Video: The stupidest “Tuesday stupid” ever?

posted at 3:27 pm on August 28, 2007 by Allahpundit

We haven’t had a good “____day stupid” lately and this one’s been burning a hole in my browser. I know it’s a trick — but what’s the trick? They’re not running the film backwards, obviously. Is there an invisible cut somewhere? Because if not, dude.

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Thanks for the link SilverStar.

You are correct….I see no quarters in his hand before the bounce.

Good job busting the hoax but I am afraid that your good work has condemned AP to eternal damnation.

Talon on August 28, 2007 at 6:18 PM

reality

SilverStar830 on August 28, 2007 at 6:14 PM

OK.. then we will agree to disagree.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 6:18 PM

reality

SilverStar830 on August 28, 2007 at 6:14 PM

Maybe it’s just my computer but I’m unconvinced by your animation. I see him doing the “palming” thing, then the “coins” are already on their way. Can we get the bit in between?

jdpaz on August 28, 2007 at 6:18 PM

SilverStar830 on August 28, 2007 at 5:58 PM

And judging by the bulk of your posts on HotAir, you obviously have…?

I don’t know, 2 years of college credit physics in high school and three years of physics in college?

Look at the table top, there are no shadows from the coins as they travel across the top, even from the time they are all bunched up in te beginning of the illusion.

I suggest you look again, they are there.

HIS shadow however is bold and almost in direct line with his body in front of him indicating light almost directly above the table and somewhat behind him.

Again go back and look again, the lighting is coming from at least three different sources.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 6:19 PM

I think I hear a coin “tinkle” when he gets up from the table.

frreal on August 28, 2007 at 6:25 PM

Where’s the shadow when he’s just doing the single coin? Surely he didn’t fake that as well? I bet I could find a frame or two where those “singles” weren’t clearly visible as well.

jdpaz on August 28, 2007 at 6:27 PM

DUDE, IT’S MAGIC.

Allahpundit on August 28, 2007 at 3:37 PM

And Andy can find fault with this man?!

You’re killin’ me, AP.

Jaibones on August 28, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Where’s the shadow when he’s just doing the single coin? Surely he didn’t fake that as well? I bet I could find a frame or two where those “singles” weren’t clearly visible as well.

jdpaz on August 28, 2007 at 6:27 PM

Since the coins are discs they cast virtually no shadow when they are edge on to the greatest light source. As a result the shadows blink. This is little but crucial detail right is what I was talking about when I said it would take Industrial Lights and Magic to pull this off if it were CG.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 6:32 PM

I think the quarters are here.

jdpaz on August 28, 2007 at 5:51 PM

No that’s the wrapper. The coins suddenly reapper several frames later – see here

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 6:34 PM

First, he palms the quarters. In the slow mo replay you can see his hand is empty. The “quarters” were added later.

It’s still impressive to me since I don’t know how to add stuff to vids and have it look real.

csdeven on August 28, 2007 at 6:37 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 6:34 PM

Yep, first me and jdpaz thought the wrapper was the coins, but you are correct, that is the wrapper. I still don’t know where the coins are you your original frame. Unless they are still between his fingers and there is not enough light or resolution to tell.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 6:38 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 6:34 PM

I agree. but the trajectory you’d expect in the “throw-down” would make them land right in line with that roll. That’s why I believe that that frame is inconclusive.

jdpaz on August 28, 2007 at 6:39 PM

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Trust me. I downloaded the video and watched it full size on a 22″ monitor. The coins completely disappear and then suddenly reappear several frames later. The camera is fast enough to capture the blur of his hand so the coins have to appear somewhere and they don’t. Look, here’s another (larger) grab.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 6:44 PM

I wanna believe!

Iblis on August 28, 2007 at 6:46 PM

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 6:38 PM

Look at the larger shot I grabbed above. His hand and is open on the table and no coins to be seen anywhere.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 6:46 PM

Look at the larger shot I grabbed above. His hand and is open on the table and no coins to be seen anywhere.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 6:46 PM

I agree, I can’t see them either, but I really think its because of inadequate light and resolution. I think they are there. The audio sounds right too.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 6:49 PM

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 6:49 PM

Did you look at the larger grab? His hand is completely open, on the table and there are no coins anywhere. They don’t add them until several frames later. You can even see where they cut them in. The resolution is good enough to make out every single detail and yet they are nowhere to be seen until they magically appear.

