HuffPo genius to Peter Pace: Arrest this man and relieve him of command
posted at 5:11 pm on August 25, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Like Fisk’s embrace of Trutherism in the course of denying he’s embracing Trutherism, this turd’s found a rich vein of “nuance” in calling for a partial military coup. Bush would continue to execute his civilian domestic duties, he assures us; it’s just that he’d presumably have to do so from a brig, after he’s been court-martialed and imprisoned.
An advanced case of BDS here, to be sure, but they’ve been known to happen.
To be crystal clear - I am NOT advocating or inciting you to undertake any illegal act, insurrection, mutiny, putsch or military coup. You are an honorable patriotic man.
I am NOT advocating or inciting you to interfere with any of the civilian duties of the President. That would not be a legal action by you.
However you have the legal responsibility - under Article 134 of the Uniform Code Of Military Justice - to protect the troops under your command by relieving the President of his MILITARY command…
In addition to relieving him of his command as Commander-In-Chief, you also have authority to place the President under MILITARY arrest.
Captain Ed ticks off the various counterarguments — CINC is a constitutional office beyond the reach of the UCMJ, civilian control of the military is kind of a baseline American value, etc. — but this sort of thing is sufficiently beneath contempt that even to address it is to legitimize it by extension. I doubt even Lewis seriously thinks it’s a good idea. It’s just his way of proving his capital-v Virtue to the bottom feeders who haunt HuffPo. “How much do I hate Bush? Thiiiiiiis much.”
Besides, are we sure he wants a miltary officer in charge of the military? Here’s what he says in the comments:
It is an interesting question as to who would then become Commander-In-Chief. I’m not sure that it would be the Vice President. But if it was - the same course of action could be taken if the Vice President acted with “Conduct Unbecoming”
Sounds like he’s lining up Nancy for a new job. Elsewhere today on HuffPo, Scary Larry O’Donnell wonders why it’s okay to fish but not okay to breed vicious dogs for the purpose of letting them tear each apart for sport. Sigh.
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The kool-aid is strong with HuffPo
SilverStar830 on August 25, 2007 at 5:16 PM
What I find odd in reading the comments to the HuffPo’s article requesting this of Pace, is that they actually seem to think Pace is on their side and will go along with it.
Seems odd.
Glenn Reynolds thinks it’s all part of the new urgency on the left as pointed out by Tom Smith
It sure is going to be an entertaining couple of weeks before Sept 11th.
bnelson44 on August 25, 2007 at 5:18 PM
The left is this country has really lost it. Inciting a coup while pretending to say i’m not really inciting it.
mainmann on August 25, 2007 at 5:20 PM
I agree, and they are still trying to reverse the election of 2000.
bnelson44 on August 25, 2007 at 5:21 PM
People who write letters they would never send then post them on a blog are on the same level as the kooks on YouTube that make those serious videos of themselves addressing the President or some other leader. Neither are all that bright.
I blame it on the lack of maps in schools.
lowandslow on August 25, 2007 at 5:24 PM
I am numb. Damn my head hurts from this stuff.
BobK on August 25, 2007 at 5:30 PM
Dear Iowaandslow:
I agree with you.
Sincerely yours,
bnelson44 on August 25, 2007 at 5:31 PM
The way the left talks, you’d think Bush was still running for office.
Kini on August 25, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Martin & Lewis was once a great comedy act.
Martin Lewis is simply comedy.
JammieWearingFool on August 25, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Rove’s got that covered.
It amuses him all these candidates are wasting their time.
JammieWearingFool on August 25, 2007 at 5:40 PM
Hey that is the way all dictatorships start
China
Russia
North Korea
Cuba
Spain
Italy
Now Venezuela
First divide and conquer the mob with Class envy Ala John Edwards, Lenin, Mao.
Follow that up w/ a coup d’état.
The average Huffpo goon is nothing more than a run of the mill Marxist.
His ultimate goal is running up the capital steps to plant the red flag of communism.
He gets a chub just thinking about it.
TheSitRep on August 25, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Entelechy on August 25, 2007 at 5:44 PM
So, let me get this straight: HuffPo is advocating a military coup? I thought they were “pro-democracy?”
