Video: Doubting Hollywood’s patriotism on The Factor

posted at 11:30 pm on September 4, 2007 by Bryan

Since Monday was a holiday, the usual Factor segment was moved to today. Topic: Why are Hollywood figures like Tim Robbins, Brian DePalma and Mark Cuban such idiots on the war? Robbins goes on TV and spouts completely bogus, made-up numbers on Iraqi casualties and is seldom challenged. DePalma and Cuban have produced Redacted, a faux documentary about a real war crime committed by US troops that was prosecuted and doesn’t represent the norm of US military behavior at all. They went to great expense and effort to create “home movie” style footage of the crimes, which include rapes, and while they say that Redacted doesn’t try to represent the crimes as common behavior for US troops, we should all understand: DePalma and Cuban have enormous wealth and influence. They’re so rich that neither really needs to work for a living ever again in their lives. Sitting atop their piles of money and twiddling their thumbs about what to do with themselves next, they chose to smear American troops who are fighting and dying to defend DePalma’s and Cuban’s freedoms. It’s a disgusting act as far as I’m concerned, and it’s indefensible.

So that’s the basis of tonight’s segment. Both Bill and Michelle made some good points here and there; the third participant gave us not much more than a pro forma “Why is it worth a Factor segment to talk about Tim Robbins?”

That’s an easy one. Because, like it or not, we live in a celebrity culture, and when a celebrity smears the troops on shows like Politically Incorrect etc and isn’t challenged right there and then, hundreds of thousands or even millions of Americans see it and internalize what they hear. They may not believe all of it right away, but if they hear it often enough, unchallenged, pretty soon it becomes what they perceive as common knowledge even though it’s a fabrication. Celebrities like Robbins know that; it’s why they speak up on political issues that are far outside the dress-up world they live and work in. So it’s pretty simple: Call out people like Robbins, who are either not intelligent enough to do real research for themselves, or they’re too lazy to bother discerning the truth for themselves, or they’re just liars who know they’re spreading falsehoods but they’re doing so for some purpose of their own, for who and what they are. If Robbins et al are going to go out of their way to destroy the reputation of the US military based on craptastic stats and bogus numbers and lousy logic, their reputations should be put to the test as well. Smears should not be left unchallenged, or they take on the aura of truth. Those who smear others shouldn’t feel like freedom of speech is their defender and they shouldn’t feel like they have anywhere to hide. That defender, armed with truth, should be the smear artist’s worst enemy. So it shall be with the likes of Tim Robbins, for spreading what amounts to propaganda that’s very useful to our enemies and does great harm to us. He’s either a fool or he has chosen to speak for the other side, as Jane Fonda did during Vietnam. If it’s the latter, then he’s a traitor now as she was then. And still is.

Now, I’m going to do something unusual and disagree with everyone on this segment when they say that we should all see Redacted. I don’t need to see it, and I don’t want to see it if my doing so puts one thin dime in DePalma’s or Cuban’s pocket.

Those two and Hollywood moguls like them have too much money and power already. In part because they are so wealthy, far beyond the average human’s imagination of how rich it’s even possible to become, they’re completely out of touch with the reality of the war, with the way the world works beyond their gated communities, and with the lives and actions of everyday Americans and especially of our troops and their hopes and struggles. They are so wealthy that they no longer have to care if there’s a market for the product they’re turning out. They’re making anti-American agitprop as a hobby, a self-indulgence, and they think pursuing their traitorous pastime makes them brave. If they were really brave, they would have gone to Iraq themselves and pitched their movie idea to the troops over there, but neither had the guts to do that or anything close to it. Both will dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back, and it’ll all make for some nice anecdotes at future cocktail parties. They’re misusing their fame and their money to undermine a war that we have to win if we expect our civilization to survive for very long. Maybe they don’t care about that, but I do, and I’m not going to help them make a movie that is indistinguishable in content and purpose from a film that bin Laden himself would make if he had access to the toys, money and people that DePalma and Cuban have at their disposal.

What we need is a new generation of Hollywood figures who get it: who understand the war, the stakes being contested in that war and the likely outcomes if we let DePalma’s and Cuban’s anti-war porn have the last word. DePalma and Cuban represent Hollywood’s decadent, corrupt old guard. Hollywood needs a revolution, Cuban and DePalma and George Clooney and everyone else in Hollywood who uses American freedoms to make anti-American garbage like Redacted needs to be overthrown, and I don’t see how my going to see Redacted or anything else that they make helps serve that purpose.

The only way I’ll see that film is if it costs DePalma and Cuban money. And it had better cost them a lot, or it’s not worth wasting two hours of my life to see it.

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This makes me even happier that my Warriors stomped Cuban’s Mavericks in the NBA playoffs this summer.

The Sinner on September 4, 2007 at 11:43 PM

The no-spit zone.

Speakup on September 4, 2007 at 11:44 PM

The only way I’ll see that film is if it costs DePalma and Cuban money. And it had better cost them a lot, or it’s not worth wasting two hours of my life to see it.

Perfectly said. That’s why I read this blog!

jaime on September 4, 2007 at 11:44 PM

I caught this segment tonight and had the same opinion about seeing the film. Why? I already know what it’s about. If I want to see fantasy, well, there’s always Harry Potter. I certainly don’t need to see a Michael Moore wannabe spinoff movie by another bunch of Hollyweird creeps. De Palma is hoping the right will lash out at him because it’s the only chance he has of making what he perceives to be a film that will make him relevant again. As much as I detest all things Hollyweird, you have to give that town credit for not lending such a has-been as he a significant film in many, many years. Let him die a forgotten embicile. I won’t be seeing it.

thedecider on September 4, 2007 at 11:45 PM

I agree, Bryan. I have absolutely no reason to see such propaganda.

bnelson44 on September 4, 2007 at 11:48 PM

embicile = imbecile

Heh – of all words to misspell…

thedecider on September 4, 2007 at 11:51 PM

Is this the first case of accurate but fake?

