Silky: You’re going to the doctor whether you want to or not

posted at 1:32 pm on September 3, 2007 by Allahpundit

Rob Port makes most of the salient points but I like Henke’s take the best, even though a better analogy than abortion is the left’s support for the right to die. As Althouse says, the creepiest part is that it’s not just physical check-ups that would be mandatory. I’m curious to see how Silky’s nutroots fanboys digest it; they’re the new face of the Democratic center, we’re solemnly assured, so we should expect some pushback against such a classically socialist plank, no? Certainly the screeching jackasses who fret about the NSA wiretapping calls between foreign persons that are merely routed through the United States will raise an eyebrow at the thought of state-required confabs with a shrink, right? Right. Hold your breath.

All I’d add to the other commentary is that it’s not simple contempt for individual liberty that’s led Edwards down this path. He knows costs are going to explode within a universal system as more people avail themselves of it so he has to try to manage them by forcing us to treat our problems early, before they become more serious and more expensive. And so another “well meaning” socialist program leads inexorably to compulsion. Surprise.

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It must of did the trick

United Steel Workers and United Mine Workers back Edwards

William Amos on September 3, 2007 at 1:36 PM

It also will likely end up naturally extending into the gov’t deciding when you live or die, it’ll be the gov’t that will decide how far (if at all) your cancer treatments or other treatment go in old age, we’ll see the gov’t strongly pushing for euthanasia, I guarantee it. My thoughts if there is any interest.

Bad Candy on September 3, 2007 at 1:38 PM

BTW in 2004 John Kerry seriously trailed other candidates till some key labor endorcements bumped him into the big time.

Rasmussen showed where most dems think a white male will be on top of the ticket when the smoke clears

William Amos on September 3, 2007 at 1:38 PM

My only criticism of your post is one word:

“leads”?

It starts there.

Christoph on September 3, 2007 at 1:39 PM

To help with the low savings rate in this country, Edwards will require everyone to get a financial checkup, and if you get a low score you will need to show a permission slip from your advisor before you can enter a mall or a Best Buy.

Don’t ask about the people who chronically vote Republican or or speak highly of the word profit.

pedestrian on September 3, 2007 at 1:40 PM

It also brings about a question of whether they’ll want to commit infanticide by care denial to the severely mentally or physically handicapped.

Bad Candy on September 3, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Serious question:

Should insurance companies be able to index the price of the health insurance they provide to a customer’s medical history?

Big S on September 3, 2007 at 1:41 PM

Um Hmm. And just how is enforcement going to work? Will the Edwards Administration set up reeducation mammogram and colonoscopy camps?

RushBaby on September 3, 2007 at 1:43 PM

you will submit to that prostrate exam and we will decide who will be doing it

Defector01 on September 3, 2007 at 1:43 PM

Ironically (or maybe not), if this gets put through, the forced abortions are coming if you have a disabled unborn child, cause it’ll be too expensive for the “free medicine” system to care for.

The whole far-lefty mindset reminds me of a quote John Cavanaugh-O’Keefe about respecting all life and not just some, (he wasn’t talking about the left in general but I am): [paraphrase] people who make arguments on the slippery slope sound like, we don’t want early abortions cause that might lead to later ones, and then partial birth abortions which might lead to optional legal euthanasia and then forced abortions and forced euthanasia and then watch out, cause then oh my gosh the REAL killing might begin.

inviolet on September 3, 2007 at 1:45 PM

Yup, Defector01, and you can bet it won’t be Dr Jessica Alba.

bbz123 on September 3, 2007 at 1:46 PM

Silky Pony made these comments. Geez, I would of thought that Mrs. Silky Pony would be making these type of bold statements. He is just way too much fluff & warm air. North Carolina will never forget how he used us, much like a heavy-duty condom.

Wuptdo on September 3, 2007 at 1:51 PM

That photo of Edwards looks like it was taken during a rectal.

profitsbeard on September 3, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Once the feds take over health care, doctors wont be treating you like valued customers either. You’ll take a number and put on your hospital gown when you get to the waiting corral, and then you’ll wait your turn for mandatory checkup every year.

pedestrian on September 3, 2007 at 1:57 PM

I can’t believe the level of intervention on personal freedom and private life (speaking of privacy! and the right to! a woman can see a doctor to terminate her fetus due to privacy… but a person doesn’t have a right not to be examined by a doctor? how does that work? are women going to be forced into preventative gynecological exams? what about teenage girls forced to get HPV vaccines? how’s that going to fly with religions conservatives and/or libertarians?).

