Here are some issues that fred? will have to deal with….

1) Family values
2) Washington insider
3) Being linked to the same profession as Abramoff
4) Pro-choice
5) Funneling cash to relatives
6) Lobbying for a dictator and against victims of asbestos poisoning
7) McCain/Feingold
8) No executive experience
9) Lazy
10) Do nothing career in congress
11) Washington playboy
12) He has cancer…and no, fred? does not get an absolute moral authority card for that. His health is a major issue.
13) His weakness on what to do in Iraq.
14) His weak grasp of the Cuban immigration issue.
15) He was forced into running by his wife and friends.

1) CSDevin is against divorce… ok. Interesting call there.

2) CSDevin thinks the other Politicians with more political experience are less Political Insiders… gotcha.

3) Um… worse than Politician?

4) Not exactly, no.

5) Interesting… you have proof I assume?

6) Ah, everything he ever looked at as a Lawyer/lobbyist is now his position. Clever.

7) One of many who have this problem.

8) So, all the Senators are out of the race?

9) Personal opinion as attack isn’t really a factual argument.

10) The type I generally prefer. See #7.

11) Personal opinion as attack isn’t really a factual argument.

12) Ok, I’d like a clean bill of health here for a 4 year period from a doctor. Good point.

13) Yep, because he should know now how this situation might change in the next year. Actually, could you fill me in on that?

14) Dunno, you might have something here; I’ve not heard anything on this.

15) Personal opinion as attack isn’t really a factual argument.

So, you’ve got a couple decent points, some personal attacks, some moralistic preaching, and some arguments that hit nearly everyone, in many cases worse than they hit Fred.

Nice job… so Fred in a cakewalk by csdeven. If this is the worst problems to come… easy run.

Allah reports that there are to be house parties held throughout the land in celebration. MR will even be holding our own house party in support of the campaign. Except by “house” we mean “bar” and by “party” we mean……

So now Newt Gingrich’s wholehearted endorsement constitutes an indelible stain on a Republican candidate?
logis on August 31, 2007 at 10:10 AM

No. The real candidates don’t get a bump from Newt, whereas fred? will. That is because freds? experience and history is so shallow that Newt makes him look better. Rudy and Mitt! have way more executive experience than Newt. And Mitt! has the family values edge on Newt.

Aren’t you the same idiots who said Fred Thompson’s only support among likely Republican Primary voters comes from Law and Order addicts?

Now all of a sudden, primary voters don’t watch anything on TV except pre-primary debates.

logis on August 31, 2007 at 10:00 AM

The genre of L&O is completely different than the genre of Jay Leno.

Next you’ll be telling me that Barney the Dinosaur and Gundam Wing both attract the same demographic.

fred? is the only candidate or non-candidate that gains credibility from associating themselves with Newt. The rest stand on their own and do not NEED Newt. Think about it….THAT is how inexperienced and vacuous freddie boy is.
csdeven on August 31, 2007 at 9:21 AM

So now Newt Gingrich’s wholehearted endorsement constitutes an indelible stain on a Republican candidate?

There are only two options here, either:

A) These guys are as liberal as Liberache’s more flambouyant “roomate,” or

B) They are hopelessly deranged to the point where they have forgotten that the concept of reason ever existed in the first place.

And it gets even simpler when you realize there’s no real difference between those two.

How many primary voters do you think watch Jay Leno? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
BKennedy on August 31, 2007 at 7:20 AM

Aren’t you the same idiots who said Fred Thompson’s only support among likely Republican Primary voters comes from Law and Order addicts?

Now all of a sudden, primary voters don’t watch anything on TV except pre-primary debates.

Shh… Fred IS Newt.
Mojave Mark on August 31, 2007 at 1:23 AM

fred? is the only candidate or non-candidate that gains credibility from associating themselves with Newt. The rest stand on their own and do not NEED Newt. Think about it….THAT is how inexperienced and vacuous freddie boy is.

I’ll bet you Fred! is seen by more people on Leno than those participating in the debate. It’s a smart move. It gets a bigger audience and he gets much more time to expound and connect with the electorate.

Or is that what’s got your panties in a bunch?

techno_barbarian on August 30, 2007 at 9:37 PM

Following that logic Fred? should appear on American Idol instead of Leno, then even more people would see him. They still wouldn’t have any freaking clue what he stands for, and probably wouldn’t even remember that he’s running for President. It isn’t how many people watch the debate, its what the purpose of the debate is: To see how the candidate’s differ from one another on issues of substance.

