Video: Haditha, November 19, 2005

posted at 6:31 pm on September 1, 2007 by Allahpundit

The first rumors that this video existed came fully 15 months ago in a report by WaPo about A/V communications from that day that might either prove the Marines’ guilt or exculpate them. Newsmax picked it up a month later and claimed that the tape showed four jihadis fleeing the neighborhood, circumstantial evidence that the Marines’ belief that they had to use deadly force in clearing houses was reasonable. CNN says it doesn’t show the actual house-clearing operations for which the Marines are on trial, but…

The video appears to show that, throughout that day, Marines engaged in fierce firefights and called in air strikes to level buildings — often with no definitive idea of who was inside.

That could buttress defense arguments that Marines clearing buildings on the ground with guns and grenades were just following rules of engagement.

“The defense can say, ‘Hey, look, you had to do this later in the day, what’s the difference between what happened later in the day and what our guys did earlier in the day?’ ” asked retired Marine Lt. Col. Gary Solis, a former prosecutor and military judge who teaches law at Georgetown University and West Point.

The last Marine to be tried, whose hearing just began, in fact, is Sgt. Wuterich, currently facing 13 counts of murder. Pay attention to the shot of the white sedan here — it’s Wuterich’s alleged shooting of the five men in that car, not the house-clearing operations, from which the crux of the case against him derives. According to Cpl. Sanick De La Cruz, Wuterich gunned them down in cold blood and then urinated on one of the bodies in evident retaliation for the IED that killed Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas an hour or so before. Click the image to watch.

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Murtha responds

Its a massive military coverup going to the highest levels

William Amos on September 1, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Man I had to stop that Murtha youtube. When he starts spouting “This is worse the Mai Lai. The was no shooting at the Marines they just went around murdering” my blood started to boil.

William Amos on September 1, 2007 at 6:41 PM

The fog of war. Drop all charges.

Zorro on September 1, 2007 at 7:00 PM

Murtha’s an embarrassment to the state of PA, as if his shameless grubbing at the public trough for pork money wasn’t bad enough, he slimes the Armed Forces.

Bad Candy on September 1, 2007 at 7:06 PM

The saddest part of the whole segment is where he says “Justice can’t be served unless someone is convicted.”

Is he saying just imprison someone to appease whomever? Regardless if there is no proof? Even if what little evidence they have might be coerced?

Rode Werk on September 1, 2007 at 7:47 PM

I agree, RW. Bullshit. It’s a war, sometimes people get killed. If they’re going to prosecute our boys for trying to protect each other from Koranimals, f*ck it. Get out.

Jaibones on September 1, 2007 at 8:19 PM

They are hostile fighters until they are killed by US Marines, then suddenly they are treated as innocent civilians. They count on our insistence in handcuffing our soldiers with a bunch of asinine rules. This gives them the ability to use truly innocent civilians as shields. These soldiers are participating in a real war, not serving search warrants in East Oakland.

Zaire67 on September 1, 2007 at 8:31 PM

Murtha’s an embarrassment to the state of PA, as if his shameless grubbing at the public trough for pork money wasn’t bad enough, he slimes the Armed Forces.

Bad Candy on September 1, 2007 at 7:06 PM

My Mom apologizes. She tried to vote this moron out in ’06. Hopefully, his hateful comments and “moral authority” will be his downfall once the Marines who were actually being shot at from several directions at once are acquitted. I don’t see it as likely, though. Southwest PA is troubled economically and “hooked on pork.” Therefore, this bastard likely has a lifetime seat.

American_Jihadist on September 1, 2007 at 8:44 PM

The saddest part of the whole segment is where he says “Justice can’t be served unless someone is convicted.”

Is he saying just imprison someone to appease whomever? Regardless if there is no proof? Even if what little evidence they have might be coerced?

Rode Werk on September 1, 2007 at 7:47 PM

Amen!
If you want to convict somebody, convict the barbarians that intentionally shelter among civilians to try to create these situations.

