First Mexican trucks set to roll inside U.S. on Saturday

posted at 6:54 pm on August 30, 2007 by Allahpundit

Been getting e-mails about this all day, some from the NAU freaks who think it’s the “next step” in the Master Plan and some from sober folks like See-Dubya who say, quite rightly, that cargo shipments across the border without inspection are an invitation to disaster.

Supporters of the plan say letting more Mexican trucks on U.S. highways will save American consumers hundreds of millions of dollars.

Labor and driver-owner groups have been fighting the measure — part of the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement — since it was first proposed, saying the program will erode highway safety and eliminate U.S. jobs.

A one-year demonstration project would allow 100 Mexican motor carriers full access to U.S. roads. It can begin as soon as the inspector general certifies that safety and inspection plans and facilities are sufficient to ensure the Mexican trucks are as safe as U.S. trucks.

Since 1982, Mexican trucks have had to stop within a buffer border zone and transfer their loads to U.S. trucks.

The Teamsters have gone to court to stop them, as has the Owner-Operator Independent Driver Association. Exit question: Benign capitalist venture or a case for Sir Tancelot?

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Glad to see W is sending the rolling torpedoes our way and that is will make our porous border so much secure.

400lb Gorilla on August 30, 2007 at 6:56 PM

Gee, truck loads of illegals and drugs(remember only Mexican national are allowed to posses more than 500lbs). How special. Thanks Bush and the Democrats.

pat on August 30, 2007 at 6:59 PM

they have been coming over into California for years,in fact they are on my block AS WE Speak,no kidding
Bob

Bobnormal on August 30, 2007 at 7:00 PM

time to impeach yet?

zane on August 30, 2007 at 7:02 PM

Look at the carnage illegal Mexicans cause on our roads just with their passenger cars.

Now imagine they’re driving fully loaded semis.

Except now it’s legal.

infidel4life on August 30, 2007 at 7:03 PM

the NAU freaks

Do you really think Jerome Corsi is a freak AP?

infidel4life on August 30, 2007 at 7:05 PM

As long as those trucks speak English, I’m OK with it.

Weight of Glory on August 30, 2007 at 7:05 PM

Been getting e-mails about this all day, some from the NAU freaks who think it’s the “next step” in the Master Plan and some from sober folks like See-Dubya who say, quite rightly, that cargo shipments across the border without inspection are an invitation to disaster

I can’t fathom why you think the distinction you are making is important. What is the difference if the problem has an official name and is created by an evil conspiracy or if it just happening out of incompetence and shortsightedness? The results will be the same. Make your posts about the actual problem not the strawman conspiracy please.

Resolute on August 30, 2007 at 7:07 PM

Truck driver came into my Pawnshop and told me it started Monday and that would be the nail in the coffin for him.

Drtuddle on August 30, 2007 at 7:07 PM

I wonder how many hours it will take before one of the trucks is involved in an fatal accident.

RushBaby on August 30, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Well, often sober, but thanks.

I’m torn on this. Mexico won’t do any better unless it gets legitimate industry and can sell what that industry produces. It needs to develop a politically powerful middle class who demand order and security. I’m fine with stuff we need being manufactured there. I’m fine with getting a lot of our labor from there.

But damn, we’re opening ourselves up to a world of hurt if we don’t check this stuff out before it gets here.

see-dubya on August 30, 2007 at 7:09 PM

As long as those trucks speak English, I’m OK with it.

Weight of Glory on August 30, 2007 at 7:05 PM

Spanish speaking transformers piss me off too.

BadgerHawk on August 30, 2007 at 7:09 PM

BadgerHawk on August 30, 2007 at 7:09 PM

Heh.

Weight of Glory on August 30, 2007 at 7:13 PM

Exit question: Benign capitalist venture or a case for Sir Tancelot?

That’s a great picture of Tom Terrific. I might put it up as wallpaper.

Answer: A case for Sir Tancelot. The Mexican military, the police, and the government are corrupt. But truck drivers are incorruptible?

I think it would be easier to bring components for nuclear devices in trucks than it would be to carry them in on your back across the desert. The trucks really need to be inspected each time they enter the country.

