutes of any candidates prepared comments. I haven’t watched Mitt’s, Hillary’s, Rudy (does he have a video?), and I wont watch Fred’s either.

Fair enough. I guess that’s my own projection. I like to know what they whisper in your ear so I can compare it to what they say in the hostile environ, etc. Speaks to credibility to me.

Spirit of 1776 on September 6, 2007 at 12:44 PM

Just made it plain that you hate Fred with a passion unseen since war of the titians

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:36 PM

Unseen? “Unseeing” is a more appropriate moniker for you. Wake up, dig yer head otta yer a$$, clean the $hit outta yer ears, and stop trying to think. You are failing miserable.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:46 PM

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:46 PM

you know nothing but hate. you made that plain. anyone can see it. every Fred post you attack. You do not even take the time to see fred’s comments but you “know” the real deal. get a grip and lessen the hate. haters are not the best debaters as your comments show.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:49 PM

Prediction

csdeven attacks me not my point in 5, 4, 3, 2,…..

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:51 PM

And what’s with all of this talk about “running as a Washington outsider”? I’ve never heard him push that line.
This is hilarious… Fred is creating a level of derangment among some of you that I haven’t seen since Bush-Kos.
DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 12:37 PM

Yeah, riiiiight! Bwahahahahaha!!

Whats hilarious is that the groupies are so enamoured with Fred’s TV character, they don’t bother reading what he actually says.

The groupies are deranged, the real attitude you are seeing is disgust. Disgust that Fred is too scared to get into a debate and insists on safe scripted interviews. Just like Hillary.

Blech! But we’ll see how he does tonight on H&C.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:54 PM

A fear of participating in debates – especially on the eve of announcing and as a perfect entree into the primary – is a bad sign that smells of fear more than anything else. It’s not that complicated.

I think you read too much into it… the average American thinks all of these early debates are silly.

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 12:56 PM

Fred is saying something that the majority of people want to hear and think the same.
unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:40 PM

Really? You have some data that backs that up? Even Fred admits that his base of support is from his TV show. And he’s right. He hasn’t been challenged on his rhetoric and therefore people, except for the groupies, want to get to the meat of it.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:57 PM

My issues with Fred were always his refusal to get in the race, yet act like he’s equal to real candidates.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:30 PM

I guess that was some other csdeven I have been reading for the last several months. I could have sworn there were a lot more issues being harangued about Fred! every time he was the subject of a thread. You better check. Someone has the same user name as you do.

P.S. If you don’t state who you support while “vetting” other candidates, you let others define who you are. Justl ike one of the criticisms of Fred! about not getting into the race soon enough. Hmmmm

Mallard T. Drake on September 6, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Yeah, riiiiight! Bwahahahahaha!!

Whats hilarious is that the groupies are so enamoured with Fred’s TV character, they don’t bother reading what he actually says.

There is nothing in that article that supports your contention that Fred Thompson claims to be an “outsider”. Sorry dude.

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 12:58 PM

progressoverpeace on September 6, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Dang skippy with that my man!

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Fred was smart to miss the debate. Who is everyone talking about today? the winner of the debate? NO. Maybe the loser of the debate? no. The questions in the debate? No.

Well they are talking about Fred. Geez you think it was smart to skip the debate? yeap.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:59 PM

Bloomberg just reported on Fred’s lymphoma. It seems the MSM is getting scared.
photom on September 6, 2007 at 12:43 PM

Why is that fear of Fred?

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:59 PM

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:44 PM

McCain/Feingold
Lobbied for a dictator
Lobbied against victims of asbestos poisoning
Funneled cash to his family
Pro-abortion
soft on immigration

Yeah, REAL conservative credentials there bub.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:02 PM

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Yes loads of data. see “freedom” “less government” “federalism” “fixing government” and “secure borders” in any poll you want and look at the precentages. There’s your data.

The Lazy spin is actually a benifit for Fred. Most people would rather have the government do nothing than something.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 1:03 PM

Fair enough. I guess that’s my own projection. I like to know what they whisper in your ear so I can compare it to what they say in the hostile environ, etc. Speaks to credibility to me.

Spirit of 1776 on September 6, 2007 at 12:44 PM

That is a good point. Maybe I’ll take a few minutes and see if he says anything other than what I’ve already heard.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:03 PM

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:02 PM

And that is different form any of the others?

