Breaking: “Hillraiser” Norman Hsu is a fugitive Update: Hillary, other Dems to give away Hsu’s campaign cash
posted at 6:45 am on August 29, 2007 by Bryan
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Well. One of Hillary Clinton’s biggest supporters, the same one who turned up in a weird fundraising story yesterday, is officially a fugitive swindler.
The Los Angeles Times will report on this website later tonight and in Wednesday’s print editions that a major Democratic Party fundraiser named Norman Hsu is wanted by authorities for skipping out on an agreement to serve up to three years in prison after pleading no contest to grand theft swindling charges.
In an exclusive story by Chuck Neubauer and Robin Fields, The Times will report that for three years Hsu has been carving out a place of political and financial influence by funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions into Democratic Party coffers, much of the money earmarked for Sen. Hillary Clinton. He has earned the ranking of Hillraiser for pledging to raise at least $100,000 for her.
He has given to several big-name Democrats, including presidential candidates Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Swimmer Kennedy, too.
“He is a fugitive,” said Ronald Smetana of the California attorney general’s office. “Do you know where he is?”
Perhaps he’s in China where the rest of the Clintons’ 1996 pals fled to.
Update: Sweetness & Light has the LA Times story.
Update (AP): Radioactive! Now, what about the Paws’ money?
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton will give to charity the $23,000 in donations that she has received from a fundraiser who is wanted in California for failing to appear for sentencing on a 1991 grand theft charge…
Al Franken, a Senate candidate in Minnesota, Rep. Michael Honda of California and Rep. Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania said they would divest their campaigns of Hsu’s donations…
In a statement Wednesday, Hsu said:
“I believe I properly resolved all of the legal issues related to my bankruptcy in the early 1990s. Therefore, I was surprised to learn that there appears to be an outstanding warrant — as demonstrated by the fact that I have and do live a public life. I have not sought to evade any of my obligations and certainly not the law.”
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The New York Yacht Club allows it’s members to have “birthday parties” that are fund raisers which charge admission to the club? How tacky.
Buy Danish on August 29, 2007 at 9:55 PM
Here is a good overview of Mr. Hsu and his political work
CommentGuy on August 29, 2007 at 9:59 PM
Hsu was a co-chair at the Speak Truth to Power. Gala Performance
Photo captions of the event
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Bill Clinton, Ethel Kennedy, Kerry Kennedy, and Family
President Bill Clinton and Ethel Kennedy
Charles Grodin, Gloria Reuben, Rana Husseini, Harry Wu, Bill Clinton, Lorraine Braco, Ariel Dorfman, Katie Redford, Tracy Chapman, Bobby Muller, Van Jones, Ka Hsaw Wa, Stephen Bradberry
Sharon Stone, Gloria Rubin, Sigourney Weaver, Mathew Modine, Lorraine Bracco, Christian Slater, Robin Wright Penn, Giancarlo Esposito
CommentGuy on August 29, 2007 at 10:13 PM
OT, although it is about Democrats -
This story is hilarious but for some reason it isn’t in Hot Air’s headlines or on Drudge yet. I love it because it involves Cleland and Edwards and SUVs and it takes place in Edgartown.
I don’t suppose this will knock Larry Craig’s story off the front pages.
Buy Danish on August 29, 2007 at 10:15 PM
Busted!
petefrt on August 29, 2007 at 10:21 PM
That page I linked above about Norman Hsu at SourceWatch did not show up in my search this morning, they must have built it in parallel today while I was doing my work or it just didn’t show the first time around.
CommentGuy on August 29, 2007 at 10:32 PM
They seemed to have no problem taking the money in the first place. I guess criminal activity is only criminal if you get caught (unless, of course, you’re conservative). And I notice that although they say they will give the money away (probably to each other), there is no condemnation of Hsu. Get a rope.
liberator9 on August 29, 2007 at 10:46 PM
What doesn’t jive to me is the Paw family in total over about 2 year contributed about 200,000 to national level races and causes.