I thought there was a will in Washington to make our ports more secure, not less secure. Guess I was wrong.

jaime on August 30, 2007 at 7:14 PM

Ports yes. Roads? Myeehhhh….

see-dubya on August 30, 2007 at 7:15 PM

All kidding aside, it’s a dangerous plan. We already know that jihadists are teamed up with Mexican drug runners to finance their operations. With this, not all trucks have been inspected. Someone in government needs to do the math.

amerpundit on August 30, 2007 at 7:16 PM

The Bush Administration’s tunnel vision on this issue is astounding.

hillbillyjim on August 30, 2007 at 7:17 PM

I love that Tancelot pic!

and I agree with See-Dub, this could be a disaster if we aren’t scrutinizing what’s coming in here. Didn’t we just have a story about terrorist groups getting involved with drug gangs in Mexico and Central America a few weeks ago? Its tough, because as See-Dub said, you know that as long as Mexico is such an unbalanced country, its gonna be a problem for us. Of course, having weapons and explosives smuggled is gonna be a problem too.

Bad Candy on August 30, 2007 at 7:19 PM

Roads? Myeehhhh….

see-dubya on August 30, 2007 at 7:15 PM

Yeah. This is one of those things where my legal knowledge is not good enough to tell me exactly the kinds of international incidents that are bound to occur, but…can’t ya just feel it in yer gut…once this starts the bottom is going to fall out quickly.

Weight of Glory on August 30, 2007 at 7:21 PM

see-dubya on August 30, 2007 at 7:15 PM

Air Ports
Sea Ports
Land Ports

An opening for entry or exit. At least that’s what I always thought.

jaime on August 30, 2007 at 7:23 PM

Sort of like the port on my computer.

jaime on August 30, 2007 at 7:23 PM

time to impeach yet?

Time to get a real conservative in the House. Not that liberal pansy nitwit from Yale. A real conservative.

Mexican trucks? As if Mexican trucks will meet US requirements if inspected. Nothing in Mexico meets western standards. Hell, you can’t even drink their water without getting sick, why should a large machine with hundreds of precision moving parts be safe?

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 7:29 PM

So strange, I’m cheering for the teamsters here. Weird. And I don’t get why border security is not an issue for Pres. Bush. Seriously, why is that?

I like that Tancredo picture:) Agree with him or not, he is a man of conviction whose opponents fall on to calling him a bigot or racist.

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2007 at 7:30 PM

Look at the carnage illegal Mexicans cause on our roads just with their passenger cars.

Um, I kinda see a difference between someone employed as a truck driver in Mexico and someone in the U.S. who’s already broken at least one law.

MamaAJ on August 30, 2007 at 7:35 PM

Yeah, I’m less concerned with the Mexican truck drivers themselves, more concerned about issues of insurance, safety, what they’re hauling and who has access to their trailors, that sort of thing.

Bad Candy on August 30, 2007 at 7:37 PM

So strange, I’m cheering for the teamsters here. Weird. And I don’t get why border security is not an issue for Pres. Bush. Seriously, why is that?

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2007 at 7:30 PM

Because Bush doesn’t believe in the notion of the sovereign state – neither does anyone in his family, evidently.

I want Bush, and the whole Bush clan, exiled to Mexico after he’s out of office (the sooner the better). They all disgust me to no end.

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 7:42 PM

Like some others here, I think the main issue here is safety. Are the trucks well maintained? Are they going to have to have a special license to enter the US?
.
I want them inspected by US inspectors, not Mexican ones who will pass any truck for the right bribe.

Bad Penny on August 30, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Do we really want Cheech Marin piloting an 18-wheeler through the innocent corn fields of Kansas? Sooner or later, if he doesn’t crash, he will have to stop to take a leak. Then you’re going to have to lock up your daughters.

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 7:45 PM

I hope ya’all got your full coverage auto insurance paid up.

This will get ugly really fast.

Lawrence on August 30, 2007 at 7:48 PM

Because Bush doesn’t believe in the notion of the sovereign state – neither does anyone in his family, evidently.
I want Bush, and the whole Bush clan, exiled to Mexico after he’s out of office (the sooner the better). They all disgust me to no end.
progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 7:42 PM

If they retire to the Texas ranch it might come to them.

Resolute on August 30, 2007 at 7:49 PM

Resolute on August 30, 2007 at 7:49 PM

LOL. Sad, but true.

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 7:49 PM

The Repubs pulled a good one on us in 2000 with this liberal Bush…so, who can we trust in ’08 to close these open boarders. Bush is make me puke to think I voted for him, twice.

oldernslower on August 30, 2007 at 7:50 PM

I avoid I-35 like the plague anyway. I guess this provides another good rationale…

Blacklake on August 30, 2007 at 7:54 PM

For the life of me I can’t see why anyone would think this is a good idea from any viewpoint. Besides giving a big boost to smuggling, the threat of huge trucks barreling down the highway driven by someone who may have never had to follow U.S.traffic laws before, the trucks themselves not being held to U.S, safety standards, the loss of more American jobs, and the threat to national security, what good does this do for America?

