The 13,000-foot skyscraper

posted at 2:11 pm on August 25, 2007 by Allahpundit

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Why?

Zaire67 on August 25, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Why not?

Allahpundit on August 25, 2007 at 2:16 PM

I hear the views from the 937th floor are most impressive.

JammieWearingFool on August 25, 2007 at 2:16 PM

Oddly was into scifi books called “shadowrun” where the Japanese built “Arcologies” that were self contained cities where millions all lived in one gigantic building.

Figures this would show up in Japan first

William Amos on August 25, 2007 at 2:16 PM

Yawn. Looks like something a mildly gifted 15 year old might doodle up.

Freelancer on August 25, 2007 at 2:18 PM

Women, minorities hardest hit.

The Dude Says:
August 20th, 2007 at 11:49 pm

A gargantuan structure like that will only create a Utopian society that is fully dependent on the environment within the structure itself. Not only that, it will also create a huge gap in society, further creating a divide between the poor and the rich. Of course, only the rich can afford to live inside, and I can imagine a vast city of dilapidated buildings surrounding such huge structure, where the poor lives and they can only get jobs at minimum wages serving the utopian society.

JammieWearingFool on August 25, 2007 at 2:19 PM

Why?

Zaire67 on August 25, 2007 at 2:15 PM

That was exactly my first thought too.

And to answer’s AP’s “why not”, I’ll link to my second thought.

I’m not trying to imply a “god will smite you” statement, but I do think there is something worth considering regarding hubris.

mjgreco on August 25, 2007 at 2:22 PM

A skyscraper as Mt. Fuji, huh?

Hmmm. I don’t see the point…. does Japan want to put its entire population in one building? It’s not like their population is actually getting bigger. It’s cute as an idea, but I don’t see that it would be needed for centuries anywhere. Lots of empty space in this world.

meep on August 25, 2007 at 2:24 PM

An Asimov novel?

Seriously. Japan. Ring of fire. Earth quakes.

~nuff said.

locomotivebreath1901 on August 25, 2007 at 2:25 PM

These people are totally taking my ideas. I’m not going to comment further on this issue for fear of showing my hand before I have the ability to make it happen.

Let me just say that the building in this story still won’t be tall enough.

ThackerAgency on August 25, 2007 at 2:27 PM

The greater the size and complexity : The greater potentiality for calamity.

Hell, since I ain’t livin’ in it I say go for it.

TheSitRep on August 25, 2007 at 2:29 PM

Where are the underground cities for the morlocks ?

William Amos on August 25, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Lots of empty space in this world.

meep on August 25, 2007 at 2:24 PM

Not in Japan, cue the wavepool clip. Also, it could be a precursor to how colonization of other planets will take place inside one structure.

The concept of a ‘suspension building’ will have to be used to make buildings much taller than they are now. This project seems to use the frame necessary for such a project that was my ‘brainchild’.

Here again, the ‘why’ is something I’ll keep to myself until such a time as I can benefit from it.

ThackerAgency on August 25, 2007 at 2:35 PM

Alla, you really need to get yourself to Japan. Need any tips?

Halley on August 25, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Ha. I’d need a raise before that!

Allahpundit on August 25, 2007 at 2:40 PM

I would hate to be asleep on the 900th floor when a terrorist attack, earthquake or major fire hits the first. Your security and well being is totally dependent on the many floors below you. The top floors are essentially death traps.

Guardian on August 25, 2007 at 2:45 PM

Hmmm…reminds me a bit of Logan’s Run, with the “city of domes” concept. Wonder if this new structure’s inhabitants would have to go to Carousel once they reach age 30?

Sir Loin on August 25, 2007 at 2:47 PM

AMAZING!

humans rock!

zane on August 25, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Seems like about 0.1% of the people living in there would ever see the Sun except on a video screen. Looks like a giant ant hill to me.

pedestrian on August 25, 2007 at 2:56 PM

I hope the elevators are quick.

Weight of Glory on August 25, 2007 at 3:01 PM

Who would want to live like that? Anyone been to the Opryland Hotel in Nashville? That’s what I’m reminded of when I see that indoor garden surrounded by peoples’ dwellings… The hotel is one thing, you don’t live there… but who would want to live like this? It’s like they’re trying to turn the future in to sci-fi movie future.

