WND: Hsu has connection to previous Clinton/China scandal?
posted at 9:37 am on September 4, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Sort of. WND claims he was recommended for his seat on the New School board of trustees by Friend of Billary Bernard Schwartz, who was allegedly allowed to sell ICBM technology to the Chinese military in 1996 after dropping some coin in the Clinton coffers. So far as I know, that’s unrelated to the Chinese fundraising scandal that came later, although WND sees fit to mention both in the same piece. Pretty clearly they mean to suggest (but never clearly assert, of course) that the Chinese government is helping to bankroll Hillary’s campaign with Hsu as their bag man. It’s unclear how Schwartz fits into that theory, although I guess by tapping him into the New School the argument would be that he’s introducing Hsu to influential circles where he can gain access to top Democrats (starting with New School chief Bob Kerrey). It’d make for a great movie — or a great sequel, rather — but it’s ridiculously tenuous thus far.
Still, where’d he get all that dough? Flip keeps on crunching the numbers and the sums keep a-pilin’ up. With all the aspersions being cast on him, you’d think Hsu would simply hand some records of his alleged Silicon Valley windfall to the Times and let them clear his name. As it is:
[F]or a number of businesses that Mr. Hsu has listed in recent years as his own, no corporation records are available, and visits to addresses he has given in campaign finance filings found no trace of them.
In one filing, he listed his occupation as a co-investor with a New Jersey fashion designer. But yesterday, the designer said he had never heard of Mr. Hsu and had never done business with him.
Reached for comment, Billy Jeff pronounced himself shocked, shocked at the impropriety of it all — even though Hsu arguably isn’t even the shadiest big donor in the Clinton camp. Exit question: This scandal isn’t enough to take Hillary down, but if it blows wide open, does it least sink Bob Kerrey’s possible senate run in Nebraska?
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World Nut Daily, AP?
Krydor on September 4, 2007 at 9:39 AM
Yeah, I know, but I’m duly skeptical.
Allahpundit on September 4, 2007 at 9:41 AM
It’s ok if debka confirms.
JiangxiDad on September 4, 2007 at 9:45 AM
A Republican Senator may/may not have tapped the foot of an undercover cop in an airport bathroom and it is headline news for days, meanwhile another Clinton politico has shady Chinese fundraisers and nary a mention anywhere.
A foreign power is influencing a candidate for President, again, who also happens to be the spouse of the first one, and this isn’t worthy of the MSM’s attention?
Neo on September 4, 2007 at 9:47 AM
There’s no proof that a “foreign power” is influencing anyone. Like I said in the piece, it’s ridiculously tenuous.
Allahpundit on September 4, 2007 at 9:49 AM
Your skepticism is justified with WND, but the Clintonista story with China is beyond shameful.
Whenever I get into “discussions” with my more liberal friends about Clinton and I say how awful a president he was, they say “Oh, ’cause he diddled an intern?” and I say “No…because he committed high treason by allowing the sale of advanced missile technology to China.”
Their eyes typically glaze over at this point…most Clinton lovers have no clue about the national security damage done by the Clinton administration in exchange for hefty donations to Democrats, whether from Chinese interests who wanted the technology or US corporate interests who wanted to sell it.
flipflop on September 4, 2007 at 9:54 AM
I heard that Dick Morris’ upcoming Clinton movie will cover Hsu. We shall see (if it get’s distribution).
JiangxiDad on September 4, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Maybe Jack Murtha’s pork barrel intelligence project is going to get to the bottom of this. We all know about his China complex.
gabriel sutherland on September 4, 2007 at 10:15 AM
Is anyone a little puzzled as to why this guy all of a sudden decided to turn himself in just before a holiday weekend, ensuring that he’ll spend at least a few days in jail before arraignment, when he’s been a fugitive for the last 15 years?
kjspeedial on September 4, 2007 at 10:28 AM
kjspeedial, now he can lawyer up and all questions are put on hold.
bbz123 on September 4, 2007 at 10:36 AM
Puzzled? Not at all. “In custody” is generally a rather safe place to be…
paragon27x on September 4, 2007 at 10:39 AM
All this kinda make ya wonder who dropped this little torpedo in the water, huh?
My money’s on Al.
mojo on September 4, 2007 at 10:40 AM
Great minds, etc:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/006964.html
mojo on September 4, 2007 at 11:14 AM
Yeah all the info is patchwork and speculation
However what is know is
a) Hsu has a lot of money for someone who was bankrupt to the point he fled the country in the 1990s to avoid debtors
b) Hsu went to Hong Kong which reverted to Chinese Control in 1997
c) The CLintons have a history of dealing with freindly contributors who are equally freindly with the Chinese.
d) they all seem to know each other and constantly intermingle
e) The Clintons are only returning Hsu money when others are giving awya Paw money and others money.
f) The democratic coffers have exploded in the past few years. They rountinely have trailed the Republicans but yet a lot of money is now going into their coffers.
g) The dems like hyphenated american donors. Chinese-American, Indian-American, Afro-American, ect and many of these donors have connections overseas.