Guardian on August 30, 2007 at 7:55 PM

Ports yes. Roads? Myeehhhh….

see-dubya on August 30, 2007 at 7:15 PM

Exactly.

The Ugly American on August 30, 2007 at 7:58 PM

Because Bush doesn’t believe in the notion of the sovereign state – neither does anyone in his family, evidently.

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 7:42 PM

Just for arguments sake, lets accept that statement to be true. Do you think he takes the threat of islamic jihad seriously?

If so, it must create cognitive dissonance to be concerned about the threat of dirty bombs etc and simultaneously be aggressively lax on border security issues.

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2007 at 8:01 PM

what good does this do for America?

Neocons will tell you it is good because we get wal-mart TVs for $1 cheaper. That way, when you lose your job, or take a pay cut, resulting from all this lower wage Mexican competition, that one dollar might come in handy. For every TV you buy, that is a free cup of coffee while you scan the job section.

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 8:01 PM

let me guess they don’t have to keep a driver log either.

would be interesting to see what kinda reaction they will get.

Mojack420 on August 30, 2007 at 8:01 PM

Do we really want Cheech Marin piloting an 18-wheeler through the innocent corn fields of Kansas? Sooner or later, if he doesn’t crash, he will have to stop to take a leak. Then you’re going to have to lock up your daughters.

Oh, knock it off. Is it possible to talk about safety issues without crap like this?

I don’t know what to think about this subject. I agree that not checking cargo is just begging for trouble. I’m not sure if the safety inspections are enough or not. What is this buffer zone and how many problems have there been in it?

This line at the end of the article is interesting. I’d love to see someone follow up on it:

According to the CHP, 18 percent of Mexican carriers were sidelined in 2006. That figure stands in contrast with the 19 percent of American companies.

MamaAJ on August 30, 2007 at 8:03 PM

Just for arguments sake, lets accept that statement to be true. Do you think he takes the threat of islamic jihad seriously?

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2007 at 8:01 PM

Not as seriously as he should. Bush has done, in my estimation, the absolute minimum possible against the arab/persian/muslim enemies. Of course, a lib would have done even less.

If so, it must create cognitive dissonance to be concerned about the threat of dirty bombs etc and simultaneously be aggressively lax on border security issues.

I don’t think that Bush is smart enough to be bothered by this inconsistency, but the dissonance is quite extraordinary and mind-boggling.

Clear evidence is found, however, in the fact that Bush has never been able to explain why he wants lax borders. His arguments for the surrender of sovereignty bill was based, mostly, on the problem being too big to handle any other way (as Bush is letting it get even bigger after having made that argument).

If it weren’t for Iran and the need to do something about Iran soon, I would be calling for Bush’s impeachment for trying to surrender US sovereignty. I only hold back because Iran is such a serious matter – that Bush will probably screw up, anyway …

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 8:25 PM

It’s not just a matter of inspecting the cargo it’s a matter of public safety. The trucks themselves don’t meet US safety standards and neither do the drivers. How may of them can even read English to follow road signs?

My primary customers are Independent Owner/Operators across the US. These guys are barely making it as it is. If push comes to shove they will shut down this country.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 8:27 PM

Is it possible to talk about safety issues without crap like this?

Not for me. Mexico is essentially a narco state with a hostile, alien culture. I take into account the big picture, not just tire pressure.

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 8:27 PM

This is insane.

For once I hope the Teamster muscle is strong enough to stop this.

INC on August 30, 2007 at 8:29 PM

As always, another Tancredo smear.

You state there is a problem with “uninspected trucks”, then make fun of the only presidential candidate that would actually do anything about it.

Print this story out Allah, ask someone to read it and guess which website it came from, and you may get a few people that guess it was from Daily Kos, due to the snide way you portray TRUE conservatives.

bucktowndusty on August 30, 2007 at 8:29 PM

I summon Gregor… tell us what time it is, playa

RightWinged on August 30, 2007 at 8:32 PM

I don’t think that Bush is smart enough to be bothered by this inconsistency, but the dissonance is quite extraordinary and mind-boggling.

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 8:25 PM

I would offer the caveat that Bush could argue that the arab/persian/muslim threat (which Bush has not been able to even identify, seeing how they are all subjects of the “religion of peace”) is against Western civilization, in general, and not against the US specifically. He could argue this while maintaining consistency with his desire to eliminate our sovereignty, as a prelude to the destruction of all sovereign states and a “UN” to run things. That would be consistent, though stunningly stupid.

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 8:33 PM

Not only does Bush want to give away our roads, but remember, he tried to give away our ports to arabic, muslim countries.

