Illegals leaving Arizona ahead of tough new workplace-sanctions law; Update: Good news — Chuck Norris weighs in

posted at 4:46 pm on August 27, 2007 by Allahpundit

Captain Ed’s all over it. The rate is 100 a day according to one amnesty shill who’s surely exaggerating for effect, but the concurrent downturn in the housing market described at the end of the piece does suggest some heft to the phenomenon. If they’re serious about enforcing this thing, which they probably aren’t, we’ll start seeing real results a month or two after the law goes into effect on January 1. There’s no sense in most illegals leaving before then given the fine American tradition of passing immigration laws one has no intention of following.

If Arizona’s the laboratory for an economy stripped of illegal labor, California and New Mexico will be the laboratories for economies with a sudden illegal labor glut as Arizona’s “undocumented” alight. More labor = ever lower wages = a brewing backlash against illegals in those states too? Presumably unskilled U.S. citizens from Cali and NM facing new competition and tempted by the higher wages in Arizona will move in to fill the vacuum left by the departing illegals. The question is how many Arizona businesses will be left to receive them versus how many will have followed their departing laborers out of state. I guess that’s why this problem needs to be addressed at the federal level, replete with a guest worker program to keep companies from outsourcing: if it isn’t, then states face an economic prisoner’s dilemma vis-a-vis their neighbors. Or is my math wrong?

Update: You don’t want to hear from me on this issue. You want to hear from someone who knows what he’s talking about. Money:

As illegal immigrants continue crime sprees from New Jersey to Oregon, and our government fails to produce a suitable resolution to the immigrant crisis, now more than ever is the time to beat the doors of change and save the shores of Americana. With the possible creation of a North American Union and NAFTA Superhighways, illegal transport of immigrants, terrorists and other contraband is only going to increase and intensify.

“Shores of Americana”?


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See ya , don’t wanna be ya!

TheSitRep on August 27, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Buh-bye.

CitizenJim on August 27, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Heck we did this back in the 50s with migrant workers who stuck around too long – arrested a few of them, cracked down and then they all ran away under the assumption they’d be next. Perception that you actually could be arrested, fined and deported seriously (not like we do it now) is more the sufficient to make illegals and others think twice about staying here and making demands.

Defector01 on August 27, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Don’t let the virtual border door hit you in the…. well you get my drift…..

MNDavenotPC on August 27, 2007 at 4:50 PM

Too bad they don’t head straight south and be gone.

saiga on August 27, 2007 at 4:51 PM

This is news to me but I’ll start keeping count…

JWS on August 27, 2007 at 4:53 PM

Different state, same result.

billy on August 27, 2007 at 4:55 PM

What do we do with all the children they will be forced to leave behind?

CitizenJim on August 27, 2007 at 4:56 PM

But…but…who’s going to do the work that Americans won’t do in Arizona?

Kensington on August 27, 2007 at 5:02 PM

We need to start a national campaign: “Proudly made in America—by actual Americans!!

jdpaz on August 27, 2007 at 5:03 PM

I hope that this is not just “whack a mole”.

MB4 on August 27, 2007 at 5:03 PM

The Mexican senate will need to hire extra help just to issue so many proclamations of support….wait a minute, see how this works, we’re actually helping them find gainful employement back home.

Alden Pyle on August 27, 2007 at 5:05 PM

The welcome mat is out here in North Carolina. Come get your hassle-free drivers license and job- no questions asked.

Valiant on August 27, 2007 at 5:06 PM

From billy’s link:

“it hurts everyone…The American citizens in the state of Oklahoma suffer”

Why do journalist print stuff like that when it has no basis in reality? If I say the sky is green, will they just quote me without question?

MamaAJ on August 27, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Those who claim to care about this as an economic issue should welcome this development with open arms. If their theory is right, it will increase the need for workers and thus provide more justification for a program to bring in guest workers LEGALLY. Somehow I doubt that this is what the WSJ types had in mind though, as legal workers are not docile workers who can be paid under the table.

thirteen28 on August 27, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Higher labor costs will stop any business from opening in AZ that can open somewhere else. Retirees will want to buy homes somewhere where prices are lower. Sure you could federalize this, but that will just send the business south of the border.

It hard to see how this will affect what people are really complaining about, which is the criminals. The people who are leaving because of a workplace crackdown are the workers.

pedestrian on August 27, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Valiant on August 27, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Ditto Oregon.

MB4 on August 27, 2007 at 5:11 PM

The people who are leaving because of a workplace crackdown are the workers.