AP, I’d value your insights. I would think this would kill his campaign.

Do you think it’ll help, hinder, or have no effect?

Christoph on September 3, 2007 at 1:59 PM

No sooner do I recommend that doriangrey our resident idiot troll go see the doctor, when WHAMMO… the Messiah says it too..

God, I must be psychic!

Mcguyver on September 3, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Yup, Defector01, and you can bet it won’t be Dr Jessica Alba.

bbz123

Because we’re moving towards a nice socialist system then it’ll be a similar doctor that you’d get in the Soviet Union – he was the finest that the state could train and when he’s not plastered on call he’s tolerably good

Defector01 on September 3, 2007 at 2:00 PM

Didn’t Edwards make a consider portion of his fortune tormenting the sick care industry?

And so another “well meaning” socialist program leads inexorably to compulsion. Surprise.

Isn’t that the truth. Regardless, this policy will resolve itself presumably. Hillary makes smoking illegal. Without the ability to relieve stress, suicides (already high in comparison to other professions) goes up dramatically among drs. Leads to shortage of doctors and ensuing problems cement Edwards as the intellectual equal of Carter.

Spirit of 1776 on September 3, 2007 at 2:01 PM

We already have Democrats licking Castro’s boots (burial or otherwise), how long before we get them slobbering all over Kim Jong Il’s (I mean, apart from Madeline Halfwit, of course)?

I mean, are there really a statistically significant number of people who are so far out of their damned minds that this kind of thing seems sensible to them?

Merovign on September 3, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Christoph on September 3, 2007 at 1:59 PM

It’ll help him in the primaries, leftists are authoritarian in nature.

Bad Candy on September 3, 2007 at 2:03 PM

An interesting policy position for a campaign already on life support.

Suppose someone is misdiagnosed on one of their forced visits. Will Silky put on his ambulance chaser hat and sue the gubmint?

JammieWearingFool on September 3, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Again, with this kind of crap coming from the three guys running for the Dhimmi nomination, I maintain that if just ONE of the Repub’s started acting like an adult, we’d win in a landslide…

JWS on September 3, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Yup, Defector01, and you can bet it won’t be Dr Jessica Alba.
bbz123 on September 3, 2007 at 1:46 PM

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Heh, if Jessica were the doctor I would voluntarily be in for daily check ups, no need to use force.
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Otherwise, as far as this plan goes, over my dead body….

Herikutsu on September 3, 2007 at 2:08 PM

Lionel Hutz to America: We Own You, Fatso.

Silky is only being honest. This is the logical result of the national health care. If the Feds are responsible for paying the bills, then Americans better get their fat asses to the doctor. Silky hasn’t said it yet but the other logical result is health care rationing. If you’re too fat or refuse to stop smoking or whatever, then you don’t deserve the investment in the more expensive treatments like transplants, pricey drugs, etc. The feds will just “manage” you into the grave. You’re probably cheap dead anyway. If you extrapolate this out to it’s logical conclusion, national health care means that if you want the feds to pay for your health, then they own your diabetic, asthmatic, butt, pal.

So much for “Keep You Laws Off My Body”. National health care says, “We’re Putting Our Laws In Your Body Whether Your Obese Hump Likes It or Not”.

Thomas the Wraith on September 3, 2007 at 2:12 PM

Here’s a DU reaction to the Edwards Imperial Healthcare System. Some are pretty opposed, but most seem to be in favor.

Bad Candy on September 3, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Edwards is got an even better plan in the works. You can be audited by the IRS at the same time you see the proctologist.

BobK on September 3, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Bad Candy on September 3, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Thanks a lot for luring back into that fever swamp.