The whole thing is more than just cognitive dissonance. Even a broken clock is right twice day. Bush has never been right on these issues. If it was just internal conflict, he would get some things right by virtue of the law of averages. But he doesn’t. He always sides the other way, the way the Left would side. Spooky.

Tear off that mask. It’s Jimmy Carter underneath. Somewhere in Texas, the real George Bush is gagged and tied to a chair.

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 8:35 PM

Is it just me or is out country crumbling. If the jihadis were smart they would just sit back and watch us destroy ourselves. BTW, anyone ever see civil war 2?

boomer on August 30, 2007 at 8:37 PM

I’m concerned about safety because there is a lot of truck traffic where I live. However, I don’t give a shit about the Teamsters because they have actively promoted open borders for immigration and didn’t give a damn when the wages for other people’s jobs went into the toilet. Now, they want us to worry about them? No gracias!

Blake on August 30, 2007 at 8:38 PM

Good God you guys are retards. News flash…Mexican Truck Drivers been driving their trucks across the California Mexico Border by the tens of thousands since 1994. And if you think they have been restricted to only driving in California then you seriously need to put the crack pipe down.

This statement is highly deceptive…

A one-year demonstration project would allow 100 Mexican motor carriers full access to U.S. roads. It can begin as soon as the inspector general certifies that safety and inspection plans and facilities are sufficient to ensure the Mexican trucks are as safe as U.S. trucks.

They already have full access to U.S. roads, at present they are just restricted to one port of entry.

And this statement simply isnt true.

Since 1982, Mexican trucks have had to stop within a buffer border zone and transfer their loads to U.S. trucks.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 8:38 PM

Rollin’, rollin’, rollin’.
Rollin’, rollin’, rollin’.
Dollarhide!
Hah! Hah!

Keep rollin’, rollin’, rollin’,
Though the highways are swollen,
Keep them coolies rollin’, dollar hide.
Through rain and wind and weather,
Hell bent for merging us all together,
Knowin’ my Presidents not on my side.
All the things I’m missin’,
Good government, congressmen, and workin’,
Aren’t waiting at the end of the ride.

Move ‘em in, head ‘em in,
Head ‘em in, move ‘em in.
Move ‘em in, head ‘em in:
Dollarhide.
Cut ‘em in, ride ‘em in,
Ride ‘em in, cut ‘em in,
Cut ‘em in, ride ‘em in:
Dollarhide!
Hah! Hah!

Movin’, movin’, movin’,
Though Americas disapprovin’,
Keep them coolies movin’, dollarhide.
Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just open up our country even more to ‘em.
Soon we’ll be living low and wide.
My heart’s calculatin’,
My true country won’t anymore be waitin’:
Waitin’ at the end of my ride.

Move ‘em in, head ‘em in,
Head ‘em in, move ‘em in.
Move ‘em in, head ‘em in:
Dollarhide.
Cut ‘em in, ride ‘em in,
Ride ‘em in, cut ‘em in,
Cut ‘em in, ride ‘em in:
Dollarhide!
Hah! Hah!

MB4 on August 30, 2007 at 8:51 PM

This was all part of NAFTA passed under Clinton. Except for implementation, Boosh is not to blame.

It was a deal-killer when I learned about it.

Valiant on August 30, 2007 at 8:55 PM

Oh Allah… I’m so disappointed, I thought you had found new respect for Tank.

Maxx on August 30, 2007 at 8:57 PM

If it weren’t for Iran and the need to do something about Iran soon, I would be calling for Bush’s impeachment for trying to surrender US sovereignty. I only hold back because Iran is such a serious matter – that Bush will probably screw up, anyway …

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 8:25 PM

Oh come on now, what on earth are you talking about?

You have noticed what a good job Bush has done with Iraq haven’t you?

How could a brilliant strategist like that possibly screw up on Iran?

MB4 on August 30, 2007 at 9:00 PM

Yes, for reasons of efficiency and cost, not every single thing that goes over the border is searched. This has always been the case, and it has nothing to do with the citizenship of who’s allowed to drive where. (Similar deal with bags going onto airplanes.)

But describing that as if suddenly the borders are now gonna be open to drug traffickers is just silly. I see no reason why this changes smuggling operations to any substantial degree.

This thread is full of ignorant fear-mongering.

sandberg on August 30, 2007 at 9:05 PM

In other words, not searching every piece of cargo that crosses the border is nothing new, and conflating it with NAFTA is just fear-mongering.

sandberg on August 30, 2007 at 9:07 PM

This thread is full of ignorant fear-mongering.

sandberg on August 30, 2007 at 9:05 PM

Do you work for the W$J?