Do this:

grab Firefox and the add the “download helper” add-on which lets you easily download videos and other media from any site you visit. Then go to download.com and grab one of the free flv viewers. I use BitComet but there are other freebies. Then download the video and watch it full screen and step it though the critical sequence. you’ll see.

This trick is doable I think but these guys faked it.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:00 PM

Maybe it was stated before, but he makes a switch as he begins to stand, puts his hands on the tables together and switches the quarters to the left hand. When he hits the table he has nothing in his right hand. That is a starting point.

right2bright on August 28, 2007 at 7:02 PM

BTW, the coins are just missing from one frame. They are missing from several.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:02 PM

I’m supposed to believe that this guy can pull off beautiful shadowing and terrific sound effects but he can’t CGI the quarters into the video in the proper frame?

It would be easier to do and less time-consuming to learn to do the trick.

jdpaz on August 28, 2007 at 7:05 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:00 PM

Gee BigOldDog… that sounds like a lot of work, I had rather concede the argument than do all of that. I’m not challenging your word, I don’t have that capability, wouldn’t know how to do it if I did. I agreed from the beginning, you got me on that one. I don’t know were the coins are in the frames you provided. Yes, this trick is doable in my opinion, if you got a lot of time on your hands to practice it.

I don’t know what to say beyond that.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Jeez! I go to the mall, grab some pizza with the Mrs., and let my boy dig up some dinosaurs only to come back and find this topic still red hot.

doriangrey, just admit it, it’s you in the video isn’t it. Oh, and don’t try that science stuff with me, I’m a Christian and everyone knows Christians hate science.

Weight of Glory on August 28, 2007 at 7:17 PM

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 6:32 PM

At EXACTLY :20 counting up, the roll of quarters disappears……edit job!!

heatherrc77 on August 28, 2007 at 7:24 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 6:44 PM

beautiful

I agree. but the trajectory you’d expect in the “throw-down” would make them land right in line with that roll. That’s why I believe that that frame is inconclusive.

jdpaz on August 28, 2007 at 6:39 PM

If they all start out at about the same position at the exact same time, and wind up all in a line, then how do they form a scrambled mess in the middle?

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 7:26 PM

This is so obviously fake that I can’t see arguing about it. Perhapse the Aliens the doriangrey is in contact with use their gravity manipulation machines to guide the quarters.

ronsfi on August 28, 2007 at 7:28 PM

If they all start out at about the same position at the exact same time, and wind up all in a line, then how do they form a scrambled mess in the middle?

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 7:26 PM

Try it yourself, you will see.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 7:34 PM

Ok people, I wasted a lot of time tonight so you all better watch this! (LOL!)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f46_1188344590

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Ok people, I wasted a lot of time tonight so you all better watch this! (LOL!)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f46_1188344590

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:44 PM

And your conclusion is ?

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 7:46 PM

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 7:46 PM

See how long his hand remains on the table (00:12 – 00:14) with no coins anywhere? They were added later.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:51 PM

Also, watch the coins around 00:22 – 00:25

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:52 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:51 PM

At 13 through 15 I can see them leaving from between his fingers. I REALLY think you are not taking into account the frame rate of an everyday camcorder. From the time his hand hits the table until the coins have dropped into the cups is something less than a tenth of a second. There are few ACTUAL video frames between those time… so it give the appearance of the coins suddenly appearing.

But you can see the distortion they cause in front of his hand as they are rising and only an inch or so away from his hand.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 7:58 PM

Ok people, I wasted a lot of time tonight so you all better watch this! (LOL!)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f46_1188344590

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Well I went through the trouble of converting it from flash to JPG frame by frame, if you want to provide me with a host for the JPG’s I’ll show you them. The frame by frame say, this is the real deal.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 8:02 PM

Ok people, I wasted a lot of time tonight so you all better watch this! (LOL!)

Tut! Tut! Nothing in contribution to this site is a waste of time. Well done!

Weight of Glory on August 28, 2007 at 8:03 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Sweet! The coins appear out of nowhere, travel together for a frame, and then just explode.

Is there a free player that makes it easy to go forwards and back a frame at a time?

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 8:03 PM

If they all start out at about the same position at the exact same time, and wind up all in a line, then how do they form a scrambled mess in the middle?