VolMagic on September 4, 2007 at 11:52 PM

Tim Robbins cannot hide behind the First Amendment if what he says or espouses is slanderous and libelous. All it will take is one incidence of one of our troops being denied a job, enrollment in a college, or some such thing because of anything injurious Robbins has said. Robbins has certainly said enough by now…

Woody

woodcdi on September 4, 2007 at 11:55 PM

Not one nickel for those two dirtbags. I do not need to bathe in garbage to know it stinks.

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 4, 2007 at 11:56 PM

thedecider on September 4, 2007 at 11:51 PM

Don’t be a moran!

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 4, 2007 at 11:57 PM

F— that. Sorry, I won’t act as an enabler for leftist scum who only want to smear the troops and help our enemies. We know who and what they are, and their goals and motivations–no way in hell am I helping them. Besides, why go see a movie when you already know the plot and the ending?

ReubenJCogburn on September 4, 2007 at 11:59 PM

What we need is a new generation of Hollywood figures who get it

Here’s why that can’t happen. Hollywood is part of the arts community. People who get into that line of work, actors, directors, cinematographers, writers, graphic artists, etc., are people who have gone to university, and worse, they have majored in the arts. Like their peers, they did so because of their personality, their character, their mind set and thus already leaned that way to begin with. They are fundamentally people of the human secularist way of thinking. Most are atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, or new-agers. It’s their nature to see the world the way they do. It’s not a coincidence that Hollywood is far left. Those people come to work already with a predetermined set of political world views. And if they didn’t have them by the time they entered university, they would certainly get them before they graduated. The professors today will see to that.

To expect people with moderate, or even conservative, much less Christian, views, to come into Hollywood is to expect the unnatural. People who see the world the way it actually is, with the cynicism required, are not the types to aspire to careers in the entertainment business. They aspire to business, to industry, to medicine, or just to raising a family. They are part of the real world. They do not inhabit an infantile, bubble-type existence of moral equivalence, new age religions, drugs, alcohol, and debauchery.

Conservatives will never be apart of Hollywood. Nor, for that matter, will they ever be apart of the news media for the same reasons. Conservatives will never be a major player in any of the professions stemming from education in any of the arts disciplines. That is unfortunate, for that is from whence we get our news, and our entertainment. But nature is nature.

jihadwatcher on September 5, 2007 at 12:10 AM

I should have included that “The no-spit zone.” is from Michelle’s site.

Speakup on September 5, 2007 at 12:10 AM

JayHaw Phrenzie on September 4, 2007 at 11:57 PM

LOL! What can I say? It’s late and work has been a killer lately. Haven’t had much time to come here and post recently. May as well just type the obligatory “De Palma and Cuban suck” statement and go to bed. G’night JayHaw.

thedecider on September 5, 2007 at 12:11 AM

I’m not going to see this movie, but here I have to agree with Bill over Michelle and Cuban over Bill. Crazy world tonight.

I think Bill is right in regard to the influence of Tim Robbins. And I think Cuban has a legitimate statement about seeing the movie before judgment is passed.

Spirit of 1776 on September 5, 2007 at 12:11 AM

Well, Bryan, you may have your wish because Mark Cuban wants to host a free screening of “Redacted” for what he calls “Right Wing Bloggers.” And I suspect you already knew about this because he asked Michelle to host it. I know this because he also asked me and told me he asked Michelle. But when you say “it had better cost them a lot,” how much do you mean by “a lot”? He’s a billionaire, so it would take a lot for him to feel it, and a screening is pretty cheap (since he owns the Landmark theater chain).

Debbie Schlussel on September 5, 2007 at 12:11 AM

Absolutely correct Bryan. I couldn’t agree with you more. The first time I heard about this terrorist smut film, I knew I wouldn’t be giving these ass clowns one cent of mine. I will also discourage my friends from giving them anything for anything they’ve done.

oakpack on September 5, 2007 at 12:12 AM

Well done Bryan.

Griz on September 5, 2007 at 12:12 AM

Nope, didn’t know that, Debbie, and coming from Cuban I doubt that it’s even true. Nice of you to attempt calling me out on something when I’m basically on your side, though. That particular tactic of yours, which you use often, isn’t endearing.

Bryan on September 5, 2007 at 12:14 AM

Hey Debbie & Bryan. How bout him and Rosey Depalma facing knowledgable people in a public debate?

oakpack on September 5, 2007 at 12:15 AM

I love cuban’s statement: “It doesn’t represent the norm; the movie doesn’t say it represents the norm. The movie is fully pro-troops. The hero of the movie is the soldier who stands up in the face of diversity.”

I’m guessing, just wild guess here, the soldier “who stands up” will have partaken or watches the rape. Then there’s gunfire/explosions in which the squad rapes the girl to hide it from their superiors and the soldier is torn up by guilt until he confesses.

Sounds strangely like another movie, both I’m sure terribly pro-troops.

TheEJS on September 5, 2007 at 12:15 AM

People who get into that line of work, actors, directors, cinematographers, writers, graphic artists, etc., are people who have gone to university

A goodly portion of the most vehemently leftist actors never finished high school.

baldilocks on September 5, 2007 at 12:16 AM

PS-I am surprised that Michelle did not mention about Cuban and the screening. That is relevant to what she said on the show tonight, about seeing the movie before commenting. It is not a secret. I mentioned it in an interview on the same movie, today, on Sirius’ “Mike Church Show.” But I’m not sure about how sincere Mark is about us seeing it before commenting. I always reserve final judgment until I see a movie in its entirety. But we know what it is about. And he wants to build buzz for an otherwise small-scale arthouse movie. By getting a lot of the right to attack it, he is building a buzz for it.

Debbie Schlussel on September 5, 2007 at 12:16 AM

The hero of the movie is the soldier who stands up in the face of diversity.”

LOL. I wish that were true. Then he’d be a real hero in today’s world.

Alas, I think he meant stand up in the face of adversity.

jihadwatcher on September 5, 2007 at 12:18 AM

What we need is a new generation of Hollywood figures who get it

What we need is for Hollywood to just stay the hell out of it.

Bryan on September 5, 2007 at 12:14 AM

Good on you, Bryan.