MB4 on August 30, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Lindsey Graham?

John McCain?

Vicente Fox?

Jorge Arbusto?

MB4 on August 30, 2007 at 9:08 PM

To be honest, I can’t wait for Bush to be gone. It’s like having Jimmy Carter as president. Except, the Left hates him. Ironic, eh?

He has not delivered on anything for which he was elected and re-elected. Namely, national security and the war on terror. With regards to that, it is as if we had the DailyKos dude in the Whitehouse for the past 7 years. It’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Even Hillary Clinton would not have tried to sell our ports to the arabs. She is too poll-conscious to even think of doing it. But for Bush, it was a no-brainer.

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 9:09 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 8:38 PM

Oh Good, I’ll be sure to let all my thousands of O/O customers know you think they are all retards for thinking this is a major issue for them.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:10 PM

This thread is full of ignorant fear-mongering.

sandberg on August 30, 2007 at 9:05 PM

Yep, couldn’t have said it better. As if the arrival of 100 Mexican trucker is going to automatically put 1 million US trucker out of work. You guys need to decide if you are capitalists or communists. Capitalism equals competition, in the capitalistic system you compete or you go out of business. Mexico has 1/3rd the population of America, there aren’t enough Mexican truckers to handle America’s shipping needs, not even remotely by a long shot. To suggest that allowing Mexican trucker to drive in America is going to harm American trucking is protectionist anti-competitive fear mongering at its absolute worst.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Wait..hold on..I had a big meany truck driver cut me off today..Ya, lets teach all meany truck drivers a lesson and import as many Mexican truck drivers as we can. I’m sure that will solve the problem.

Legions on August 30, 2007 at 9:15 PM

Don’t worry kids… there is no NAU…. there is no NAU… just keep saying that over and over again while keeping your eyes closed tight. Bush won’t enforce the borders… means NOTHING !! In high level talks with the presidents of Canada and Mexico… that’s just to discuss the jelly bean size… don’t worry about it. Road being built from Mexico to Canada… Pifff silly nonsense… doesn’t mean a thing. Trucks rolling from Mexico un-inspected enjoying privileges our own trucker do not enjoy… Ahhh it’s just being friendly to our dear neighbors down south… no problem, no big deal. And me… I’m just one of those nutball “NAU freaks” which is precisely the same thing as being a Truther. Now go on back to sleep and when you wake up, it will all be over.

I’m thinking about trading my tin foil hat for a sombrero, good idea… no ?

Maxx on August 30, 2007 at 9:16 PM

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 9:09 PM

No offense but people like you need to wake up. This is one of the few elected officials in the entire country with the balls to even fight. You can count on one hand the number of people with the courage to even keep fighting and do the Intelligence things necessary to keep the country safe.The chances of you getting somebody with more courage in 08 are slim.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:16 PM

the NAU freaks

Here you go RightWinged …

Classic Allahpundit.

Attack his own readers from behind the anonymity of his phony screen name, and then run away and hide.

Friggin coward.

And those such as RightWinged continually buy his nonsense just like feeble senior citizens falling for Nigerian Internet scams, never once questioning why the man behind the screen hides from the world.

Never once questioning why this man needs to resort to ridicule or why he seems unwilling to even respond to questions on his stance.

Gregor on August 30, 2007 at 9:17 PM

Can anyone tell me if they are going to require DOT numbers like all our trucks up here that ship cross border?

Can anyone say what regulations in terms of logs they are required to keep?

How is their training, versus that say a pakistani immigrant gets when he goes to learn how to drive up here?

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on August 30, 2007 at 9:18 PM

Do we really want Cheech Marin piloting an 18-wheeler through the innocent corn fields of Kansas? Sooner or later, if he doesn’t crash, he will have to stop to take a leak. Then you’re going to have to lock up your daughters.

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 7:45 PM

I would worry more about Tommy Chong

Kini on August 30, 2007 at 9:18 PM

Oh Good, I’ll be sure to let all my thousands of O/O customers know you think they are all retards for thinking this is a major issue for them.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:10 PM

Every time a Union is forced to compete they claim it is a big issue that is going to destroy their industry. Funny how it hasn’t ever happened. Allowing foreign auto makes build plants in America was suppose to destroy the American auto industry, strange how that still hasn’t happened.

It’s only a big issue if you are a fat bloated corrupt unionized industry that hasn’t had to compete in decades.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:19 PM

U.S. truckers can stop that crap anytime they want. they had an internet ( cb radio ) long before we started blogging.

The truckers can bring the U.S. economy to an absolute stand still it ten minutes.

You copy? Rubber Duck!