None at all

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 1:04 PM

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 12:49 PM

It’s called “disgust” O blind one.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:05 PM

Like I have explained to you in the past, you are woefully behind the curve. My issues with Fred were always his refusal to get in the race, yet act like he’s equal to real candidates.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 12:30 PM

Well, then I guess your work here is done, right?

Right??

Darksean on September 6, 2007 at 1:06 PM

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:05 PM

No it’s called hate.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 1:06 PM

The groupies are deranged, the real attitude you are seeing is disgust.

No, cs, YOU are the deranged one. And you get even more so with every post you make. I expect to see your head explode quite soon now, especially given that Fred! has officialy announced, and people are actually supporting him.

And the real attitude you always display is hatred. Pure. Unadulterated. Hatred. Bordering on insanity. Chill, have a beer, do something.

All that hate’s gonna burn you up.

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 1:07 PM

I think you read too much into it… the average American thinks all of these early debates are silly.

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 12:56 PM

Ok, here we go again.

Average citizens don’t vote in primaries. If you cannot grasp that, perhaps you should wait to voice your opinion until the general election comes around?

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:07 PM

Mallard T. Drake on September 6, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Deeper dude, think deeper and more complex. You are just scratching the surface and you think you’ve hit China. Keep trying. I’ll let you know when you have caught up with me in depth of grasp.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:11 PM

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Fred doing things his way? He sets himself up as the anti-Washington insider candidate.

Much of Fred Thompson’s charm lies in his seeming aloofness from Beltway politics. He hasn’t wanted to be president his whole life, he repeats again and again. He hasn’t made a career as a politician and doesn’t “need” to be president.

WHY oh why do I have to continue to point out to the groupies what Fred really is?

Dude, admit it, embrace his Washington insiderness. It’s the only way he has a chance to overcome the stigma of being a lobbyist. You know, the same profession as Abramoff.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:18 PM

All that hate’s gonna burn you up.

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 1:07 PM

Yea, but it keeps him warm at night…

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 1:20 PM

WHY oh why do I have to continue to point out to the groupies what Fred really is?

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:18 PM

Hmmm, maybe because you lack the common sense to know when nobody believes you or cares about the drivel you keep spouting?

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 1:22 PM

Yea, but it keeps him warm at night…

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 1:20 PM

Ah, you saw that movie, too, huh?

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Yes loads of data. see “freedom” “less government” “federalism” “fixing government” and “secure borders” in any poll you want and look at the precentages. There’s your data.

The Lazy spin is actually a benifit for Fred. Most people would rather have the government do nothing than something.

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 1:03 PM

That is mostly all rhetoric. My post at 1:02 lists what Fred has actually done. Big difference.

Bwahahahahaha!!! A benefit!!!! Oh jeeze you groupies are priceless! If Fred does nothing, then the status quo reins. It’s going to take tons of energy to dismantle the Washington juggernaut. In Fred’s entire career, he has done little to dismantle it, but he has been thoroughly involved in benefiting from it as a lobbyist etc.

The groupies refuse to see the reality because they are superficially addicted to the image.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:24 PM

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 1:22 PM

…drivel…

That about sums it up. Mixed in with copious amounts of spittle, no doubt.

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 1:25 PM

And that is different form any of the others?
None at all
unseen on September 6, 2007 at 1:04 PM

OH SNAP!!! Here comes the broadside dude!

Since you admit they are all equal, why vote for a guy with no executive experience when we have the mayor of the third largest government in the country and two governors running? They will hit the ground running while Fred will have to learn how to operate within an executive environment.

Thanks dude. You just shot down the vote for Fred.

hahaha

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:28 PM

Ah, you saw that movie, too, huh?

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Heh heh heh Oh yea…Wolverines………….

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 1:30 PM

Best political speech I’ve heard in years… now I’ve got to find copies of his books and read them. Finally, a literate politician…

Jonas Parker on September 6, 2007 at 1:36 PM

Ok, children, I’m moving over to the Haditha thread. Knock yourselves out.

Bwahahahahaa!!

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:45 PM

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Oh, you’ll be back.

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 1:52 PM

Heh heh heh Oh yea…Wolverines………….

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 1:30 PM

One of my favorites. They don’t make ‘em like that anymore. Today, it’d be called “jingoistic.”

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 1:53 PM

One of my favorites. They don’t make ‘em like that anymore. Today, it’d be called “jingoistic.”