Inside California there is only one record under the name of Paw but it does not give a first name and it’s only a couple of hundred bucks.
The address is San Francisco witch is right next to Daly City, but it just doesn’t add up.
CommentGuy on August 29, 2007 at 10:59 PM
Fround this picture of Grace napolitano posing with Norman Hsu in and indonesian newspaper
http://www.indonesiamedia.com/2003/08/local-0803-norman02.jpg
Congresswoman Napolitano is representative of the 38th Congressional district of California
http://www.house.gov/napolitano/
William Amos on August 29, 2007 at 11:07 PM
In the Yellowpages. Who woulda thunk it? lol!
You think they supply her Mao pantsuits?
Connie on August 29, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Gotta love huff puff. They wanted to track down poeople who give money to both parties. Well they caught Hsu also
Can even see his street via virtual vision
take a lookee
William Amos on August 29, 2007 at 11:17 PM
Sheesh! No wonder Hillary talked about a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” back in the nineties. She had a Left Wing one of her own going.
baldilocks on August 29, 2007 at 11:24 PM
William Amos,
So now he lives at Wooster Street? We thought he lived in Murray Hill. He must keep a mistress or something.
Buy Danish on August 29, 2007 at 11:26 PM
That is the addy he gave with his $4,400 contribution to Hillary
William Amos on August 29, 2007 at 11:29 PM
Norman Hsu is also a member of the Clinton Global Initiative. This is html version of .pdf file. Look on page 21. Top right of page.
Connie on August 29, 2007 at 11:30 PM
He has an apartment downtown NYC and a home on Long Island.
CommentGuy on August 29, 2007 at 11:42 PM
Based on the history page tab at SourceWatch the Norman Hsu page was indeed built today and is a new page.
CommentGuy on August 29, 2007 at 11:48 PM
Here’s the link on donations given by the Paw family.
Kokonut on August 30, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Here’s the link on donations give by Norman Hsu.
Kokonut on August 30, 2007 at 12:04 AM
I was looking for an actual Dix Hills street address. My son lives about 15 minutes away from there. Ironically, at whitepages.com, 1 APO address for him is found in NY and 17 addresses are found in L.A.
17
Sounds about right. ;)
Connie on August 30, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Got to watch out at those two links KoKonut
More names there than just Norman
Also watch out there is a Norman Hsu who is a college instructor in CA that is not proven related.
There is a son on the school board but not a professor that I can link up yet.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 12:09 AM
CommentGuy, while I was googling earlier today, I ran across something unrelated, but it got me wondering. There was an article on a Wei-Ting (Kevin) Hsu. It’s possible that Norman also has a Chinese first name. Any ideas on how to find out? I’m not positive that Kevin is an equivalent for Wei-Ting, of course, or if it is just an English name chosen by that individual.
Connie on August 30, 2007 at 12:18 AM
Run democrats run run away !
Clinton to give away fundraiser’s cash By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton will give to charity the $23,000 in donations she has received from a fundraiser who is wanted in California for failing to appear for sentencing on a 1991 grand theft charge.
The decision came Wednesday as other Democrats began distancing themselves from Norman Hsu, whose legal encounters and links to other Democratic donors have drawn public scrutiny in the past two days.
Sens. Edward Kennedy and John Kerry, both of Massachusetts, also planned to turn over Hsu’s contributions to charity. Sens. Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein of California; Al Franken, a Senate candidate in Minnesota; Reps. Michael Honda and Doris Matsui of California; and Rep. Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania also said they would divest Hsu’s contributions.
Hsu gave Kennedy $4,000 in 2004 and gave his political action committee $5,000 this year, according to Federal Election Commission records. He also gave Kerry’s presidential campaign $4,000 and donated $2,000 to a separate Kerry legal compliance fund. Boxer’s campaign received $2,000 from Hsu in 2004, and her political action committee received $2,000 in 2005. Feinstein received $1,000. Franken received $2,300 this year from Hsu, Matsui received $6,100 since 2004 and Sestak and Honda each received $1,000 for their re-election efforts.