TBinSTL on September 1, 2007 at 8:58 PM

So sometime during this firefight Sgt. Wuterich had time to stop, in the middle fo the street, and pee on one of the people he shot, and then reengage the firefight?

Help me out with the logic of is scenario.

Lawrence on September 1, 2007 at 9:02 PM

Oh, I love the last quote by Professor Solis:

“It would be difficult to say that justice has been served if no one is convicted for Haditha.”

And that, in a nutshell, is the entire philosophy behind this Stalinesque JAG-off show trial: “We have to convict somebody, whether they did anything wrong or not.”

Hey, here’s a brilliant suggestion, Professor Solis: How about convicting the cave-dwelling Hajis who deliberately use civilians as human shields and violate every single article of the Geneva Conventions every single day?

Desk-riding A$$nugget jerk-off.

Misha I on September 1, 2007 at 9:12 PM

Oh, and pardon me for repeating what had already been said. “Read all the comments before responding, Misha.”

I’ll now go write that a hundred times :-)

Misha I on September 1, 2007 at 9:14 PM

Murtha responds

Its a massive military coverup going to the highest levels

William Amos on September 1, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Is that the right link? That video is from May 2006.

Tennessee Dave on September 1, 2007 at 9:19 PM

I just finished watching this video,yeah War is really hell
on earth.
Just as the term applies fog of war.Right from the word go
“It’s a Hot Bed of Insurgent Activities”,so we had enemys
left,right,and center,and it’s about ready to hit the fan.
WE have an IED attack,and now it does.
No different than any other conflict,you have no idea,who is in the battle area,houses and streets,and yes airstrikes
save lives(American Slodiers,and yes thats a goog thing).

So twenty four civilians got caught up in the action,yup war is hell,and lets not forget that American blood was shed for these civilians of Irag,to get rid of Saddam and bring feedom to these civilians.
Yes collateral damage is a b!tch,but Murder Charges!

And if these Insurgents(claimed to be students!)were not
willing to lay down to be asertained if they were students
or Irainian soldiers and they made an attempt to flee,it would be no different than shooting at an escaped convict.

The problem also is that the over eager prosecutor is
having a hard time making the MURDER CHARGES STICK!
What the H!ll, a hard time making them stick,so like
the Duke deal,they are already guilty.Good Lord.

canopfor on September 1, 2007 at 9:20 PM

“Justice can’t be served unless someone is convicted.”

how about the insurgents?
it’s all bull…fighting a war with a lawyers approval, what rubbish. And by the way, so what if some rules were broken in the heat of battle, may i ask who is going to do anything about it other than some snarly left wingers that can’t wait to submit to the moooslimbs anyway? Whether their eating chocolate in the Haig or sipping cocktails in D.C.

oldernslower on September 1, 2007 at 9:55 PM

Is that the right link? That video is from May 2006.

Tennessee Dave on September 1, 2007 at 9:19 PM

Sorry wasnt trying to say it was a direct responce to this latest video just murtha’s mindset from the very start that these Marines were “Guilty”

William Amos on September 1, 2007 at 10:12 PM

How dare anyone contridict Jack Murtha!! After all he did serve in Vietnam!! **extreme sarcasm**

Claimsratt on September 1, 2007 at 10:16 PM

Thankfully ass-clowns like this (calling for someone, anyone, to get convicted in order to say justice has been served for a few civilian deaths in a war) didn’t exist when men like my father and father-in-law saved the world.

Civilian casualties, though heinous, are inherent to the process and quite frankly help end wars. Think of the 100,000 civilians burned to death in the Tokyo fire bombings, think of Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima.

War is a brutal and bloody business, people who don’t have the sack for it should shut their suck hole and let the greater men do what must be done to ensure that even the pansies and gutless get to enjoy the safe umbrella of freedom we live under.

Alden Pyle on September 1, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Justice can’t be served unless someone is convicted.”

How about they convict any captured terrorists, since they started the attack.

Murtha deserves to be convicted, also, for slander.

profitsbeard on September 1, 2007 at 10:36 PM

Koranimals? So right – I nominate Jailbones to SecDef.