And by the way, Tower of Babel anyone?

RightWinged on August 25, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Also, how about something more realistic, actually on the horizon… the space elevator. I’m too lazy to find the most informative link about it at the moment, but you can check out these search results:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=space+elevator&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

RightWinged on August 25, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Zane is right, it’s amazing what people can build. Spacecraft, tunnels, etc. But also agreeing with Guardian, this makes a great target for those who CAN’T build things like this. Nobody in particular, not tryin’ to single anybody out.

Tony737 on August 25, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Niven and Pournelle already did this over 20 years ago in Oath of Fealty.

ScottMcC on August 25, 2007 at 3:06 PM

Man…..I would

not

want to be the plumber in that thing.

Limerick on August 25, 2007 at 3:12 PM

won’t happen, of course. Structural technology is essentially unlimited with regard to the height of buildings that can be built. Taller is often better, in fact, with respect to earthquake forces, though not for wind.

The problem is the three hour commute from the base of the building to anyplace near the top, and the utter lack of useable space on the lower floors if it’s built to western-like codes. The amount of egress space required, combined with the massive footprint of the columns and all the elevator banks, leaves…no liveable space for the first umpteen floors.

The real limits are that and how fast elevators can go without going beyond human comfort levels.

utterly cool, nonetheless.

TexasDan on August 25, 2007 at 3:13 PM

Actually, found some neat info on super fast elevators at this site:
http://www.otis.com/news/newsdetail/0,1368,NID12001_RES1,00.html

From the site: “In addition to the two high-speed Skyway™ elevators that rise at a speed of nine meters per second (1800 feet per minute)”

At 13000 feet it would take a little over 7 mins. ‘Course that is still a long time to be in an elevator. Just imagine some one letting out an SBD, and for the next seven mins. you are treated to an olfactory delight!

Weight of Glory on August 25, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Godzilla could not be reached for comment.

hoser on August 25, 2007 at 3:35 PM

Ha. I’d need a raise before that!

Allahpundit on August 25, 2007 at 2:40 PM

http://www.expedia.com

If you ‘plan’ on going on a trip…you’ll never go. Just go and pay yourself back.

Asher on August 25, 2007 at 3:39 PM

Jetsons, here we come!

frankj on August 25, 2007 at 3:44 PM

If we don’t build it. The terrorists win!

Egfrow on August 25, 2007 at 3:47 PM

But is it Godzilla proof?

EricPWJohnson on August 25, 2007 at 3:49 PM

as a commercial carpenter i love the idea for concept and work reasons.

as a tenant on the upper floors i would require a jettison escape pod with all the fixins because im not taking the stairs in case of emergency.

palefaced on August 25, 2007 at 3:49 PM

At 13000 feet it would take a little over 7 mins. ‘Course that is still a long time to be in an elevator. Just imagine some one letting out an SBD, and for the next seven mins. you are treated to an olfactory delight!

Weight of Glory on August 25, 2007 at 3:21 PM

And heart resuscitation. hope they pad the walls on those rockets, cause it’s not just the old ladies who are gonna feel all whirly.

TexasDan on August 25, 2007 at 3:58 PM

Actually, the Discovery Channel did an Extreme Engineering episode focused on this type of project. Looks like they are seriously considering this structure (City in a Pyramid)
.

MicrobeWarrior on August 25, 2007 at 4:02 PM

Codename: Midgar.

BKennedy on August 25, 2007 at 4:06 PM

cause it’s not just the old ladies who are gonna feel all whirly.

TexasDan on August 25, 2007 at 3:58 PM

Ha!

