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posted at 11:53 am on August 25, 2007 by Allahpundit
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In your price range? From Microsoft? You need to share what ever you are smoking with the rest of the class…
doriangrey on August 25, 2007 at 11:59 AM
hahahaha…That was pretty good!
JetBoy on August 25, 2007 at 12:03 PM
That rocks.
I also like this one about if Microsoft had designed the iPod packaging.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k
JayHaw Phrenzie on August 25, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Hey…if he can afford what you think he’s smoking, he can afford that. Uh…from what I understand.
PatrickS on August 25, 2007 at 12:06 PM
Hey, nothing is wrong with a rotary phone and a cassette player. By the way, I’m typing this from a typewriter.
terryannonline on August 25, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Interesting how people love Apple and hate Microsoft, considering the fact that Apple was 100 times greedier and nastier than Microsoft.
For those who forget, Apple owned both the hardware AND software and refused to license anyone to take part in either of their markets. They gouged their own customers by forcing them to buy nothing but Apple equipment at 5 times the price and, at the same time, complained about Microsoft – which always delivered your standard pop OS at a reasonable price. Not great software, but like pop music, good enough for the masses. Meanwhile Apple was laughing at how they were fleecing their customers, who seemed to like Apple more with every price hike.
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 12:08 PM
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JayHaw Phrenzie on August 25, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Wow, should have hit preview. :(
What i tried to say was that I love Microsoft, but that video still made me laugh.
JayHaw Phrenzie on August 25, 2007 at 12:13 PM
I laughed, too. The vid was hysterical.
I just have this thing about Apple.
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 12:15 PM
Heh.
Editor on August 25, 2007 at 12:15 PM
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 12:15 PM
AP must be sharing what ever he is smoking with you…I dont fit into either camp, the love Apple or Microsoft, Yes, I did own a Mac, as in the original Macintosh about 20 years ago. Since then I have had all IBM clone’s. And yes I beta tested for Microsoft.
Apple’s are good stable computers, but I prefer to tinker with my computer innards, something Apple makes quite difficult. I also like to tinker with my operating system, Apple has always made that very difficult and now Microsoft is making it extremely difficult as well.
I fool around with Linux every now than then, but it has a damn steep learning curve. Microsoft products are damn expensive, but they sure are easy to use.
In spite of their price I have little doubt that I will continue using Microsoft, I’m perhaps just a little to comfortable with them to abandon using them.
doriangrey on August 25, 2007 at 12:28 PM
The worst thing about the 2nd vid is the fact that it was commissioned by a group at MSFT to be shown at an internal sales and marketing meeting as what not to do on MSFT’s retail packaging…
Legend goes the Marketing people watched it, all laughed heartily, and promptly wrote down actions items on their Toshiba Tablet PCs running Microsoft ® Windows XP ® and Microsoft Office ® OneNote 2003 to not do a damn thing differently.
ScottMcC on August 25, 2007 at 12:30 PM
Gee, y’ think?
I love when ADS (Apple Derangement Syndrome) strikes conservatives. Phrases like “refuses to license” and “forcing them to buy” suddenly become acceptable euphemisms for “free market economics.” Whatever.
Great vids. They’re funny because they hit home. People become Apple fanboys because Apple is the antithesis of “good enough for the masses.” And other people contract ADS because they can’t stand the fact they are the aforementioned masses.
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 12:31 PM
That video was so f’n funny.
Christoph on August 25, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Yup all true… but all of Apples products are designed and engineered on PCs…. other then entertainment, Macs are not suited for serious work and are simply fashion statements. Which by the way the color “white” went out in the late 80’s.
ADS mindset reminds me of moonbats who will only buy a Volvo becasue it’s safer!… yeah 25 years ago. Mac people should move on, and learn to enjoy their painless world and stop trying to convert the rest of us.
But it is entertaining!
Bob on August 25, 2007 at 12:46 PM
I don’t love Microsoft, dorian. I just think that people seem to hate Microsoft for no good reason and seem to love Apple for even less.
They love Apple for reasons like:
Now, THAT’s funny!
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Heh. I’m a good solid conservative, and an Apple lover. Why? Yes, Apple the company is arrogant, and stacked with Libs. But they make a dang good product. When they say, it just works, well they are right. It does.
As for Microsoft, they are just as arrogant as Apple. The differnce between the two companies? Apple at least tries to focus on putting consumers and their customers desires first. They try to make it easy for people to use their machines. Microsoft never did that, they made it easy for developers to use…. and most developers hate making their products useful. It’s hard work, I know, having built software. Apple forces their developers to make it userfriendly. So it is.