T J Green on September 1, 2007 at 11:08 PM

Bottom line, you lie with jihadi’s you die with jihadi’s. I have no remorse or sympathy for these people. The only way you can win these type of wars is to make collaberation with the bad guys too dangerous of an option.
Like they say, in this situation, kill them all and let god sort them out.

conservnut on September 1, 2007 at 11:12 PM

This quote is the best answer to who was responsible for Haditha.

“Yes, deadly crimes were committed — by the insurgents, whose day-in, day-out war crimes of taking cover among the civilians created this tragedy. The law holds them responsible. We must always remember that the blame for these deaths lies first and foremost at the feet of these war criminals, whose habitual disregard for the basic standards of civilization has been allowed to be forgotten. They are treated in the press like a force of nature, but they are men, and the law has a great deal to say about their actions. The crimes of Haditha were their crimes.”

Gwillie on September 1, 2007 at 11:12 PM

The saddest part of the whole segment is where he says “Justice can’t be served unless someone is convicted.”

since when dose justice = conviction?
I thought finding out the truth would be the most importaint thing but then again we are talking about John ABSCAM Murtha.

Mojack420 on September 2, 2007 at 12:20 AM

Yep. No justice unless someone is convicted. Given the chance, I’d vote to convict murtha of aiding and abetting the enemy, if not outright treason. Then justice would be done.

Texas Nick 77 on September 2, 2007 at 6:01 AM

Why do lawyers almost always appear sleezy no matter their backgound?

peacenprosperity on September 2, 2007 at 8:16 AM

Given the enemy fire these young guys where under I still believe they acted properly using their training to deal with the perceived threats.

KC-135A on September 2, 2007 at 10:41 AM

The fog of war. Drop all charges.

Zorro on September 1, 2007 at 7:00 PM

That does seem to be the most reasonable answer to this situation. Tragically it seems some civilians were killed but it doesn’t seem to be a deliberate act.

Yakko77 on September 2, 2007 at 10:47 AM

Yep. No justice unless someone is convicted. Given the chance, I’d vote to convict murtha of aiding and abetting the enemy, if not outright treason. Then justice would be done.

Texas Nick 77 on September 2, 2007 at 6:01 AM

Yep I have to agree with Murtha, in order for justice to be done regarding Haditha somebody has to be convicted. That someone should be Jack Murtha for committing treason.

doriangrey on September 2, 2007 at 11:13 AM

Jamie McIntyre appears to be upset that the Marines
could be found innocent. Blames everyone but the
enemy. He found a GI prosecutor to side with him.
Surprise , surprise.

Texyank on September 2, 2007 at 11:32 AM

Mcintye is a CNN dude. Sorry ! I forgot that. . .

Texyank on September 2, 2007 at 11:34 AM

It really pisses me off that this case was not cleared before those poor Marines were dragged through the mud. Our men and women fighting over there do not need to have this crap in the back of their mind.

Things like abu ghraib where there is a lot of evidence, I can see…but this has evidence to the contrary and the soldier that started all of this lying should be punished along with murtha. I bet he’s sweating bullets atm that the last one will be exonerated.

I’m looking forward to the last Marine to be cleared from this circus. They should never have been charged in the first place…the incident investigated sure…but not charged.

God help our soldiers.

Highrise on September 2, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Who is that moron CNN was interviewing?

“It would be difficult to say justice has been served if no one is convicted for Haditha.”

After seeing the video of the heavy combat they were engaged in.

Who should be convicted? And why?

Because the deaths are tragic? That alone requires a conviction of a Marine who put his life on the line fighting there?

Christoph on September 3, 2007 at 1:47 PM

Mojack420 on September 2, 2007 at 12:20 AM

I didn’t read your comment before posting, but right on the money.

Christoph on September 3, 2007 at 1:50 PM

Mcintye is a CNN dude. Sorry ! I forgot that. . .

Mcintyre is the Worst of the CNN dudes. I can’t remember all the stories at this moment, but the man is an unpatriotic enemy sympathizer.

I decided that some time ago.

Christoph on September 3, 2007 at 1:54 PM