FEC records show that Hsu has donated $260,000 to Democratic Party groups and federal candidates since 2004. Though a fundraiser for Clinton, he also donated to Sen. Barack Obama’s Senate campaign in 2004 and to Obama’s political action committee.
William Amos on August 30, 2007 at 12:28 AM
Fox Video
Grand theft politics
William Amos on August 30, 2007 at 12:34 AM
Attacks on Hsu are RACIST!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118826947048110677.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news
That didn’t take long.
RightWinged on August 30, 2007 at 12:39 AM
I don’t have a clue , but as I stated up thread, the names for the Paw family are really strange.
64 year old dad being William Nelson Paw. Now that just doesn’t jive unless he was given an americanized name on birth here that many years ago. Possible but weird. Very confidential he has the same first names that match a sitting Florida Senator….long odds on that.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 12:49 AM
Grr coincidental not confidential.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 12:50 AM
RightWinged
I have also seen attempted debunkings that also pointed to 3 or 4 differences between the Paw and Hsu list of people they donated to.
Heck there were over 150 total people they gave to combined.
You have to print them out after sorting by date and the match ups jump right out at you.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 12:52 AM
If you sort the combined list by a three level sort of date of donation followed by recipient of the donation followed by donor it falls right in your lap.
The number that fall withing a week or even less is amazing.
And it’s not just people. Look at the not well known organizations.
Hopefund (maybe refers to a Clinton Hope Ark related thing)
Starlight (maybe refers to Harry Reid since his home town)
Nope the odds are way too long.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 12:58 AM
The difference between the left and the right is evident here… I see no mention of the Hsu story on Kos, yet we’ve been tearing Sen. Craig apart over here (which we may not want to do, because it sounds like he likes it rough).
RightWinged on August 30, 2007 at 1:10 AM
Ok folks lets do a what if.
Lets say you want to funnel some money around and have dollar limits you have to deal with.
So you are a lefty type and you go to a place like Catalist which is a database company of voter /voter age people for the progressives only to use. (See their customer list).
Well you look for people who have never donated and pick out some names from the list.
Since they never donated, they are not likely to check the FEC or other databases to see if someone is donating in their name.
Imagine your surprise when you show up in the national media where your family has over a couple of years donated about 200,000 bucks.
Now that could be a possibility.
They probably would be wondering if the IRS is gonna come after them for not declaring the donations. (they don’t have to if they don’t want to deduct it, I would for those bucks deductions)
So it could be that someone chose them as DONORS without their knowledge and right now they are running blind as to WTF is going on.
Just someone blew it out to such big numbers for the Paw’s that it got the light shown on it.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 1:22 AM
Nobody can funnel money through them and then reimburse them for their up front costs, that’s against the law.
Not sure about the legality of paying them a commission to use their names. But that probably falls under false filings if you go with my what if above.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 1:26 AM
Now we have been told Hsu used to live at the same address.
None of his donation records show that address.
I have not found anywhere but in news stories that say he lived there before.
I have not found any independent data beyond the donations records that the Paws live there.
Has anyone seen an interview with them?
Has anyone seen an interview with someone who knows them?
Got some other places I have to cross check now that I thought of those angles.
But it would be interesting indeed if they do exist and live there and never really donated a dime to any campaign wouldn’t it.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 1:34 AM
Well I won’t say how but I have confirmed at least 4 members of the Paw family do indeed live at that address in Daly City.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 2:02 AM
Their phone is unlisted, but I now have access to 6 neighbor phones.
If I get ambitious tomorrow I may make a call to see if I can get a word out of anyone.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 2:06 AM
OK folks
Go to google maps
enter 41 shelbourne Ave Daly City , Ca for the map location
Select street view and place the view point little guy marker on Skyline Blvd just west of that street and slightly north of the street.
Pan and drag the picture until you are looking east and you will see a mass of trailers / manufactured homes crammed one up against the other.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 2:16 AM
I’m too tired to search for the urls right now, but DailyKuss had at least 2 threads on this…maybe more. Yes there are Hill supporters there, but I would say 2/3 can’t stand the biotch. Matter of fact, they’ve also linked to dougfromupland’s YouTube videos on the Peter Paul thing.