How many primary voters do you think watch Jay Leno? Yeah, that’s what I thought. Anyone who watches Jay Leno has already seen Fred a couple of times, as has anyone who watches or listens to Hannity. Fred is already “exposed to the public,” the only thing he hasn’t done is stood up and been counted with the other legitimate contenders. He had a perfect chance to do it. If he announced on the 4th instead of the 6th, he’d be offical and he could spin it that “as soon as we’re in, we’re in, and we’re taking it to the mat on the 5th (cheers and applause)!”

But he didn’t. Instead, he wants to tool around with Leno. Likely because while he’s still “unofficial,” Leno doesn’t have to invite on any of the other 7 candidates for a half hour.

If you’re talking about CS and BK, that’s totally out of line.

How many times have they sworn absolute allegence to the Republican Party; averred that they bear no bias against Fred Thompson in the slightest degree; and said they will GLADLY embrace Fred Thompson if it turns out he isn’t a flash in the pan? Dozens… hundreds?

Basically, the deal is this: if Fred Thompson does absolutely nothing at his first debate other than wet his pants and dribble, we will all have to admit that WE are all “namby pamby Fred? humpers.”

On the other hand, if it turns out they were wrong, and Fred Thompson’s numbers actually (gasp!)increase after he officially announces his candidacy, they will be honor bound to admit that they were both complete idiots, and that everyone else was absolutely right from the very beginning. What’s more, if Fred Thompson (gasper!) wins the Republican nomination, they will then embrace Fred Thompson as their only candidate; and they will happily forget that Ron Paul Mitt Romney ever existed.

I for one fully intend to honor my part of the bargain, and to hold them to it as well. In the meantime, we must all withhold judgement on the issue, and I’m sure they will return the favor.

logis on August 30, 2007 at 9:44 PM

I wouldn’t call it absolute allegiance to the Republican Party, I’d call it: “Oh Gods, I am NOT going to be responsible by comission or omission for putting that corrupt, lying, crony-loving, Socialist Nanny Stater in charge of anything more than the graveyard shift at the local McDonalds (I wouldn’t give her dogcatcher, that would be supporting animal abuse).”

I still want a conservative candidate, but I’ll settle for Queen Guiliani or New York DA Arthur Branch should that be the case. If the Dems actually put up someone who wasn’t a died-in-the-wool socialist (Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller was running) I might have voted for them, but the Clintons caused more damage to the office of the Presidency in 8 years than anyone else in history. That was in a time of peace. I don’t want Bonnie and Clyde in charge of this country during a war.

Only remaining question is who’ll share the ticket with him?

Mojave Mark on August 31, 2007 at 1:23 AM

May I suggest, “to balance the ticket,” Duncan Hunter?

The day the Republican primaries are over, the liberal press will attack ANY candidate we put forth with exactly equal hysteria.

logis on August 31, 2007 at 5:43 AM

The media would be just as happy with President Giuliani as they would President Hillery, thus they are playing softball with Rudy. If he was a true conservative, they would be on him like a pack of pit bulls on a poodle.

Shh… Fred IS Newt.
Mojave Mark on August 31, 2007 at 1:23 AM

That’s just your opinion.

…Well, and Newt Gingrich’s too. But since when are you two guys the experts on that?

WE MUST SAVE OUR COUNTRY. STOP THE FREDHEADS FROM GIVING THE WHITEHOUSE BACK TO THE CLINTONISTAS
tommylotto on August 30, 2007 at 9:22 PM

WE MUST SAVE OUR COUNTRY. STOP THE RUDY SUPPORTERS FROM GIVING THE WHITEHOUSE TO ANOTHER AMNESTY SUPPORTING, ILLEGAL ALIEN PANDERING RINO.
Hollowpoint on August 31, 2007 at 2:50 AM

Or better yet, let’s do both. The media have been telling us that McCain and Giuliani are our “only hope” for over a year now. Well, guess what? They aren’t doing that because they want to help us beat Hillary.

The day the Republican primaries are over, the liberal press will attack ANY candidate we put forth with exactly equal hysteria. (That’s why I always thought the fact that Newt was “damaged” by the press was a GOOD thing; he’s already been through the ringer.)

That means that Rudy’s media blow job would come to a particularly violent end, and his poll numbers will take a nationwide nose dive if he irreversably became our candidate. They made him; they can break him. So try plugging a ten percent hit into your little electoral calculator and see where that leaves The Only Man Who Can Beat Hillary.