In other words, they are simply showing their true colors: The desire for a military dictatorship (with them in charge) under the guise of a “democratically elected” government. Sounds much like–Venezuela? Hmmm.
mojojojo on August 25, 2007 at 5:47 PM
What he hasn’t stopped to internalize is that he’d be among the first to kneel behind a tree, with his head between his knees, kissing his ars good-bye.
Entelechy on August 25, 2007 at 5:47 PM
This just proves that Miss Teen South Carolina is smarter than Martin Lewis.
ReubenJCogburn on August 25, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas….what was that movie?????….can’t remember but it must have been on re-runs in this fella’s local area.
Limerick on August 25, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Martin Lewis wouldn’t make a pimple on a real mans a$$.
leanright on August 25, 2007 at 5:53 PM
Lock me up, I plan on fishing tomorrow.
RightWinged on August 25, 2007 at 5:56 PM
Cool if the left asks the military to remove the president can I ask the military to add lefties to military tribunals ?
Comeone like you wouldnt want to see a traitor like Ted Rall in Gitmo ?
again not advocating anything illegal or immoral just enforcement of sedition laws (heh)
William Amos on August 25, 2007 at 5:57 PM
We knew that Larry O’Donnell was crazy. He’s removed the last shred of doubt.
Entelechy on August 25, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Some of these people boggle the mind. If it weren’t for Iraq the Republicans might be holding 60 seats in the Senate.
BadgerHawk on August 25, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Seven Days in May……that was it……
same plot…….looks like it will be Seven Days in September according to this fella.
Limerick on August 25, 2007 at 6:06 PM
Well when you make the kool-aid with bong water….
These people are off the rail.
Suz on August 25, 2007 at 6:11 PM
This is so way beyond stupid. Of course, I wouldn’t expect anything less coming out of Huffpo.
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GT on August 25, 2007 at 6:16 PM
So is huffington gonna answer that her blog has its few fringe posters like every other site ? (except they are usually the mods on the site like Kos)
William Amos on August 25, 2007 at 6:26 PM
He’s just setting the new low IQ record for American Journalists that others won’t do.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the President is the civilian Commander in Chief and the separation (of office and military) is framed that way in order to avoid the possibility of this denied military coup that this moron is advocating.
He needs to make up our minds, too stupid or military coup? too stupid or military coup?
I’d give him a few minutes before expecting an answer.
Speakup on August 25, 2007 at 6:36 PM
One of the commenters on HuffPo points out that a general can’t remove his command. It doesn’t say a military general. It’s a general or special court martial. That act would require no fewer than 5 generals, apparently.
amerpundit on August 25, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Let me repeat. I am not
a conspiracy theorist,unpatriotic,suffering from BDS.mojowire on August 25, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Honestly Bush doesn’t have a thing to worry about from our Military but Hillary probably does. Remember that they wouldn’t salute her husband when he deplaned from Marine 1 or Air Force 1 so this is just so much BDS pron much like the Penthouse letters.
I love it when the left puts their true thoughts down for all to see. I email the linkys to my middle DEM buddies and ask them if they agree.
Buzzy on August 25, 2007 at 7:42 PM
Useful idiot syndrome plaques HuffPo .
Texyank on August 25, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Here’s something the BDS clan don’t want to get out.
Clinton’s Dirty Little Secret
R D on August 25, 2007 at 8:18 PM
End All War! Unless its against Chimperor McBushitlerBurton!
BKennedy on August 25, 2007 at 8:51 PM
I swear, every time I go that site or some place like it, I come back with a few less brain cells.
PowWow on August 25, 2007 at 9:16 PM
That’s got to be some attention getting ploy to get people to read the blog. Even the dumbest person would know that can’t happen.
jeanie on August 25, 2007 at 9:33 PM
CINC [Commander in Chief] is a constitutional office beyond the reach of the UCMJ — Captain Ed
No doubt about that ! We can safely say that Mr. Martin Lewis’s fundamental understanding of the law is… shall we say… somewhat lacking.
Maxx on August 25, 2007 at 10:45 PM
This guy is a nut, fruitcake, stupid, ect…
He must have absolutely no knowledge of the constitution, military, or any other thing pertaining to the ways of the world.
He is living proof that the world can breed a better idiot.