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Yep, they sure dont. In fact that might have been the very last movie Hollywierd made where America wasn’t the bad guy and Americans werent all intrinsically evil unless they were self hating communist/socialist/liberal retards…

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 1:57 PM

I’ll let you know when you have caught up with me in depth of grasp.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 1:11 PM

Oh yeah, you’re deep. I bet you know the sound of one hand clapping and have snatched the pebble out of your master’s hand. Yeah, your deep alright, knee-deep in it. That is not a virtue, its just means your stuck in the same old sh*t.

Mallard T. Drake on September 6, 2007 at 1:58 PM

You all owe us a debt of gratitude for keeping the Fred threads within the bounds of reality.

csdeven = Hot Air’s lone conscientious objector.

ChrisM on September 6, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Hugh Hewitt (aka csdevan) has a dispicable post about Fred!s cancer.

We need to boycott this fool for disobeying Reagan’s 11th commandment.

All to sell a few more books, what a dickhead!

omnipotent on September 6, 2007 at 2:13 PM

omnipotent on September 6, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Just looked. Classless.

Spirit of 1776 on September 6, 2007 at 2:25 PM

Contact Salem Radio Broadcasting here and let them know about your feelings towards Hugh and any of his advertisers.

“Power to the People”

omnipotent on September 6, 2007 at 2:28 PM

Wow,if the despicable Hugh Hewitt and dishonest troll csdeven are representative examples of FlipFlop Mitt supporters, I’m glad not to be counted amongst them.

Hollowpoint on September 6, 2007 at 2:38 PM

“Yeah, they’re like school in the summertime…..no class!”

-Fat Albert

omnipotent on September 6, 2007 at 2:39 PM

Anyone who supports the candidate-in-drag, your sanctuary city mayor superhero, should have the patience to allow Fred! to participate in this process. If you have patience for a cross-dresser, illegal alien supporter, you can give Fred! a chance.

saved on September 6, 2007 at 2:40 PM

Anyone who supports the candidate-in-drag, your sanctuary city mayor superhero, should have the patience to allow Fred! to participate in this process. If you have patience for a cross-dresser, illegal alien supporter, you can give Fred! a chance.

Stay classy, Fred Heads.

Slublog on September 6, 2007 at 2:45 PM

Despicable. Some of these mitt? supporters will stop at nothing.

jdawg on September 6, 2007 at 2:48 PM

Screw Fred.

Jaibones on September 6, 2007 at 3:09 PM

Hey, did I just hear a clip of Huckabee stealing Newt’s line about having UPS track illegal aliens? What the heck?

Jaibones on September 6, 2007 at 3:09 PM

I second the “stay classy fredheads” admonition.

Remember, the other RINOS candidates are STILL ON OUR SIDE.

Besides, Rudy might have to shine fred’s shoes for second billing on the ticket before this thing is in the bag.

seejanemom on September 6, 2007 at 3:09 PM

Fred doing things his way? He sets himself up as the anti-Washington insider candidate.

Here’s the thing… saying that over and over doesn’t make it true. Neither of the two links posted so far have supported the assertion–at all–that Thompson is trying to pass himself off as an “outsider”. There are, however, a lot of people arguing that he isn’t a Washington outsider… in other words, there seems to be one particular strawman taking a lot of abuse.

If you cannot grasp that, perhaps you should wait to voice your opinion until the general election comes around?

Dude, are you, like… 9 years old? Maybe you should focus more on substantiating things that you say and spend less time on telling me when I can have an opinion.

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 3:10 PM

omnipotent on September 6, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Any candidates health is an issue. No one, not even Fred, gets the absolute moral authority card for their health.

Think about it. If Fred had hidden this and it came out, people would be concerned. Just because he got in front of it means that no one can be concerned?

Yeah, right.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 3:12 PM

Dude, are you, like… 9 years old? Maybe you should focus more on substantiating things that you say and spend less time on telling me when I can have an opinion.

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 3:10 PM

Just shut up and accept that csdeven knows what is best for you, when you actually do need an opinion on anything he will provide you with it.

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 3:17 PM

Hugh is a douchebag for this ploy and anyone with an intact soul knows it.

omnipotent on September 6, 2007 at 3:29 PM

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 3:10 PM

You can have any misinformed opinion you like. I was giving you friendly advice.

OK, I’ll play. If Fred isn’t presenting himself as an outsider, why does he focus so much on the differences between traditional Washington politics and his own are?

How do you explain his campaign in 94 where he donned bluejeans, flannel shirts, an old red pick up, and insisted people call him “Old Fred”? You do realize he was a lobbyist before his senate service right?