It’s a good start.

MB4 on August 27, 2007 at 5:13 PM

I guess that’s why this problem needs to be addressed at the federal level, replete with a guest worker program to keep companies from outsourcing: if it isn’t, then states face an economic prisoner’s dilemma vis-a-vis their neighbors. Or is my math wrong?

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that States can’t betray other States on this issue, they can only betray their own citizens.

For example, if the citizens of AZ don’t want illegal aliens, then the AZ government must pass and enforce tough anti-illegal immigration laws.

On the other hand, if the citizens in TX want illegal aliens, then the TX government must not pass tough anti-illegal immigration laws, and refuse to enforce the federal laws.

This way, illegal immigrants will move from AZ to TX and everyone is happy.

However, the problem starts (as always) when States refuse to do the will of the people, and betray their citizens.

Does that make sense in the context of the question?

jaime on August 27, 2007 at 5:15 PM

Heck we did this back in the 50s with migrant workers who stuck around too long – arrested a few of them, cracked down and then they all ran away under the assumption they’d be next.

Defector01

Yep … “Operation Wetback”

darwin on August 27, 2007 at 5:20 PM

Update: You don’t want to hear from me on this issue. You want to hear from someone who knows what he’s talking about. Money:

*Sigh* Y’know Allah, sometimes ignorance really is bliss…dammit Chuck.

Bad Candy on August 27, 2007 at 5:21 PM

Close the door to jobs and you close the door at the border.

Wouldn’t it be nice if the Border Patrol just had to worry about drug smuggling and terrorist entering illegally?

I wonder what unemployment would be if the illegals left. Would there would be a need for minimum wage laws? Those jobs that supposedly Americans don’t want might look much better with a higher wage. And the list goes on…

vulcannomad on August 27, 2007 at 5:24 PM

I’ve been wondering since a short while after Mr Bush first suggested a Guest Worker Program during his SOTU in 2001 if, as states decide to pick up the slack of the federal government’s job in enforcement of immigration laws, albeit a bit at a time, this trend continues of states picking up the slack to other areas of federal responsibilities, will this bring a resurgence of states rights? I think it just might.

Weebork on August 27, 2007 at 5:25 PM

What do we do with all the children they will be forced toleave behind?

CitizenJim on August 27, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Jim, if the parents were parents at all, they’d take them with them. Who is forcing them to stay behind? I am getting a bit irritated with ” what about the children” diatribe. They knew they were illegal when they arrived. They had children anyway. This is a slap in the face of our laws and our culture.

MNDavenotPC on August 27, 2007 at 5:27 PM

“Shores of Americana”?

Here’s a guess:

2 : a boundary (as of a country) or an area within a boundary — usually used in plural
3 : land as distinguished from the sea

jaime on August 27, 2007 at 5:30 PM

GREAT !!!
.

As long as they are headed SOUTH.
.
Direction of travel for illegals LEAVING Arizona is DUE South.
.

shooter on August 27, 2007 at 5:32 PM

Pure BS. Don’t believe it.

We have plenty of teen-to-thirty-something anchor babies, grey hairs, and American-farm-workers
-or-unemployed-for-more-than-six-months-so-no-longer-showing-up-in-the-unemployment-numbers to take up the slack. But there will be no slack, because this is an outright lie by the AZ Republic trying to suck some sympathy out of the puplic. There are no illigals leaving AZ, and if there are, at 100 a day it’s nothing. There are more anchor babies born every day than that, and the illigals keep pouring in.

Exit Question: If you make money illegally and buy a house and a pickup with the money (not even to mention not paying taxes) isn’t that the same a stealing the American Dream?

AZCON on August 27, 2007 at 5:34 PM

I think Jim’s being sarcastic.

I feel for the illegals who got used to life in AZ and will soon flee to CA. The cost of living’s a lot higher here due to gas taxes and property values. They’ll have to fit 5 families instead of 3 into a single family home to make ends meet. But eventually that will lead to a sharp decrease in property values, so I guess it will even out in the end. And the governator’s promising healthcare to all, legal or not, so maybe they’ll strike it rich here in the Golden State.

NTWR on August 27, 2007 at 5:34 PM

I guess that’s why this problem needs to be addressed at the federal level, replete with a guest worker program to keep companies from outsourcing: if it isn’t, then states face an economic prisoner’s dilemma vis-a-vis their neighbors. Or is my math wrong?