TheSitRep on August 30, 2007 at 9:20 PM

Capitalism equals competition, in the capitalistic system you compete or you go out of business.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Those serfmasters/plantation owners capitalists who can’t compete legally and without buying favors with campaign contributions should go out of business!

MB4 on August 30, 2007 at 9:21 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Capitalism is about competing on a level playing field. When competitors are allowed to eschew all of the overhead required by AMERICANS that simply an unfair trade practice.

When Mexican trucks are required to meet US safety and inspection standards and Mexican driver’s meet US driver requirements then maybe they should be allowed to barrel down our interstate system (paid for by AMERICANS) at 75 mph next to AMERICAN families in minivans.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:25 PM

U.S. truckers can stop that crap anytime they want. they had an internet ( cb radio ) long before we started blogging.

The truckers can bring the U.S. economy to an absolute stand still it ten minutes.

You copy? Rubber Duck!

TheSitRep on August 30, 2007 at 9:20 PM

Absolutely the truth. And all it would take is 20 or 30 percent of the truckers to park their rigs for a week. It would shut the country down faster than you could say oh $hit…

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:27 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:19 PM

We are not talking about foreign competition in hard goods here, we are talking about importing cheap labor who’s true cost is born by the American Taxpayer, not the robber barrons how hire them.

Capitalism is about competing on a level playing field.

Pushing your true labor costs onto the backs of American taxpayers by hiring illegal immigrants is not capitalism.

Allowing substandard drivers and rigs onto us roads is not capitalism.

These things are more akin to a feudal system than they are to capitalism.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:31 PM

Bush won’t enforce the borders… means NOTHING !!

It means he’s about as crappy on this issue as most Americans. Yeah, it sucks, but it’s no conspiracy.

In high level talks with the presidents of Canada and Mexico…

Oh, please. The head of every peaceful nation on the planet regularly meets with their neighbors.

Road being built from Mexico to Canada…

I don’t want to frighten you, but our entire nation is criss-crossed with roads, north-south, east-west, and even on diagnals! They tend to build more of these roads, or widen existing ones, in response to traffic patterns. I did some research, and it turns out that “they” have been able to drive from Mexico to Canada for decades now. Boo!

Trucks rolling from Mexico un-inspected

That’s inaccurate fear-mongering. They don’t have the right to come across the border without inspection, and there is no plan to change that.

enjoying privileges our own trucker do not enjoy…

Like what? The right to be a Mexican citizen? Lucky them!

Now go on back to sleep and when you wake up, it will all be over.

Can’t I even get a “sheeple”?

sandberg on August 30, 2007 at 9:32 PM

progressoverpeace on August 30, 2007 at 8:25 PM

Not as seriously as he should. Bush has done, in my estimation, the absolute minimum possible against the arab/persian/muslim enemies.

Thanks for the answer. To what do you attribute no further successful (large-scale) attacks on the homeland after 9.11?

I don’t think that Bush is smart enough to be bothered by this inconsistency, but the dissonance is quite extraordinary and mind-boggling.

I actually think he is a fairly crafty politician, if unwilling to challenge the press on it’s community-based reality. Though maybe I should give more credit to Rove and less to Bush..

Clear evidence is found, however, in the fact that Bush has never been able to explain why he wants lax borders.

There is one thing he said, in his meeting with the Canadian PM and Fox I think it was in spring ’05 (when they visited the Mayan ruins). Question was posed to him about security implications of open border trade/traffic and he responded that they were thinking in terms of regional defense…ie expanding the space covered by the umbrella of the US military. I’m not sure what to make of that.

One could say that is consistent with American policy since JQAdams laid out the Monroe doctrine…or one could say that is an interesting additional responsibility for our military to suit economic regional (not necessarily national) interests. Very curious.

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2007 at 9:33 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:13 PM

The actual text reads 100 Mexican motor carriers. So does this mean 100 trucks or 100 trucking companies? Also one thing you want to keep in mind is that this is a pilot program, meaning, more to come.

boomer on August 30, 2007 at 9:35 PM

When Mexican trucks are required to meet US safety and inspection standards and Mexican driver’s meet US driver requirements then maybe they should be allowed to barrel down our interstate system (paid for by AMERICANS) at 75 mph next to AMERICAN families in minivans.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:25 PM

So tell your thousands of O/O customers to park their rigs until the US government agrees to that. The trucking industry has the clout and ability to ensure that the playing field is level. But you wont and neither will anyone else because this is all just a big bluff by a unionized industry to avoid competing.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:35 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:35 PM

Wait. You’ll see. This has NOTHING to do with the Union. It has everything to do with the O/Os many of whom are already hanging by a thread.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:38 PM

As a driver and a member of OOIDA I would like to say a few things. The Mexican trucks have been limited to the west coast. They are not in Chicago. The Mexican trucks cannot verify their drivers drug tests and background checks. That is partly why groups like OOIDA are trying to fight the problem.