Vanceone on August 25, 2007 at 12:56 PM
May Microsoft Reign Supreme FOREVER!!!
(Ah, they’re not perfect, but my OS works just fine)
congsan on August 25, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Translation: I am unable to differentiate “good” from “better.” “Good enough” is good enough for me, and I can’t stand the fact that others have higher standards.
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 12:57 PM
I love when CDS (Conservative Derangement Syndrome) strikes idgits.
PatrickS on August 25, 2007 at 1:00 PM
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Sorry wasn’t accusing you of it. I just got a sense of your being a bit sensitive about people mocking MS.
Heh heh ya, Apple people do tend to get quite exited…Apple does put out a great product, but Apple fans really ought to relax and calm down. On the other hand those that do not care for Apple have a tendency to be as equally exited as Apple fans, just in the opposite direction.
doriangrey on August 25, 2007 at 1:02 PM
I didn’t feel accused, dorian. I was just clarrifying. Personally, I was an Amiga person … though I knew that Commodore was one of the worst companies to have ever existed. Talk about heartache.
Yes, they do. Ugly, at times, but they do what they say.
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 1:07 PM
Vanceone on August 25, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Oh please, the only difference between MS and Apple is that Microsoft never tide themselves to hardware. Because Microsoft was never hardware centric they damn near took over the PC market. Had Apple made a similar decision they probably would be where Microsoft is today.
Apple simply made the mistake of being too proprietary. Apple should have seen the competitive nature of the hardware industry and used that competitive nature to their advantage instead of trying to fight against it.
Both companies are very good at what they do, unlike MS Apple is trying to drag an anchor behind them and it shows in their market share. Apple innovates better than probably any other company in the personal computer world. But the proprietary hardware centric anchor they are dragging is hurting them in the market share arena.
doriangrey on August 25, 2007 at 1:15 PM
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 1:07 PM
Now thats a understatement if ever there was one…
doriangrey on August 25, 2007 at 1:16 PM
I like the flip down system regs.
Does anyone else think it would be totally cool to have the rotary dial function on your phone for novelty reasons?
BadgerHawk on August 25, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Yea, I thought that was pretty cool…I’m sooo stone knives and bear skins some times…
doriangrey on August 25, 2007 at 1:20 PM
Amazing how little people know about the industry isn’t it? If Apple had 1/10th the business sense of Wintel, they’d be the dominant player. But they were greedy and price gouged and their hardware stunk (comparatively) for many, many years. If it wasn’t for Microsoft writing Office for Mac in the early years I wonder if they would have even survived…
TheBigOldDog on August 25, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Care to explain?
Read Progressoverpeace’s first post, and note how he proclaims Apple to be “greedy and nasty” because they (wait for it) made different business decisions than Microsoft. I’ll be the first to stipulate that over the years, Apple has made some colossal mistakes in how they have priced & marketed products, and operated their business. It’s still amazing to me Apple survived at all; honestly, they didn’t deserve to survive. But Apple is a private company, and they have the right to make their own mistakes. No true conservative would claim that Apple is “greedy and nasty” because they declined to license their OS and made stupid decisions about pricing. The free market, not some ranting Microsoft apologist, will decide whether Apple’s approach (integrated software/hardware) or Microsoft’s approach (”good luck with your hardware”) is more viable.
And for those who aren’t aware, while Apple’s hardware used to be much more expensive, these days it’s frequently the other way around.
Um, care to join us in the 21st century? What anchor? At this point, Apple has zero proprietary hardware, and hasn’t for years. Further, OS X has zero legacy code, unlike Vista. On the contrary, Apple has frequently (and not undeservedly) been pilloried for making two complete changes in their OS (from 68k to PowerPC and from OS9 to OSX). It’s MS that’s pulling the deadweight of backward compatibility. Don’t get me wrong — one of the main reasons MS has thrived is because they have maintained backward compatibility, and I applaud them for doing so. But that decision also comes with its own set of disadvantages, and it would be foolish to pretend otherwise. Similarly, Apple’s earlier decisions to use proprietary hardware and non-standard processors had a distinct set of advantages and disadvantages.
In conclusion, note which direction Apple’s market share is moving. Now that they’ve adopted industry-standard hardware and fixed their pricing, the sky’s the limit. Microsoft’s current business strategy can be summed up in one word: inertia.