Weight of Glory on August 25, 2007 at 4:08 PM

Ok. Just looked at the pic. of the bldg. again…and…is it just me or does it look like the old Atari symbol?

http://home.mindspring.com/~ltruchon/atari.jpg

Weight of Glory on August 25, 2007 at 4:11 PM

Build it. Does anyone else wonder where the human imagination has gone in the last 2,000 years. Most of the wonders of the world were build thousands of years ago. There is no structure that has been built in the last 50 -100 years that could inspire the human mind. No awe inducing feat of marvel to capture the human desire to mark their brief journey on this earth. Were have all the dreamers gone?

unseen on August 25, 2007 at 4:23 PM

unseen on August 25, 2007 at 4:23 PM

No, the “wonders of the world” were decided on 2000 years ago. Humanity has accomplish many things of much greater magnitude since then. The people who built those ancient wonders could only dream of building things like the Golden Gate Bridge or the Chunnel. Keep in mind that it was modern Americans who landed on the moon, not ancient Egyptians. Ancient Greece didn’t invent the Internet. Rome couldn’t supply any part of its empire with electricity.
You merely need to open your eyes and look around you. The world is filled with the dreams of lots of people. Most of those dreams happened in the last hundred years or so. They seem mundane to you because you have never been without those amazing accomplishments around you.

Ha We on August 25, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Somewhere in Islam-o-world, a group of swarthy slime-ball fanatic jihadists have already started to formulate a plan to hijack a space shuttle or some other orbital re-entry vehicle and slam it into this thing at something like Mach 20.

My collie says:

Why you ask? — because, of course, the Japanese have somehow insulted Islam (or for no particular reason at all, other than the thing exists, and it clearly shows how backward the world of Islam truly is).

CyberCipher on August 25, 2007 at 4:58 PM

Unseen,

If they build it will you bring a supply of high altitude cookbooks?

Buy Danish on August 25, 2007 at 5:08 PM

A million people housed in a gargantuan steel and concrete building smack dab on top of the ring of fire rife with regularly occuring large deadly earthquakes.

pfffft ahahahahah o.0

SilverStar830 on August 25, 2007 at 5:13 PM

Dude, it’s got everything and robots too!

Kini on August 25, 2007 at 6:12 PM

Why, in a country known for its monster attacks, would someone even try this?

Nonfactor on August 25, 2007 at 6:41 PM

One word. AWESOME.

madne0 on August 25, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Why, in a country known for its monster attacks, would someone even try this?
Nonfactor on August 25, 2007 at 6:41 PM

To create larger targets for larger monsters.

eeyore on August 25, 2007 at 6:57 PM

don’t go past 12,500 feet. The FAA requires pilots to use oxygen above that altitude after 30 min. Hypoxia is a concern for any building that tall.

Gyro on August 25, 2007 at 7:12 PM

“The sky is the limit” for humanity and its capabilities;
“Dump your mile-high-club card”, or “Who needs the mile-high-club?”, to advertise it for housing, and earthquakes and terrorism were mentioned already…

Entelechy on August 25, 2007 at 7:59 PM

Osama raises an eye brow…..

Alden Pyle on August 25, 2007 at 8:36 PM

Osama raises an eye brow…..

Alden Pyle on August 25, 2007 at 8:36 PM

Osama raises HIS eye brow…

JWS on August 25, 2007 at 8:56 PM

Why, in a country known for its monster attacks, would someone even try this?

Nonfactor on August 25, 2007 at 6:41 PM

That is the stupidest comment I’ve ever seen, and insulting to boot. There is no way Godzilla could ever take that thing down…

JWS on August 25, 2007 at 8:59 PM

Well, structurally speaking, if they could create the whole thing out of carbon nanotubes, then it would flex just enough that it wouldn’t be stressed too hard by external forces.

otcconan on August 25, 2007 at 9:26 PM

I hope they actually build it one day. And in the process of construction, they develop some tricks that will make single structures more durable, less expensive, and more livable for the rest of us humans.

The imagination of humanity never fails to amaze me. ;-)

Now, if only we could replicate that in New Mexico and Arizona, I suspect that the natural sunlight could power several of those marvels easily.

itzWicks on August 25, 2007 at 11:32 PM

Ha We on August 25, 2007 at 4:48 PM

I understand all the “wonders” that modern man has built. I respect those things but that is not what I am talking about. All of those things are “to do” something each has a purpose. The golden gate bridge is a bridge, electricity is electricty all have a purpose and were built for that purpose.

What I am talking about is an endevor for the sake of the endover. Mount Rushmore comes to mind but with today’s technology that feat could be easily accomplished.

