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sonofliberty on September 1, 2007 at 8:05 AM

Yawn… heavy on fearmongering, absent of facts.

Doomed? Come on – how exactly are they selling us out? Cheaper goods and products for the consumers is a bad thing?

Bradky

Yeah you can enjoy your cheap t.v. when you watch
the nuke go off.The goverment needs to protect our
borders not give the bad guys another easy way in!

I’d say that Hillary isn’t the only politician in the pocket of the Chinese these days.

Bradky on August 31, 2007 at 9:54 AM

Do you really think retailers will pass on the the savings to the consumers..?? If you do, you are really living in a dream world. I say they would cut-throat amer. drivers and pocket the money and take that money right to the nearest horror house. These are americans who in large part also have a lot of their kids fighting for this country. Fighting so you can sit here and post..Who do you think has their kids over there..Its not anyone from the WSJ, not even the upper middle class anymore. No most are the dirt poor. And if you want to keep a viable military fighting force for when you grow up, you will find that paying these folks a higher wage is a good thing for you and your offspring. Let me explain. When they can’t afford but to have 1 or 2 kids because of the low wages that you and doriangrey have planned for them, where now are you going to get your army of the future to protect daddy’s castle. Or maybe you feel having an all ghetto army is the wave of the future..I see the gangs in there now and I kind of like the armies of the past. If a familiy has 4,5 or up kids, a few join up no problem. On the other hand if you have lets say one son, then no way is Mom or Dad going to want to see him guarding your castle when you have given them so much pain. Most elites feel that if you put people in a soup line they will do anything. Well times were a lot lot different back in the 20’s. Most people now adays have had a taste of the good life unlike the 20’s folk who were for the most part dirt poor to begin with and took the soup lines with a grain of salt. Try and pull that in todays society and I will say no one will be safe. I only tell you this because I truly believe another depression will not be anything like the last one. And if I’m wrong and you and doriangrey plan works then more power to ya.

Capitalism’ is not about unlimited screw-you opportunism, it is about preferring private ownership and competition to collectivism, nationalization and redistribution.

That’s I think this is still a bad idea. Instead of confronting anti capitalist practices of Driver’s Unions such as the teamsters because they are feared. The Spinless are taking the back door way by hiring non Union, (Non Citizen) drivers from another nation. This will bite us in the ass because the Nation of Mexico is Socialist. It won’t be long until these drivers are under the strong arm thumb of Cartels in Mexico. There is no freedom without thugs taking their cut by force.

I don’t think we have to imagine to hard.

What’s wrong with a border Depot? Teamsters have a lock on the rates charged and labor used but we should address that issue head on instead of trying to go around them.

$hit or get off the pot. Mexico cannot supply enough truckers to replace the O/Os. Park your rigs and see how long it takes for the government to cave. If they don’t what’s the difference you’re all “according to you” going out of business anyways.

Fallacious. Underpriced competition drives down the price that O/O operators are able to charge – whether or not they can be fully ‘replaced’ by Mexicans. There will reach a point where it will not be profitable enough for them to do business, whether or not there is a demand for their services or not. That is to say, a demand may go unmet if it is unaffordable to provide or purchase.

Granted as usual they are exaggerating their concerns, but more than likely they are also thinking long-term. Which makes sense, since many of them have families, they need not just secure income now but a reasonable security over time to afford supporting their families. Some might go out of business before they need to just to get a head start in a different business.

In short, we will begin to bleed truck drivers as they are replaced by their underpriced ‘competition’. If and only if these Mexican drivers/carriers must pay tariffs equivalent to their share of the road tax, pass inspections and have certifications should they be allowed to roll.

‘Capitalism’ is not about unlimited screw-you opportunism, it is about preferring private ownership and competition to collectivism, nationalization and redistribution. If you want to think that Capitalism must be Lassez Faire to be Capitalism at all, you’re living in the wrong country. Certain limits are mandatory, which our history of flim-flam artists and snake-oil salesmen should paint a clear picture of.

Or am I not making myself clear?