SouthernDem on September 5, 2007 at 12:20 AM

That’s just me being an “a” off.

TheEJS on September 5, 2007 at 12:20 AM

Good on you, Bryan.
SouthernDem on September 5, 2007 at 12:20 AM

+1

Spirit of 1776 on September 5, 2007 at 12:21 AM

Bryan on September 5, 2007 at 12:14 AM

I genuinely thought you knew. It is no secret and Mark knows I mentioned it on Sirius, though I will likely not host it, though not for sure. Although often accused, I am never trying to “call you out.” We agree on this. But again, I ask out of curiosity and good faith: How do you make it “cost them a lot” when the guy is a billionaire? I think it is impossible. I think no matter what that he does, you cannot make it “cost” Mark Cuban. He barely sneezes at those NBA fines. It’s a tough situation, same as it would be with the Saudi billionaire prince.

Debbie Schlussel on September 5, 2007 at 12:21 AM

A goodly portion of the most vehemently leftist actors never finished high school.

Only if they had famous relatives in the business. Otherwise, the vast majorty “studied” acting in some post-secondary environment.

jihadwatcher on September 5, 2007 at 12:22 AM

Debbie Schlussel on September 5, 2007 at 12:11 AM

It’s just a cheap publicity stunt, and I hope you all stick to your guns on this one and not attend. Cuban is just trying to sell his product – that’s what he does best. It’s a win/win for him. If you all attend the free screening and come out of there with positive reviews (highly unlikely), he wins and gets more people to see the movie – if you all come out of there and blast the movie, he wins again because it is now a “really controversial film” and people will not be able to help themselves and will see it.

Rick on September 5, 2007 at 12:22 AM

It’s a rhetorical statement, Debbie. I’m not buying a ticket and it’s not worth seeing unless my seeing it can somehow hurt the people who produced it. There’s no math to do here, but if you want some here goes.

If asked I’d host the stupid screening and I’d use the opportunity to blast the film from every angle, but I’d also stipulate that he donate all the proceeds from his theaters on the screening day to Soldiers Angels or a similar charity that supports the troops and/or their families. That would kill the screening, and would also prevent me from having to sit through the film. It would not prevent me from blasting away at Cuban and DePalma, though.

Bryan on September 5, 2007 at 12:27 AM

A goodly portion of the most vehemently leftist actors never finished high school.

Only if they had famous relatives in the business. Otherwise, the vast majorty “studied” acting in some post-secondary environment.

jihadwatcher on September 5, 2007 at 12:22 AM

“Studied” is correctly sneer-quoted.

baldilocks on September 5, 2007 at 12:28 AM

Bryan:
That is a great idea–about the proceeds to Soldiers’ Angels. I do think, though, that there is a good sign out of the fact that he is paying attention to the power conservative bloggers like Michelle and others have. Though I do think that the DePalma interview also posted on HA about the Drudge headline is him wearing the right wing attack as a martyr to hype his tiny movie and is completely phony, as you may have noted (I did not read that entry).

Debbie Schlussel on September 5, 2007 at 12:31 AM

“sneer-quoted” I like that.

oakpack on September 5, 2007 at 12:32 AM

I don’t want to see it if my doing so puts one thin dime in DePalma’s or Cuban’s pocket.

Amen Bryan. Same reason I refuse to see a Michael Moore movie. There’s no reason to pay the purveyors of propaganda.

infidel4life on September 5, 2007 at 12:36 AM

Conservatives will never be apart of Hollywood. Nor, for that matter, will they ever be apart of the news media for the same reasons. Conservatives will never be a major player in any of the professions stemming from education in any of the arts disciplines. That is unfortunate, for that is from whence we get our news, and our entertainment. But nature is nature.

jihadwatcher on September 5, 2007 at 12:10 AM

What you say is true, as far as it goes my friend, but the tools of production have gotten so good and so cheap now that Conservatives like me (and many others MUCH more talented than I’ll ever be) can compete competently with the left coast.

And with hollywood’s pretty much complete lack of imagination and originality, (see reality TV and movie sequels ad nauseum), I really believe there’s a deep hunger for something different and better. It’s coming, but it takes time to ramp up knowledge and experience.

hollywood is dead. It just doesn’t know it yet.

techno_barbarian on September 5, 2007 at 12:37 AM

Bryan, you nailed this one. Indefensible indeed.

T J Green on September 5, 2007 at 12:42 AM

jihadwatcher on September 5, 2007 at 12:10 AM

I’ve heard that there are some closet conservatives living among the leftist brigade that is Hollywood. Every so often we get to see some of them come out of that closet – like Dennis Miller, Bruce Willis, Fred Thompson, etc.

Rick on September 5, 2007 at 12:42 AM

I’m with you on that Bryan. I was a bit thrown off when Michelle said to watch the thing. I have to imagine she means wait till we see a script or the pre-release showing before ripping into De Palma and Cuban. Again, isn’t Cuban the tool funding the truther movie?

Bryan, good piece.

Bad Candy on September 5, 2007 at 12:48 AM

Amen Bryan. Same reason I refuse to see a Michael Moore movie. There’s no reason to pay the purveyors of propaganda.

infidel4life on September 5, 2007 at 12:36 AM

Yeah, I’m not pre-judging the movie, I’m judging the people who made it, based on the abundant evidence in the public record. Why the hell anybody would think I’d support the enemies of everything I believe in is beyond me.

ReubenJCogburn on September 5, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Again, isn’t Cuban the tool funding the truther movie?

Bad Candy on September 5, 2007 at 12:48 AM

Yes, and he said the same thing – “watch it” so you could make up your own mind. I did watch the actual events on that day, and my mind is made-up. He’s also the same moron that sued Don Nelson (former Mavs coach and current Warriors coach) for allegedly using confidential trade secrets to beat the Mavs in last season’s first round of the playoffs.

Rick on September 5, 2007 at 12:57 AM

Let’s see, DeP. could have done a film:

A) that opposed the real enemy of our Civilization, perhaps by making a film about the malevolent and instructive career of the jihadi Zarqawi, a “Meet My Little Friend” style lunatic if ever there was one. And showing his descent into Islamofascistic hell, from Nick Berg to the day the house fell on his deserving, psychotic ass.