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 7:26 PM

They don’t, its chaos affect. Chaos theory states that any ordered symmetry viewed from the proper perspective appears to be random.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 8:06 PM

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 8:03 PM

I think you can do it with Microsoft Movie Maker which is free. I use Adobe Premier Elements which is about $100. You need to convert the FLV into MP4 or something to import it into Movie maker. I use a free one from these guys: http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:08 PM

They don’t, its chaos affect. Chaos theory states that any ordered symmetry viewed from the proper perspective appears to be random.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 8:06 PM

I’ve seen an article about a device that appears to mix two liquids, but if you turn the crank back it unmixes the liquids. But this is different, it’s not being rewound. Each coin is starting from a point next to the other coins with the same velocity. After they it the table, it’s ballistic except for collisions with each other. In order for them to all end up in the cups, either they all don’t collide or they all collide exactly right. Not going to happen. Even they did somehow not collide, they would all stay in nearly perfect line.

You can see the background between his thumb and fingers as his hand comes down, then hand on the table with no coins, then poof! there all there. Magic.

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 8:13 PM

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 8:03 PM

Keep in mind, the video will let you scroll constantly, but the camera was not recording every microsecond. Just like an old time filmed movie camera, a video camera has a set frame rate. And you do not see what happens between those frames. Thus… the coins seem to suddenly appear. The action is too quick for a normal camera. He needed one of those Japanese High Speed cameras like this one.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:14 PM

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:14 PM

here try this version.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:34 PM

This is truly vexing. If I had to bet my life on this one, I would be quite nervous at going either way. However, I can’t help but feel that a more convincing video would show us a few failed attempts that came close, or even multiple successful attempts. What we get is one perfect attempt, a very suspicious sleight-of-hand, arguably odd behavior of the coins while in-flight, and two very unexcited people, when it was all said and done. Such a feat would warrant a jubilant high-five, at the very least. No?

Dorian, your arguments are compelling, but not enough to explain the full content of this video.

-phil

phile on August 28, 2007 at 8:35 PM

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 8:13 PM

Even they did somehow not collide, they would all stay in nearly perfect line.

It’s only your perspective that makes it appear that they do not.

You can see the background between his thumb and fingers as his hand comes down, then hand on the table with no coins, then poof! there all there. Magic.

Thats because the coins have already left his hand before his hand hits the table. The coins appear to blink in and out because they are traveling faster than the frame rate of the camera.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 8:37 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:34 PM

Where you paused, you can’t see them. But as the video proceeds just after that, you can see them about three inches away from his hand. They are there.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:38 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:34 PM

Nice work. That’s pretty damning.

-phil

phile on August 28, 2007 at 8:38 PM

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:38 PM

I added no pause. None. Zero. Nada. That is the actual video simply slowed down and I did some zooming in on the second version.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:40 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:34 PM

Keep in mind, as they rise and are approaching there apex, they move more slowly, thus become more visible. They are moving the fastest immediately after the bounce, not enough frame rate to catch them clearly.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:43 PM

That’s where they get added Maxx. In large screen you can even see them fade in. Trust me Bud, this one’s busted.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:45 PM

The real question becomes… how many “takes” did he do before he got it right?

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:45 PM

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:43 PM

Ok. Believe it if you want to. I’m done trying to convince you. It’s obvious to me.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:49 PM

That’s where they get added Maxx. In large screen you can even see them fade in. Trust me Bud, this one’s busted.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:45 PM

But BigOldDog… I hate to belabor this so much, because we are not curing cancer here. I think you would agree the coins flew through the air and dropped into the cups. Something made them fly through the air with enough precision to hit there targets. If you are able to do that, how do you do it?

I don’t think you believe the entire video was somehow photoshopped to position each coin in flight… seems that would be more difficult and more amazing than actually doing the trick.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:51 PM

I added no pause. None. Zero. Nada. That is the actual video simply slowed down and I did some zooming in on the second version.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:40 PM

Give me an e-mail address and I’ll send you the individual frames…

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 8:55 PM

But BigOldDog… I hate to belabor this so much, because we are not curing cancer here. I think you would agree the coins flew through the air and dropped into the cups. Something made them fly through the air with enough precision to hit there targets. If you are able to do that, how do you do it?