Connie on August 30, 2007 at 2:21 AM
You’re a soldier. I’ll pick up again in the a.m. I’m beat.
Connie on August 30, 2007 at 2:23 AM
If you look at that mass of houses in the picture and you are exactly west of Shelbourne Ave on Skyline you will see the back of that Lime Green house with the recognizable smoke stack coming out of the top as the far right most house just up against the land ridge.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 2:23 AM
What doesn’t make sense is the Lime Green house would from the map be facing onto Higate Drive.
The actual address should be about half way down Shelbourne which would be in front or east of that house.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 2:35 AM
From looking at those sardine can conditions in that neighborhood and just to check the appraisal value I came up with the figure that those houses (if you can call them that) on that street appraise at the 750k range.
Totally unbelievable for someone from where I live.
Here with no yard and as small as those things are, it would go for much less than 25k.
If that info is right, you all can keep California real estate.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 2:45 AM
From NY Times. Mr Hsu lawyer says Paws and Hsu have know each other for over a decade.
Mr. Barcello said that the Paws and Mr. Hsu have known each other for at least a decade, after Mr. Hsu began to shop at a store in a Burlingame, Calif., hotel run by Alice Paw, the family matriarch. The attorney said that, despite the family’s modest house, they have the financial wherewithal to make large contributions. Mr. Hsu had also become close to one of the Paws’ sons, Winkle, and the two have done business deals together, according to Mr. Barcello.
“Norman Hsu is a long-time Democratic fund-raiser for a variety of committee sand candidates,” said Mr. Barcello. “He asks colleagues for support, which is what every fund-raiser does. The Paws have the financial resources to make contributions and no one reimbursed anybody.”
Winkle Paw, one of four grown children in the family, told the newspaper: “I have been fortunate in my investments and all of my contributions have been in my money.”
William Amos on August 30, 2007 at 3:05 AM
For example the house at 21 Shelbourne recently sold for 660K and its a 4bd 2 bath.
Crazy prices for sure.
Another funny thing is Zillow doesn’t show a house with an address of 41 Shelbourne. It shows a vacant lot there and skips from 33 to 47 Shelbourne.
Google Earth shows the house.
Heck I have a 5 bedroom 4 1/2 bath house about 3400 sq ft sitting on 10 acres of land on a river.
by their prices mine should be in the 6 to 10 mil range if you scaled it.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 3:09 AM
Ok
If I get this from Google earth right 445 Fifth ave is the Mercantile Building.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 3:17 AM
45 5th Avenue you have Eugene Lang College across the street from the Conservative Synagogue of Fifth Avenue.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 3:22 AM
I don’t doubt that some die hard Clinton hating “diarists” wrote about it at some point during the day, but the fact that there is no feature on their main page about a potentially massive scandal is telling. My point is, it’s Sen. Craigmania right now, when the Hsu story (particularly given that it involves the Dem front runner) is far more important in the grand scheme. They’re both worth noting, and HotAir has been on top of the Craig thing since the get go… if Hsu were donating to Republicans, don’t you think Kos would have posts on the front page flying in fast and furious?
RightWinged on August 30, 2007 at 3:35 AM
My GOd could this be any BETTER ?
Fieger defender likens indictment to politicization of Nazi Germany
Paul Egan / The Detroit News
Southfield attorney Geoffrey Fieger was flanked by five attorneys, including nationally known criminal defense lawyer Gerry Spence, as he was arraigned today on campaign finance and obstruction of justice charges in federal court in Detroit.
Fieger, 56, of Bloomfield Hills, and his partner Ven Johnson, 45, of Birmingham, are charged with conspiracy, making illegal campaign donations, and causing false statements in a federal grand jury indictment unsealed Friday. Fieger is also charged with obstruction of justice, a 10-year felony.