Tennessee Dave on August 25, 2007 at 11:00 PM
I am NOT suggesting that the military should start offing lefties, I’m simply saying that they should be prepared to engage enemies both foreign and domestic.
Or something like that. :p
MikeZero on August 25, 2007 at 11:37 PM
Proposals such as this are so ludicrous that they concurrently make one gasp and laugh.
Come to think of it a military coup against Clinton might not have been a bad idea–allowing him to perform the things he does well (FORNICATING) and barring him from duties he does not perform competently (EVERYTHING ELSE).
MaiDee on August 25, 2007 at 11:47 PM
What Tigerhawk said.
bnelson44 on August 25, 2007 at 11:55 PM
The HuffPo author suggesting such a thing has such a collosal misunderstanding of the UCMJ and of The Constitution it is appalling to think he is an adult who can vote. Such a display of mind-numbing ignorance should result in the revocation of his right to vote and full time caregiver being appointed to watch this man as I’m afraid he may be too stupid to feed himself.
Faith1 on August 26, 2007 at 12:36 AM
Article 134 of the UCMJ is about adultery.
SoulGlo on August 26, 2007 at 1:10 AM
Reading the article, he starts off talking about USC Title 10, … Article 134. But later he speaks of the UCMJ.
Maxx on August 26, 2007 at 1:26 AM
No not exactly.
From the Air University
“934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.”
Bradky on August 26, 2007 at 1:37 AM
Executive Mansion, Washington, November 21, 1864.
Like then, Let us not now forget the bigger picture. God bless them, every one.
BacaDog on August 26, 2007 at 2:15 AM
I call upon you military to overthrow the president…er my lawyer is telling me I need to say…not really.
What an idiot. How about you lead the charge there chief.
Highrise on August 26, 2007 at 3:14 AM
Dear Martin:
Bush won. Get over it.
Thank you
oakpack on August 26, 2007 at 3:27 AM
Like, fer sure, y’know, there’s like, ya see, this thing, the military, and it’s, ya know, sort of full of soldiers, n’ stuff.
Then, it;s like, there’s this other dude, who’s the president, but, like, really, he’s actually also the boss of the army and all, in terms of being the, like, Commander of chiefs, or something.
So, if, as it were, the guys… and girls, too, don’t get me wrong…were definitely, in the army and the rest, to think, like, that Bush, who’s the chief commander personage, if you will, wasn’t doing his constipational duty in the military things, like, then the army guy could probably, dare I say, place Bush under house arrest, or whatever they do, cause, dude, this George is so out there that it can’t be legal! I mean, it’s no oil for food!
Then, like the army would then be in control. But that’s no good, so the next, other commander person would take over.
In other words, anybody but Bush.
Cause who wants, like Hitler as president in chief? Really!
profitsbeard on August 26, 2007 at 4:20 AM
The late great Chicago news columnist Mike Royko had a special way of describing people like those who wander the ranting and raving corridors of the asylum known as the Huffington Post. He described them as having “wooley caterpillars between their ears”.
pilamaye on August 26, 2007 at 5:40 AM
Martin Lewis has not only committed an open and obvious act of sedition, but he has violated an entire slew of federal criminal statutes. Lewis is calling for the overthrow of the US Constitution by a military coup d’etat. And that is a felony, not an exercise of “free speech.”
The appropriate sections of the US Code that Lewis has violated with his missive are:
18 USC Sec. 2389 Recruiting for service against United States
Sec. 2388. Activities affecting armed forces during war by inciting insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States
Sec. 2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally, by advising, counseling, urging, or in any manner causing or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States
Sec. 2384. Seditious conspiracy
Sec. 2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Lewis, the traitorous retard, should be arrested. ANY CITIZEN, BTW, can physically arrest Martin Lewis and remand him into federal custody upon making any of formal charges listed above.
The United States is at war, and Lewis has abused “freedom of speech” to incite a military coup d’etat.
In addition, Arianna Huffington, as “publisher” of her blog, is eligible for prosecution under Sec. 2384. There is NO SAFE HARBOR for seditious conspiracy.