So is it true that Mrs. Edwards didn’t get exams for years before she got treatment? So now they’re punishing us for her mistake?

pedestrian on September 3, 2007 at 2:24 PM

This guy is such a mental midget he doesn’t not know what he is saying.
He is advocating a draconian totalitarian police state. He will take away your rights simply for what he perceives as good for the whole. It is hard to believe he made through law school and doesn’t know his suggestions are absolutely unconstitutional and un-American on their face.
But I guess when you think about it, forcing people to go to the doctor is just as ludicrous as robbing some people of their corn and coin to pay for someone else’s doctor visit.

TheSitRep on September 3, 2007 at 2:25 PM

…state-required confabs with a shrink…

And I suspect providers will be required to work with you to assure that your mental health “outcome” embrace certain approved…uh…”progressive” attitudes.

eeyore on September 3, 2007 at 2:32 PM

ok, if there is national healthcare, I go along with this, but only for 1 reason:
Every American has to go to a doctor to have thier body mass index (BMI) determined. That official government BMI will now be used on your yearly tax returns as a multiplier on your taxes owed. I.E. the higher your BMI (the fatter you are) the higher your taxes. Smoker”? Add another 5%.
If his plan will actually force people to be responsible for the consequences of their unhealthy lifestyles, I say you go, girl!

redshirt on September 3, 2007 at 2:41 PM

What chicharrónes is Silky smoking?

terryannonline on September 3, 2007 at 2:43 PM

Watch for some furious back-pedaling on this. There’s no way he’ll stick to his guns once the backlash starts in earnest.

flipflop on September 3, 2007 at 2:59 PM

My life crystal turned red a long time ago. Here come the sandmen….

BDavis on September 3, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Yup, Defector01, and you can bet it won’t be Dr Jessica Alba.

Nope, it will probably be Dr. Janet Reno or Dr. Helen Thomas.

pdigaudio on September 3, 2007 at 3:07 PM

So besides going to the doctor,the left now wants
to know who’s certifable and who’s not.

By silkys own words,he has just committed about ninety
per cent of his fellow Liberal Democrats to an institution.

canopfor on September 3, 2007 at 3:13 PM

Will this mean all people entering this country will be pre screened for tb,hep a,b and c and HIV . And if so will those who are infected be barred from entry. As they would be a possible risk of infection of the American people.

Mojack420 on September 3, 2007 at 3:18 PM

You’re going to the doctor whether you want to or not

Goodnight John-boy, and you are going to lose in the primaries whether you want to or not.

Maxx on September 3, 2007 at 3:45 PM

That photo of Edwards looks like it was taken during a rectal.

profitsbeard on September 3, 2007 at 1:53 PM

That’s because the alien’s forgot to remove his anal probe.

Maxx on September 3, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Will this mean all people entering this country will be pre screened for tb,hep a,b and c and HIV . And if so will those who are infected be barred from entry. As they would be a possible risk of infection of the American people.

Mojack420 on September 3, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Russia The New Soviet Union wants HIV test results on their entry visa application.

flipflop on September 3, 2007 at 3:49 PM

God help us . . . Edwards is attempting to establish the “United Nannyville of America”.

rplat on September 3, 2007 at 3:51 PM

The funny thing is that Edwards isn’t even proposing a government paid national healthcare system.

Require businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance their
health insurance.

Make insurance affordable by creating new tax credits, expanding Medicaid and SCHIP, reforming insurance laws, and taking innovative steps to contain health care costs.

Create regional Health Care Markets purchasing pools to give every American the bargaining power to purchase an affordable, high-quality health plan, increase choices among insurance plans, and cut costs for businesses offering insurance.

Once these steps have been taken, require all American residents to get insurance.

That $120 billion is only the government’s portion of the cost. When I’m required to purchase health insurance, the first thing I will do is use it to get a $12k/yr Enbrel prescription. Making everyone buy insurance and use it is the way to keep costs down. Good luck with that plan, John.

Oh, and I’m sure that the use of “American residents” was in no way deliberate…

rw on September 3, 2007 at 3:53 PM

My life crystal turned red a long time ago. Here come the sandmen….

BDavis on September 3, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Only 20 years? What’s the life cycle afterward?