Johnson has not yet been arraigned. His lawyer, Steve Fishman of Detroit, says Johnson has done nothing wrong.
Fieger and Johnson are alleged to have used employees, employee family members, and vendors as “straw donors” to circumvent limits on individual campaign donations and illegally give about $127,000 to the 2004 presidential campaign of Democrat John Edwards.
“This kind of politicization that we see here is a shame,” Beam said. “I’m embarrassed that this is my old Justice Department.
“It is reminiscent, and I don’t think I exaggerate, of Nazi Germany.”
William Amos on August 30, 2007 at 3:41 AM
Go to Kos kid land and hit the search function and put in Norman Hsu and you come up with 4 diaries.
Based on what I read they are trashing and questioning the whole situation as much as we are.
They are also suggesting it is a money funnel / launder operation.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 3:45 AM
from one of those diaries
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 3:48 AM
From another diary
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 3:51 AM
Going for three diaries
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 3:58 AM
Interesting bit from the lawyer here in this case
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 4:09 AM
more commentary from the comment threads over there
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 4:18 AM
As I said, I didn’t doubt there would be a couple diaries… but why aren’t there multiple or even one post in the blog’s main page on this, as there are multiple posts regarding Craig here at HotAir? I’m actually still a little surprised at the diaries, because we’ve seen Kos completely ignore things like terror busts, etc. with consistency, because it doesn’t fit their agenda, even though they should be huge stories to the whole country.
RightWinged on August 30, 2007 at 4:32 AM
OK
Now here is the bottom line from reading all the comments to those 4 threads over in Kos Kid land.
IF the Paws had done well in CA real estate investments flipping other houses or condos and IF their son had put them in good mutual funds since he worked at one and so forth they could have the bucks their lawyer is saying they have.
My take
Fine for a family financial as a whole, but for each and every member to have been so blessed without passing bucks in between and pooling assets may be a bit of a stretch.
Granted it could still be possible, but the overall total of donations across the board by them and the matched timing with Hsu and the common address for the house and the family members working for him all add up to a big stink.
It may be totally on the level, it just defies the odds in so many ways.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 4:45 AM
What bothers me is that even if the Paw’s had struck it rich by investments or whatever method, the strange timing of only the last two years, with a trickle the year before of donation to political campaigns in a big way for people that rarely vote even.
Also with no in state donations at the local level, only national level contributions makes strange logic.
If you are that political, it usually doesn’t happen only at the national level.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 4:54 AM
keep in mind that the democratic paries contributions have soared in the last few years. Have to wonder if there was some collusion at a high level in the Dems party HQ
William Amos on August 30, 2007 at 4:56 AM
Proof in points
FEC Stats Highlight Democratic Party Committees’ Fundraising Prowess By Marie Horrigan
Wed Aug 15, 12:45 PM ET
The Democratic Party, coming off a successful election cycle in which it took control of both houses of Congress, has parlayed its new majority into a boosted fundraising capacity, while the historically cash-strong Republican Party has lost its money-raising supremacy in the legislative minority.
According to statistics released Tuesday by the Federal Election Commission (FEC), Democratic party committees raised $111.5 million in the first six months of 2007 — an increase of 29 percent over the first half of 2005 and 98 percent over the first half of 2003. Republican party committees raised $108.8 million, a drop of 24 percent from 2005 and a 22 percent decline from 2003.
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), which oversaw the party’s gain of 30 House seats in 2006, recorded the largest gains since the last election cycle. Receipts for the DCCC jumped 51 percent over the same period in 2005, coming in at $23.6 million for the first six months of 2007. Each of the three major Republican party organizations — the Republican National Committee (RNC), the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) and the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) — raised about one-fourth less in the first half of 2007 than in the first half of 2005.
William Amos on August 30, 2007 at 4:57 AM
Just for the heck of it I searched for all instate donors with the name of Limbaugh and the total amount was less than 25K and many were not relatives of Rush.
Now they have a bunch of lawyers and other professionals in that family so lets think about that.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 5:04 AM
Now looking at the FEC records the Limbaugh’s , many not of the same family ponied up a total of about 35k.