Ah no, they are a special affect. They are added into the video with a video paint brush.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:56 PM

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 8:55 PM

I have the frames. I have the whole video. What I put up there is a simply slowed down version of the actual video.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:57 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:57 PM

I have the frames. I have the whole video. What I put up there is a simply slowed down version of the actual video.

and yet you contend its video fakery, when clearly frames 0884 – 0894 show the coins bouncing off the table and flying up…

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 9:00 PM

Ah no, they are a special affect. They are added into the video with a video paint brush.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:56 PM

I don’t doubt that you know a lot more about video editing than I do, you have demonstrated it. If it’s fake BigOldDog, then I don’t mind admitting it has fooled me.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 9:02 PM

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 9:00 PM

So what are you claiming I edited the video or the screen grabs? for what purpose would I waste that kind of time?

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 9:03 PM

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 9:02 PM

it fooled me at first too. Until I took a close look at it. The coins clearly suddenly appear. They clearly fade in and they clearly later fall straight down into the cups.

Download if for yourself from the source (they let you download so no need for download helper as it turns out). Import it into Movie Maker or some other video editing tool, slow it down and watch it.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 9:06 PM

I don’t think you believe the entire video was somehow photoshopped to position each coin in flight… seems that would be more difficult and more amazing than actually doing the trick.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 8:51 PM

Do you realize how easy it is to paint images in and recombine them into a video? This video is good resume stuff for someone going into CGI, which is big business. The other possibility is it an immense waste of time on a bar trick. Follow the money.

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 9:10 PM

it fooled me at first too. Until I took a close look at it. The coins clearly suddenly appear. They clearly fade in and they clearly later fall straight down into the cups.

Download if for yourself from the source (they let you download so no need for download helper as it turns out). Import it into Movie Maker or some other video editing tool, slow it down and watch it.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 9:06 PM

OK… that’s your take on it and that’s cool with me. But I’m thinking this guy may have stirred enough controversy with this that he may do another video in the future. Hopefully with better equipment next time. So the proof one way or the other may very well be in the future. I still think it’s real… I really do.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 9:12 PM

So what are you claiming I edited the video or the screen grabs? for what purpose would I waste that kind of time?

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 9:03 PM

No, I am simply suggesting that perhaps you are seeing what you want to see, rather than what is there. The coins are moving faster than the frame rate and thus are blurry, but they are there. In frames 0885 and 0886 they can be seen blurring his finger tips, in frame 0887 they can be seen as a blur on top of the roll of quarters on the table, by 0888 the blur moves to slightly above the roll of quarters, by frame 0889 they are slightly higher than 0888 and now starting to spread out.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Do you realize how easy it is to paint images in and recombine them into a video? This video is good resume stuff for someone going into CGI, which is big business. The other possibility is it an immense waste of time on a bar trick. Follow the money.

pedestrian on August 28, 2007 at 9:10 PM

Without artifacts, it’s not so easy. I saw no artifacts at all.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 9:16 PM

I added no pause. None. Zero. Nada. That is the actual video simply slowed down and I did some zooming in on the second version.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 8:40 PM

OK… the place where you put the text in, is what I should have said.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 9:28 PM

At EXACTLY :20 counting up, the roll of quarters disappears……edit job!!

heatherrc77 on August 28, 2007 at 7:24 PM

Here’s the link.

I don’t know how much video editing people here have done, but one thing is for sure. The time code is not precise. Unless you’re looking at a smpte time code you must assume that the time and frame rate has been compressed or degraded.

When exporting from Adobe Premiere to the .flv format, there is some loss unless you set a very large data rate. Even still the software interpolates some of the image information. The fact that the final flv file is so small could also be a tip off that frame rate and continuity has been downgraded.

I converted the file and opened it up in Premiere. The footage is crappy enough that it looks very much like he slams his hand with nothing in it…suggesting he palmed the quarters.

BUT the frame (1/60th of a second) immediately after his slam shows the quarters definitely bouncing off of the table. I tracked their trajectory from that point forward into the closing frames. So if this footage is faked, the questioning should focus on how they recreated the path of a group of quarters into the shot glasses.

Incidentally, the point at which the quarters appear to bounce from the table syncs perfectly with the sound of the slam on audio.

Lastly, if you look at the frame where he slams the quarters, his fingers are cocked in a manner that suggests he was holding something.

I took some frame grabs from within Premiere. They are grainy with many artifacts, but the quality of the initial roll leaves us with few options.