Or,

B) DeP. could have aided the enemies of our Civilization by undermining and slandering the very troops who make Western film-making and liberties possible, and who form the bulwark against retrograde theocratic maniacs like Zarqawi, Mullah Omar, Zawahiri, KSM, and Bin Ladin.

Which he chooses exposes his soul.

Which looks like a blind, translucent cave fish.

Fighting the wrong enemy, at the wrong time.

Self-indulgent, suicidal schmuck.

profitsbeard on September 5, 2007 at 1:02 AM

Now, I’m going to do something unusual and disagree with everyone on this segment when they say that we should all see Redacted. I don’t need to see it, and I don’t want to see it if my doing so puts one thin dime in DePalma’s or Cuban’s pocket.

Oh, I might watch it… if I can find a pirated copy somewhere.

Actually, no I won’t, pirated or not. I know it would be just another crock and I won’t waste my time. I have better things to do, like wash and wax the cat, shave the dog, etc.

Texas Nick 77 on September 5, 2007 at 1:08 AM

Doubting Hollywood’s patriotism on The Factor

Questioning someones patriotism because they are against the war is bogus and a cheap smear, especially if the person questioning the other persons patriotism has never served and the person who’s patriotism is being question has.

Not only that but it is a loser and just makes the accuser look bad, not the accused.

Very bad tactics.

MB4 on September 5, 2007 at 1:13 AM

I’m with you Bryan, no way will I waste time or money on movies like this. Contributing to the wealth, power, and influence of your enemies, so they can do even more harm, is madness.

Herikutsu on September 5, 2007 at 1:15 AM

That’s an easy one. Because, like it or not, we live in a celebrity culture, and when a celebrity smears the troops on shows like Politically Incorrect etc and isn’t challenged right there and then, hundreds of thousands or even millions of Americans see it and internalize what they hear. They may not believe all of it right away, but if they hear it often enough, unchallenged, pretty soon it becomes what they perceive as common knowledge even though it’s a fabrication.

Very true. I recently got into an argument with a family member regarding this very issue. She argued that what Hollywood portrays as anti-American and anti-troops is stuff that actually does happen, and that there is nothing wrong with Hollywood making movies about it. She then told me that I didn’t have to see it if I didn’t want to. While her comments may hold some truth, she fails to recognize the leftwing bias exhibited by Hollywood. There is no recognition of the fact that Hollywood does not make any movies that show our troops in a positive light (or our government, for that matter).

When was the last time anybody here saw a movie about our troops, government, law enforcement, etc., doing the right thing and not acting in a corrupt and criminal manner? I’ll bet anyone that if we end up with a Dem president in ’09 – it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing poor, misunderstood and embattled president movies again (ala Primary Colors, The American President, Dave…).

Rick on September 5, 2007 at 1:18 AM

Has anybody else noticed this trend?

When somebody releases a movie or dares to air a TV/YouTube ad that is pro-troop, it is propagaaanda.

When somebody releases a movie that is anti-troop, it is merely a thoughtful documentary that “everyone should go see”.

I don’t understand why we have to be so cordial to these people and “not question their patriotism”. Why not? Because I don’t think the other side of the debate got the memo about this whole “new tone” thing. It seems the gloves have been off ever since Al Gore was forced to concede… but one side has failed to acknowledge this.

Why the President’s bully pulpit hasn’t been frequently used to combat this never-ending 1960′s tripe just baffles me to no end. What’re the odds the President will call DePalma out in public and shame him for what he’s done? I’m not holding my breath.

Dave Shay on September 5, 2007 at 1:20 AM

Questioning someones patriotism because they are against the war is bogus and a cheap smear, especially if the person questioning the other persons patriotism has never served and the person who’s patriotism is being question has.

Just wondering which of the fellows mentioned in the article has served in the military. I don’t know their background so I might be missing something.

terryannonline on September 5, 2007 at 1:21 AM

Questioning someones patriotism because they are against the war is bogus

There’s a difference between not liking the war and advancing snuff propaganda that our enemies would be proud of.

And what frakking right do you have to decide on MM being able to question someone’s patriotism? You make such broad statements you criticize other for.

Founding Fathers made it know that America was following the ancient Greek traditions, and in places such as Sparta, you could receive a burial by either falling in combat or dying while in childbirth. Both were look upon equally there:
A good citizen of the republic.
Just because you weren’t under arms never meant you didn’t serve.

Reminds me of “live for the one, die for the one- but it’s strange you put emphasis on the latter.”

TheEJS on September 5, 2007 at 1:24 AM

Great post again Bryan. I too am one who refuse to give them my money. Anything put in their purse is blood money.
Only the repo-man will change Hollyweird.

Limerick on September 5, 2007 at 1:26 AM

Dave Shay-

You don’t need to question their “patriotism” (because even Mao’s Red Guard may have been “patriotic”), you only need to question their survival instincts.

Or, put more simply, their rationality.

They are engaged in actively eroding the forces who are keeping them alive and free (using ‘cheap shot’, sensationistic, anti-military material, about a rare and meaningless occurence, committed by a few criminals, who were caught, and tried)

-and are simulateously giving free, technicolor ammunition and comfort and encouragement to a brutal, amoral, terroristic enemy who would have their heads removed with a butcher knives, and filmed for a jihadis recruitment video, in 60 seconds or less, just because they are decadent Western infidel, Hollywood dogs.

Their “patriotism” is immaterial to me.

I question their sanity.

profitsbeard on September 5, 2007 at 1:32 AM

A true American icon

Mojack420 on September 5, 2007 at 1:32 AM

Questioning someones patriotism because they are against the war is bogus and a cheap smear, especially if the person questioning the other persons patriotism has never served and the person who’s patriotism is being question has.

No, the “cheap smear” is what is being done by people like DePalma, Robbins, Penn, Baldwin, etc., when they go out of their way to make false and/or unverified claims about what is actually taking place over there. It would be different if these people were just arguing that they thought the war was wrong, and that we shouldn’t be there – but that’s not the case. They are using their very public voices to spread falsehoods about our country, and about the troops that protect their very right to spew this garbage. It’s truly sickening, and yes, I do question their patriotism.