Yet the Paw’s hit near 200k.
Amazing.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 5:07 AM
The Paw family as a whole in a little over two years have donated in total enough money to break into the top 1000 of single person donors since 1999.
The person at the bottom of that single contributor list is
William Smithburg … Contribution Count/Amount - 133 / $279,063
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 5:21 AM
Drudge links to WSJ story offering a few more details about Hsu.
JiangxiDad on August 30, 2007 at 8:16 AM
Comment Guy,
A few things to note.
1. Winkle Paw is a real person. Here’s a 1993 story about him organizing a Chinese fraternity at San Francisco State.
2. It’s possible that Hsu made the donations directly without their knowledge, but I’m not sure how you would do it. Since some of the filings show that both Hsu and Paw work for the same company, maybe Hsu used a corporate check? Or maybe he set up checking accounts for all the little Paws, deposited money there, and made donations? Or maybe he just “paid” Winkle for his “work”. I don’t know…I do think it’s very possible that the Paws are Pawns.
3. I think you’re probably right that this is being directed by someone at the DNC. Someone is giving them some sort of master list of candidates and initiatives, and that’s how they end up donating to things like preschool initiatives.
4. Thanks for that Jeffrey Feiger story. Feiger is an uber-lib was Jack Kervorkian’s lawyer, and a quick Google search shows that he had a local talk show, and he himself called other people “Nazis”, so it is amusing to see his own lawyer call the prosecutors “Nazis”. He was a regular on Greta Van Susteren’s panels, so it will be interesting to see if they discuss this. I hate that show, but may have to watch it out of curiosity.
We now have Hsu, Jeffrey Feiger, and George Soros involved in campaign finance scandals all in the same week.
I wonder if CREW is going to investigate Soros. /sarc.
Buy Danish on August 30, 2007 at 8:37 AM
Speaking of Jeffrey Feiger, this is trivial, but hilarious. It’s from the University of Texas’ Law School and is part of Reality (or pseudo-reality) Courtroom Series.
Buy Danish on August 30, 2007 at 8:49 AM
What , if anything, happens to the pseudo money launderers like the Paw family? It’s hard to believe they were innocent bystanders. Is knowing and not reporting the gentleman’s whereabouts aiding and abetting? We really don’t need people like these in my opinion. Though, it’s funny how quickly these(probably perfectly aware all the time)Dem pols are rushing to donate the money to others. Said before, say again—permanently questionable ethics, thy name is Democrat.
jeanie on August 30, 2007 at 8:58 AM
jeanie,
If history is any indication, they will catch a plane to China where they can’t be prosecuted, or interviewed by Congressmen like Dan Burton.
Buy Danish on August 30, 2007 at 9:13 AM
We still do not know why Norman Hsu has listed the Daly City, CA address as his home address when making contributions to political campaigns. Almost all of his other gifts are from his home or office or apparent vacation spot in and around the NYC metropolitan area.
gabriel sutherland on August 30, 2007 at 10:01 AM
BuyDanish
I am more say that if Hsu is using this family to launder money as just speculation, I don’t think it is a DNC deal.
I would more think that Hsu may be doing a lot of similar stuff with other donations he is bundling for Hillary for his own reasons.
The Paw’s may have done good in real estate or investments and have the bucks as their lawyer said.
But lets what if the case that if offshore funds are being laundered maybe accounts got puffed up in volume or buyers for houses the Paws were flipping showed up with real good deals for them they couldn’t refuse.
Lot of complexity there not worth the effort for most.
Just saying that if I wanted to launder money through the system what I proposed would be one way to do it.
1) pick a mark who doesn’t donate already and might notice the extra donations they never did when figuring their taxes.
2) pipe money through in their name
3) don’t over do it to the point they look like the new age mega rich tossing chump change around on a modest family income.
4) hope they are not politically active, because you would have to believe with all the donations they were doing they would have somehow come to the attention of the local dem party machine who would have been scratching their head trying to figure out just who these people were when they were hitting high notes on their party donation performance reports for their area.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 10:15 AM
BuyDanish mentioned it much earlier in the thread.