William Amos on September 4, 2007 at 11:32 AM
In a REAL covert operation the connections are so ‘tenuous’ that they almost don’t exist. It is called ‘trade craft’; dead drops, cut outs, yada yada.
When you go to check the background, and discover that the claimed background doesn’t exits, that is your second clue. Which is why a real covert operation goes to great lengths to set up a real background. This guy not having a verifiable background is curious.
Now comes the difficult part, proving the connection.
If you are able to prove the connection, you are then in a dilemma, because presenting your evidence would reveal how you discovered the evidence.
The Clintons are submerged in ‘plausible denial’ as are all of the democrat party because those connections are so ‘ridiculously tenuous’. (How did Jane Fonda even get to North Vietnam, anyway?)
That is why. . . hhmmm watisname…James Angleton was sometimes ridiculed for paranoia because he saw plots everywhere.
rockhauler on September 4, 2007 at 11:32 AM
That’s prob. because they’re the party of minority, single-issue voters.
JiangxiDad on September 4, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Missed a couple of hyphens.
right2bright on September 4, 2007 at 12:41 PM
My personal experience with Clinton and “Chinagate”:
In 1997/98 two Special Agents from the Dept. of Commerce visited my small software company in suburban Philadelphia on another matter. (We had recently applied for an export license.) During the meeting, I asked, “What about the Loral case?” One agent looked down at the table, avoiding my eyes, and said in a very tense manner, “The White House took the Special Agents off the Loral case.” He then looked up and continued as if nothing happened.
So maybe we STILL don’t know all the facts about ChinaGate.
fred5678 on September 4, 2007 at 2:27 PM
The article is extremely well sourced, and provides dozens of details in making that “ridiculously tenuous” connection. Hotair seems to be more skeptical of well fact-checked WND stories than they are of any word out of the mouth of Dick Morris.
By and large, WND does exactly what journalism is supposed to do, inform people of stories about government exceeding its constitutional limits of power. But I guess they are just a bit too “Christianist” for some.
Freelancer on September 4, 2007 at 2:41 PM
Its too easy a leap from a bunch of unrelated facts into a full blown conspiracy.
The whole key is to keep getting facts so that you get the whole puzzle than just a piece of it.
Else you run into moonbat territory of assuming that all things are conspiracy related.
Keep digging is the best advice and get the hard core facts.
There is definately smoke here if not fire
William Amos on September 4, 2007 at 2:46 PM
What is there to be skeptical about? That Hsu is an agent and bag man for the Chinese Government?
I certainly am skeptical about this ludicrous statement from Bob Kerrey:
Puhlease. This would be hilarious if not for the fact that this fool was a 9/11 Commission member.
Buy Danish on September 4, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Remember the scene in Lethal Weapon when they’re at the range talking about lesbian sex and smuggling heroin and the whole thing seemed “thin”.
liquidflorian on September 4, 2007 at 4:25 PM
Hmmmm. In answer to Allah’s question about Bob Kerrey’s Senate run, maybe he is vulnerable as a Senate candidate.
From the Los Angeles Times, 8/31
It will be interesting to see whether it is true that Kerrey “recruited” Hsu, or if WND is right and it was Bernie “Loral” Schwartz’s idea.
Futhermore, Kerrey has set the bar awfully low if one has to be Osama Bin Laden or a drug kingpin for contributions to be questionable if you’re a Democrat.
Buy Danish on September 4, 2007 at 5:10 PM
Make that “furthermore”.
Buy Danish on September 4, 2007 at 5:17 PM
Hsu as a bag man for the Chinese government is a hypothesis very worthy of further investigation.
slp on September 4, 2007 at 6:42 PM
Of course, Hillbilly Boy didn’t know that Hsu was a wanted man. If he did, he would have sold him a pardon before he left office.
DAT60A3 on September 4, 2007 at 7:06 PM
Dont forget the NON candidate money that the dems got
democratic party money
William Amos on September 4, 2007 at 7:11 PM
What does the Chinese communist government have to do–hold your pencil and connect the dots for you? It doesn’t get any easier than this.
1. Clintons give–give–US defense technology to the Chinese government.
2. Clintons get quid pro quo campaign money from the Chinese government.
3. Sandy Berger–arguably a spy–makes a fortune lobbying for the Chinese government.
4. DIA analyst, Ronald Montaperto, hands out classified intelligence to the Chinese like it’s popcorn and doesn’t even get a slap on the wrist leading an intelligent observer to believe that–
5.–the Chinese government has infiltrated, or compromised, the CIA and the Democratic party.
We’re up to our necks in Chinese agents. There’s nothing tenuous about it.
ahem on September 4, 2007 at 8:11 PM
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