Math is wrong. Unskilled labor that competes with illegal aliens is Black. Black people from California and New Mexico aren’t pulling up stakes to get he jobs illegals had to leave behind. Arizona will back fill from the welfare rolls, and the unemployed.

A large shift of illegals to California will increase the backlash. You can’t hide that many people in Santa Ana. They are going to spil over into liberal and Black neighborhoods. I’d be nice to see middle class liberals deal with the effects of illegal immigration. I suspect theri reaction will much the same as the liberals in N. Virginia when illegals started moving in.

Theworldisnotenough on August 27, 2007 at 5:36 PM

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that States … can only betray their own citizens.

For example, if the citizens of AZ don’t want illegal aliens, then the AZ government must pass and enforce tough anti-illegal immigration laws.

On the other hand, if the citizens in TX want illegal aliens, then the TX government must not pass tough anti-illegal immigration laws, and refuse to enforce the federal laws…

However, the problem starts (as always) when States refuse to do the will of the people, and betray their citizens.

jaime on August 27, 2007 at 5:15 PM

Jaime – I believe the problem starts at the FEDERAL level (not the state level) because the FEDERAL GOV’T betrays citizens by not enforcing FEDERAL immigration laws. The states therefore are forced to step in, to do the job the feds won’t do. Those states that want to solve their illegal immigration problem will pass and enforce laws making it unattractive for illegals to settle there. Neighboring states not inclined to do anything will find that their problems become worse until they are also forced to do something. And state-by-state, the problem gets solved (one HOPES) because again, the states are doing what the feds won’t do.

reine.de.tout on August 27, 2007 at 5:39 PM

The Chuck Norris speaketh!! We must obey. Great opinion by him too.

dawgsleadtheway on August 27, 2007 at 5:41 PM

When Chuck Norris falls in the ocean, he doesn’t get wet. The ocean gets Chuck Norris!

dawgsleadtheway on August 27, 2007 at 5:42 PM

Chuck Norris does not wet the bed, the bed wets itself out of fear of Chuck Norris.

dawgsleadtheway on August 27, 2007 at 5:45 PM

What good is it if they are just going to CA or CO

400lb Gorilla on August 27, 2007 at 5:58 PM

The tears of Chuck Norris cure cancer.

Pity he never cries.

/survived Barren chat

Asher on August 27, 2007 at 6:03 PM

Reaching for a piece of paper is the new reaching for a bar of soap.

Maybe he was just looking for a loving, monogamous relationship with the guy in the next stall.

pedestrian on August 27, 2007 at 6:11 PM

Chuck Norris sat four tables away from me at an upscale Thai restaurant in La Jolla. He nodded and smiled to the waitress that brought his drink–she was immediately pregant with his son.

After he finished his 60 oz. steak, Chuck Norris glared out the southern-facing window for a few moments… we later found out that on the basis of Chuck Norris’ stare, illegal immigration into San Diego from Tijuana ceased for seven weeks.

ScottMcC on August 27, 2007 at 6:12 PM

When life hands him lemons, Chuck Norris kicks a truckload of illegals back across the border. Chuck f’ing hates lemonade.

infidel4life on August 27, 2007 at 6:19 PM

Chuck Norris sat four tables away from me at an upscale Thai restaurant in La Jolla. He nodded and smiled to the waitress that brought his drink–she was immediately pregant with his son.

After he finished his 60 oz. steak, Chuck Norris glared out the southern-facing window for a few moments… we later found out that on the basis of Chuck Norris’ stare, illegal immigration into San Diego from Tijuana ceased for seven weeks.

ScottMcC on August 27, 2007 at 6:12 PM

Hehe.

PRCalDude on August 27, 2007 at 6:20 PM

Jim, if the parents were parents at all, they’d take them with them. Who is forcing them to stay behind? I am getting a bit irritated with ” what about the children” diatribe. They knew they were illegal when they arrived. They had children anyway. This is a slap in the face of our laws and our culture.

MNDavenotPC on August 27, 2007 at 5:27 PM

I agree 100%. Apologies, if my intended sarcasm was not clear. Elvira Arellano should be ashamed for leaving her special needs child behind.

CitizenJim on August 27, 2007 at 6:27 PM

Our country was founded on a philosophy of federalism not nationalism. The states were intended to always be supreme over the three branches. So, we, as citizens of our respective states, need to kick the collective butts of our legislators and take charge of our borders.