Kini on September 3, 2007 at 3:57 PM

The perfect liberal ticket:

Bloomberg/Edwards

Bloomberg will take care of everything that we’re not allowed to do, while Edwards handles all of those things we must be forced to do. It’ll be a veritable paradise of happy, healthy people. Yay!

progressoverpeace on September 3, 2007 at 3:57 PM

Oh, die young, leave a good looking corpus?

Kini on September 3, 2007 at 3:58 PM

He knows costs are going to explode within a universal system as more people avail themselves of it so he has to try to manage them by forcing us to treat our problems early, before they become more serious and more expensive.

Exactly. This argument was used a lot when Schwarzenegger proposed free health care for everyone in CA recently: illegal aliens are using the emergency rooms for every ailment anyway, why not reduce costs through free
preventative care?

Alex K on September 3, 2007 at 4:10 PM

He will never win so who cares what some two-faced ass-clown spews to the converted masses?

Neo on September 3, 2007 at 4:20 PM

We have 27 million american’s without health ins. as reported last week. I’m praying the GOP candidates can see the light. The Dims are willing to sell out the American people with their Shamnesty plan,(JUST FOR VOTES) A plan that in total would have cost us over 3 Trillion dollars, just to get the Hispanic vote. Get it, if they win in 08 we lose 3 trillion $$$$. So lets do a little buying of votes ourselves. 27 million Americans mad as hell, they blame most of it on the illegal invasion. However they need healthcare first, and probably will vote their pocketbook for a good sounding health plan. We need to start talking healthcare plan big time. Forget about losing the conservative vote, they have to see the light by now and know the plan (win at all costs). If we lose in 08, there will be no more Grand Old Party. Hilary will legalize the 20 million and bring in millions more of their family members. This must scare the right more than a healthcare plan which I say we all pay into just like we are now, no free rides. And if the GOP nominee is real smart he’ll make Condi Rice his running mate, brings in even more from the left. And right now No.Korea and the Middle East are looking about as good as it has been in awhile, and she did have a part to play in that. Hoping by election she has even more stock than now. Hilary and,(or)Obama will be formidable foes.Dims=White/Blacks/Hispanic vs. GOP=White/(throw in a very small % of the black/hispanic vote, not enough by a long shot).

Legions on September 3, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Nope, it will probably be Dr. Janet Reno or Dr. Helen Thomas.

pdigaudio

No thanks doc, I’ll just die instead :-p

Defector01 on September 3, 2007 at 4:31 PM

Should insurance companies be able to index the price of the health insurance they provide to a customer’s medical history?

Big S on September 3, 2007 at 1:41 PM

They already do, Big S. Try to get cheap health coverage with a preexisting condition. On the other hand, they can’t raise your rates if you have a serious heath problem and stay with your existing provider.

Answer to your question…… Personally, I think the way it works now is fine. If you have coverage your rates are fixed. If you want to change coverage, the new provider has a perfect right to evaluate your risk profile and set their rates based on that.

BacaDog on September 3, 2007 at 4:34 PM

No sooner do I recommend that doriangrey our resident idiot troll go see the doctor, when WHAMMO… the Messiah says it too..

God, I must be psychic!

Mcguyver on September 3, 2007 at 1:59 PM

OT, but in the name of objectivity must be cleared. Mcguyver, you must take time to study doriangrey in more depth. If doriangrey is a troll on HA, then I’m a communist and AP is a falling-off-the-cliff religious type.

“Psychic” might be the wrong term. Here’s another abstract illogical analogy:

1. Einstein was chaotic.
2. Mcguyver is chaotic.
3. Therefore, Mcguyver is Einstein.

Both don’t add up.

You might have your disagreements with doriangrey, but he’s not a HA troll.

OT – Silky thinks we’ve all had our lobotomies already.

Entelechy on September 3, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Any Presidential candidate that has it as his or her platform the fact that, if elected, he or she is going to make you do something, whether or not you want to do it, (with the exception being, of course, paying taxes)even if that something is going to benefit you in the long run, because THEY, not YOU, feel it is the best thing for YOU…well, the last time I checked, I think they called something like that an example of a “tyranny”.

pilamaye on September 3, 2007 at 5:31 PM

My fear is getting an exam from Senator Mensroom.

saved on September 3, 2007 at 5:43 PM

Will this mean all people entering this country will be pre screened for…. HIV .