WE MUST SAVE OUR COUNTRY. STOP THE FREDHEADS FROM GIVING THE WHITEHOUSE BACK TO THE CLINTONISTAS

tommylotto on August 30, 2007 at 9:22 PM

WE MUST SAVE OUR COUNTRY. STOP THE RUDY SUPPORTERS FROM GIVING THE WHITEHOUSE TO ANOTHER AMNESTY SUPPORTING, ILLEGAL ALIEN PANDERING RINO.

Here is Hillary vs Giuliani and vs Thompson

bnelson44 on August 30, 2007 at 9:40 PM

That’s only for Pennsylvania.

Nationally it’s (as of Aug 14th):

Rudy Giuliani (R) 47%

Hillary Clinton (D) 40%

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Fred Thompson (R) 43%

Hillary Clinton (D) 46%

Looking at the approval ratings, 97% expressed an opinion about Rudy but only 85% did with Thompson, suggesting Fred has an opportunity to improve if he can win over some of those unfamiliar with him.

And the bragging that fred? is smart because he hasn’t spent a dime yet is in second place, forgets the fact that because fred? is not in the race, no one knows what he really stands for. They are voting for some character that played on a TV show. They are voting for a facade.

I’m glad he’s getting in. I want to see how he responds to the questions about his sorted history. There are sooooo many topics that he has zero credibility on that he’s going to have to keep up with the folksy banter and try to slip some BS past some folks.

Here are some issues that fred? will have to deal with….

1) Family values
2) Washington insider
3) Being linked to the same profession as Abramoff
4) Pro-choice
5) Funneling cash to relatives
6) Lobbying for a dictator and against victims of asbestos poisoning
7) McCain/Feingold
8) No executive experience
9) Lazy
10) Do nothing career in congress
11) Washington playboy
12) He has cancer…and no, fred? does not get an absolute moral authority card for that. His health is a major issue.
13) His weakness on what to do in Iraq.
14) His weak grasp of the Cuban immigration issue.
15) He was forced into running by his wife and friends.

So, it appears that we have finally shamed that lying faker, freddie boy to grow a pair of stones and enter the race. Now, we get to have all these questions answered.

And there is still the possibility that fred? is going to take these new funds that were waiting for him, put them in the coffers and quit a few weeks, or months later. Thereby allowing him to funnel all that juicy cash to his family. He’s done it before. How many other candidates have done that?

Yeah, but when is Newt announcing? Editor on August 30, 2007 at 3:26 PM

Shh… Fred IS Newt.

Time for the Fred-heads to par-tay! He’s in 2nd place and he hasn’t even left the gate. Now THERE’S a politician. He’s not a perfect conservative 10 but I’ll settle for an 8. And as far as his wife is concerned… JE-ri, JE-ri, JE-ri…

Only remaining question is who’ll share the ticket with him?

Yawwwwn…..
“Fred Thompson’s campaign-in-waiting will hold a 4 p.m. conference call today with supporters to brief them on plans for the former Tennessee senator’s presidential announcement next week, according to an e-mail obtai…

If you Fred bashers acknowledge the fact that you would support him if he’s The One then it probably makes sense to keep your yaps sealed until you see him perform one way or another in combat. Otherwise, you are just talking smack.

Weber48IDA on August 30, 2007 at 10:02 PM

Golly, do ya’ think?

That’s why I’m so convinced they have to be either closet Ron Paul supporters or out-and-out Mobys. ‘Cause otherwise, all this slash-and-burn crap makes no sense.

Seriously, if somebody like Duncan Hunter had waited until now to announce would anyone be pitching a screaming fit about it? Of course not. The only reason anyone has for singling out Fred Thompson for abuse is that he’s becoming too popular, too quickly. And there’s no way anyone who wants the Republican party to WIN would react that way.

That’s a damned hard pile to sell; and that’s why they’re straining so hard to sell it.

This is lunacy. Polls numbers, huh? Sheep. Hillary has high poll numbers. Why aren’t they supporting her?
Weber48IDA on August 30, 2007 at 10:02 PM

Yo Web. I might be misunderstanding, but I believe logis was waxing sarcastic in that post you quoted. He’s poking our resident rabid Fred!haters. Good job of it, too.

Weber48IDA on August 30, 2007 at 10:02 PM

If Fred can’t withstand our little “yaps and smack”, how well do you think he will perform in “combat”?