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You’re a liar, Esthier.

Try again Christoph.

Reread baldilocks’ story just one more time. Is it advocating racism simply because it prefers one form over another?

You’re alright with the story there, claiming it’s a valid view point but fail to see how it was written IN AGREEMENT WITH MINE, or rather, further explaining mine.

It’s only your own bias against me that has you believing I agree with Satanism.

I’ve tried to explain this to you, but you’re willfully ignorant when it comes to understanding that I don’t support Satanists.

Let me try one last time. I personally believe it’s better to shoot someone to death rather than torturing a person to death.

I don’t believe murder in any form is OK whatsoever. I condemn both of them just as I condemn pricks and Satanists; however, I think shooting is the lesser evil there.

That’s my last try to explain it. Next time I’ll just get baldilocks to say the same thing so you’ll read the comments without irrational anger.

And honestly, you’ve called me an idiot repeatedly; the cunt comment is no more insulting considering you’re just a screen name. If I cared at all what you think of me, I’d actually be as worthless as you believe me to be.

(and Satanism, apparently).

Esthier on September 3, 2007 at 6:33 PM

You’re a liar, Esthier.

Your words:

Following Satan is better than following nothing and criticizing everything like a self-righteous prick.

You stuck by those words.

Yes, you’d be better as a follower of Satan than as a prick.

You’re also a c–t.

Hey, you called me a prick. I figure we’re even.

Christianity may be called the daughter of Judaism, but I have never heard anyone call it a branch of Judaism.

I get your point. The first Christians certainly called themselves Jews, but it didn’t take long for a division to take hold.

Though, the Christians did more than just adopt another book. We also dropped all the Jewish customs, including circumcision. Mormons do seem to have kept, at least currently, many traditions that Christians do, which would at least explain why they call themselves Christians.

Had the early Christians decided that keeping Jewish tradition was important, they might have done the same.

Of course you are right regarding how Christians see Jews. However, my point in that paragraph was only that, while we see Christianity as stemming from Judaism, you do not hear Christians calling ourselves Jews. Christianity may be called the daughter of Judaism, but I have never heard anyone call it a branch of Judaism. It started out that way, but by the end of the Apostle Paul’s life, it had grown into something very different. One of the fundamental differences between Jews and Christians is that, while both religions accept the Hebrew Bible as Scripture, Christians also take the New Testament as Scripture. In this respect, the Mormons have done the same thing: They take the Christian Bible, but add the Book of Mormon.
As far as the issue of what, other than the Bible, are Christians to base our theology, I seriously doubt you will get an answer out of csdeven.

Please. right2bright is close to getting an education. I’m not going let this go off into lala land explaining it to you. She already has enough trouble staying focused.

csdeven on September 2, 2007 at 11:43 PM

But it seems crucial to this entire discussion. If Christians are not to base their theology on the Bible, then what is left? Our own opinions, hearing voices?

I’m being sincere, and though my opinion on Mormons is nearly nonexistent, I’ve been getting attacked based on a misguided theory that I support Mormonism (and Satanism, apparently).

One does not hear Christians arguing that we are “traditional Jews” because we aren’t-we have Christ and the New Testament that distinguishes us from the Jews. So, if Christians do not claim to be Jews, it is entirely appropriate to question whether Mormons are “traditional Christians.” The question does not even extend to whether the Mormon beliefs are true or not.

Lancer on September 3, 2007 at 12:42 AM

On this I slightly disagree. Christianity stems from Judaism, and (as Mormons likely feel in reference to Christianity) Christians feels Christ came and completed the earlier religion.

After all, the first Christians were Jews, and it literally took an act of God to convince them that this religion was meant for the gentiles as well.

We don’t call ourselves Jews, but we do claim them as the roots of our religion and nearly count them as spiritual brothers. We do worship the same God either way.

have been brainwashed by your paid pastor,
csdeven on September 3, 2007 at 11:11 AM

Doctrine and Covenants 42:71-73 states that bishops (as well as elders and high priests who assist these bishops) are to receive “a just remuneration for all their services.” Writing on this passage, Hyrum Smith and Janne Sjodahl state:

“The law of remuneration is that those who administer in spiritual affairs must have their stewardships and labor for their living, ‘even as the members.’ This is wisdom. For in that position they are absolutely independent and can preach the truth without fear. Those who administer in temporal affairs and give their entire time to public business are to have a just remuneration. If they were to earn a living for themselves they could not give all their time and energy to the community” (Doctrine and Covenants Commentary, 1973 edition, p.234).

And the bible says:

Paul defends a paid ministry in 1 Corinthians 9. He correctly concludes that pastors should be supported by comparing the minister to a soldier, a vinedresser, and a shepherd. Does that soldier go to war at his own expense? Does the vinedresser not eat of the fruit he has planted? Does not the shepherd drink the milk of his own flock?

So I guess Paul was a “heirling clergy” brainwashed, and not worth following. So now you are dissing one of Christs most loyal servants…you mormons have no shame.
Good idea for the mormon’s, all the more for the church to become wealthy, not having to pay clergy…but then you get what you pay for.
See how that cuts? One can use an argument that the mormon’
s are greedy.
But then even your doctrine says it is okay…confusing to you isn’t it, they say it is wrong to pay clergy, then tell you it is okay.
Well, they have both bases covered.

Lancer on September 3, 2007 at 11:32 AM

He is a dishonest debater. It is difficult to talk to someone who refuses to listen to what you are saying, and insists that you are saying something else, and then berates you as a bigot, or fool, or idiot, or whatever, for something you didn’t say, and for not accepting his ridiculous claims.

they teach that other Christians are brainwashed by their pastors
Rose on September 3, 2007 at 11:23 AM

Where does the LDS church teach that?

Heh. You completely missed the point of my posts. I refuse to have this debate on your terms exclusively.

Lancer is right – csdeven is both denying tenets of Christianity and Mormonism, and therefore, I cannot figure out his stake in the debate. Don’t feed him anymore.

nailinmyeye on September 3, 2007 at 11:14 AM

Bwahahahahaha!!!

Do you think anyone with at least half a brain is fooled by that load of horse $hit?! Your problem is that you started down the road I led you too and because your bigotry is so ingrained into your basis of faith, you arrogantly didn’t see it until it was too late!

Bottom line? You admitted exactly what I wanted you to and therefore my argument stands. Now, go back to your pastors bigoted teachings, stick your head back up your a$$ and live happily ever after.

Lancer on September 3, 2007 at 11:08 AM

YOU sir, are the poster child for keeping ones nose out of other persons discussions. Especially when you have not been involved from the beginning. I’m not going to side track all the great progress I am making with right2bright just to get you up to speed. So, get with the context of the discussion or butt out.