Hate to break it to you, but when one applies legally for a Green Card, an HIV test is mandatory. That’s how it was three or four years ago when I had my Immigration Physical and I assume it hasn’t changed.

Of course, the proviso is that one must be a legal immigrant. And if you’re talking about visitor visas, good luck with that. That won’t happen, I think (even if it’s a pretty decent idea)

mjk on September 3, 2007 at 6:14 PM

Edwards is simply jealous of Al’s ‘carbon offsets’.
So, he’s beginning his very own, brand-new, posh line:
‘health offsets’.

It’s great! If you’re one of the extremely wealthy, you can eat bacon cheeseburgers all day! Just write a check to the cardiovascular institute to ‘offset’ those transgressions.

Don’t feel like exercising today? Easy–float some bucks to one of many companies in the third world which Edwards is personally setting up to run on treadmills for you.

RedCrow on September 3, 2007 at 6:15 PM

Ah, the cost of FREE health care is revealed. Liberals just refuse to grasp the ideal that if the government pays for you care, then it also controls if you get care, when you get cae, and, of course how you shoud live, what you can eat, drink, etc.

Gatordoug on September 3, 2007 at 6:43 PM

We have 27 million american’s without health ins. as reported last week

How did they come up to report this number?

Sounds like alot of people doesn’t it?

What percent of american’s don’t have health insurance?

and more importantly, why do they not have health insurance? Could it be that they choose to go without insurance because they are healthy? Could it be because they are between jobs?

Lastly, how much are you willing to pay?

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on September 3, 2007 at 7:06 PM

Just to be clear: He’s not proposing that the government actually force people to the go to the doctor, right? He’s just saying that they need to if they want to enroll in the universal health care system.

How is this much different than other government programs (such an unemployment pay) that make sure that certain requirements are met to make sure the proper incentive structure is in place? Granted, no one here’s much of a fan of these other government programs, but are we calling all of these programs totalitarian compulsion or just this health care proposal?

tneloms on September 3, 2007 at 7:42 PM

How is this much different than other government programs (such an unemployment pay) that make sure that certain requirements are met to make sure the proper incentive structure is in place? Granted, no one here’s much of a fan of these other government programs, but are we calling all of these programs totalitarian compulsion or just this health care proposal?

You are assuming that Universal Health Care will be voluntary

Gatordoug on September 3, 2007 at 8:18 PM

You are assuming that Universal Health Care will be voluntary

Gatordoug on September 3, 2007 at 8:18 PM

No, that’s what I’m asking.

tneloms on September 3, 2007 at 8:55 PM

Silky had just better hope that if people are forced to go to the doctor that he doesn’t get one who wants to make an “issue” of Silky channeling the dead and insist on hospitalization until the outcome of a full psychiatric work is known. $400 haircuts may also need a psychiatric work up.

MB4 on September 3, 2007 at 9:01 PM

No, that’s what I’m asking.

tneloms on September 3, 2007 at 8:55 PM

Well he said his plan REQUIRED everyone to be in the plan, so, there you go. Remember tyere are no choices in Marxism.

Gatordoug on September 3, 2007 at 9:05 PM

The left doesn’t seem to know that there are people in this country who don’t want gov. help very often if at all. There are people in this country fully capable of running their own lives. There are people in this country who don’t want to be talked down to accompanied by an overpriced smile and patted on the head. There are people in this country who consider themselves the intellectual equal of the demi-Gods who think they know what’s best for everyone. There are people in this country to whom the thought of a president with Edwards perspective is actually frightening. He must NOT be elected.

jeanie on September 3, 2007 at 9:07 PM

My life crystal turned red a long time ago. Here come the sandmen….

No, the sandmen don’t come for you until your life crystal turns black at 30. But don’t worry. Look how old Michael York looks now.

jihadwatcher on September 3, 2007 at 10:04 PM

If Edwards proposes socialized health care to the US voter, and then proposes that everybody be forced to get checkups, I can tell you right now, he will not get elected even if he were to run against Dick Cheney and Darth Vader. Guys like him are tone deaf on the national stage. Their social status and wealth insulates them intellectually from the average Joe.