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 1:35 PM
I had Macs for a decade+, got a PC laptop 18 months ago. 3.2 gig plus a gig of ram, etc., fast but still a pc.
I’ve had more probs w/ the PC ws/ XP PRO in a year and a half than ALL my macs ( 4 of ‘em -from g-3’s to present) combined.
I do photography , imaging and graphics, so everyone in design fields used macs- ’til recently.
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oh, and I never lost a file on a mac.
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.. I do love the new phone, landcam and it’s rotary dial. Mazda like.
shooter on August 25, 2007 at 1:36 PM
Well now we have the new mem… Macs are cheaper. Well I guess since they now use PC architecture they need a new story.
“Everybody knows PCs are cheaper than Macs, right? Wrong! (At least sometimes.)”
At least Sometimes! and that article was written by commited Mac fanatic!
ADS is evident in Apple’s commercials… They need to poke fun at PC users in order to convince their own they’re superior… very much a Democrat tactic!
Bob on August 25, 2007 at 1:51 PM
This should be a rather large thread.
The fact of the matter is that there are no Microsoft fanbois. The only people who wrap up their self-esteem in electronics are IPod and Mac fans.
When I showed some co-workers movie clips on my Dell Axim a couple of years ago, everyone said that it was pointless because the screen was too small. Of course, when a few of them bought video IPods, it was better than sliced bread. The same folks panned my HTC because ‘nobody’ would want to surf the net on a phone and it was too big to stick in your pocket. Two of them now have iPhones.
If you prefer a Mac, that’s fine. But it doesn’t make you a special little butterfly.
Asher on August 25, 2007 at 1:53 PM
I was talking about how Apple has traditionally treated its customers. Look, some people like going to restaurants where the hostess is obnoxious and the waiters are nasty. They have every right to run their business that way and people have every right to enjoy the abuse. I don’t like those sorts of businesses, myself.
Perhaps Microsoft has just not been able to be as nasty to its customers as it wanted – with Linux hanging around the periphery and such, and not having any ownership of the hardware – but Apple certainly went as far as it possibly could in that direction, all the while claiming to be the “nice little computer company” fighting against Big Brother.
I just find it all quite interesting.
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 1:54 PM
Bingo!
And they were totally incorrect in their “touche” commercial. They tried to make fun of PC with an incorrect definition of “touche”. Very liberal.
progressoverpeace on August 25, 2007 at 1:57 PM
Gawd. Now you’re reduced to whining about commercials, and for the same reason as your previous whining. Apple makes commercials people like and remember (and win awards), while the thoroughly forgettable advertising out of Redmond is “good enough.”
And I love the whole “MS has not been nasty enough” meme. Very cute. What’s next — Microsoft as the victim of big, bad Apple?
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 2:12 PM
I run all three system–OSX, XP and Ubuntu. I’ll stick with OSX. Macs aren’t designed as “office machines.” They have always been geared toward audio and graphics and being an artist myself and living near the music capital of the world (Nashville!), Apple is the industry standard.
There’s nothing wrong with a PC–I have a few, but please don’t lecture anyone on who’s greedier–Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. And yes, everyone that uses a Mac or an iPod is ipso-facto GAY. And everyone that uses a PC can make a kick-ass spreadsheet while playing Doom at 80fps. People use the machines in different ways for for different reasons. But to get upset or angry at someone because they use a Mac is silly.
I also have a CL Zen Touch and a video iPod. The Zen definitely sounds better–CL uses a much better decoder than Apple, but my iPod is WAY less complicated to use.
robblefarian on August 25, 2007 at 2:16 PM
I don’t have a problem with everything else you wrote, but those two statements. What non-Apple hardware can I run their OS on? iTunes and some minor stuff like Quicktime run on any hardware, but what else?
As for Microsoft’s inertia, they are growing very rapidly both in profitability, number of employees, and product areas. They are in a vast array of service areas that Apple is nowhere near. Apple has a nice niche for people who like a certain style, but evidently 90% of us don’t care or actually prefer the greater functionality that MS products provide. I can definitely see why MS would prefer their version of the iPod box. That’s definitely the one I would buy, because I could take the time to know what I was buying. The time it takes it learn a piece of software is far more valuable than the price you pay for it, and I have enough exposure to Apple products to know they are crippled even in comparison to MS products. I prefer products that I can stay with as my need for new features grows.
pedestrian on August 25, 2007 at 2:19 PM
What? No blue screen of death?!? I needs the blue screen of death!
looking4statesmen on August 25, 2007 at 2:21 PM
All I own and use are PCs but I wish I owned a Mac.