Here’s more.

And more.

And the beat goes on….

From his appearance today in Iowa.

In remarks prepared for the announcement, he cast himself as an economic and social conservative and Washington, D.C., outsider. He pledged to rein in spending, defeat Islamic terrorism and restore cooperation in a politically polarized federal government.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 3:29 PM

So what you’re saying is you’ve got nothing, and you just sort of made up the “outsider” bit?

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 3:33 PM

I watched something with Fred going to an agricultural fair in Gucci loafers (Might have been the golf cart (Lazy) video on Hot Air).

My feeling is that this guy is so full of himself that he’s useless. Same feeling I got from Clinton before we suffered eight years of him.

Hening on September 6, 2007 at 3:54 PM

You can have any misinformed opinion you like. I was giving you friendly advice.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 3:29 PM

If thats your idea of friendly you must be a Muslim…

doriangrey on September 6, 2007 at 3:56 PM

My feeling is that this guy is so full of himself that he’s useless.

Eh, I think he just doesn’t get into the shameless pandering, which I think will win him a lot of points. Like I said, the people in the debates come off as desperate and fairly pathetic. Of course, at the extreme end is Bill Richardson with his “reasons related to the Lord” on the Dem side, but they all look silly to me.

When Fred says that the other guys have been going at it way too early, most people are going to agree with him. It will be a moot point, anyway, in 3 months when I suspect Thompson will be the clear nominee. It will be a moot point, regardless, when its all said and done. Nobody is going to decide who to support based on when somebody gets in… that’s just stupid.

(Either the preview doesn’t work, or the formatting is broken, because new lines and spacing after block quotes don’t look right).

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 4:07 PM

(It’s the preview… it doesn’t accurately preview.)

DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 4:08 PM

Calling csdeven….

David Freddoso from today’s “NRO Digest”:

Why, of all days, did former Sen. Fred Thompson choose to announce for the presidency at the stroke of midnight today, on September 6? The real reason may actually have less to do with the timing of a debate than it does with obscure campaign finance rules.

The Federal Election Commission requires candidates to file a Statement of Candidacy form 15 days after a candidate declares, provided he raises or spends more than $5,000 on his campaign. After that filing, the candidate has ten days to file a Statement of Organization, establishing his campaign committee. Authorized candidate committees are then required to file regular quarterly (or monthly) financial reports.

Because Thompson announced today, a friendly FEC bureaucrat confirms for NRO, he won’t have to file a statement of candidacy until 11:59 P.M. on October 1. If his committee comes into existence on that date, then he can avoid filing financial disclosure forms for the third quarter of the year, which all the other candidates will have to fill out. In that case, no one will get a look at the campaign’s finances until January. It may just be that simple — today’s announcement, made at the stroke of midnight, means less paperwork and no one has a chance to pore over Thompson’s donors and campaign spending until mid-January, after the first primary has already taken place.

Nor would any complaint likely succeed asserting that Thompson’s announcement actually took place when The Tonight Show was being taped on Sept. 5 (before he spent big bucks on the primetime ad last night at 9 P.M.), which would, in theory, force him to file a report for the third quarter of this year. The moment of a candidate’s entry into the race, the FEC official said, is when the public is made aware of the announcement.

Brat on September 6, 2007 at 4:23 PM

The debate last night shows the REPs are terrified of FRED. I wonder why?

unseen on September 6, 2007 at 9:27 AM

Yeah, they’re terrified of the man who can’t bother to show up because he was too busy going on Jay Leno for what, a second or third time?

Please tell me unseen, or any groupie really, why the hell should anyone “fear the Fred?” He’s a lobbyist, a Hollyweird stooge, and a mouthpiece who has never done anything at all for the conservative movement.

As to your half brother’s sister’s cousin’s nephew helping the Reagan campaign doriangray, that’s irrelevant. The only thing Reagan and Thompson have in common is that they are actors. Reagan wasn’t a Washington lobbyist, Thompson was never in charge of anything more than his own ego. Reagan was a great communicator, Fred apparently communicates with strange body language. Reagan didn’t spend the few months before his announcement jerking everyone around.

Brat on September 6, 2007 at 4:23 PM

That’s nothing less than I would expect from a washington insider and a friend of the Clintons. Fred is looking more like Fred Clinton every day.