Rick on September 5, 2007 at 1:33 AM

Rick on September 5, 2007 at 1:33 AM

So question the smearer’s (and I certainly would not but it past them) patriotism?

Foolish tactics as you give up a lot of your otherwise high ground.

Much better to parody them.

MB4 on September 5, 2007 at 1:42 AM

Mojack420-

Thanks.

The Duke only forgot one verse:

Have you heard the bell of Liberty
Ringing through the scenes
Of Philadelphia, birthplace
to all our brightest dreams
?

profitsbeard on September 5, 2007 at 1:44 AM

The only way I’ll see that film is if it costs DePalma and Cuban money.

Pirate it off the Interbutts…. I’m not going to because I’ve already seen this movie back when it had Spicolli and Alex Keaton in it.

I love this blog and what its doing to combat this new “winter soldier-ism”. These people think their tripe is too good to fact check, and I’m glad we have a resource to level the intellectual boom on them.

liquidflorian on September 5, 2007 at 1:46 AM

Parody them Rick, something like this:

John Kerry’s secret MySpace entry:

Hi there fellow bloggers. My name is United States Senator John Forbes Kerry from the great state of Massachusetts. You can call me JFK if you want. I was born on December 11, 1943, although people tell me that I look at least 20 years younger. It’s probably my great hair and rugged good looks.

I graduated from Yale in June 1966 in the top 1% of my class. To earn extra money during the summers, I loaded trucks in a grocery warehouse and sold encyclopedias door to door. That is probably one of the reasons that I am so humble. Over my four years at Yale, I maintained a 96
grade average and received a 101 average in my senior year.

I am one of the most senior members of that grand and much loved and respected institution known as the U.S. Senate. Probably the only living Senator even a little bit greater than me is my dear friend Ted Moore Kennedy. I also have a very high IQ. Very high. Much higher than that creep who stole the election from me. I know that he stole it because
exit polls are never ever wrong.

I am also a great war hero. I set all kinds of records for heroism when I was in Vietnam. I was grievously wounded at least three times yet continued to insist on staying in the fight when lesser men would have given up. I won the bronze star with extra V’s for extra valor and the Silver Star for defeating a whole battalion of NVA with my bare hands.

I sometimes like to chill out after a long day of serving the American people by having a double martini with my good friend Ted. We usually have a servant bring 21 double martinis. I get one and Ted gets one for each of his fingers and each of his toes. Contrary to what some of my very few enemies say I never marry women for just their money. They must also have a pulse. BTW, did I mention that I was in Vietnam? I wasalso in Cambodia, so don’t forget that!

I would like to think that I am open minded, honest, polite, heroic and trustworthy. And I appreciate the same qualities in others although I am realistic enough to know that no one else could come close to me.

Who I’d like to meet:
…other progressive bloggers. Other great war heroes who hate that damn S-T-U-P-I-D Texan in the White House. Cool people who live close to Washington D.C. so that we can get together, talk about you for about 30 second and then spend about 3 hours talking about me. BTW, did I mention that I was in Vietnam and Cambodia? Just one more BTW, if anyone has found my magic hat please return to me.

MB4 on September 5, 2007 at 1:48 AM

I always think it’s funny when these types rail against “privatization”. I mean how dare the Iraqi’s get to own a piece of their economy. (eye roll)

- The Cat

MirCat on September 5, 2007 at 1:51 AM

Now, I’m going to do something unusual and disagree with everyone on this segment when they say that we should all see Redacted. I don’t need to see it, and I don’t want to see it if my doing so puts one thin dime in DePalma’s or Cuban’s pocket.

Just wait. If you really want to see it, someone will post a bit-torrent and you can download the movie and watch it for free. Though, I don’t know why anyone would want to watch it.

I downloaded Sicko since I wasn’t going to put any cash in Mikey Moore’s pocket. However, literally after about 15 seconds of his “sincere and concerned” narration that opened the film, I couldn’t take it. I deleted the file and that was that.

Mallard T. Drake on September 5, 2007 at 2:41 AM

BTW Tim Robbins, where’s all the oil that the USA is plundering from Iraq? Come talk to me when the price at the pump is under $2.00 a gallon.

Mallard T. Drake on September 5, 2007 at 2:42 AM

Great post, Bryan! You explained the situation perfectly.

emmaline1138 on September 5, 2007 at 2:59 AM

To borrow from a very early American slogan …

“Millions for defense, not one cent for Hollywood”!

hadsil on September 5, 2007 at 3:14 AM

Outstanding post Bryan. I agree with every word.

PBoilermaker on September 5, 2007 at 4:27 AM

People like Robbins burn our flag with their words!
I support the freedom of speech but it does not protect freedom of slander.
People should be held to account when they make grossly inaccurate statements.
They should at least be indicted not criminally but at least in away that clears the record and shows the public the truth.

TheSitRep on September 5, 2007 at 6:45 AM

profitsbeard on September 5, 2007 at 1:02 AM

What he took was the safe path that allows him to walk the streets of other countries in safety. In his world it’s downright stupid to make a movie that is even remotely pro-USA. A pro-Bush movie? Well we need not got there. Talk about a WMD. It would be like “Mars Attack” without the helmets to contain the slime.

jmarcure on September 5, 2007 at 7:02 AM

I for one would prefer Hollyweird and a rich Mark Cuban
be patriot hereos and spend their wealth
helping the military families and the troops with
vacations, trips home, family aide…versus political
goblee gook….

daddee02004 on September 5, 2007 at 7:54 AM

This is an interesting post. More and more I understand why the “progressive” Hollywood types scream so loudly about freedom of speech and civil liberties… they wouldn’t be able to produce the stuff they do without them. Many movies that come out of Hollywood have an obvious bias, even ones that aren’t supposed to be political ones. I don’t need to see this particular one to make my blood boil, and for every movie I do see, whether it’s based on “true facts” or not, it’s all fantasy, it all came out of someones head. I may be moved by this movie or that one, but I can not take anything seriously that comes from Hollywood.