MNDavenotPC on August 27, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Citizen Jim
My apologies for not recognizing it as sarcasm. Unfortunately, I take this whole topic so doggone seriously. My bad.

MNDavenotPC on August 27, 2007 at 6:34 PM

Yeah, my bud Chuck and I both use the total gym.

TheSitRep on August 27, 2007 at 6:38 PM

Elvira Arellano should be ashamed for leaving her special needs child behind.

If she believes he’ll have a better life here with someone else raising him, than with her in Mexico, (with which I can’t argue) she’s doing the right thing by him as a parent. It’s about the only thing she doesn’t need to be ashamed about.

The Monster on August 27, 2007 at 6:39 PM

Jaime – I believe the problem starts at the FEDERAL level (not the state level) because the FEDERAL GOV’T betrays citizens by not enforcing FEDERAL immigration laws.
reine.de.tout on August 27, 2007 at 5:39 PM

Yes, of course. But I thought the question from AP pointed to State/State relationships when faced with a lack of Federal action. Am I wrong?

jaime on August 27, 2007 at 6:41 PM

New dream ticket:

Jeff Sessions/Chuck Norris!

MB4 on August 27, 2007 at 6:42 PM

“Shores of Americana”?

In his defense, he IS angling for that coveted Miss Teen South Carolina gig.

SailorDave on August 27, 2007 at 6:59 PM

Amigo, the borders that way! Your headed for Colorado.

pat on August 27, 2007 at 7:00 PM

If she believes he’ll have a better life here with someone else raising him, than with her in Mexico, (with which I can’t argue) she’s doing the right thing by him as a parent. It’s about the only thing she doesn’t need to be ashamed about.

The Monster on August 27, 2007 at 6:39 PM

You assume that is what she believes. I don’t. I believe she is using him as the pawn she intended when she had him. Cynic? Yes. Prove me wrong.

MNDavenotPC on August 27, 2007 at 7:01 PM

“You don’t want to hear from me on this issue.” But we have AP, we have, loud and clear. Chuck Norris is just the source to link when you’re too chicken to cover, say, Jerome Corsi.

It’s almost amazing that the Mexican nationals believe that this gov’t will actually deport them, let alone cut off social services. Just because they may be bailing now doesn’t mean they won’t be back when HRC takes over and when the Nafta Superhighway can take them to AP’s neighborhood as well as everyone else’s.
Come to think of it, Mexico’s immigration policy is something that our gov’t should adopt, probably the only thing, but with better and less crowded jail conditions.

Christine on August 27, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Oh baby, Chuck is my hero!

Anybody heard about just how accommodating the Swift plants are to their illegals? I live in Amarillo, and there is a Swift plant north of here in Cactus, TX. After the first ICE raid at the plant (which many knew about before hand because most of the illegals scattered like roaches when you turn a light on before the raid happened) I started noticing these white buses driving around Ama. Well, turns out that since much of the population of Cactus was illegal, and they skipped town to hide out in the big city, Swift started a bus service to pick up their “employees,” so now they have a free ride to and from work everyday (approx. 120 mile round trip).

Swift stated that they started the bus service because of a tornado that wiped out much of Cactus in the spring, which displaced its residents, however the buses began running before the tornado hit.

It must be very profitable to hire illegals if the Co. can afford to bus them to work everyday.

No wonder wages in Amarillo and the Panhandle are about 20% lower than the rest of the state.

Anybody feel like commandeering a few buses–and head straight for the border?

BROWNEYEDTEXAN on August 27, 2007 at 8:04 PM

Wow! Chuck’s got the smarts. That was great. I saw him host on Hannity and Colmes once and he didn’t come off as an intellectual to say the least. That was a Gingrichian level column to be sure.

Mojave Mark on August 27, 2007 at 8:21 PM

But…but…who’s going to do the work that Americans won’t do in Arizona?

Kensington on August 27, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Don’t worry-I’m on it!

JWS on August 27, 2007 at 8:21 PM

When I saw Chuck Norris in the headline, I wistfully thought, “Sweet! Chuck Norris! He should run for office or something.” But, dude…seriously, what’s with the ‘scary’ allusion to the “North American Union and NAFTA superhighways”? So, with that, is Chuck Norris still a bada**?…sure. A politician?…not so much.

CP on August 27, 2007 at 8:35 PM

It ain’t the “Chimes of Freedom,” that’s for sure. Actors and athletes should have multiple layers of editors.

km on August 27, 2007 at 8:45 PM

Amazing what a little ENFORCEMENT of the law does. In a similar vein, the new directive from NJ AG is paying off: turn in a machete, get a free bus trip.