There is only one Presidential candidate who is talking about the disadvantageous (and by disadvantageous I mean really economically STUPID) and unfair trade deals we’ve made since WWII, and how he plans to roll them back. He will renegotiate it all, so that Americans have a level field to compete on. That includes CHINA.

Duncan Hunter.

Are the Mexican trucking companies going to have any standards for protecting their drivers, such as not allowing them to drive more than a certain number of hours each day, etc?

What about background checks for the drivers? All kind of mischief could occur if a bunch of Jose Carranzas come in as truck drivers

This is a strong reason to not allow illegal aliens to work in this country — they have no protection if they are abused by their employers, and the public has no recourse if they get ripped off by an illegal alien.

We’re doing very well right now without all of these potential problems. There is absolutely no need to bring in all of this underpriced competition for American truckers.

doriangray said: “Pull you head out of… I never made any thing even resembling such a suggestion.”

Oh really? Then what did you mean by “Capitalism equals competition, in the capitalistic system you compete or you go out of business”? Not that that’s wrong, mind you, on a level playing field – but for a First World country to be forced to compete with Third World wages IN OUR OWN COUNTRY is inherently unfair.

“if you want5 to get ahead in my industry you have to get an advanced education, I have a fricking B.F.A and thats only enough to put me one rung higher on the ladder than my foreign national competition who don’t have anything other than a few months on the job experience. So no, I don’t have any sympathy for you guys at all.

When you have to have a master degree to drive a truck and make 35,000.00 a year then come crying to me and maybe I’ll be sympathetic.”

Yeah, that’s pretty pathetic. And it explains a lot – I’d be bitter too if I were you. It sounds like foreign nationals have an advantage that requires you to make herculean efforts to stay ahead of lesser-qualified individuals. But I have to ask – what have you been doing about it for the past few decades? Did you organize? Strike? Oppose it in any way? Have you personally done anything to protect your own industry that you demand the truckers do to save theirs? (Once again, Americans having to do the job the American government WON’T DO.)

See, doriangray, that’s kind of my whole point. Of all the unconstitutional powers our government has taken upon itself, trade is ONE of the few things they are supposed to protect. Our government is bound by their Constitutional powers to protect the interests of American industry and workers. Yet, just as with our border, they REFUSE to do it, instead forcing our citizens to compete with Third World, under-trained, and under-educated (as per your own example) nationals.

100 Mexican carriers isn’t $hit.

If you think it will stop there, you’re sadly naive. It never does. NAFTA is a perfect case in point. Here in Texas, one of the agreements of NAFTA promised that an increase in Mexican exports of goods and services would lead to a fall in illegal immigration into the United States (i.e., that we would import goods, not people). Just the reverse has happened. The United States is importing both at unprecedented levels. So today it might be 100 carriers with 100 trucks apiece, and five years from now it might be five times that. Wait until you see the proliferation of Mexican truckers within in the next couple of years. What they don’t have today, will be there tomorrow in droves.

By the way, I’m sorry about your job situation. It sounds like it really sucks, so I’ll back off. I haven’t taken anything personal, especially the whole wanting to toss me under a truck thing ;), because it sounds like you’re in a tough spot.

Independent American truckers are the best thing about our highways. They are Americans, They are loyal. When police are looking for someone on the road our truckers keep an eye out.

American truckers are barely surviving now.

I waited at a bus stop with a trucker hitching his way home because he couldn’t afford the last repair. He was financed to the hilt and worked unbelievable jobs to stay above water. No way can he maintain a legal life style, insurance and all and compete with the Mexicans.

Why don’t we just throw in the towel, open the gates and let the Mexicans have it all because we cannot compete against this. Ralph Nader warned about the safety issues of Mexican trained drivers on our roads and having trucks and trucking companies that were not US based. These people have no incentive to be good to the US, their only incentive is to avoid getting caught.

Station a truck in Mexico and it can be furbished in the best way to avoid security inspections. Switching to American trucks at the border was invaluable for our national security.