BKennedy on September 6, 2007 at 5:19 PM

The script for Fred Thompsons announcement was either written by a right wing think tank marketing psychoanalyst or a 100% American Patriot. FT seemed passionate about his reasons for running judging from the tears welling up in his eyes. It is tempting to throw in with him right here right now, but after all he is an actor!

sonnyspats1 on September 6, 2007 at 5:40 PM

So what you’re saying is you’ve got nothing, and you just sort of made up the “outsider” bit?
DaveS on September 6, 2007 at 3:33 PM

We’ve seen your schtick before. It’s nothing revolutionary so spare us the bother and yourself the embarrassment.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 5:41 PM

We’ve seen your schtick before. ……
csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 5:41 PM

pot->kettle=back
:-)

LegendHasIt on September 6, 2007 at 7:23 PM

One minute Fred Thompson is sitting on Jay Leno’s couch and the within minutes he transported himself to the New Hampshire debates on Fox.

The “Virtual Fred” has accomplished the impossible. His influence was subtle but effective during the debates..

I’m sure the attendees of the debate resented having to answer to Fred even though he was not there in person.

I could actually see their faces turning red…..

What a brilliant strategy. Fred will have a 30 second commercial, a Leno appearance, a 15 Minute Web Video, and “Virtual Appearance” at the New Hampshire debates. The rest of the candidates will have wasted their time on a debate that most people never saw..

No one will remember much about what the other candidates said in the debate…….

Nelsa

Nelsa on September 6, 2007 at 7:29 PM

I’m glad he went on Leno to do it. I find the debates – for the most part – boring. I did like the shot Huckabee took at Ron Paul especially the line about how it affects Americans not just Republicans. I would like to see Fred at some of these though I don’t think it really matters if he is or not. I think he just did it on TV because he could. I’m just glad he finally did it.

woodman on September 6, 2007 at 7:52 PM

it’s all in there, but it’s a lot to digest in one go and he seems to be rushing to shoehorn it all into the time available. How many people will sit through the whole thing?
11:12 pm on September 5, 2007 by Allahpundit

I enjoy your work.
Notice that,as of yet, no one is attacking Fred’s message. He’s only the lazy pro abortion lobbyist(which he is not) who has cancer and the trophy wife….By the way he is old too…and Oh I almost forgot he is and ACTOR…!!!

Fred’s message is clear and I agree with it. I am supporting Fred and hope he does well……There is lots of time and he will make the best of it. “Virtual Fred” will handle it all…. :)

Nelsa

Nelsa on September 6, 2007 at 8:14 PM

No one will remember much about what the other candidates said in the debate…….

Nelsa

Nelsa on September 6, 2007 at 7:29 PM

Yeah, and the people of NH wont forget Fred’s snub of them? They weren’t important enough to him to talk to.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 8:23 PM

Fred’s message is clear and I agree with it.
Nelsa on September 6, 2007 at 8:14 PM

Well that is the trademark of the Fred groupie. You ignore his actions in favor of his rhetoric.

1) Assaulted free speech
2) Lobbied for a dictator
3) Lobbied against asbestos victims
4) Flip-flopped on abortion
5) Soft on immigration
6) Lobbied for an abortion group
7) Funneled campaign contributions to his son
8) His organization is in disarray

Understandable, you would like his rhetoric, but your credibility as a balanced conservative suffers when you refuse to acknowledge Fred’s actual history of actions.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 8:28 PM

They weren’t important enough to him to talk to.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 8:23 PM

Exactly csdeven. Now you get it!!!!

It doesn’t help to have dodged the debate but in the long run it really doesn’t matter……..Fred got more exposure for what HE wants to say. You are right, he does have less time. Therefore he has to take advantage of every chance he can get to reach the people…..He accomplished that last night.

Nelsa on September 6, 2007 at 8:34 PM

It doesn’t help to have dodged the debate but in the long run it really doesn’t matter……..Fred got more exposure for what HE wants to say. You are right, he does have less time. Therefore he has to take advantage of every chance he can get to reach the people…..He accomplished that last night.
Nelsa on September 6, 2007 at 8:34 PM

What people though? Those who are only interested in the facade? The primary voter, the people that were at the debate, are interested in substance and Fred gave them Leno, a 15 minute video of rehashed conservative ideals, and an ad that was very lack luster.

csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 8:47 PM

What people though?
csdeven on September 6, 2007 at 8:47 PM

The USA Americans! lol The rest of us get it!

Nelsa on September 6, 2007 at 8:50 PM

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