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk0OCZmZ2JlbDdmN3ZxZWVFRXl5NzE4NzIzNyZ5cmlyeTdmNzE3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTI=

and

http://www.nj.com/southjersey/index.ssf/2007/08/man_arrested_for_assault_with.html

What IS IT about machetes??? Maybe for playing “whack a mole” in the front yard??

Both stories courtesy of newsy section of:

http://www.alipac.us/forum-6.html

fred5678 on August 27, 2007 at 9:32 PM

The Rio Grande formed when Chuck Norris glared at the border and it jumped back 300 feet.

Nosferightu on August 27, 2007 at 11:07 PM

Higher labor costs will stop any business from opening in AZ that can open somewhere else. Retirees will want to buy homes somewhere where prices are lower. .

Sorry, but if you think you are paying a cheaper price for a house due to illegal labor, you are fooling yourself. I’ve been in the building trades for 30+ years and the price of housing doesn’t go down. Just contractors and subs make more money.

pedestrian on August 27, 2007 at 5:11 PM

chewydog on August 28, 2007 at 12:14 AM

What do we do with all the children they will be forced to leave behind?

CitizenJim on August 27, 2007 at 4:56 PM

The children are the responsibility of the illegal invaders and NO ONE here in the US forces the illegal invaders to leave their children behind. The illegal invaders must take their children with them and raise them in their own country.

William

William2006 on August 28, 2007 at 5:28 AM

Are you mocking Chuck’s writing?

To quote Prince Humperdinck, I would not say such things if I were you.

Professor Blather on August 28, 2007 at 8:18 AM

Chuck Norris sat four tables away from me at an upscale Thai restaurant in La Jolla. He nodded and smiled to the waitress that brought his drink–she was immediately pregant with his son.

ScottMcC on August 27, 2007 at 6:12 PM

Thanks for my morning laugh!

Of course, I realized immediately your story was fiction. Because Chuck Norris never smiles.

Professor Blather on August 28, 2007 at 8:20 AM

What do we do with all the children they will be forced to leave behind?

CitizenJim on August 27, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Foolish man, Chuck Norris will set up a refuge camp for abandoned children in the Santa Monica mountains. He will stand guard, and fight off the onslaught of Mexican dictators and hit men bent on killing the children and taking revenge on our coulture of border security.
He will personally save LAX from terrorist bomb, set to divert attention as teams of Mexican ninjas swarm his refuge camp. He will helicopter in, after de-arming the LAX bomb and killing everyone but the master mind behind the plot, and save the children…after kicking the sh*t out of the master mind.
The children will be overjoyed and he will win the heart of the master minds beautiful daughter. Who will use her fathers money to help the children.

You must be new to America.

right2bright on August 28, 2007 at 8:50 AM

I agree with most of what Chuck has to say. I do take issue with his last point, which he says he got from Newt, calling for a “touchback” provision. On the face of it it might make some sense if you are talking about illegals from BORDERING nations. But, what about the roughly one million or so illegals from say, China? Should they buy a plane ticket to Beijing and hang out at the local Marriott while our embassy fools around with their paperwork?
The touchback thing never made any sense to me.

Babs on August 28, 2007 at 9:21 AM

Oh good maybe the tatooed shaved head count will continue up here in the Palm Springs area. Bank robbery has been incresing here too…. wonder if it’s connected?. Just doin jobs Americans won’t do.

Bleeding hearts don’t want to talk about the baggage that comes with the lettuce pickers. These people and their (many) relatives come from a lawless country where drug trafficking is commonplace and there’s little or no health care. It’s a toss up whether the Federales or the cartels rule the streets. They come here from a failed state and a failed economy and a failed culture that seems unable to effect change in their own country. And then have the brass to wave their silly flags in our streets. Unbelievably they are reluctant to assimilate which tells me they want our land, they don’t want to be Americans. They LIKE what they come from and are proud of it. I think They view any lawful society as a plum to be picked. Yes there are exceptions, but not nearly enough.

I read what I’ve written and it makes me sad. I’m sorry I sound the way I do, but I live amongst them and I’ve had enough of this Mexican Rights crap. Our forefathers didn’t fight for Mexico’s rights and we didn’t build a nation to give away to Mexico. Just because they can’t run their own business doesn’t mean we forfeit ours to them.

Ernest on August 28, 2007 at 10:00 AM