This may be their website.
If it is someone tell me how a guy in the clothing industry gets involved in a geothermal energy company in a foreign country.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Romney isn’t a Christian.
The Mormon church’s theology, now somewhat scrubbed, but still maintained in the temples, themselves secretive, is that the Jesus they worship is Lucifer’s brother, not God’s only Son.
Most Mormon’s I know are decent people, however, they follow a false profit and their religion is, or was founded as, a cult.
I’ve been a Mormon, I know several, and love them… but the decency in them comes from their focus on family, their own innate goodness, not from Joseph Smith, the man who killed two during his martyrdom.
(I respect him for that if nothing else, naturally.)
So, yes, Mitt Romney, however much he may want to say he is or even believe he is is not, in any real sense, a Christian.
He is rather the follower of an evil false prophet.
Truth is a female dog.
Christoph on August 30, 2007 at 11:02 AM
Wrong topic, I’m so sorry. Please delete and I’ll repost.
Christoph on August 30, 2007 at 11:02 AM
You betcha.
Connie on August 30, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Pay attention for any stories quoting E. Lawrence(Larry) Barcella Jr. He’s Hsu attorney, but he’s already said he has financial documents that confirm the Paw’s individual wealth to make the large donations they have made. He already stated he would provide these to the WSJ, but he says their editor declined to view them and was running the story anyway.
gabriel sutherland on August 30, 2007 at 11:27 AM
Connie I answered your question in haste yesterday since I was very busy doing other things.
A parent/subsidiary relationship is very straight forward.
But the term shell company is more directed at the top of the hill owner company being just a financial place to consolidate all the subsidiaries it controls as a being the top holding company.
Perhaps a better example would state a company that does nothing on it’s own to create business or trade, but it is only a financial vehicle to control companies it owns that are actually businesses doing something.
Probably a good example would be Berkshire-Hathaway which owns bunches of companies or controlling interest in many.
BH doesn’t make or produce or sell anything, they just consolidate the reporting from all the owned properties in varied industry sectors at the top parent level.
It is not as simplistic as I originally stated.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Yes, rightwinged…I did read all about Paul but the Clintoons are covered in teflon. Besides that, she’s got Dubya setting up her Brave New World for her when she slips onto her throne.
It’s perfect, it will all be Dubya’s fault.
Christine on August 30, 2007 at 11:59 AM
Did I just hear Hillary say they returned Hsu/Paw money? I thought they said yesterday they were donating it to a charity.
Connie on August 30, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I knew you were busy. Bet you still are.
Connie on August 30, 2007 at 12:13 PM
It just doesn’t matter (Watched Meatballs the other night). The MSM has already coroneted Herr Hillary as the next
President. Even if she “Killed Bill,” had gay sex in the ladies room, or release Vince Fosters notes, they would not tell the story. She is above it all. Accept it — it just doesn’t matter!!
Wuptdo on August 30, 2007 at 12:17 PM
You don’t even know how right you are.
I am a professional day trader and I have a computer I am on right now that has ten 20 inch lcd screens attached to it and I am letting my servers do the trading today and all those screens are filled with things where I am pulling this whole mess together.
I am putting them into word documents I am frantically cutting and pasting and I have dedicated 3 servers to mining the web for keywords via software I use that “reads and interprets” press releases from corporations on normal days.
I know how to do research, it is part and parcel to being a day trader.
I won’t say where, but I have contributed to some major blog swarms on the net in the last few years sitting in the background and being happy with that role.
I do the research and pass it on to those who can give it voice.
That works for me.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 12:24 PM
Interesting CommentGuy. Your posts here have been terrific. The fact that you’re mining data to do it only peaks my interest.
We should get in touch. Email me sometime at gabriel.sutherland - at - gmail.com.
gabriel sutherland on August 30, 2007 at 12:32 PM
And that is only my night time “research” computer in my den.
