Indictments in the Goose Creek case

posted at 3:07 pm on August 31, 2007 by Bryan

Explosives, terror and training charges.

Two Egyptian students at the University of South Florida were indicted Friday for carrying explosive materials across states lines and one of them was charged with teaching the other how to use them for violent reasons.

Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed, 24, an engineering graduate student and teaching assistant at the Tampa-based university, faces terrorism charges for teaching and demonstrating how to use the explosives.

Michelle has more.

How serious is this? Beats me, but the government tends to downplay terrorism connections when they’re obvious, so this is likely to be the real deal.

It’s probably too early to speculate on this, but what they hey, that’s what blogs are for: The two indicted today went to the University of South Florida, home base of former professor Sami al-Arian. He’s the computer engineering prof who was convicted on terrorism charges last year. Now come these two, students at the same school, indicted on terrorism charges.

I only bring this up not to draw any direct connection between the two cases where there may not be any, but to point out how terror recruiting often works. Dr. Tawfik Hamid, interviewed on Stak Attack a few weeks back, was recruited to the jihad in medical school where he found a terror-friendly atmosphere that brought in guest lecturers like Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri. The UK terror doctors were probably recruited in medical school or university as well. Contrary to the left’s notion that poverty and alienation breed terrorists, it’s usually the opposite: It’s the comfortable and educated who tend to be more susceptible to terror recruitment. Mohammad Atta had a PhD. In Dr. Hamid’s case, he went from secular and barely Muslim at all to full-blown jihadi in medical school. If the Goose Creek two turn out to be the real deal, their recruitment and radicalization may have taken place in engineering school at USF.

The point is, these guys aren’t coming out of Pakistani madrassahs where they do nothing but memorize the Koran. They’re coming out of respectable universities where they have earned respectable degrees in respectable fields. They’re not poor and they’re not alienated; they’re middle class or better and assimilated. And they’re jihadis.


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SuperMax……until their virgins are wrinkled.

Limerick on August 31, 2007 at 3:11 PM

They’re not poor and they’re not alienated; they’re middle class or better and assimilated. And they’re jihadis.

And they’re caught.
And we’re gonna catch/kill the rest until they give up.

JiangxiDad on August 31, 2007 at 3:12 PM

I remember liveblogging it as the news broke at some God-foresaken hour. It wasn’t long after it broke that they started down-playing it.

Limerick on August 31, 2007 at 3:11 PM

Agreed.

amerpundit on August 31, 2007 at 3:13 PM

The term “The Case for Internment” comes to mind….

BigAnge on August 31, 2007 at 3:15 PM

They’re coming out of respectable universities where they have earned respectable degrees in respectable fields….they’re middle class or better.

That’s in a profile. Doctors, Engineers.

…and assimilated

Was gonna snark on that, but on second thought, I will have do some thinking on what it means to be assimilated in our society today.

RushBaby on August 31, 2007 at 3:16 PM

The term “The Case for Internment” comes to mind….

BigAnge on August 31, 2007 at 3:15 PM

Maybe we could cut off all these Saudi (and other ME) student visas as a start. Crappy private schools cry foul, but who cares.

JiangxiDad on August 31, 2007 at 3:18 PM

Look at Arafat’s cabinet. It was full of Ph.D.’s. This is nothing new.

Those from Muslim countries seem to be a growing presence in academia. Most elite California engineering schools (i.e., not USF) are stock full of Persians. They have been for some time, but I’m seeing more and more Muslim names in my field as time goes on. Given that my field doesn’t help either terror activities or nuclear weapon development, it seemed like a good sign to me, so it’s sad to see that the results aren’t always so good.

By the way, Egypt is about the only Arab country with a decent reputation in the academic world. It’s a country full of hatred for the West. So I’m not surprised to see that these folks are Egyptian.

calbear on August 31, 2007 at 3:20 PM

A speeding ticket? Sounds like Timothy McVeigh, who was pulled over for a defective license plate.