Lame frame by frame.

***

At 13 through 15 I can see them leaving from between his fingers. I REALLY think you are not taking into account the frame rate of an everyday camcorder. From the time his hand hits the table until the coins have dropped into the cups is something less than a tenth of a second. There are few ACTUAL video frames between those time… so it give the appearance of the coins suddenly appearing.

But you can see the distortion they cause in front of his hand as they are rising and only an inch or so away from his hand.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 7:58 PM

Well I went through the trouble of converting it from flash to JPG frame by frame, if you want to provide me with a host for the JPG’s I’ll show you them. The frame by frame say, this is the real deal.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 8:02 PM

You can post em on one of my servers. They won’t stay forever though, because I’m retooling my hosting accounts, domains, etc.

Either way, I think that it would be easy enough to fake this footage, but very difficult to do so in the way these guys have done. Also, I learned to bounce a quarter from waist high onto cement and into my shirt pocket in about 20 mins.

I am interminably goofy and unashamed. I will be having a beer now.

The Race Card on August 28, 2007 at 9:39 PM

Either way, I think that it would be easy enough to fake this footage, but very difficult to do so in the way these guys have done. Also, I learned to bounce a quarter from waist high onto cement and into my shirt pocket in about 20 mins.

I am interminably goofy and unashamed. I will be having a beer now.

The Race Card on August 28, 2007 at 9:39 PM

OK… but do you think its fake or not?

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 9:47 PM

He’s kicking the leg of the table to simulate the sound of the quarters striking the table.

MrC_5150 on August 28, 2007 at 9:48 PM

For what seems to be more quarter bouncing that at times is unbelievable…
http://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?video=354

jdog on August 28, 2007 at 9:55 PM

The Race Card on August 28, 2007 at 9:39 PM

You have more or less the same frames I have, however take a very careful look at the frame you title “first indication of nothing”. The coins are actually visible in that frame. In that frame they have not yet begun to come apart and are still all together. They appear as a gray blur over the roll of quarters by his hand. Compare the previous frame and the subsequent frame and you will notice that the blur is in both frames but at different positions along the coins trajectory. In the frame you title 14:23 they are the gray blur at his finger tips. As I said follow the gray blurs and you will notice that they perfectly follow the coins trajectory.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 10:00 PM

I just tried bouncing 10 quarters, on edge, off a cherry desk, then an oak table, then an oak floor and I can hardly get them to bounce. Try it. See if you can get a good bounce.

I think the key to how it may have been done is in the video itself. Watch him bouncing single quarters into the glasses. I bet they overlaid the individual shots into the final shot…

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 10:21 PM

I just tried bouncing 10 quarters, on edge, off a cherry desk, then an oak table, then an oak floor and I can hardly get them to bounce. Try it. See if you can get a good bounce.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 10:21 PM

My table top is formica, I don’t have a hardwood surface in the house. But mine bounce pretty good on formica. Not so good for accuracy… but hey … I’m a beginner.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 10:29 PM

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 10:29 PM

You threw 10 quarters on edge (not the flat like quarters are usually bounced) and got a good high bounce? I can’t even get a decent trajectory. On the flat, no problem, but on edge, nothing.

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 10:32 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 10:32 PM

No.. just one quarter, I didn’t try ten. I don’t feel like picking up all those quarters off the floor… just too lazy.

Anyway BigOldDog, I appreciate your efforts tonight, its been a good debate.

Maxx on August 28, 2007 at 10:49 PM

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 10:00 PM

I hear ya. Very compelling. After 2 beers, I’m willing to believe my eyes. Hats off to for digging in deep and standing your ground.

I think the key to how it may have been done is in the video itself. Watch him bouncing single quarters into the glasses. I bet they overlaid the individual shots into the final shot…

TheBigOldDog on August 28, 2007 at 10:21 PM

The overlay concept is also intriguing. But I just can’t see how they would be sure to pull it off so cleanly. I cannot detect visual artifacts that are not do to video degradation. It would require many manhours to pull this off cleanly. It would also require the confidence to embark upon such a task. Unless you have a lot of video post experience, it would be very daunting.

The Race Card on August 28, 2007 at 11:13 PM

The Race Card on August 28, 2007 at 11:13 PM

I hear ya. Very compelling. After 2 beers, I’m willing to believe my eyes. Hats off to for digging in deep and standing your ground.