Into which camp does that put me?
Anyway, if you can afford them and you aren’t into gaming, the “joy” of fiddling with components, and you have the money, Apples are clearly the superior alternative. To whomever said above that Apples are good for “working”, I think he’s stuck in 1997 or so. Whether it’s plain old file compatibility or a bit more complicated emulation, Apple’s can pretty much do anything and run anything you could ever want. The move to a Unix based OS code and the Intel chips have made quite an improvement in this regard.
mjgreco on August 25, 2007 at 2:28 PM
Let’s get our terminology straight, shall we? Ask 100 industry people what “proprietary hardware” means, and they’ll tell you either “non-industry-standard hardware” or “hardware that is not available for licensing.” It has nothing to do with the OS — hence the term “hardware”. Apple used to use lots of proprietary hardware (ADB, for instance), non-standard processors (PowerPC) and other superior-but-expensive components (SCSI). Not any more.
I admit I was not specific enough with my use of the term “inertia,” so I’ll explain further. Because Microsoft can’t match the “it just works” nature of Apple’s integrated hardware/software, they are counting on their customers’ inertia (slow/scared to change) to maintain market share. And that strategy will work, to some degree. There will always be those for whom “good enough” is preferable to making a change. C’est la vie. Apple clearly isn’t competing for that segment. And, strangely enough, the majority of the profits aren’t in that segment. It’s almost as if Apple had a strategy or something.
As for Microsoft’s 90% market share, that is mainly attributable to Apple’s boneheaded business decisions of the past, as I have already mentioned. Now that Apple management has pulled their heads out of their butts and dramatically lessened barriers to entry, their marketshare is going up and the future is bright. Investors seem to agree. MS, on the other hand . . .
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 3:26 PM
By the by, I’ll be the first to admit that OSX is not a panacea. Both Windows and OSX have their own set of advantages and disadvantages. I’d argue that for the majority of people, the “it just works” nature of Mac/OSX, combined with zero security worries, is a better investment for most people. But that’s just my opinion, and if someone says they prefer Windows for this reason or that, I’m not going to preach hellfire and damnation.
Speaking of advantages, here’s one genuine advantage that Windows will always have over OSX. And remember, it’s a feature, not a bug.
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 4:07 PM
I said: “What non-Apple hardware can I run their OS on? ”
You said: “hardware that is not available for licensing.”
Thanks.
Then you said: “There will always be those for whom “good enough” is preferable to making a change.”
Wouldn’t you say their recent break from their past financially is due simply to the compatibility tie-in between iPods and Mac’s?
pedestrian on August 25, 2007 at 4:22 PM
***OBLIGATORY POST***
LINUX RULES
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on August 25, 2007 at 4:28 PM
Has anyone seen this about Mac vs PC?
kiakjones on August 25, 2007 at 5:38 PM
Ah, yes. Everyone loves a smartass playing semantics pattycake.
My original reference to proprietary hardware was in a response to a commenter who was recycling old FUD about Apple using proprietary components in their products.
So now you’re whining that Apple won’t license its hardware. Yawn. In other words, you want Apple, who gets 95% of their revenue from hardware sales, to slice their own throat by eliminating one of their largest competitive advantages — namely, their tight hardware/software integration. Yeah, that makes sense. Tell you what: go to an Apple shareholder meeting and repeat that suggestion. I’ll start a pool on how long you remain in one piece.
Perhaps it had escaped your attention that iPods and iTunes software work just as well for Windows users?
Not that I’m arguing against the existence of the halo effect. But there’s no reason for anyone to switch to a Mac just because they want to use an iPod. Conventional wisdom is that iPods (and Apple retail stores) are exposing people to Apple’s design philosophy, and making them realize that there is something else out there to choose from besides “good enough.” At that point, Apple’s products sell themselves.
It’s still certainly possible for Apple to shoot themselves in the foot with more stupid business decisions, and MS to ultimately reign supreme. But it’s Apple’s game to lose. I’d hate to be an MS investor right now.
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 5:51 PM
There are lots of fun parodies of the “I’m a Mac” commercials.