“When a nation is at war many thing which might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its efforts that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight and no court could regard them as protected by any Constitutional right.” [Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Schenk v. US, 249 US 47, 52 (1919)]
Inciting mutiny qualifies.
georgej on August 26, 2007 at 7:39 AM
what an idoit.
kara26 on August 26, 2007 at 8:14 AM
georgej on August 26, 2007 at 7:39 AM
With all of that said (and thanks btw for posting it), no one in the Justice Department has the gumballs to follow up. And if he was arrested, no judge would touch it. There are just too many ACLU types running around to make it a viable option.
Oops, my cynicism is showing again.
JohnnyD on August 26, 2007 at 9:20 AM
Liberalism is a psychological disorder.
csdeven on August 26, 2007 at 9:33 AM
Hmmm… advocating the Military overthrow of the President of the United States…
Can I call them traitors yet?
Romeo13 on August 26, 2007 at 10:22 AM
While I agree we are engaged in war, the fact is Congress did not and has not formally declared war. Congress only authorized the use of military force, which is not the same as a declaration of war.
I do agree with your other statements. The guy ought to be brought up on charges. However, we all know this isn’t going to happen…
eanax on August 26, 2007 at 10:48 AM
georgej on August 26, 2007 at 7:39 AM
You ought to post this in response to Martin Lewis over at Huff…
doriangrey on August 26, 2007 at 11:06 AM
Oops… someone has earned themselves a visit with the men in dark suits and sunglasses…
elgeneralisimo on August 26, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Yup.
aengus on August 26, 2007 at 12:24 PM
eanax:
it seems to me that there was a declaration of war. it was in that mess where congress wanted to vote on it two separate times so that they could squeeze the political milage out of it.
C
pk on August 26, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Dumbass Lewis forgets that Pace swore an oath to defend the Constitution, which makes clear the civilian control of the military and certainly supercedes the UCMJ. What a maroon.
The Opinionator on August 26, 2007 at 12:42 PM
eanax: “Congress only authorized the use of military force, which is not the same as a declaration of war.”
This is a common misconception. But a congressional authorization to use military force is the same as a declaration of War. See Bas v. Tingy and Talbot v. Seemen.
Other References:
In addition, there are situations where a formal authorization for military force is not even needed. For example, 50 USC 1541, The War Powers Resolution give the President 48 hours to wage war before consulting Congress and can wage war for 60 days without Congressional approval.
Further, the President does not need a declaration of war to respond to either declarations or acts of war committed against the United States. To wit:
In other words, if the President determines that a state of war exists, a formal declaration of war by Congress is not necessary for the country to go to war.
The Treason Lobby, mostly including the far left wing of the Democratic Party, has been trying for decades to hamstring the United States’ ability to wage war. They’ve raised this argument time and time again, to no avail because it is settled law.
georgej on August 26, 2007 at 5:09 PM
I keep thinking that if the left was as confident as they claim to be about 2008, wouldn’t the idiot “impeach Bush, arrest Bush, time for a coup! against Bush” nonsense be a little more muted?
The more I hear about impeachment and coups, the more I sense that the left has started counting the chickens and realized that they have a basket full of eggs, and some of them are broken.
Jaibones on August 26, 2007 at 5:13 PM
Every Friday, my local paper publishes a letter to the editor demanding the Bush be impeached. Apparently, there is or was a “seminar” that is telling the sh*theads to keep pushing the drumbeat of “IMPEACH BUSH!!”
If you don’t think that this demand for impeachment is a coordinated attack upon the President, you need to look again. This is no “spontaneous” or “grass roots” movement but an activity directed by moveon.org and funded by George Soros.
georgej on August 26, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Come on, folks. This is just a simple misunderstanding over at HuffPo. Let me explain:
Libs love islam. They have to spend half of their time, these days, defending islamic control of nations. They are constantly being forced to explain why anyone could expect a muslim society to build a decent society, which always brings up the same answer - Turkey. Every time you talk to a lib about muslims ruling themselves, they always point to Turkey, since that is the closest that the islamic world gets to self-rule with individual liberty.
After a while, they get confused and forget that they are Americans. So, one day, while pouring over the Turkish Constitution they notice that the military is charged with the task of taking over the government whenever they think it necessary and, BINGO!, they see the answer to all their desires right there in the {Turkish} Constitution (libs always have problems understanding which documents apply to which countries). So, they are only calling for what they think is constitutional.