Meh… I’m a quality Control Inspector, I spend all my time examining things for little tiny details. I measure things in the 10,000th of an inch and the thousandth of a second.

doriangrey on August 28, 2007 at 11:45 PM

*that are not do due to

The Race Card on August 28, 2007 at 11:56 PM

Here it is again for those who don’t BACKREAD…

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t57/Thomzilla/CoinBounceHuckster.gif

SilverStar830 on August 28, 2007 at 6:08 PM

I read all of the comments prior to this one. I agree with dorian. (I agree with others that it probably took many ‘takes’.)

First, the guy does hide the quarters with his left hand as he’s getting up. But, he didn’t palm them–the fingers of his left hand are slightly spread (and not particularly cupped), and his thumb is ‘loose’.

Second, the ‘break-down’ provided by SilverStar of frame shots omits the release of the quarters (in my opinion). It skips from the guy getting up, to his hand slapped against the table (which, of course, is after the release).

Haven’t analyzed the shadows, don’t think I will. Last thing is that dorian’s right again when he talks about the position of the shot glasses and the trajectory of the quarters. The coins on the outside will have a lateral force exerted on them by their neighbor, those in the middle will travel a parabola more true to the motion of the guy’s arm.

If it’s faked…well, this guy & his buddy got too much time on their hands.

RedCrow on August 29, 2007 at 12:44 AM

I thought I noticed a glint behind the glassy knoll…

I’m not sure which is more evidence of a wasted life, it being real or it being fake. At least the Numa Numa dance guy was getting some exercise.

Mojave Mark on August 29, 2007 at 1:03 AM

I would hope everyone already knows this, but in case there really is anyone who thinks this could be real…

You can see him cover his right hand, in which he is holding the quarters, with his left hand as he gets up from the table. This is to cover him slipping the quarters into his jacket pocket. You can see them bulging as he stands. The camera pulls back, he acts as if he’s throwing them against the table and the rest is computer effects. Notice that they don’t show you the inside of the glasses before the trick because there are quarters already in there.

Lone Star on August 29, 2007 at 1:42 AM

Lone Star on August 29, 2007 at 1:42 AM

Bingo, my point exactly. As I posted you can see the switch, very amatuer, didn’t catch the bulge.

The ones that think this could be done, well, now you know how “truthers” are born. Gullible in one area, gullible in others.

right2bright on August 29, 2007 at 7:56 AM

What is most impressive is that there were no insults during a heated discussion on a forum!

Good job, all!

_Jon on August 29, 2007 at 8:02 AM

Yep, we need us some 10/.25 Troofers to tell us what really happened.

The Monster on August 29, 2007 at 10:28 AM

You can see him cover his right hand, in which he is holding the quarters, with his left hand as he gets up from the table. This is to cover him slipping the quarters into his jacket pocket. You can see them bulging as he stands.

Lone Star on August 29, 2007 at 1:42 AM

That’s just not true, he does not slip the coins into his pocket, you can see the coins between his fingers after he is standing and just prior to the downward movement of his arm for the bounce. Everybody gets so hung-up on the fact that he covers the coins with his hands prior to standing, they think that’s where the “big trick” is, but it’s irrelevant.

Probably he’s just straitening coins into a perfect column between his fingers for the bounce. But whatever his purpose, he clearly did not slip the coins into his pocket, you can see the coins still between his fingers after he’s standing. The coins are not easy to see because the lighting is bad, but even with my old eyes I can see them in several frames prior to the bounce.

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 10:40 AM

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 10:40 AM

I think its time to let it go Maxx, like the 911 truthers there are some people (even here at HotAir) that no matter how much evidence you give them they are going to see every thing as a fraud/conspiracy…As someone else said, this is how “truthers” are born.

doriangrey on August 29, 2007 at 11:45 AM

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 10:40 AM

LOL. Oh really?! Then why does he have to even sit in the first place? Why not start the video with him standing beside the table, showing the coins to the camera, and then throwing them? Because he needs an excuse to move his arms to cover the view of the camera while he pocketed the coins. Sheesh.

Or maybe there’s an invisible leprechaun behind him who palms them. LOL

Lone Star on August 29, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Has anyone managed to bounce any quarters on edge yet?