Spanish speaking transformers piss me off too.

Just be on the lookout for El Optimo Primo hauling in a dirty bomb the Al Qaeda Islamicons gave him before crossing the border.

At this point, I would really love to hear doriangray’s response to Big Old Dog’s reality check on the trucking industry.

His reality check was…Bull$hit…10% of the 3.3 million truckers in America are O/Os. There are over 360,000 carriers. 100 Mexican carriers isn’t $hit.

Doriangray has no sympathy for hard-working American families (entrepreneurs) – “shit or get off the pot”. I wonder how many truckers could afford to not get paid at all for a few weeks while they make a stand for our country that our government isn’t willing to make.

How many of the 330,000 O/Os can afford to not get paid at all, not just temporarily?

He calls our American truckers whiners and I guess he believes they deserve what they get if they can’t compete with Third World labor.

Welcome to the real world.

He suggests that pure capitalism would cause them to lower their prices (regardless of their higher costs living in a regulated First World country) to match those of truckers living in a Third World country.

Pull you head out of… I never made any thing even resembling such a suggestion.

Interesting. I’m curious what job doriangray has that he would be so willing to compete with his counterpart in Mexico for a fraction of what he makes now.

I’m a quality Control Inspector in San Diego Ca. been doing that for a long fu^king time.

Way to toss your fellow Americans under the truck, doriangray. You big semi-informed, tough guy capitalist, you.

My pleasure, just let me know when I can toss you under as well. Like a hell of a lot of Americans I work in an industry where there is a lot of competition, not just from my fellow Americans but from foreign nationals as well.

A full half of the people I work with are foreign nationals so suck it up. Welcome to the world the other half of America has been living in for the last 4 decades. My boss is a Russian and my co-workers are Mexican and Filipino, so you know where you can stick your BS.

Guys like you and BOD threw us under the truck decades ago, if you want5 to get ahead in my industry you have to get an advanced education, I have a fricking B.F.A and thats only enough to put me one rung higher on the ladder than my foreign national competition who don’t have anything other than a few months on the job experience. So no, I don’t have any sympathy for you guys at all.

When you have to have a master degree to drive a truck and make 35,000.00 a year then come crying to me and maybe I’ll be sympathetic.

oldernslower on August 30, 2007 at 7:50 PM

The answer to your question is pictured above in a chain link chest plate holding a sword.

jedijson on August 31, 2007 at 10:14 AM

There are 16,000 deaths a year caused by drunk drivers. Are you only concerned about the ones caused by illegals? How about toughening up the penalties for drunk driving so that it puts all drunk drivers behind bars?

It’s not enough that we have to have illegal alien drunk drivers on our streets killing Americans, but now we have to give them GIGANTIC TRUCKS so they can do it ever so much better?

I wonder… After the first person is killed by an illegal alien driving a big rig while schnockered, who will the remaining family memebers sue? The US Government for allowing such idiocy, or the Mexican company that owns the trucks? It certainly won’t make much difference. I mean, it’s not like the family will get anything, even if they win…

Supporters of the plan say letting more Mexican trucks on U.S. highways will save American consumers hundreds of millions of dollars.

What a crock. It will save American corporations hundreds of millions of dollars which will not necessarily reflect lower consumer prices, while exposing American motorists to further highway danger.

Currently these Mexican Trucks must (somewhere) unload onto American trucks who continue their transport into America. Sounds to me that there will be one less chance of spotting WMD’s and WMI’s coming into our nation.

WMI= wayward Mexican Illegals

sonofliberty on August 31, 2007 at 9:47 AM

Doomed? Come on – how exactly are they selling us out? Cheaper goods and products for the consumers is a bad thing?

Redhead Infidel on August 31, 2007 at 9:45 AM

Good points about the truckers. Not an easy job, with a lot of pressure to cheat on the hours driven and a lot of time away from loved ones. They definitely earn their money.

The only real criticism I have about truckers is how much they speed and the risks that poses. I understand this is caused in part by the pressure to get to the destination faster than they should.