Bigfoot on August 31, 2007 at 3:22 PM

Most elite California engineering schools (i.e., not USF) are stock full of Persians.

There’s a large Persian exile community in LA and here in the NYC area. Many are Jewish, in fact, but were pro-
Shah. They are, by and large, wealthy and well-educated. These may be who you are seeing.

JiangxiDad on August 31, 2007 at 3:23 PM

They’re coming out of respectable liberal universities where they have earned respectable degrees in respectable fields professors sympathetic to their cause.

Fixed it.

fogw on August 31, 2007 at 3:26 PM

Debbie Schlussel: BREAKING: Mega(hed) Indictment – Smiling “Just Fireworks” Terrorists Indicted

“So, FBI, what say you? We already know what CAIR will say.

And by the way, while the FBI is now taking the credit, it really belongs to the Sheriffs Deputies in South Carolina, upon whom the FBI cast doubt. They were proven correct, and hopefully will be further vindicated with a conviction, which is another hurdle.”

MB4 on August 31, 2007 at 3:37 PM

There’s a large Persian exile community in LA and here in the NYC area. Many are Jewish, in fact, but were pro-
Shah. They are, by and large, wealthy and well-educated. These may be who you are seeing.

That’s who I saw when I lived in L.A. However, when I was in grad school, a large number were recent immigrants, coming just for the education. (Many, for obvious reasons, stayed.) I remember being surprised at how Tehran was allowing so many of its students to study at the country that was the object of so much hatred for them. And that the U.S. was allowing them in.

calbear on August 31, 2007 at 3:38 PM

How many other universities are recruiting and radicalizing students?

Shoudl we be looking at Muslim Profs?

Kini on August 31, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Remember England, with the Doctors. People who believe in their faith like these guys do, it doesn’t matter if they are doctors, lawyers, senators, governors, U.N. chiefs, professors, they can all be crazy.

right2bright on August 31, 2007 at 3:54 PM

The term “The Case for Internment” comes to mind….

Maybe we could cut off all these Saudi (and other ME) student visas as a start. Crappy private schools cry foul, but who cares.

Shoudl we be looking at Muslim Profs?

One of the purposes of terror is to get us to uproot and degrade our lives. I remember when Bush said to go about our business as normal and people made fun of him, that shopping wouldn’t do anything to stop terrorism. Maybe not, but shopping does something to stop the effects of terrorism, which is just as important. So any steps we as a country take should keep that in mind. It’s fine if the FBI wants to monitor profs with suspected terror links. It’s quite another to decide to unnecessarily change policy to the detriment of America’s well-being. Tread carefully….

calbear on August 31, 2007 at 3:55 PM

I suspect that the “indict a ham sandwich” defense will not be employed….

rw on August 31, 2007 at 3:59 PM

“I suspect that the “indict a ham sandwich” defense will not be employed….”

Especially, ironic, given their religion.

georgej on August 31, 2007 at 4:23 PM

Gotta love the lazy media… Stupid Shep Smith painted them as kids with fireworks, then asked if there are any indications of terror, to which the reporter he was talking to said that the feds haven’t said so, but “people” (you and me) are speculating… I guess they haven’t seen the indictment?

RightWinged on August 31, 2007 at 7:18 PM

SuperMax……until their virgins are wrinkled.

sorry that would be just a bit to easy.
I am for putting them in the general prison population with the wrong ethnic group on the yard for say 15-30 minutes.

What happens on the yard stays on the yard .

end of story, game over and they can pick up their 72 virgins in hell at the all you can eat pork sandwich bbq and beer bash .

Mojack420 on September 1, 2007 at 1:21 AM

Ending immigration of people of the Islamic persuasion seemed rational after 9/11.

At least until they gave up the sanctified violence based in the Koran.

Guess our leaders know better.

So I can only wish that all of the politicos in favor of more Muslims for America are the ones hit hardest- and made deadest- the next time terroristic Islam strikes the West.

Maybe the next crop of leaders would be less suicidal.

Or is it delusional?

profitsbeard on September 1, 2007 at 3:07 AM