The interesting thing is, John Hodgman (aka “PC”) is by far the best part of Apple’s commercials. Justin Long (”Mac”) has the boring parts and comes off pretty flat. If Apple’s ad agency was intending to make “Mac” likable, they failed miserably. Whatever their actual goal, they succeeded in making commercials that people remember. A few of them are pretty darn funny, most are okay, and a few are just plain lame.
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 6:27 PM
No matter what people might think; Apple can out market anyone. They could sell Ice makers to Eskimos. If Apple made turd sandwiches people would want to eat them.
liquidflorian on August 25, 2007 at 7:07 PM
Oh, Splashman, you missed the best one of them all!
kiakjones on August 25, 2007 at 7:20 PM
Already seen it. Yep, that’s a great one. Right on the money.
Splashman on August 25, 2007 at 8:36 PM
Is that the Apple that stole their polish from the Beatles?
I’m waiting for the uPhone.
It answers for you.
profitsbeard on August 26, 2007 at 1:41 AM
God let it go man! Like the Apple commercials your convinced that those of us who won’t move to the Mac are just “slow or scared”. Well you seem just as ignorant to the fact that there are many industries that Macs simply suck at – such as CAD, FEA, IA, etc. Back in the old days while folks like you were beating off in front of their Apples, the PC world developed software and hardware that moved data and not just make a pretty graphic pictures. This forever relinquished Macs to be considered too useless from a serious computational (engineering, science, accounting, etc.) standpoint in a world where “good enough” meant accuracy with math precision. Macs were just to slow to be useful… but hey they sure were pretty!
And with regards to Windows crashes… Windows XP is as stable as any Mac OS…. most of the BSD was back in Win2K and earlier OS’s. Also 99% of these issues were with people who bough B grade equipment – which Apple won’t allow. If you own a eMachine PC chances are there’s a reason it’s crashing – they use crap components and inferior design. And as you point out Apple has great Hardware/Software control… that I’ll give them. But if you run a Top Brand PC you don’t have any issues. In my business I have dozens of PCs networked and running 24/7 for years with very few problems… and a lot of these machines are cutting edge for high end CAD and FEA.
So splash calm down, we all know how much smarter you are to let Steve Jobs tell you how to use a Computer. Remember that second Mouse button is soooo PC and dangerous. You might actually learn to do more “real” work! actually
Bob on August 26, 2007 at 7:09 AM
Mactards have to continually reassure themselves that Apple products are so much better than anything else out there. Everyone else just knows Apple sucks. My Zen beats the iPod, my computer beats the iMac, and if I had a cell phone, I can assure you it would be better than an iPhone.
What’s next Apple? The iToaster? If Apple made a toaster, it would probably only work for one brand of bread, and only wheat bread at that. You’d have to send the toaster back to Apple so their crack team of technicians could clean the crumbs out. You’d pay $50 more than any toaster like it (or in some cases, better than it). You have a choice of white, black, or any of the
boringtrendy pastel colors available. Then we’d have to endure the torment that is Mac users that want to point out that if MS ever made a toaster, it would never amount to anything. Viola! Another Apple product for millions of lemmings to buy.MaelstromX on August 26, 2007 at 10:29 AM
to quote Udolpho:
liquidflorian on August 26, 2007 at 2:40 PM
They’re only slightly less annoying than the liars that say Macs don’t use proprietary hardware. Even today with Apple’s move to Intel x86, the majority of the hardware inside a Mac chassis is specially made and part of a single-sourced no-bid contract from Apple. Lefties bitch every time Halliburton does the same thing, but have no trouble with the morality of boxing their Mac up, driving to the Apple Store, and paying $200 + labor to Apple for a power supply. If it was a PC, a customer would pay $50 + labor for standardized non-proprietary ATX power supply.
If Bryan Preston was a Mac user, his post on Bioshock would’ve read:
“I’m waiting for Bioshock to come out for my Mac. The game looks great and gets great reviews, but I refuse to buy a PC.”
Macs are great for their intended audience of well-heeled lawyers, website designers, musicians, and artists. For the rest, there are PCs.
Closeted homosexual.
No, I’m kidding. If you’re wanting a PC with Mac-like styling, check out the new thin and light notebooks from Sony and Dell. For a desktop, it’s Alienware. If you want the HDTV media center experience, go with Niveus.
ScottMcC on August 26, 2007 at 3:46 PM
Steve Jobs is still a doofus.
- The Cat
MirCat on August 26, 2007 at 8:09 PM
Great video “Cat”… was that made on MAC?
Bob on August 27, 2007 at 5:10 PM
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