Hillary on the otherhand, will tell the electorate, like her husband did, anything that she thinks they want to hear. This is much more successful strategy, but being such an automaton, she can’t pull it off convincingly.

So that leaves the electorate voting GOP. And in a time of terror and terror threats, the GOP candidates look like the better choice anyway.

jihadwatcher on September 3, 2007 at 10:12 PM

I gotta hand it to Edwards, I figured that it would take time for a government health program to begin to encroach on individual libety but he’s proposing it right from the start. The thing that scares me the most about this is that under the health care umbrella, the Fed will be able to extend their reach into almost every human activity … Give government a power, and it is only a matter of time until they abuse it …

Paul

pbary on September 3, 2007 at 11:16 PM

So when you go to your mandatory checkup, the doctor says you are fat, need to exercise and quit smoking. Then what?

nottakingsides on September 3, 2007 at 11:17 PM

Not to put a damper on the laugh-fest at Edwards’ expensive, but what he proposes now for health care is exactly what’s being done now for public education. Everyone pays for public education. However, those who refuse to get their children inoculated (preventative care) must take their children outside of the system to obtain education (to private institutions or the home). This is the same principle applied to health care. That doesn’t make either policy right or wrong, but it illustrates the parallel between something almost everyone accepts without question and something that rings fascist.

calbear on September 3, 2007 at 11:42 PM

Not to put a damper on the laugh-fest at Edwards’ expensive, but what he proposes now for health care is exactly what’s being done now for public education.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that in Canada doctors are prohibited from providing treatment outside of the national system. Since Canada’s system seems to be the poster child of the government solution crowd, I think the concerns expressed are valid … univeral coverage will only function with universal participation, which would require killing competing alternatives …

Pal

Paul

pbary on September 4, 2007 at 12:09 AM

[quote]So when you go to your mandatory checkup, the doctor says you are fat, need to exercise and quit smoking. Then what?

nottakingsides on September 3, 2007 at 11:17 PM[/quote]

Nothing. The Breck Girl and his Marxist pals believe that compulsory (mis)education and, eventually, compulsory health care will change the country for the better.

There’s one problem, though. It’s a fact that these “road to Hell is paved with good intentions” crowd can’t seem to process — people have free will.

eanax on September 4, 2007 at 12:15 AM

pbary on September 4, 2007 at 12:09 AM

Actually, that’s no longer the case in Canada, but Edwards was suggesting a particular policy, not adopting Canada’s system. Has Edwards ever said that we should use a system exactly like Canada’s? I don’t think he has….

calbear on September 4, 2007 at 12:48 AM

Logan’s Run: Reign of the Silky Pony

Black Adam on September 4, 2007 at 1:32 AM

We have 27 million american’s without health ins. as reported last week

How did they come up to report this number?

Sounds like alot of people doesn’t it?

What percent of american’s don’t have health insurance?

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on September 3, 2007 at 7:06 PM

thats about 8% of the population so no its not really a lot.
47 million not

Mojack420 on September 4, 2007 at 3:44 AM

redshirt on September 3, 2007 at 2:41 PM

What are you thinking? Who cares if someone is fat or smokes? It isn’t your or mine business what someone’s lifestyle is. As a freeman I have the right to smoke or eat if I so choose. The consequences of those actions will be mine and mine alone. It is my choice not yours or the governments.

This reminds me of the seatbelt laws debate. The theory went that if everyone used their seatbelts the death rate would be lower and the amount of our auto insurance would decrease because there would be less costs to the insurance industry. Well my state now has mandatory seatbelt laws for the last 10 years and guess what my auto insurance costs more not less with a clean driving record. We were sold a bill of goods by the public do-gooders and got nothing (not even a decrease in the death rate) but a lousy bumper sticker slogan (click it or ticket)

And we lost one more freedom. Now we have police stopping cars for no reason but a seatbelt. Think about this. Every person in America can no longer leave their house and travel without breaking at least one law somewhere at some time. Go over 1 mile on the speed limit your a criminal, forget to sign your registration your a criminal, put your sticker on your plate wrong your a criminal, don’t stop long enough at a stop sign even when no one else is coming your a criminal, forget the seatbelt watch out your now a threat to the public safety.