As to language, Nebraska disallowed a driver to continue after an inspection because he could not speak English. He was Russian. This happened this summer. There have been many scandals involving the sale of CDL’s to unqualified people.

The Mexican trucks, like the Canadian trucks, are only allowed to transport goods from their country to a destination here, then reload to return to their country. Of course no one enforces this law either.

Mexican trucks that run the west coast mostly have large fuel tanks so that they do not purchase fuel in this country.

rockdalian on August 30, 2007 at 9:40 PM

Do we really want Cheech Marin piloting an 18-wheeler through the innocent corn fields of Kansas? Sooner or later, if he doesn’t crash, he will have to stop to take a leak. Then you’re going to have to lock up your daughters.

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Come on. That’s the kind of comment that’s going to be cherry picked and give the site a bad rep.

It’s like having Jimmy Carter as president. Except, the Left hates him. Ironic, eh?

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 9:09 PM

Agreed. I’m curious how many readers here at HA make up the 29% or so.

BadgerHawk on August 30, 2007 at 9:42 PM

Wait. You’ll see. This has NOTHING to do with the Union. It has everything to do with the O/Os many of whom are already hanging by a thread.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:38 PM

$hit or get off the pot. Mexico cannot supply enough truckers to replace the O/Os. Park your rigs and see how long it takes for the government to cave. If they don’t what’s the difference you’re all “according to you” going out of business anyways.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:43 PM

Shoulda previewed that. Point still stands.

BadgerHawk on August 30, 2007 at 9:43 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:35 PM

You clearly don’t understand the way industries work in general and the trucking industry in particular. The industry is highly fragmented. That means, they have little collective power. That’s why it’s easy to squeeze them and why it’s hard to make a decent living at it. This threat has awakened them to their vulnerable position and they are starting to organize. Until then they are powerless.

I for one don’t want substandard rigs with questionable drivers on the same roads as me an my family and I certainly don’t want to see hard working American truck owner/operators be put out of business by unfair competition. I’m an American first and a Capitalist second.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:45 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:43 PM

They can’t replace them all? That’s really your argument? You’re joking right?

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:46 PM

You clearly don’t understand the way industries work in general and the trucking industry in particular. The industry is highly fragmented. That means, they have little collective power. That’s why it’s easy to squeeze them and

why it’s hard to make a decent living at it. This threat has awakened them to their vulnerable position and they are starting to organize. Until then they are powerless.

I for one don’t want substandard rigs with questionable drivers on the same roads as me an my family and I certainly don’t want to see hard working American truck owner/operators be put out of business by unfair competition. I’m an American first and a Capitalist second.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:45 PM

They can’t replace them all? That’s really your argument? You’re joking right?

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:46 PM

OK whatever, you just keep right on whining about how the sky is falling…

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:52 PM

And those such as RightWinged continually buy his nonsense just like feeble senior citizens falling for Nigerian Internet scams, never once questioning why the man behind the screen hides from the world.

Never once questioning why this man needs to resort to ridicule or why he seems unwilling to even respond to questions on his stance.

Gregor on August 30, 2007 at 9:17 PM

Clearly he’s hiding, because he’s Karl Rove and he’s orchestrating this whole thing from the Bohemian Grove, while he attempts to do mock human sacrifices and worship giant owls… lucky for you and yours, Alex Jones brings you the video and will lead you to the promised land.

And frankly Gregor, I just like laughing at you guys, because you’re silly… if you had the snowballing movement the Truthers do, I might be more concerned, and spend time mocking you in detail, but at this point you’re nobodies and it’s just pretty funny.

Speaking of running away, I’ll point out how our last exchange ended:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/23/heart-ache-bush-calls-north-american-union-suspicions-comical/

Do you have any problems debunking the 9/11 truthers? Not so hard, is it?

Why is it impossible for you to give a legitimate argument on ANY point related to this topic?

Gregor on August 24, 2007 at 4:54 PM

K Gregor, we’ll start here:
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/134570-Debunking+the+North+American+Union+Conspiracy+Theory

The difference between the Truthers and you guys is that the Truthers just totally make things up and they “Michael Moore” video and audio clips to make people say things they didn’t.