I tried, doesn’t happen.

pedestrian on August 29, 2007 at 12:12 PM

Lone Star on August 29, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Or maybe you just haven’t bothered to watch it frame by frame, otherwise you would have figured out that what happened is he discovered that he couldn’t stand up from his chair without putting his hands on the table because his chair was slightly under the table. The second thing he discovers is that he cant put his hands on the table to lift himself up without misaligning the coins in his hand. If you were to actually watch it frame by frame you would discover that his hands never go farther then the wrist to the edge of the table. In other words his hands never leave the table, so no dropping of or pocketing of anything occurs.

But your obviously right, just because the video evidence clearly when viewed frame by frame obliterates your theory is no reason to believe this is anything other than a fake.

doriangrey on August 29, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Has anyone managed to bounce any quarters on edge yet?

I tried, doesn’t happen.

pedestrian on August 29, 2007 at 12:12 PM

There you go…Now thats what I’m talking about, the kind of indisputable proof we needed all along. pedestrian cant get a quarter to bounce on its edge, so ergo it cannot be done. Well done pedestrian I applaud your superior logic. /snark

doriangrey on August 29, 2007 at 12:27 PM

Has anyone managed to bounce any quarters on edge yet?

I tried, doesn’t happen.

pedestrian on August 29, 2007 at 12:12 PM

You’ve just taken this thread to a whole new level of absurdly.

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 12:27 PM

well did anyone?

pedestrian on August 29, 2007 at 1:08 PM

well did anyone?

pedestrian on August 29, 2007 at 1:08 PM

From this point forward pedestrian, no matter how much you try to deny it, you will always be the guy that can’t bounce a quarter on it’s edge.

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 1:14 PM

Bingo, my point exactly. As I posted you can see the switch, very amatuer, didn’t catch the bulge.

The ones that think this could be done, well, now you know how “truthers” are born. Gullible in one area, gullible in others.

right2bright on August 29, 2007 at 7:56 AM

I posted here short of 1:00am last night, and revisited to see how the rest of the discussion panned out.
It was a fun discussion about something of no consequence to anyone. Then I see this comment about “truthers”. Good job.

RedCrow on August 29, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Bingo, my point exactly. As I posted you can see the switch, very amatuer, didn’t catch the bulge.

The ones that think this could be done, well, now you know how “truthers” are born. Gullible in one area, gullible in others.

right2bright on August 29, 2007 at 7:56 AM

I posted here short of 1:00am last night, and revisited to see how the rest of the discussion panned out.
It was a fun discussion about something of no consequence to anyone. Then I see this comment about “truthers”. Good job.

RedCrow on August 29, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Exactly! Whoever is right or wrong in this thread, it is of less consequence than whoever wins the next football game. Some people cannot help but to get emotionally involved with their position, their pride becomes attached to their view, and to disagree with them, no matter how trivial the issue is to be shot with the “Truther” gun. Very sad, very immature.

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 3:24 PM

doriangrey on August 29, 2007 at 12:19 PM

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 3:24 PM

ROFL. You guys are a crack-up. Unless you’re the ones who shot the video, you must be evolutionists to be arguing that such a level of sheer chance could actually be true.

Lone Star on August 29, 2007 at 6:04 PM

Lone Star on August 29, 2007 at 6:04 PM

I can’t speak for doriangrey, but I assure you I am no evolutionist, I’m a creationist all the way and always have been.

I’m sure the guy in the video took many.. many takes before he got all of the coins in the cups. And yes, there is a lot of luck involved, but some skill too if you practice it enough.

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 8:42 PM

Lone Star on August 29, 2007 at 6:04 PM

I’d rather be called a “truther” than an evolutionist. :-)

There is nothing more absurd than the theory of evolution.

I’m sure the guy in the video did many… many takes before he got all the coins in the cups. And there is skill involved, he obviously practices this a lot, so really I don’t see what is so amazing about this or why people say its got to be fake.

Look at what Allah our resident expert on spotting phony videos had to say, he doesn’t seem to think its fake either because he doesn’t see any splicing or artifacts.

I still don’t think it’s fake Lone Star, but if you do… well that’s what makes HotAir fun, people with different points of view.

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 8:58 PM

Sorry about the double post, the browser hung-up on the first try and I didn’t think it went. So I decided to re-write it and post again… and dang… there’s the first one.

Maxx on August 29, 2007 at 9:10 PM

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