Now you want to criminalize smoking and eating to much. What are we going to have? Waiters ready to write tickets if you get the desert or have an after dinner smoke?

Freedom is not free sometimes we have to pay for our freedoms. All of our freedoms. Insurance prices are not high because people smoke or eat too much. They have been smoking and eating too much for 200 years in this country. The prices are high because the HMO’s want to make max profits. They are high because the doctors, drug companies, and hospitals want max profits, they are high because the government is involved in the healthcare industry, they are high because the tax code favors the consumer to not see the true price of healthcare. The prices are high because the healthy people have decided they do not need to pay for the sick. What’s next we leave our old alongside the road to die like the Native Americans used too because nursing homes cost too much?

Also remember this: At the same time we are getting less healthcare, company’s are having RECORD profits. They are doing this by cutting costs. They are trying to reduce costs further by pushing healthcare onto the government. I’m all for profit but profit at the expense of people’s health strikes me as immoral to a fault. You want cheaper healthcare and your freedom? Then pass a law so that ALL companies trading with us must provide health insurance to their workers. Give our companies tax breaks to provide full coverage to their employees. Educate the poor about nutrition, only allow food stamps for high protein/high nutritional foods. Get government out of healthcare (get rid of Medicare and Medicad). Shut down the VA hospital system and give veterans free healthcare for life by tax credits on their premiums. outsource the government functions to private insurance companies. Require the insurance companies to treat all claims no matter the cost. Give the insurance companies tax credits for care over a certain point. All these can be done with the tax code not with more government employees, more government powers, or more government intrusion.

unseen on September 4, 2007 at 4:11 AM

Mojack420 on September 4, 2007 at 3:44 AM

alot of those people are healthy people who do not think they need health insurance.

unseen on September 4, 2007 at 4:15 AM

calbear on September 3, 2007 at 11:42 PM

Yeah the schools are doing such a great job. SAT scores just dropped again. At this rate the kids will know how to (only) make fire in another 15 years.

unseen on September 4, 2007 at 4:18 AM

Logan’s Run: Reign of the Silky Pony

Black Adam on September 4, 2007 at 1:32 AM

More like THX1138 which I think is a liberal’s vision of utopia. Heck, it was a liberal’s view of utopia.

jmarcure on September 4, 2007 at 6:44 AM

unseen on September 4, 2007 at 4:11 AM
Who cares if someone is fat or smokes? It isn’t your or mine business what someone’s lifestyle is. As a freeman I have the right to smoke or eat if I so choose. The consequences of those actions will be mine and mine alone. It is my choice not yours or the governments.

Under mandatory universal healthcare it’s really the government’s choice and responsibility as to your lifestyle. Your drunken, coughing, fat butt will be using way more than your fair share of the health care pie. That will not benefit the rest of us that live a healthy lifestyle and could possibly jeopardize our health or life because of the resources that are being spent to support your unhealthy choices.

jmarcure on September 4, 2007 at 6:54 AM

Edwards to America:

“Renew on Carousel! Renew! Renew!”

jihadwatcher on September 4, 2007 at 7:28 AM

1st offense = flu shot
2nd offense = colonoscopy
3rd offense = appendectomy
4th offense = sensitivity training
etc.

tgillian on September 4, 2007 at 7:52 AM

thats about 8% of the population so no its not really a lot.
47 million not

Mojack420 on September 4, 2007 at 3:44 AM

And when you consider 10% of the people think Elvis is still alive, 8% is about as low as you are going to get. There is always that 10% that is,…well, just different.

right2bright on September 4, 2007 at 8:15 AM

Whatever socialized medicine is like in other countries,, these maggots will top the cake! You will accept the government diet! You will participate in the government exercise regime! You will go to your government doctor! You will go to your government psychiatrist! You will accept your medical diagnosis from the state! You will accept your mental health diagnosis from the state! You will take your medical and mental health medications! You will accept all government treatments and therapies! You will receive your surgery! And ultimetly,, you will accept your government appointed time of death! Well uh ,, no,, I don’t think I will!

JellyToast on September 4, 2007 at 8:52 AM

He is simply nuts.

Of course, he used to be one of those attorneys that handled lawsuits against doctors. Mandating people to go to the doctor increases the cash cow for lawyers. All the better to sue you with my dear….