I’m talking about building something for the sake of building it. To go beyond all of our technology to dream of bigger better things. Something like the Moon mission maybe. Not to improve our lives, not to make our lives easier, not to conquer some human sorrow. Just to go “beyond” our limits to reach for the stars so to speak. The ancients accomplished all of the “wonders” with next to nothing in technology yet some of the wonders still stand to this day. Bush 39 called it a vision thing, sadly I think we are losing our “vision”.

We as a country can not even rebuild the two towers after 6 years. It is still a hole in the ground. I think that more than anything is a symbol of the Bush legacy. And I think that is a symbol of this country’s lack of “vision”

Every generation of America had a vision except ours. The taming of the wilderness, the revolution war, the manifest destiny, the end of slavery, the war to end all wars, the defeat of NAzism, the atomic age, the moon mission, the defeat of communism and then nothing for the next 27 years…except the new world order which is not a vision I and many American share.

All of these things unified us as a nation and with a purpose and all showed that there were no limits to what humans could do. All reached for the stars. We no longer reach for the stars we sit and do not dream.

unseen on August 26, 2007 at 12:04 AM

Some “wonders” I would like to see.

an underwater and underground city
A moon city
an entire mountain face with the words of the founding documents on it ( mount everest comes to mind)
a mars city
flying cars
supersonic personal transportation tubes
fountain of youth in a bottle
breaking the speed of light
creating the Jurassic park for real

some other lesser wonders:

a non liberal movie
a government offical quits due to lack of work
government refunds all taxes for the year because they couldn’t find anything better to do with the money
Liberals migrate South of the border enmass for the winter
Glaciers return to the great lakes
OBL head on a pike in front of the White house

unseen on August 26, 2007 at 12:21 AM

I don’t see why anyone would want to do this. I could see having the TALLest building but 13,000 feet is crazy.

Why don’t they pile up dirt to 80,000 feet and then put a rocket launching pad there. Now THAT would accomplish something.

Mojave Mark on August 26, 2007 at 12:47 AM

Great! As if the tragedy of the first Tower of Babel wasn’t bad enough, we have to go and do it again? I was just beginning to get comfortable in learning Spanish.

Lone Star on August 26, 2007 at 2:20 AM

That is the stupidest comment I’ve ever seen, and insulting to boot. There is no way Godzilla could ever take that thing down…

JWS on August 25, 2007 at 8:59 PM

Yeah, but MechaGodzilla could.

csdeven on August 26, 2007 at 9:07 AM

Watchout for those living past the 1,000 floor. Hypoxia is fun until your done in by oxygen deprivation.

MSGTAS on August 26, 2007 at 9:26 AM

But is it Godzilla proof?

EricPWJohnson on August 25, 2007 at 3:49 PM

Godzilla resistant. Nothing is completely Godzilla proof!

If the Japanese go 13,000 we have to go 15,000. Where do you get all the wood, concrete and steel to build a mountain, anyway? Why not just hollow out Mt. Rainier?

Ordinary1 on August 26, 2007 at 9:32 AM

All that comes to mind is: super-Legionaire’s disease.

Such elephantitus in architecture reminds me of the loopy illustrations in the 1899 H.G. Wells’ novel “When the Sleeper Wakes”. (Envisioning a gigantic Victrola horn as a way to broadcast to the masses, ad absurdum.)

The parachute bills alone would make this folly cost-prohibitive.

profitsbeard on August 26, 2007 at 3:06 PM

Go big or stay home.

Or, in this case, do both!

Merovign on August 26, 2007 at 3:48 PM

Why?

Zaire67 on August 25, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Yeah, the X-Seed 4000 does seem to be a solution in search of a problem.

Kralizec on August 26, 2007 at 8:26 PM

Will Dr. Evil live in the penthouse up there at the top?

Tantor on August 27, 2007 at 12:48 AM

Ok. Just looked at the pic. of the bldg. again…and…is it just me or does it look like the old Atari symbol?

WoG, the Atari logo is a symbolic representation of Mt. Fuji. Yes, the render of the building concept is meant to evoke Fujiyama.

Freelancer on August 27, 2007 at 5:34 AM

Dare mighty things!

“Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those timid spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat”

Ochlan on August 27, 2007 at 10:45 AM