4shoes on September 5, 2007 at 7:55 AM

especially if the person questioning the other persons patriotism has never served and the person who’s patriotism is being question has.

Not only that but it is a loser and just makes the accuser look bad, not the accused.

Very bad tactics.

MB4 on September 5, 2007 at 1:13 AM

I served. I’m I allowed to question their patriotism?
Wait, it wasn’t during war time so does that mean I can only be anti-war?
But, my nephew is currently pounding dirt and dodging IEDs in Iraq so I can question?
No, I don’t think so because I did discourage my son from joining so that puts me back in the anit-war crowd. Right?
My sons best friend was just deployed to Iraq. Does that negate my discouraging my son?
I’m so confused! What I’m I to do? After all I’m just a bible owning, gun toting, hick with no front teeth, all true by the way, and too stupid to think for myself.

I’m so sick of the very immature and childish, (redundant but I feel needed), argument that if you haven’t done it then you are not qualified to comment on it. It is just so stupid. I can’t but it any other way. If it were even remotely valid then none or few of us could comment on or hold opinions on anything. Heck, we wouldn’t even be qualified to vote for president as few if any of us have served in the congress never mind as the president. Although I was the president of a company but I don’t think that counts.

By the way.

Patriotism is defined as love of country and has nothing to do with serving in the military during war. I add war because sure as heck if I say serve in the military the bar gets moved to war and then Iraq and then what ever it takes to discount the person’s opinion.

jmarcure on September 5, 2007 at 8:26 AM

Good post.

What is truely sickening is that this movie will probably be nominated for (and win) an Oscar next time.

CrazyFool on September 5, 2007 at 8:38 AM

“You shouldn’t judge a movie until you’ve seen it.”

I disagree heartily. I didn’t really want to see “Munich” because I had a feeling I knew what it was going to be like. I decided to see it, against my better judgement. Yeah, I shouldn’t have bothered. It was terrorist apologizing anti-Israel propaganda. Plus, my goodness, it was boring. How do you make a movie about the Mossad boring?
I guess since I’m a “hick,” I don’t understand the message Spielberg was going for. No, no, I got it. Don’t fight terrorism, don’t even bother. All you’re doing is creating more terrorists. Just lay down and take it. Israelis are nothing but a bunch of stupid thugs. They are getting what they deserve when Palestinians massacre them.
As for this planned movie, I know American troops, I adore them. They’re an amazing group of men and women. Oh, there are some bad people there (just like everywhere). But by and large, the American movie is full of amazing, brave, self sacrficing people.

DePalma and Cuban can take their movie and, well, you know.

mjk on September 5, 2007 at 9:02 AM

Sorry, not “the American movie”, the American Military. My goodness, I’m not a good proofreader.

mjk on September 5, 2007 at 9:03 AM

MB4 on September 5, 2007 at 1:13 AM

I can’t say that it makes a dime’s difference to me what you think, but I did serve, and I do question DePalma’s and Cuban’s patriotism for making Redacted. There are hundreds, probably thousands, of stories of heroism and sacrifice involving our troops in Iraq. They chose to focus on a crime instead, and spent months and millions to tell that story. Shame on them.

Bryan on September 5, 2007 at 9:10 AM

And I suspect you already knew about this because he asked Michelle to host it. I know this because he also asked me and told me he asked Michelle.

Ahem. Not that anyone asked me, but I have not heard anything from Mark Cuban. And I don’t listen to the Mike Church show, so I didn’t hear about that either.

Michelle on September 5, 2007 at 9:16 AM

I hear Depalma’s next project is a prequel to his magnum opus The Untouchables. We’ll get to watch DePalma cannibalize his films for the umpteenth time.

There truly is nothing new under the sun in Hollywood. Garbage like this is why I rent a lot of foreign films. They tend to be more story and character driven and are free from personalities that make you wretch.

Mike Honcho on September 5, 2007 at 9:16 AM

Hey after De Palma’s monumental dreck of a movie “The Black Dahlia” – he should just slink away.

Hilts on September 5, 2007 at 9:41 AM

Bryan-

It would be like making a movie about (D-Day/Iwo Jima/Sicily) solely concerned with the story about a (French/Japanese/Italian) woman raped by a criminal G.I. who was then hanged for his attack.

We know DeP’s intent:

U.S. -bad; non-U.S., good.

You can distribute all of the self-defeating stories about our flaws after we’ve crushed the intolerant, misogynistic, imperialistic global jihadist movement.

Doing it while we’re in the middle of this war only strengthens the will and hopes of the future Uber-Taliban.

In the past, you were reasonably expected to save you skins first before you started artistically skinning yourself.

He and his America-Laster cohorts fail to see any meaning in the slaughter of Theo Van Gogh, a fellow “ultra liberal” film-maker, by an Islamic militant, on the street of his hometown, Amsterdam.

You’d think there might be a film in that.

Except that such a story would require actual- not Hollowood- courage to make.

Which shows the true condition DeP’s gelatinous spine.

profitsbeard on September 5, 2007 at 9:43 AM

Bryan on September 5, 2007 at 9:10 AM

Well said. I think the far-left are extremely unhappy people; they must be to feel it is no vitally important to tear down and spit upon America’s finest institutions. I’m not religious, but religion in America has undoubtedly made America so much stronger and has helped so many (which is why Hollywood hates and mocks religious folks). We have the strongest, most-disciplined military in the history of mankind. Imagine the havoc we could wreak on the world if we wanted, but we don’t. Put this military in the hands of 90% of the other countries in the world and World War III is guaranteed. I’m sick and tired of the cherry-picking of abusive priests, murderous marines, pedophile Boy Scout troop leaders.

I question their patriotism, too. To hell with them.

RW Wacko on September 5, 2007 at 9:47 AM

Back to basics = tell a lie long enough and it becomes fact.

Those telling the lies do not wish to become enlightened. They would rather remain engaged with themselves in an emotional state, and engrossed in their state of mind-which is also symptomatic of paranoia.