You guys appeal to people because there are issues with our borders and foreign workers, etc. So there is a genuine concern, over what we SEE happening.. the problem is, you guys make up stupid theories about a massive new highway, etc. and act as if some underground shadow government could really pull of this great conspiracy under our noses. It’s just silly. Again, there are legitimate concerns about what we’ve SEEN and still SEE happening, but it’s not even close to NAU and doesn’t involve these stupid conspiracy theories.

RightWinged on August 24, 2007 at 7:14 PM

RightWinged on August 30, 2007 at 9:52 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:46 PM

You guys have only known this was coming for the last 13 years if you haven’t handled your business I don’t have any sympathy for you.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:53 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:52 PM

If you’re not willing to stick up for your fellow Americans when they are being treated unfairly you better ask yourself what you can expect when something similar happens to you.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:54 PM

You guys need to decide if you are capitalists or communists. Capitalism equals competition, in the capitalistic system you compete or you go out of business. Mexico has 1/3rd the population of America, there aren’t enough Mexican truckers to handle America’s shipping needs, not even remotely by a long shot. To suggest that allowing Mexican trucker to drive in America is going to harm American trucking is protectionist anti-competitive fear mongering at its absolute worst.
doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:13 PM

It is a fallacy of the modern NAFTA era that capitalism means open borders. Back in the founding days of the country you may recall that government relied entirely on Tafiffs for its tax revenue because income or other taxes on the citizens were considered oppressive. Funny now we have open border free trade yet more tax funding a bigger government then ever and international agreements that would make returning to the previous state of affairs impossible. That is the essence of capitalism? I call it giving up some sovereignty.

Protectionism doesnt apply unless unless it is a reaction to prop up a certain industry. If an export tariff equals the import tariff then these cancel out, they do not have to actually be zero in order for there to be free capitalism. Having a high income and capitial gains tax with no tarriffs is not free capitialism, it is actually subsidizing outsourcing to somewhere you are free of the tax.

Resolute on August 30, 2007 at 9:55 PM

The actual text reads 100 Mexican motor carriers. So does this mean 100 trucks or 100 trucking companies? Also one thing you want to keep in mind is that this is a pilot program, meaning, more to come.

boomer on August 30, 2007 at 9:35 PM

OOIDA seeks injunction of cross-border program

“The lawsuit challenges the federal government’s adoption and implementation of a pilot program authorizing up to 100 Mexican motor carriers – with an unlimited number of trucks – to perform long-haul operations within the U.S.”

MB4 on August 30, 2007 at 9:55 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:53 PM

What are you talking about? Hey, in 13 years I am coming to take your house. Take care of business ok and don’t cry when I come.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:56 PM

What are you talking about? Hey, in 13 years I am coming to take your house. Take care of business ok and don’t cry when I come.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 9:56 PM

Come and get it big boy…

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:58 PM

Not for me. Mexico is essentially a narco state with a hostile, alien culture. I take into account the big picture, not just tire pressure.

jihadwatcher on August 30, 2007 at 8:27 PM

+1

liquidflorian on August 30, 2007 at 9:58 PM

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:58 PM

Your response is their response and you should stand by them.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 10:00 PM

You guys have only known this was coming for the last 13 years if you haven’t handled your business I don’t have any sympathy for you.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 9:53 PM

Easy up there tiger. We didn’t press our Senators properly in regard to immigration law for 13+ years. Yet we got together this summer.

I think it was Harding that said ‘you see 10 things coming down the road that are trouble, but by the time that they get to you, 9 have fallen in the ditch’. Sometimes we just don’t pick the right 1.

Spirit of 1776 on August 30, 2007 at 10:03 PM

Your response is their response and you should stand by them.

TheBigOldDog on August 30, 2007 at 10:00 PM

As soon as they handle their business I will support their actions, as long as they whine about it not a chance. Competition doesn’t mean just lowering your prices. It means if you think the playing field is not level you do what it takes to make the playing field level and making the playing field level doesn’t mean just crying to government. Sometimes it means making short term sacrifices to ensure that there is a long term.

doriangrey on August 30, 2007 at 10:07 PM

I love these people who bloviate about “capitalism” in one
breath and then insist they need taxpayer subsidized illegal aliens or “guest workers” in the next.

If you can’t get people to do a job for x dollars an hour, offer more until you have workers. That is called free market. If you “can’t” pay it, find another way to make a living that doesn’t require you to break the law or make campaign contributions to get special treatment.

MB4 on August 30, 2007 at 10:08 PM

Also one thing you want to keep in mind is that this is a pilot program, meaning, more to come.

boomer on August 30, 2007 at 9:35 PM

That’s an understatement for sure… much, much more to come. Trust me.

Maxx on August 30, 2007 at 10:19 PM

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