Thankfully I don’t think we have a thing to worry about with this guy..he’s too far out there.

Highrise on September 4, 2007 at 8:57 AM

We do have one hope here. Silky would have to put this proposal into the budget bill since Congress holds the power of the purse. Even if he succeeded in getting such a thing through a Senate filibuster so that he could sign it, we can hope that the Court would do the right thing. With Roberts and Alito, chances are decent. There is that line in the first amendment “Congress shall make no law…,” and it expressly talks about the freedom of choice, right?

You’d think that the lefties would be a bit more aware of that connundrum for them. That’s their excuse all the time when it comes to abortion, after all.

flutejpl on September 4, 2007 at 9:07 AM

Daily Mail reports:

‘NHS should not treat those with unhealthy lifestyles’ say Tories
Last updated at 14:28pm on 4th September 2007

Guess the libs giveth and the libs taketh away. Must be great to be God…or Silky.

JiangxiDad on September 4, 2007 at 9:42 AM

Edwards, who has been criticized by some for calling on Americans to be willing to give up their SUVs while driving one, acknowledged Sunday that he owns a Ford Escape hybrid SUV, purchased within the year, and a Chrysler Pacificia, which he said he has had for years.

“I think all of us have to move, have to make progress,” he said. “I’m not holyier-than-thou about this. … I’m like a lot of Americans, I see how serious this issue is and I want to address it myself and I want to help lead the nation in the right direction.”

He said he would not buy another SUV in the future.

So, Silky has grandfathered himself in, but the rest of us have to give up our SUVs. Two America’s for sure.

Mallard T. Drake on September 4, 2007 at 11:35 AM

What’s next?

Colonoscopy, need it or not.

For the public good….

whatthecrap on September 4, 2007 at 11:40 AM

I have idiots commenting over at my place that this isn’t any different than private insurance company mandates. Or mandatory immunizations.

First, I am opposed to government mandated immunizations for the same reason as I am opposed to this.

Second, if my private insurance company is mandating things I don’t like, I have the choice of finding a different insurance provider. The Breck Girl’s proposal is mandatory, meaning the gummint will be running it and you won’t have any choice. Every Dhimmicrat is proposing outlawing the concept of private insurance — The Breck Girl, Shrillary and Osama bin … Osama Obama .. Obamamama.

The Republicans have to get out front on this issue rather than be the girlie men they usually are and be cowering under their desks, too afraid to be demonized by the Drive By Media as not caring for people.

pdigaudio on September 4, 2007 at 12:47 PM

jmarcure on September 4, 2007 at 6:54 AM

you have no idea how government’s work. the savings from not covering fat, smoking, drinking people will not go to the healthy. It will go for some other “do good program”.

Look at social security. All the surplus over the years did not go to fund social security it went to fund government.

Lotteries do not go to help education the proceeds go to fund education while the government reduces the funding from the genral fund by the same amount. Net is zero. It just gives the government more power and more funds.

Your sacrifice of a healthy lifestyle will do no good to kept costs down. The cost of universal care will continue to rise and tax revenues that were spent on healthcare will be redirected to other “worthy” causes.

The private sector takes the savings and returns it to the shareholders and bondholders. They do not lower your cost they lower THEIR costs. So I repeat you give up your freedom of eating, smoking, and drinking for what? nothing. For the illusion of doing good.

unseen on September 4, 2007 at 2:09 PM

unseen on September 4, 2007 at 2:09 PM

could also be said about global warming taxes. Look at British taxes for a clue about what is coming.

unseen on September 4, 2007 at 4:27 PM

What I can’t believe is that Edwards tipped the left’s hand and showed their cards so early. In their socialist utopia there won’t be freedom. You’ll have the safety tyrants, the health tyrants, the tax tyrants and on and on while the government grows and grows till it intrudes into every aspect of everyone’s life. Does anyone think that people with high risk lifestyles or activities will do well under this system? These people see a child’s game of tag as a problem so how do you think they’ll end up looking at mountain climbing, skydiving, extreme sports of any type let alone risky lifestyles such as homosexuality or even heterosexual multi partner practices?

Buzzy on September 4, 2007 at 9:12 PM

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