MSGTAS on September 5, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Anyone want to take Mr. Cuban to task for his participation in this project can reach him at mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com I sent him a short, sweet (yes, I was even polite) e-mail. He once bragged on the Jim Rome Show that he answered every e-mail he received, so we’ll see.

srhoades on September 5, 2007 at 9:57 AM

Well said Bryan. I’ll ignore this movie as well, and encourage others to do so.

Look, these people have two gods. Ego, and money. Since they are wealthy enough to financially weather another stinker movie, the most effective way to “cost” them is through their ego. Ignoring these people hurts them more than any financial setback could ever do. I mean personally hurts them. This movie will probably bomb, but as long as they are being dicussed publicly, they’re happy. Forcing them to fade into the void un-noticed and unheard is the true dagger to the heart to “artists”.

El Cazador on September 5, 2007 at 10:10 AM

He answers some, I know.

But, back to this douchebag – MB4 on September 5, 2007 at 1:13 AM. Who exactly are you responding to, or is this just some stream of consciousness at 1am?

Whom do you claim “served” in the military and is now having their proud patriotism questionned? DePalma? Cuban? Robbins?

I don’t know anything about their service records; just curious to know, because your post is somewhat cryptic. I honestly don’t give a crap about their records, either, and I absolutely question their loyalty to this country and their basic morality, fwiw.

And I have never served in the military, and don’t particularly feel that this undercuts my value as a voter or an American in any way. I know plenty of men who were drafted in the Vietnam era whom I wouldn’t trust for anything, and plenty of people who have never served whom I would entrust with my life or my daughters’ lives.

Jaibones on September 5, 2007 at 10:16 AM

Now, I’m going to do something unusual and disagree with everyone on this segment when they say that we should all see Redacted. I don’t need to see it, and I don’t want to see it if my doing so puts one thin dime in DePalma’s or Cuban’s pocket

I agree with Bryan. I know I don’t like horror movies. I don’t have to go see Zombie’s Halloween to know I probably wont enjoy it. This is not “pre-judging,” it’s free market capitalism. Similarly, I know I dont like pro-Islamo-fascist, anti-american, lefty garbage, so I don’t need to go to see Redacted. Interesting that Cuban and DePalma insist that we see the movie and not pre-judge it. However, to do so, I have to fork over my 10 bucks, and at that point, it’s too late. If they really felt confident, they should offer a money-back guarantee. I wont pre-judge, I’ll go see the movie, but if I dont like it, I get my money back.

ncc770 on September 5, 2007 at 10:19 AM

Now, I’m going to do something unusual and disagree with everyone on this segment when they say that we should all see Redacted.

I still say: Ya can’t put a film down if ya don’t see it. Just do what I do when these lefty propoganda flicks come out…go with a liberal buddy, let him pay for the ticks, and you pick up the popcorn and soda. At least ya know none of your money went into these knucklehead’s pockets.

JetBoy on September 5, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Jetboy-

Or pay for a ticket another movie in the complex (so DeP doesn’t get the money) and then go in and see his film, and, it if stinks so bad that you have to leave, just go see the original movie you paid for.

As long as he doesn’t profit.

profitsbeard on September 5, 2007 at 10:27 AM

Michelle on September 5, 2007 at 9:16 AM

Record. Straight.

infidel4life on September 5, 2007 at 10:38 AM

I haven’t seen Roger Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9-11, Sicko, um, Titanic, and a whole bunch of other movies people have told me I just have to see (though I did see the English Patient. Hated it!). So missing this craptastic propaganda piece won’t pose any problem for me.

Wingo on September 5, 2007 at 10:43 AM

Further mooting the point of seeing the movie, we have De Palma’s own statements about its objective. Why does “fairness” require my seeing the film to verify it paints the US invasion of Iraq as an inhumane horror when the film’s actual creator explicitly states that it was intended to paint the US invasion of Iraq an an inhumane horror? I’ll save the eight bucks and two hours of my life and just take him on his word.

Blacklake on September 5, 2007 at 10:47 AM

Wrong, Bill. The First Amendment does NOT extend to actively sabotaging the nation while it is at war.

“When a nation is at war many thing which might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its efforts that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight and no court could regard them as protected by any Constitutional right.” [Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Schenk v. US, 249 US 47, 52 (1919)]

BTW, Schenk was distributing leaflets trying to get draftees to refuse to serve in WWI. The USSC decision was unanimous against him, and one of America’s most liberal justices wrote the opinion, an excerpt of which is above.

Robbins is paying no price for his treason (and that is what sabotaging a war effort is), and I think he should. If I were in charge, the minimum would be an IRS investigation. I’d also start investigating his business contacts. I’d get a court order to monitor his communications because he is probably in contact with our enemies overseas, and I’d let the “industry” know that they WILL come under serious scrutiny if they continue working to sabotage the war. That is what Robbins, his wife, and De Palma, et. al are doing, and it is a culpable act of treason. We sent Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose to prison for their speech, it is time to reconsider that approach to those most visible who are working the hardest to insure our defeat. Robbins and Sarandon qualify in my opinion.

Yes, the ACLU will scream. So what.

Dissent is NOT trying to undermine the nation while it is at war. Dissent is NOT working to secure America’s defeat. Dissent is, or ought to be, in this case, different people with different points of view presenting alternate solutions to winning the Long War. But once consensus is reached, DISSENT IS OVER. The problem is, traitors like Robbins aren’t offering serious solutions. They are picking the worst possible path, and the one designed to aid our enemy. And the nation debated both invading Iraq and Afghanistan long before we invaded.

Remember, treason is defined as adhering to our enemy’s cause and giving him aid and comfort.

georgej on September 5, 2007 at 11:04 AM

And I suspect you already knew about this because he asked Michelle to host it. I know this because he also asked me and told me he asked Michelle.

Ahem. Not that anyone asked me, but I have not heard anything from Mark Cuban. And I don’t listen to the Mike Church show, so I didn’t hear about that either.

Michelle on September 5, 2007 at 9:16 AM

Thank you, Michelle, for setting the record straight. All that “Mark Cuban said that he asked Michelle” crap was getting way too High School Gossip Queen for me.