Give them a break. They started doing this, before, with those insanely moronic “no-confidence” votes in Congress that have no meaning in our system. Of course, that’s when libs were obssessed with Europe and thought that they lived in a European system. So, now the libs are stuck on the Turkish system. Give them a few minutes and they’ll find another country to try and emulate.
progressoverpeace on August 26, 2007 at 6:27 PM
In fact, I will predict the libs’ next silly move along these lines:
They will look at France and realize that the French are already into their 5th republic. The libs will think that we are being arrogant by having kept the same republic that we started with and will then call for 3 quick up and down US Republics, so that the French don’t feel so bad about their own pitiful political system(s).
progressoverpeace on August 26, 2007 at 6:34 PM
georgej on August 26, 2007 at 5:09 PM
Great post georgej……
doriangrey on August 26, 2007 at 8:03 PM
Well, by definition, no.
Seditious idiot? Yep!
SouthernDem on August 26, 2007 at 8:19 PM
I wonder what Martin Lewis proposes in case the President were to resist. Or, since we’re just having fun here with a little reductio ad absurdum, let’s even imagine that the President felt just fine about being arrested, but his Secret Service team somehow decided the President was, I don’t know, under threat from men with guns, and they started fighting to protect him. (Help us, Martin! What do we do now?) Taking events back in time a bit, let’s suppose General Pace did announce to his subordinates that he’d decided to send men with guns to try to “arrest” the President, and some of them somehow mistook such a plan for a military coup and organized resistance. (Oh, Martin, Martin! Save us!)
Oh, God, I wonder what advice Martin Lewis would have for the Federal Reserve Board if there was a–completely unforeseeable!–run on the banks after the President was “arrested.” Maybe he’d read the Uniform Code of What to Do in a Blind Financial Panic and then explain to the Fed that “you have the authority” to return the U.S. to the gold standard. That would fix it.
Kralizec on August 26, 2007 at 11:57 PM
What Martin fails to grasp is that the President is an elected official and such not subject to UCMJ. Any attempt by Gen. Pace to relieve the President of command would be an act of treason by Gen. Pace, something Gen. Pace is well aware of. Martin as committed sedition by suggesting the over throw of the official authority of the President of the United States and should be arrested and charged with sedition right alone with anyone over at HuffPo that echoed his sediments.
doriangrey on August 27, 2007 at 12:16 AM
I do not consider Martin’s comments to be sedition. I think that there has to be some judgement made as to the actual effort to implement/foment a true takedown of the government (which he has already backed down on). The freedom of certain speech must be judged by its actual effectiveness - as the “fire in a theater” case shows. It’s okay to yell “fire in a theater” with no one else in it, or if its sparsely attended, since there is no risk in those cases of stampeding - which is the point of the ‘illegality’ of the phrase.
I want a wide swath for my own personal speech, though I think that I should be gradually restricted in this freedom as my speech becomes louder (in terms of effect/range).
Martin made an idiotic statement, which did more to show his lack of familiarity with the US Constitution than anything else.
progressoverpeace on August 27, 2007 at 1:48 PM
Personally, I think it’s a great idea!
Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 27, 2007 at 4:44 PM
I am so pleased with the path the extreme left has taken. Complete fools who’ll never be anything other than hot air. [no pun intended]
Griz on August 27, 2007 at 10:19 PM
i don’t think that lewis understands all of the varioius laws and regulations.
i was in the navy for one hitch. i worked for the navy as a civilian for another 36 years. based on that amount of time i cannot feature a single person in the uniform of the united states of america attacking or trying to take into custody a sitting president.
one thing that has not come up in the last three days is that they could not bear arms in the continental united states in this matter because of the “posse commitatus” act. something that i believe the democrats had a leading role in passing.
then there is this particular one (president). he actually flew single seat jet military aircraft and walked away from every single landing. the military understands the problems that he faced doing that and respect him for it.
its one of those laws of the universe. in this particular endeavoy you mess up and you die, no problem.
none of his detractors seem to have even a single engine private ticket.
C
pk on August 28, 2007 at 12:00 AM
Read the following article and explain who the “treason lobby” is. (hint: look right not left)
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070901faessay86506/william-g-howell-jon-c-pevehouse/when-congress-stops-wars.html
It is a long read but the most interesting passage is:
Bradky on August 28, 2007 at 5:06 AM