Don’t even think about what my trading room at the back of the house is like…
Hint
Full racks of quad processor quad core computers and a couple of IBM mainframes that are the biggest and badest things they will let you configure up without having a contract they have to burn before reading.
Voice controlled video walls and eye cued software enhancement all in a fully integrated heuristic computational environment with self correcting models playing daily against the big guys.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 12:34 PM
I sent some my updates to the guy who runs SourceWatch who built their wiki entry on this situation yesterday and he mailed me back with good feedback.
Sometime I need to work in going over there to do some edits to the page on Hsu, but it will probably have to be after the major first charge is over.
If I do it , it will be more historic than contemporary.
I don’t want to put something in till I cross check it rather than have to do a retraction later.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Gabriel
You got mail.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 1:02 PM
It’s real thin here .
We only have a handful or original sourced stories in the press (read msm) and data from contribution data bases that threw out some company names and such.
Not really a whole lot to work with.
But the glitches and variations in the contribution reporting led off into all other sorts of data discovery.
That’s how it works.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 1:40 PM
Fascinating thread. Excellent and interesting comments, all.
Welcome to HA, CommentGuy.
Maybe the internet’s evolved and powerful enough to blast the teflon off those krazy klintoons once and for all? I remain hopeful.
techno_barbarian on August 30, 2007 at 2:45 PM
Okay somebody help me out here…If these idiots give the donations to some charity…who’s to say that these “charities” dont conveniently donate it back into the campaigns again…dont forget..we’re talking about democrats.
malkinmania on August 30, 2007 at 4:45 PM
malkinmania: I asked this question earlier. The charity could be the “Clinton Global Initiative” or “Planned Parenthood”.
gabriel sutherland on August 30, 2007 at 5:19 PM
Hillary is talking about coughing up only the direct money Hsu donated to her. About 20k or so , would have to look.
He bundled supposedly over 500k this year and still rising.
So it’s a cheap slap on the hand.
What she doesn’t want to see is something be proved wrong or dirty with the Paw money and have the FEC look at all Hsu brought in with a review and a spot check of the other bundlers to see if there is similar activity.
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 5:52 PM
CommentGuy on August 30, 2007 at 10:59 AM
I’m exhausted just reading about what you do!
I don’t think that the energy company called “Cool Planet” is the same thing as Hsu’s “apparel company”, but it is curious that it is a global warming company just perfect for the Goreacles, especially those who are profiteering with carbon credits to soothe the conscience of the true believers.
It must be a strange and ironic coincidence.
Or on second thought, maybe the profits from that company are used to fund Hsu’s oh-so-generous campaign contributions?
Yikes! At this rate I’m going to need a tin foil hat.
Buy Danish on August 30, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Proposed bumper sticker:
HILLARY CLINTON: GIRLS JUST LIKE TO HAVE FUNDS.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 30, 2007 at 10:55 PM
CommentGuy, meet dougfromupland.
Connie on August 31, 2007 at 12:40 AM
excellent
My bumper sticker is:
Anybody
But
Clinton
Mojave Mark on August 31, 2007 at 1:26 AM
CommentGuy, would you please contact me at sagebrimmer@hotmail.com ? It’s important. I have someone you need to talk to. I will exchange his email with you after you contact me.
Connie on August 31, 2007 at 1:29 AM
I so wish there was a private email feature here.
Connie on August 31, 2007 at 1:47 AM
Ditto. Either csdeven or I will be buying drinks for the other, when one of our candidates wins the nomination.
Remember, cs, Glen Morangie Single Malt, aged in port cask.
Texas Nick 77 on August 31, 2007 at 6:15 AM
My entry: Pardon me, I’m for you Hillary.
Texas Nick 77 on August 31, 2007 at 6:17 AM
If you do something illegal, just find a charity to give some money to. Then, you are legal. Hill has been a crook for years dating back to the Tyson stock swap payoff days and who know how many years before that.
She really belongs in prison, but wingnuts will put her in the WH.
saved on August 31, 2007 at 10:22 AM
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