ReubenJCogburn on September 5, 2007 at 11:16 AM

Questioning someones patriotism because they are against the war is bogus and a cheap smear, especially if the person questioning the other persons patriotism has never served and the person who’s patriotism is being question has.

Very bad tactics.

MB4 on September 5, 2007 at 1:13 AM

Very bad reasoning. By that line or argument, the majority of Americans are disqualified from questioning the patriotism of Lee Harvey Oswald. Worse, it deprives any American not fit for military service, for any variety of physical reasons, the potential of ever being fully “qualified” to assess patriotism.

Obviously (and it’s nothing short of pathetic that this even needs to be pointed out), it is possible for people who’ve never been in the military to have the best of intentions for their country, just as it’s possible for individuals who’ve served in the military to wish harm on their country. Anybody is fully qualified to note such transparent differences. There is no litmus test.

The left would be well-served to abandon its frequent, tired retreats to the ridiculous “absolute moral authority” myth. I don’t think it’s effective at confusing anyone, and doesn’t the very notion undermine moral relativism, anyway?

Blacklake on September 5, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Here’s why that can’t happen. Hollywood is part of the arts community. People who get into that line of work, actors, directors, cinematographers, writers, graphic artists, etc., are people who have gone to university, and worse, they have majored in the arts. Like their peers, they did so because of their personality, their character, their mind set and thus already leaned that way to begin with. They are fundamentally people of the human secularist way of thinking. Most are atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, or new-agers. It’s their nature to see the world the way they do. It’s not a coincidence that Hollywood is far left. Those people come to work already with a predetermined set of political world views. And if they didn’t have them by the time they entered university, they would certainly get them before they graduated. The professors today will see to that.

I went to college and majored in the arts and I’m a Christian and very conservative. I have a degree in Film Studies. It’s not impossible to imagine conservative filmmakers although I agree they may have to operate outside of Hollywood.

To expect people with moderate, or even conservative, much less Christian, views, to come into Hollywood is to expect the unnatural. People who see the world the way it actually is, with the cynicism required, are not the types to aspire to careers in the entertainment business. They aspire to business, to industry, to medicine, or just to raising a family. They are part of the real world. They do not inhabit an infantile, bubble-type existence of moral equivalence, new age religions, drugs, alcohol, and debauchery.

Hollywood used to be a business which is why films like Casablanca made millions of dollars. The reason conservatives could do so well in the film industry is because of the huge untapped market out there. The Passion of the Christ, made independently of Hollywood, made a serious amount of money. A movie with a strong anti-jihad sentiment – “Jihad!” by David Zucker or say a film about the First Barbary War by Peter Weir – would clean up at the box office.

The problem is that the major studios aren’t interested in making money per se but in advancing their political agenda. This has gotten so bad in the past two years as to be almost unbearable. I used to go to the cinema regularly but now I’ll go a couple of times a year and even then it’s unlikely to be an American film I’ll go see. DreamWorks went bankrupt because Spielberg kept pumping out crap like “Munich”. It’s not inconceviable that one or several major stuios will go bankrupt and the market will have to start over and make films that don’t insult people’s intelligence or morality.

As for the unnaturalness of Christian, conservative people coming into Hollywood there is also what Evan Sayet calls a “grey list” of people who don’t get hired because of their conservative beliefs. But there’s no reason one can’t aspire to raise a family, understand the world and direct a film. As it is I’m looking to set up a theatre and filmmaking will take a backseat to that unless my business venture proves to be unprofitable. There’s always the Liberty Film Festival if you’re interested in conservative filmmakers.

aengus on September 5, 2007 at 12:21 PM

You know, a dog took a crap in my yard once. I didn’t have to go rub my nose in it to know what it was.

theholyhermit on September 5, 2007 at 12:40 PM

jmarcure on September 5, 2007 at 8:26 AM

Blacklake on September 5, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Both of you have read much more into my comment than was there and in the process of doing that seemed to have missed the main point.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
- Sigmund Freud

MB4 on September 5, 2007 at 1:53 PM

I wish I could see the nation buckle down as a whole..that is the conservative whole, give up movies and any kind of entertainment format where it is made, directed, produced, where the actors/actresses..any of them involved.. who speak out against this great country of ours, against our brave military, degrades our President and the nation’s efforts in protecting her. I started doing that with not buying certain cd’s and only seeing certain movies where the stars and backers who use their celebrity to promote the leftist views with their grandstanding. Granted..I now don’t listen to that many cd’s (except country and oldies) and I have very few movies available now for me to see..but when we do..it’s a real treat and I enjoy it so much better this way. I use to miss going and seeing certain ones..but after a while..I didn’t and I don’t miss it anymore. Now you couldn’t drag me to see one of their venues…lol. It worked with the dixie chicks. The people spoke the only way they knew how and that was through the pocket books of these entertainers by not buying their products and or tickets…and letting the radio stations know they weren’t going to listen if they aired them. Of course the fans are blaming the big government/big corporations..but we know it’s because of where the real power is…THE PEOPLE…WE, THE PEOPLE>..right now I feel very lonely in this endeavor and I’d like to see more conservatives as a whole commit to making their voices heard too.

hotvol on September 5, 2007 at 2:35 PM

srhoades on September 5, 2007 at 9:57 AM

For those interested, Cuban did respond to my e-mail. He didn’t address any of my points however, he just thanked me for my service and gave me a link to the fallen patriot fund. Ah well, just another reason to avoid the NBA like the plague.

srhoades on September 5, 2007 at 3:55 PM

Michelle:
Mark Cuban told me he asked me, you and one other person (whom he did not identify). I find you to be a woman of complete integrity, so either he lied or you didn’t get his e-mail. He knew I was going to mention his proposal of a screening on the Mike Church show. Did not know that he might have faked it about the screening.
Debbie

Debbie Schlussel on September 5, 2007 at 4:45 PM

DePalma’s next movie. “THE SHAMNESTY TRAITORS, HANG-EM HIGH”, part II.

Legions on September 5, 2007 at 5:56 PM